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[WCS EU] Ro16 - Group C Preview/Group B Recap (S1) - Page 3

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Moka
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada942 Posts
May 16 2013 16:11 GMT
#41
On May 16 2013 20:04 Silvanel wrote:
The only thing embarrassing about Dreamhack tiebreaker rules is that is exposes communitys complete lack of understanding of fair play and how different group play systems work. It was pointed time and time again that the dreamhack system is much more fair than GSL/WCS system, perhaps less entertaining (to some) but more fair.
Its very sad that TL writers spread this misconception.

Also:Go Nerchio!


Can you elaborate on this misconception that TL writers is spreading ? I didn't really watch dreamhack before Ro16 :/ Was it really a coin flip or not?

Thanks to anyone who clarify this.
ヾ(@⌒_⌒@)ノ
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-16 16:28:38
May 16 2013 16:28 GMT
#42
On May 16 2013 23:31 Waxangel wrote:
I do honestly think Nov 2011~July 2012 Stephano could have gotten Ro4 or more in Code S


I would disagree. Stephano does really well in ad hoc tournament performances where opponents just go in and play. If he went to GSL where players have time to prepare, he'd probably get facerolled. If he prepared builds and did research I think he would have stood a chance, but he's too lazy to do that kind of stuff.

Also, MVP is turning into old MC-- you think he's out, then he says JK I'm gonna win a GSL now, sup.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
shz
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Germany2687 Posts
May 16 2013 17:05 GMT
#43
On May 16 2013 19:44 RandyL wrote:
forgive me for my lack of knowledge, but where can i go to watch these games?
and where is infomation located on when these are being played?


You can find streams, results, schedule, and VODs here: http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Portal:2013_WCS
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shz
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Germany2687 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-16 17:08:14
May 16 2013 17:07 GMT
#44
On May 17 2013 01:11 Moka wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2013 20:04 Silvanel wrote:
The only thing embarrassing about Dreamhack tiebreaker rules is that is exposes communitys complete lack of understanding of fair play and how different group play systems work. It was pointed time and time again that the dreamhack system is much more fair than GSL/WCS system, perhaps less entertaining (to some) but more fair.
Its very sad that TL writers spread this misconception.

Also:Go Nerchio!


Can you elaborate on this misconception that TL writers is spreading ? I didn't really watch dreamhack before Ro16 :/ Was it really a coin flip or not?

Thanks to anyone who clarify this.



His point is, that round robin is more fair than dual tournament (like GSL). Not saying that I agree. The coinflip did happen.
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Paragleiber
Profile Joined June 2009
413 Posts
May 16 2013 17:34 GMT
#45
On May 17 2013 00:50 AYSJr wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2013 21:10 opterown wrote:
On May 16 2013 20:54 Derez wrote:
On May 16 2013 20:29 Paragleiber wrote:
"He may have lost to MMA in one GSL final long ago, but he still has three more Code S titles than the ex-SlayerS ace"

Wrong. Mvp only has two more Code S titles than MMA.

It's correct, MMA has 1 GSL title and one blizzcup title.

Mvp has one GSL WC and 3 GSL Code Ss

GSL WC can be considered as a Code S title.


I disagree. That GSL WC had only 16 players (8 of them foreigners) and no group stage. It was not a tournament that can be compared to Code S in my opinion and shouldn't be considered a "real" GSL. I know that Gom does but I don't think that it is right.
http://www.twitter.com/Paragleiber
Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3815 Posts
May 16 2013 17:52 GMT
#46
In any case, Lucifron has some sick online results in HotS


Hey writers, you can use the filter option to better show only online HotS results:
http://aligulac.com/players/50/results/?race=ptzr&nats=all&bo=all&offline=online&game=HotS

In these games, LucifroN is 48–17 (74%) in games and 32–9 (78%) in matches.

Lies, damned lies and statistics: http://aligulac.com
Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3815 Posts
May 16 2013 17:52 GMT
#47
On May 17 2013 02:34 Paragleiber wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2013 00:50 AYSJr wrote:
On May 16 2013 21:10 opterown wrote:
On May 16 2013 20:54 Derez wrote:
On May 16 2013 20:29 Paragleiber wrote:
"He may have lost to MMA in one GSL final long ago, but he still has three more Code S titles than the ex-SlayerS ace"

Wrong. Mvp only has two more Code S titles than MMA.

It's correct, MMA has 1 GSL title and one blizzcup title.

Mvp has one GSL WC and 3 GSL Code Ss

GSL WC can be considered as a Code S title.


I disagree. That GSL WC had only 16 players (8 of them foreigners) and no group stage. It was not a tournament that can be compared to Code S in my opinion and shouldn't be considered a "real" GSL. I know that Gom does but I don't think that it is right.

GOM's opinion > Yours. Sorry mate
Lies, damned lies and statistics: http://aligulac.com
Kabutomaru
Profile Joined March 2011
Bulgaria226 Posts
May 16 2013 18:31 GMT
#48
Pedro Potter The new European Banjo
NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
May 16 2013 20:42 GMT
#49
I want SaSe to go through!
SuperNova - 2015 | SKT1 fan for years | Dear, FlaSh, PartinG, Soulkey, Naniwa
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-16 21:29:52
May 16 2013 21:28 GMT
#50
On May 17 2013 02:52 Grovbolle wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 17 2013 02:34 Paragleiber wrote:
On May 17 2013 00:50 AYSJr wrote:
On May 16 2013 21:10 opterown wrote:
On May 16 2013 20:54 Derez wrote:
On May 16 2013 20:29 Paragleiber wrote:
"He may have lost to MMA in one GSL final long ago, but he still has three more Code S titles than the ex-SlayerS ace"

Wrong. Mvp only has two more Code S titles than MMA.

It's correct, MMA has 1 GSL title and one blizzcup title.

Mvp has one GSL WC and 3 GSL Code Ss

GSL WC can be considered as a Code S title.


I disagree. That GSL WC had only 16 players (8 of them foreigners) and no group stage. It was not a tournament that can be compared to Code S in my opinion and shouldn't be considered a "real" GSL. I know that Gom does but I don't think that it is right.

GOM's opinion > Yours. Sorry mate

It's a GSL but not a Code S

On May 16 2013 20:04 Silvanel wrote:
The only thing embarrassing about Dreamhack tiebreaker rules is that is exposes communitys complete lack of understanding of fair play and how different group play systems work. It was pointed time and time again that the dreamhack system is much more fair than GSL/WCS system, perhaps less entertaining (to some) but more fair.
Its very sad that TL writers spread this misconception.

it's not fair at all! dual tournament >>>> coinflip
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Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
May 16 2013 22:39 GMT
#51
About SaSe :

making it to the Ro16 of DreamHack Stockholm with wins against Nerchio, Jaedong, Goswser, and ForGG along the way


Goswser beat SaSe 2-1 at DreamHack Stockholm but was eliminated because of a worse map score. =]
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
igay
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Australia1178 Posts
May 16 2013 23:46 GMT
#52
On May 16 2013 21:15 Soda-88 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 16 2013 21:03 Artikka wrote:
If someone missed NaNiwa being BM in Group B I made a video!

You're so cool
Also, Mvp stands no chance in this group



Alot you have to learn about mvp my young Padua
MVP <3 MKP <3 DRG <3
ke_ivan
Profile Joined February 2011
Singapore374 Posts
May 17 2013 02:58 GMT
#53
Yup, Mvp, he's just one of those guys who can still take on Life during BL-Infestor, despite a broken wrist. I mean, he's got 3 Code S championships and 2 finalist Code S positions. Nay-sayers have said that Mvp ain't gonna make it but... lol
GaribaldiSC2
Profile Joined March 2013
Spain709 Posts
May 17 2013 12:30 GMT
#54
On May 16 2013 22:44 SayTT wrote:
SaSe > Mvp
Nerchio > Lucifron
SaSe > Nerchio
Mvp > Lucifron
Mvp > Nerchio

SaSe and Mvp advance.

EZPEZ the super overrated Lucifron will not win a single game.


LOL the best prediction ever.Sase so overrated
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