Last night featured an unusual double-header, with both Code A and Code S games being played on the same night. Code A was business as usual, with a handful of final round games being played with next season's Code S spots on the line.
However, the Code S matches were something new entirely. The new WCS system has the top six players from the Korean region being invited to the combined season final (along side players from America and Europe), which meant placement matches had to be played to figure out who came in 5th and 6th place. The four quarter-final losers faced off in two important series, with spots at the season finals on the line.
There were two major surprises in the final day of Code A, as two relative newcomers usurped FXO's two established Code S players. First, the ex-TSL Zerg LG-IM_RagnaroK used drop builds to catch FXO.GuMiho with his pants down, taking a surprisingly easily 2 - 0 victory. The sixteen year old Zerg had shown flashes of brilliance since he was on TSL, and he realized his potential by making it to his first Code S/OSL tournament.
FXO took another blow as their ace Leenock fell to CJ's Bbyong. Bbyong had been crushed by Leenock in the GSL in the past, but he looked much improved in HotS as he took a 2 - 0 victory against his much more decorated opponent. All it took was solid macro games from Bbyong, who battered Leenock with marines, medivacs and mines until he earned the GG. Leenock didn't look to be in particularly good form on the day, with his poor lair-phase macro costing him dearly.
The other two matches were toss-ups, and would not have been a big surprise no matter how they ended. In the end, SKT_Rain managed to defeat ByuNPrime 2 - 1, surviving a dangerous SCV-pull timing in game three for a narrow win. In the SKT team-kill match, soO defeated his teammate ParalyzE 2 - 0 in a humorous series where Paralyze made immense mistakes in both games. Paralyze didn't seem fazed by getting crushed in terrible games, however, and was more than happy to perform a ceremony that made it hard to tell he was the loser.
The Zerg duo of Samsung_RorO and LG-IM_KangHo earned fine consolation for their elimination from the GSL, receiving shots at more prize money and valuable WCS points at the WCS Season 1 Finals.
The first series saw GSL champion RorO face the Soul Train conductor SKT_PartinG. Although RorO was thoroughly thrashed by Innovation in the quarter-finals, he showed his ZvP was still up to snuff by taking a 3 - 1 over PartinG. Mass mutalisk-corruptor play was a big part of the series for RorO, as it figured heavily into the two most exciting games of the night. In one game, RorO achieved a throw that was reminiscent of his earlier game in the Proleague against HerO, where his carelessly stacked flyers were wiped by his opponent's splash damage. However, RorO showed that he could be very good at mutalisk micro when needed, as he won a beautiful air vs. ground engagement in the final game of the series. In one of the closest, most exciting ending sequences ever seen in a professional game, RorO managed to win an intense, small-scale engagement of mutalisks against archons and templars to close out the series.
The other series was not quite as exciting, as LG-IM_KangHo won an easy 3 - 0 victory against ST_Bomber. Just like his loss against Symbol in the quarter-finals, Bomber showed great weakness against Zerg's aggressive attacks. A huge ling-bane attack crushed him in the first game, while a horrible lowered-depot blunder cost him the game against Losira's roach rush in game three. To add insult to injury, Bomber even lost in his forte, a macro game on Daybreak. Losira out-bombered Bomber, continually pumping out Zerg units regardless of losses until he was able to swarm over his opponent in the end.
Strengths - Strongest TvZ in the world. - Great macro, micro and multitasking. - Can spike his HPM (hellbats per minute) to 600 in dire situations
Weaknesses - Other Terrans - Has to juggle GSL with carrying STX Soul in Proleague - TL and Artosis both really want to pick him to win, so that can't be good
Ideal Winning Scenario: Wins 4-0 in a one-sided stomp like the entirety of his run so far.
Craziest Winning Scenario: Wins 4-0 in a surprisingly close set. Innovation is not an imaginative man.
Strengths - Great at preparing for long series. - Nydus God: 13-3 when using Nydus Worms in GSL. - Has the entire TSL-Zerg brain trust backing him.
Weaknesses - Playing against Innovation, isn’t that enough?
Ideal Winning Scenario: Somehow, someway wins 4-3. Even a close series of 3-4 would be seen as a miracle considering who he’s playing.
Craziest Winning Scenario: Wins 4-3 only using only Nydus attacks. Mr.Chae cries tears of blood as he gets another ZvZ finals.
Still the Greatest Terran in the World
“...and though Mvp was the last and most valiant defender of the Terran Kingdom, his era was coming to an end. Though already long past broken, he kept his vigil for one year longer than anyone thought possible, but the foul Zerg youth named Life finally cut him down and ended the glorious Terran Kingdom. The Terran was vanquished, Zerg had triumphed. The Zerg era had begun. But from the ashes of defeat would rise a new champion. Reborn under the waters of Yongsan and anointed upun the Korean ladder, Innovation would rise to retake the GSL.” - MajOr 3:16
Three weeks ago I called Innovation the greatest Terran player in the world based solely on his awe inspiring straight up macro play Three weeks later, not much has changed. He crushed his way through the group of death going 4 - 1 , easily stomping Flash and Life into the ground. He crushed the reigning champion Roro 3-0 in the quarter-finals, and he got two Proleague all-kills along the way against EG-TL and CJ Entus. Innovation is on a roll and his momentum has never been stronger. He has risen to a point where his macro play is now so strong that mixing it up actually hurts his chances of winning. All-ins, strategies, gimmicks, tricks, and oddball styles are of no meaning to Innovation. He will play straight up, he will play to the late game and he will just use his superior mechanics to edge out a win every time. And he could very well be the first Terran GSL champion in over a year.
GSL for the majority of its lifetime has been an all Terran affair. While Nestea and MC represented their races well, it has always been a Terran dominated tournament with the most champions and finalists coming from that race. This all changed in 2012 as it became a more even battle with between the three races and for a brief moment it looked like Protoss would have a chance to shine and take up the trophy. Unfortunately for them, DRG slapped Genius around and the entirety of the Protoss race underestimated the willpower of broken man Mvp leaving them with only Seed as their GSL winner. After that came the era of the Zergs as Life, Sniper and Roro would go on to win three GSLs, twice in ZvZ finals.
Going into HotS, this meant that the first tournament of the expansion had a large amount of Zergs, 14 in total. But of those 14, 5 stood above the rest: Life, Leenock, Soulkey, Roro and Symbol. Of them, Innovation has now exterminated 3. He beat Leenock decisively 3-0 at MLG. He beat Life in the Ro16 group of death 2-0. And he beat Roro 3-0 in the Ro8. From the other two races, only four others can match Innovation's skill level. For Protoss there is Parting, Rain and sOs. For Terran, there is Flash. He beat Flash 2 - 1 in the group of death, beat Rain in the deciding match in the Ro32 and Parting was derailed by Soulkey in the ro8. Only two now stand in his way. Symbol here and Soulkey in the finals. This is Innovation’s GSL for the taking.
Symbol, the Nydus God
Among the top Zerg players, Symbol was probably the least likely to make it this far. Life was a 2 time GSL champion and had just won MLG. Leenock was a 2 time MLG Champion and one of the best players to never win the GSL. Soulkey was a consistent Zerg player in the GSL, reaching the ro8 twice, and is one of two aces of the strongest team in Proleague. Roro was the reigning champion of GSL having beaten Symbol to take it. Symbol and Roro had the least amount of time to switch literally playing WoL to the very last second of the expiration date.
In another way, Symbol was the most likely to get this far. Among the Zergs, no one matches him in terms of consistency: Ro8 - Ro8 - Ro16 - Finals - Ro4. Since his debut into Code S, he has reached the playoff bracket 4 times out of 5. The only time he didn’t, he was stuck in a hellhole with Life, Leenock and Soulkey. On top of that Symbol is the best Zerg at reinventing himself. Other Zergs like Life, Roro and Soulkey just focus on their own styles and slowly hone it over time until it becomes a sword that can cut through anything. Symbol is different. One season he loses with his ultralisk queen infestor. The next he just goes broodlord infestor. One season he is all about macro late game zerg. The next he’s busting Zergs and Terrans alike with lings, banes and roaches. Symbol doesn’t care about his style. His only style is victory at any cost. He does not care if it comes to him in a drawn out 50 minute game or a 5 minute bust. So long as he thinks the strategy is the one most likely to gain him victory, he will use it.
But for Symbol, this will be beyond hard. Even ignoring Innovation’s TvZ and just looking at the outside environment. No one expects him to win. Almost no one wants him to. No one from Kespa, no one from ESF, not Mr. Chae, not the casters, and not the fans. Anything to avoid the THIRD ZvZ final in a row. In the entire world, only a handful of people want him to win: CMStorm_Polt, Quantic.Hyun, MVP_Shine, and LG-IM_Ragnarok. Even after the dissolution of TSL, the old team of the Swarm preserved strong camaraderie, sharing strategies, cheering each other on and generally helping each other out whenever they can. And Symbol will need all the help he can get. With the entire world against him and praying for his defeat, Symbol will go into that booth with everyone in the world rooting against him.
By now, even the ladder-focused Innovation must know that all Symbol has done is large roach baneling attacks and nydus attacks against Terrans thus far. The problem for Symbol is that while he can play macro games with the best Terrans in the world, Innovation is on another level. He devastated both Life and Roro in long macro games. But if Symbol sticks to his roach bane bust style then Innovation must at least veer from his preferred builds and play safer than he wants. At the very least, disallowing Innovation from playing his game is a good start for Symbol.
Symbol must find a way to catch Innovation off guard in every games of this series. He must disrupt the plan, strike when Innovation’s guard is down, get ahead in the mental game. If not, then he will have to take a page out of Parting’s book. Back in WoL, Parting believed that he could not win late game against Zerg so he perfected the build we now know as the Soul Train. In Symbol’s case, if he cannot find a way to beat Innovation in a late game, it can be entirely possible that he goes for a nydus bust 7 times in a row. And for any other player that would be ludicrous and suicidal. For Symbol, it could be his only chance. Having gone 13-3 in games with the Nydus, it may be his only weapon he can use to even get a glimmer of victory against the man with the world’s greatest TvZ. The question is, do Zergs have souls?
Overall predictions:
Unless Symbol finds a weakness in Innovation’s play that no one else has yet discovered, this will be a very hard match for him. Innovation is seemingly nearly invincible in this matchup going 16 - 1 so far in HotS, the one loss being a game in PL against Soulkey. This will be by far Symbol’s hardest series to date, and for Innovation it will be business as usual. I can’t see this going any other way except in Innovation’s favor. Unless Innovation has a complete meltdown in his mental state, he should make it out of this series easily.
"In the entire world, only a handful of people want him to win: CMStorm_Polt, Quantic.Hyun, MVP_Shine, and LG-IM_Ragnarok." I found this really funny lol
And by riot, I mean post angrily on a message board that ZvZ is stupid and that we're not going to watch it, but watch it anyways because we have nothing better to do.
I swear when team zergs help their terran buddy prepare for GSL/proleague, they only go macro.. because every terran always goes balls to the balls greed, and then get stomped 9/10 of the games. I hope Innovation doesn't die to stupidty greed like Bomber (and any reason these days) do.
On May 23 2013 06:39 Fionn wrote: If Symbol wins, we riot.
And by riot, I mean post angrily on a message board that ZvZ is stupid and that we're not going to watch it, but watch it anyways because we have nothing better to do.
This GSL must be won by Innovation, I simply can't see anything different. The worst would be if he loses and then the "best Terran player in the world" tittle won't be backed like a lot of users say (comparing it to MVP)
On May 23 2013 06:44 AgentW wrote: When are people going to start to recognize Symbol as one of the best in the world?
Symbol 4-3 Innovation
Yes! Symbol lost 2 (!!!) maps so far. I mean, he didn't have to fight as strong players as Innovation, but Symbol has just been INSANELY good lately and a victory over Innovation might not be the expected result - but I would not consider it a huge upset if it happens.
Symbol has always been incredibly good in ZvT and - even though I don't remember many games of him in that Matchup - as far as I know ZvP as well. The reason he never won a GSL title was his - REALLY bad - ZvZ. But that has changed as well, so there's absolutely no surprise he's in the semi finals imo.
Innovation 4-1. Can't see Symbol winning this. Still, I'm expecting a great series, with lots of nydus play and cool stuff from Innovation. One win will come from a sneaky nydus build.
Ohhh, ParalyzE. Your hair and propensity for hilarious gif-worthy ceremonies more than makes up for any (horrendous) mistakes you might make.
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Fantastic article again, guys. I'm going to go on a limb and say Innovation 4-3 Symbol. Symbol's ZvT is on a tear, so I think he'll make it a much closer series than people are expecting. But still... its Innovation.
Then Flash will dethrone him, just like Flash put a dozen other upstarts in their place when they looked like the new big thing. Bogus will share the same fate as ZerO, free, Stork, BeSt, Movie, Bisu, Kal, Leta, Kwanro, and BaBy.
Symbol is very good, no denying that, he is underrated, but InnoVation is..InnoVation, he committed double deicide (sorry life and flash), symbol aint got nothin oh yea and 3-0 v RorO and 4-0 v EGTL aint half bad either
Symbol has beaten Innovation with various roach all-ins in the past, no reason he can't do it again. I like Innovation, but I think it's important to realize that so many things can go wrong for him, Symbol is a very dangerous opponent.
Innovation would probably win most macro games, but I doubt symbol is going to play all macro games. He can easily all in a few wins off innovation who will probably play pretty greedy. If innovation is smart he will play safer then normal getting vision everywhere to watch the nydus and get a tank or two instead of just relying on widow mines. Symbol will nydus or baneling bust at least one game.
>GSL for the majority of its lifetime has been an all Terran affair. While Nestea and MC represented their races well, it has always been a Terran dominated tournament with the most champions and finalists coming from that race.
Actually theres been 8 Zerg GSL wins, 7 Terran GSL wins and 3 Protoss GSL wins.
On May 23 2013 09:04 Misacampo wrote: >GSL for the majority of its lifetime has been an all Terran affair. While Nestea and MC represented their races well, it has always been a Terran dominated tournament with the most champions and finalists coming from that race.
Actually theres been 8 Zerg GSL wins, 7 Terran GSL wins and 3 Protoss GSL wins.
Zerg has won more GSL than terran has.
I think the number of finalists still goes to T though, and Protoss still sucks lol
If we're looking at recent results I'd say Innovation 4-0 or 4-1. Symbol is great and underrated but Innovation is freaking unstoppable right now. As long as he scouts well and prepares for Symbol I don't see Mr. Zergie standing a chance.
Maybe I just want an epic TvZ finals. Meh. I hope Inno takes it so I can be happy. xD
Lol at all the people thinking Innovation will face his buisness at usual. If symbol isn't stupid/overconfident, he will prepare a different all-in for each map (if you look in the GSL matches I think you can find 7 differents that worked well, ragnarok added 2 more yersterday), maybe 1 or 2 macro build in the middle (with weird timings, like soulkey) to not be too predictable. I honnestly don't know why Innvation don't get more cheesed, but symbol will maybe show us he's a god at defending all-ins
I really really hope Innovation wins. I can't imagine another damn ZvZ finals.
Still, I think Innovation does have this one pretty easily. The last time I've seen someone so dominant in TvZ was MMA, but even he was susceptible to early cheeses. With the widow mines and speed boost, it's going to be very hard to see Innovation lose this, unless he gets sick on match day or something (god forbid).
Plus, seeing this guy kill Zergs is so cathartic after Wings of Liberty.
Inovation 2-0 No that is not an error. halfway through the 3rd game, Symbols brain will explode, but the reffs, wont call it a game to inovation, just disqualify symbol.
On May 23 2013 06:39 Fionn wrote: If Symbol wins, we riot.
And by riot, I mean post angrily on a message board that ZvZ is stupid and that we're not going to watch it, but watch it anyways because we have nothing better to do.
On May 23 2013 06:39 Fionn wrote: If Symbol wins, we riot.
And by riot, I mean post angrily on a message board that ZvZ is stupid and that we're not going to watch it, but watch it anyways because we have nothing better to do.
Man, I'm so scared because every time I think my chosen champion for the season has it, they tank. The last man I backed all the way to win it from pool play was MVP's title last year over Squirtle.
Still, like others have said, Innovation has to make Major mistakes (I'm so sorry for that, btw) in order to lose this series. If the combined power of Life, Roro, Flash, and Parting cannot stop him, I really don't see Symbol doing the trick, unless Symbol is way better than I remember him being and Innovation comes out much flatter than he looks in any matchup lately.
Innovation 4-2 Symbol, but the two games Symbol wins will be amazing all-ins that will haunt my ladder nightmares for weeks.
I really really hope Innovation wins. He is so good and deserves it.
But damn, Zerg are so strong. I think they have really figured out HotS faster than other races, and stomping Parting/Bomber so easily kind of shows it.
I wouldn't be surprised if symbol beats him, people keeping mentioning innovation has the best TvZ in the world but symbol's ZvT is insane too, and don't forget....it was Symbol who eliminated innovation in the last GSL
I still don't understand this HPM measurement. How can the numbers be so high? Say you take HPM to mean hellbats per minute. Then a reasonable value would be maybe 1, for 15 hellbats made over 15 minutes. If you use it to mean Hellbats per Mineral, it gets even more confusing. Given that a player mines tens of thousands of minerals in a game and makes less than a hundred hellbats, I don't get how HPM values aren't like .0001 or something.
Innovation over Roro was easy to predict because Roro plays very standard/macro/predictable, and Innovation just doesn't lose TvZ in normal games. That being said, Symbol will definitely try cheeses/allins because that's the only way I see him beating Innovation. Still
On May 23 2013 06:39 Fionn wrote: If Symbol wins, we riot.
And by riot, I mean post angrily on a message board that ZvZ is stupid and that we're not going to watch it, but watch it anyways because we have nothing better to do.
On May 23 2013 06:47 Zenbrez wrote: Last GSL Symbol beat Innovation 3-2, actually. Still hoping for 4-0, I don't want this to be close. Save me the stress and disappointment!
Symbol craziest winning scenario: Cheeses 4 games straight, wins in 15 minutes or less each game, Artosis flips the casters desk in disgust.
Innovation is at least a Terran who's living up to the hype (unlike that other one), so it'll be nice to see him progress. People are still underestimating Symbol though. He's shown he's far more than a 'patch Zerg'. Given his GSL consistency, and the fact that he knocked out Innovation last time, I think it'll be close.
On May 23 2013 06:39 Fionn wrote: If Symbol wins, we riot.
And by riot, I mean post angrily on a message board that ZvZ is stupid and that we're not going to watch it, but watch it anyways because we have nothing better to do.
On May 23 2013 13:36 BoxingKangaroo wrote: Symbol craziest winning scenario: Cheeses 4 games straight, wins in 15 minutes or less each game, Artosis flips the casters desk in disgust.
This made me LOL so much I think I just woke up several dead men.. :D Symbol must die! (ingame) go go Terran!
On May 23 2013 06:39 Fionn wrote: If Symbol wins, we riot.
And by riot, I mean post angrily on a message board that ZvZ is stupid and that we're not going to watch it, but watch it anyways because we have nothing better to do.
oh by riot I thought you meant play LoL...
It's the first thing you think of when you see Fionn nowadays.
On May 23 2013 06:39 Fionn wrote: If Symbol wins, we riot.
And by riot, I mean post angrily on a message board that ZvZ is stupid and that we're not going to watch it, but watch it anyways because we have nothing better to do.
Damn, this sums it up. :D
No, I really hope INnoVation wins. A man with that multitasking has to win!
On May 23 2013 06:39 Fionn wrote: If Symbol wins, we riot.
And by riot, I mean post angrily on a message board that ZvZ is stupid and that we're not going to watch it, but watch it anyways because we have nothing better to do.
He must disrupt the plan, strike when Innovation’s guard is down, get ahead in the mental game. If not, then he will have to take a page out of Parting’s back.
Symbol was so lucky that he had to face only 1 KESPA player on his way to this match. Both of his 2 groups in the group stage had only one KESPA player each. Symbol had to play (and won, I will grant him that) against Soo only once. He should have been eliminated out of this tournament right in the first group stage if that group had had 2 KESPA players. Oh well unforunately for him there are so much ESF players left in the tournament to face him until now. The Ro4 has 3 KESPA so he inevitably has to play one. And his road will end here. Next season the GSL will have more than around 70% KESPA (so far). He will, hopefully, be put into his place along side with his lucky (not anymore) ESF friends. If the groups don't put too much KESPA players together I predict a full KESPA Ro16 (2nd group stage) next season. At least this time ESF will have 2 candidates out of 6 going to WCS, so lucky for them. I am still bitter that Roro had to play Parting. At least they should have done the double-elimination group style to decide the 5-6th placement. In that case, there would be 5 KESPA in top 6 without a doubt.
...and though Mvp was the last and most valiant defender of the Terran Kingdom, his era was coming to an end. Though already long past broken, he kept his vigil for one year longer than anyone thought possible, but the foul Zerg youth named Life finally cut him down and ended the glorious Terran Kingdom. The Terran was vanquished, Zerg had triumphed. The Zerg era had begun. But from the ashes of defeat would rise a new champion. Reborn under the waters of Yongsan and anointed upun the Korean ladder, Innovation would rise to retake the GSL.” - MajOr 3:16
LOVE IT LOVE IT LOVE IT!!!!
I never thought anybody's TvZ could be better than LIFE's ZvT. A man of Mvp's experience saw a little window trying blue flame hellions and even that was in vain eventually...
Last game Innovation built proxy rax that got scouted by Roro before the first marine came out, and still was able to put pressure. He went for hellbat drops against a roach bane all in which is one of the best counters known to man vs hellbat drops... And after losing 80% of his workers still made it work...
Who the hell is this guy?? and how is he soooo fuckin good ??
poor symbol, looking like one of the kongs of sc2, hopefully he'll get a championship some day... but it won't be this time. 4-2 innovation over symbol (both symbol wins with a nydus ofc), 4-1 innovation over soulkey, ushering in a returning age of terrran roflstomping.
On May 23 2013 12:42 slowbacontron wrote: I still don't understand this HPM measurement. How can the numbers be so high? Say you take HPM to mean hellbats per minute. Then a reasonable value would be maybe 1, for 15 hellbats made over 15 minutes. If you use it to mean Hellbats per Mineral, it gets even more confusing. Given that a player mines tens of thousands of minerals in a game and makes less than a hundred hellbats, I don't get how HPM values aren't like .0001 or something.
On May 23 2013 15:55 chisuri wrote: Symbol was so lucky that he had to face only 1 KESPA player on his way to this match. Both of his 2 groups in the group stage had only one KESPA player each. Symbol had to play (and won, I will grant him that) against Soo only once. He should have been eliminated out of this tournament right in the first group stage if that group had had 2 KESPA players. Oh well unforunately for him there are so much ESF players left in the tournament to face him until now. The Ro4 has 3 KESPA so he inevitably has to play one. And his road will end here. Next season the GSL will have more than around 70% KESPA (so far). He will, hopefully, be put into his place along side with his lucky (not anymore) ESF friends. If the groups don't put too much KESPA players together I predict a full KESPA Ro16 (2nd group stage) next season. At least this time ESF will have 2 candidates out of 6 going to WCS, so lucky for them. I am still bitter that Roro had to play Parting. At least they should have done the double-elimination group style to decide the 5-6th placement. In that case, there would be 5 KESPA in top 6 without a doubt.
On May 23 2013 12:42 slowbacontron wrote: I still don't understand this HPM measurement. How can the numbers be so high? Say you take HPM to mean hellbats per minute. Then a reasonable value would be maybe 1, for 15 hellbats made over 15 minutes. If you use it to mean Hellbats per Mineral, it gets even more confusing. Given that a player mines tens of thousands of minerals in a game and makes less than a hundred hellbats, I don't get how HPM values aren't like .0001 or something.
are you by any chance Romanian?
I just get disoriented when people bring up HPM and then say values like 300 or 600, the joke doesn't work if it makes no sense.
On May 22 2013 10:40 Emzeeshady wrote: Terran players are stubborn so I think Symbol takes a few games before Innovation figures out he needs to build units before 8 minutes. 4-2 Innovation
I stand by this
Yes, Terran players are stubborn, that's why they're the FotM race. Zergs are the stubborn ones. The game doesn't go their way, QQ until the game breaks in their favor. Still not winning 100% of their matches outside of ZvZ, QQ some more about non-existent OPs. You go into a BoX with a plan of what you're going to do. It's unlikely that you'll deviate greatly from that because that ruins your chances of winning just the same as doing a build order you and your opponent thoroughly know, if not more.
On May 23 2013 06:43 Sogetsu wrote: This GSL must be won by Innovation, I simply can't see anything different. The worst would be if he loses and then the "best Terran player in the world" tittle won't be backed like a lot of users say (comparing it to MVP)
For the current best Terran player in the world, it's no real doubt it's either INnoVation or Flash. Flash died to INnoVation and INnoVation is making "top Zergs" look like a joke. Advantage: INnoVation (for now). You don't really need a title to prove it if no other Terran wins a title. Being the best Terran/Zerg/Protoss player in the world doesn't guarantee titles if the race is underpowered or the players of that race constantly go up against their worst matchups early and frequently everytime (which was *vZ for everyone back in WoL).
On May 23 2013 06:47 Zenbrez wrote: Last GSL Symbol beat Innovation 3-2, actually. Still hoping for 4-0, I don't want this to be close. Save me the stress and disappointment!
Last GSL was also played on WoL. If Symbol barely beat INnoVation on WoL when the game was BLATANTLY imbalanced, imagine how thoroughly Symbol will get stomped in a relatively balanced game like HotS. And while the game it still young (before the Zergs 100% figure out the timings and most efficient defense for everything), the matchup is slightly Terran favored. NOW is the time for Terrans to take back the game and start winning TvZs. 3-4 months from now it'll either be the return of the Zerg Empire or the creation of a Protoss Kingdom. The time of Terrans is not long (at least in pro level play). The Terrans are but rebels in this war, fighting for the last, limited hours of life they have left.
If INnoVation doesn't get revenge and doesn't stomp Symbol 4-0, the game is clearly imbalanced (speaking as your average Zerg player would). In reality, if INnoVation doesn't actually win 4-0, then Symbol did a really good job preparing for the match. All ins or not, all of them have a fairly reasonable response from the Terran if they scout it (pray for lucky scans) and depending on the timing. Zerg rushes have sort of devolved into those stupid timings that Terran used to do back in the day. Though I would say the comparison of situations favors the Zerg since scouting with well-position Overlords is more effective and consistent than praying for a good scan.
Game 1: Ragnarok style Roachdrop catching Inno off guard 1:0 Game 2: Nydusbust 2:0 Game 3: Roachbaneallin 3:0 Game 4-6: Innovation wins in lategame: 3-3 Game 7: Hatch at Innos natural, because Symbol watched Meta with Artosis: Gangnamstudio burns down. TL livethread melts, chat implodes.
On May 23 2013 17:01 Greenei wrote: Here's how it will go:
Game 1: Ragnarok style Roachdrop catching Inno off guard 1:0 Game 2: Nydusbust 2:0 Game 3: Roachbaneallin 3:0 Game 4-6: Innovation wins in lategame: 3-3 Game 7: Hatch at Innos natural, because Symbol watched Meta with Artosis: Gangnamstudio burns down. TL livethread melts, chat implodes.
On May 23 2013 17:01 Greenei wrote: Here's how it will go:
Game 1: Ragnarok style Roachdrop catching Inno off guard 1:0 Game 2: Nydusbust 2:0 Game 3: Roachbaneallin 3:0 Game 4-6: Innovation wins in lategame: 3-3 Game 7: Hatch at Innos natural, because Symbol watched Meta with Artosis: Gangnamstudio burns down. TL livethread melts, chat implodes.
On May 23 2013 17:01 Greenei wrote: Here's how it will go:
Game 1: Ragnarok style Roachdrop catching Inno off guard 1:0 Game 2: Nydusbust 2:0 Game 3: Roachbaneallin 3:0 Game 4-6: Innovation wins in lategame: 3-3 Game 7: Hatch at Innos natural, because Symbol watched Meta with Artosis: Gangnamstudio burns down. TL livethread melts, chat implodes.
Hm... Last year Symbol was considered to be one of THE best late game Zerg with a somewhat weaker early/midgame. He changed his style up by quite a bit, includes some cheese builds, but his late game is probably still insanely good - even though he does not rely on that alone any longer.. Of course late game Zerg vs Innovation is hard, but I don't think Symbol would lose every single one of the macro games. Symbol had some quite impressive late game ZvT's in the past.
I want symbol to lose so badly. From what he's shown us he's just a very lame and gimicky player that relies upon that weird part of zerg where you can randomly all in and take games against better players.
Don't think he can beat Innovation in a macro game though, and in a BO7 I don't think he can get away with cheesing all the time. I really hope I am right, if it's ZvZ finals again I might actually cry.
Honestly I feel this preview (along with everyone else) seriously underestimates Symbol. Symbol beat Innovation last code S by straight-up outplaying him, and he can do it again.
On May 23 2013 06:29 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote: Unless Symbol finds a weakness in Innovation’s play that no one else has yet discovered [...] All-ins, strategies, gimmicks, tricks, and oddball styles are of no meaning to Innovation. He will play straight up, he will play to the late game and he will just use his superior mechanics to edge out a win every time.
He already did, and TL discovered it too. It's called predictability. Innovation does the same thing every game and that can be punished. Symbol read it last time, either catching Innovation off-guard with aggressive all-ins or playing extremely greedy like 3-hatch before pool knowing Innovation won't punish.
Symbol looks stronger than ever. Last GSL in his finalist appearance, he finished with a record of 17-14, barely over 50% and having scraped by in most of his series. This GSL so far, Symbol is 11-2.
That said, Innovation is also looking stronger than ever. In fact, he's looking like he could be the best in the world after he's taken down the best in the world one after another. That's why I still think Innovation will take it, maybe 4-2 or 4-3. But it's a mistake to write off Symbol's chances. It's happened before.
not only alive, but dominating so hard that symbol, one of the best players in the world, is looking like a complete rookie, only games he wins is through cheesing - as expected by most.
so much for all those people saying "stop underestimating symbol/overestimating innovation"
On May 23 2013 17:54 Jerom wrote: I want symbol to lose so badly. From what he's shown us he's just a very lame and gimicky player that relies upon that weird part of zerg where you can randomly all in and take games against better players.
Don't think he can beat Innovation in a macro game though, and in a BO7 I don't think he can get away with cheesing all the time. I really hope I am right, if it's ZvZ finals again I might actually cry.
how long have you been watching symbol play? i'm guessing not long give him some more credit than that lol
On May 22 2013 10:40 Emzeeshady wrote: Terran players are stubborn so I think Symbol takes a few games before Innovation figures out he needs to build units before 8 minutes. 4-2 Innovation
I stand by this
Ooh I remember reading this, we're at the 6th game here, will you be correct?
So good to be correct. Still, I have to admit I underestimated Symbol. I thought he would lose 4 games straigth but he managed to score 2 wins. Great achievement, no wonder he is the best out of ESF players.
the game would have been 4-0 if symbol didnt all in... he managed to get lucky and get two games off then innovation build tanks. tried going for bane/roach and failed.. 4-2. Innovation won.
I believe Symbol deserves a bit more credit then a 1-4 loss. He's just so solid i don't ever see him getting crushed in long series. Though i think Innovation will win it's going to be alot harder for him then it has been so far.
innovasion so nice ... he even let symbol take 2 games before build a tank and destroy his all in damn i cant see soulkey beat him in ANY form ... just ... no chance innovasion is like from another star
On May 23 2013 22:56 DinoMight wrote: Can they please just let Innovation win so Terran gets nerfed? lol.
Seriously, those hellbats really hurt!
with 6 z in top 8 you really want a nerf because the 1 terran ? i dont think it will happen not with z win every tour right now haha i think balance is fine even it sounds i am z bashing, thats just a hobby
On May 23 2013 22:56 DinoMight wrote: Can they please just let Innovation win so Terran gets nerfed? lol.
Seriously, those hellbats really hurt!
pretty sure blizz learned their lesson last time they nerfed something from the results of 1 player in 1 tournament
The funny thing is that I don't believe Innovation made a single hellbat.
Pretty sure of this aswell, a fairly interesting thing to note seems to be that the absolutely best korean Terrans are simply going bio, whereas you have the slightly worse terrans going mech with some hellbats incorporated, vs the euro terrans who are just herpderpsherping along with mass amounts of hellbats throughout the entire game.
On May 23 2013 06:29 TeamLiquid ESPORTS wrote: With the entire world against him and praying for his defeat, Symbol will go into that booth with everyone in the world rooting against him.
Definition of the "world" : it is something that contains everyone that is against Symbol