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[WCS EU] Ro16 - Group A Preview (S1)

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May 14th, 2013 10:02 GMT

2013 WCS Europe

WCS Europe Season 1 - Premier League




Ro16: Group A Preview
MMA, ForGG, Strelok, TLO


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Premier League Ro16:
Group A Preview

by Waxangel

Ladies and gentlemen, we are going LIVE. For the Ro16, WCS Europe moves to ESL's studio in cologne, where all the players are gathered to play their games in a much more tense environment. This week will feature the four groups of the Ro16, with the winners not only moving onto the Ro8 (duh) but earning seeds into WCS Europe: Season II. We start off with Group A, featuring...

Group A: (T)ForGG, (T)MMA, (T)Strelok, (Z)TLO

kr (T)Mill.ForGG

In the case of ForGG, we can't help but harp the same old story until he finally wins a big tournament: he's Europe's resident silver surfer. With there being so many more tournaments than there were in Brood War, it's highly unlikely we're ever going to see the equivalent of Yellow in StarCraft II. But for the time being, ForGG is still a member of the Kong Line (perennial second place players), having come agonizingly close to victory at both DreamHack Valencia and ESWC 2012, only to fall just short at the final hurdle.

The problem for ForGG is that his window to win a championship is narrowing, as his relocation to Europe seems to have affected his skills. Yes, he has great natural talent and mechanics, as well as an uncanny ability to grind the ladder forever. However, the EU server is not the KR server (SortOf and NaNiwa will testify to that fact), and we've seen ForGG go from sure-fire title contender in any tournament he enters to one that often gets eliminated by top foreign players. In fact, his latest performance at DreamHack Stockholm saw him go out 0 – 3 from his group as he lost to SaSe, TLO, and Nerchio – not a good sign heading into a group which you could say is at least equal in difficulty.

ForGG is still definitely a strong contender in this tournament, but isn't one of the big favorites. If things click and his condition is good on game days, then he can make a deep run. Hmm, that sounds dangerously like a cliché line we'd give a popular European player... Well, that's no surprise. ForGG's essentially become one of the locals.


kr (T)Acer.MMA

MMA has fallen greatly from his days as the best in the world and the heir to Boxer's legacy, but at least HotS has him trending upward again he spent nearly a year in a long, downward spiral. Getting out of a bad situation on SlayerS was one step, finding a good team environment in the Axiom team house was another. Advancing to the Ro8 of WCS Europe is the next.

Of course, recovering his past glory is many, many more steps away for MMA, if it's possible at all. DreamHack Stockholm taught us that there's different classes even between Koreans, and MMA's performances so far suggest he's leaning toward the 'switching WCS regions wasn't a choice, it was an evacuation' tier. He fell to Feast's early game attacks in the Ro32 in WCS Europe, and he's only been batting around .500 against Koreans in the Acer TeamStory Cup.

Then again, this is still the best we've seen him at for a long time. His TvZ was absolutely abyssal against brood lord-infestor, but it's back to being by far his best match-up in HotS. His TvP is still problematic like it was in WoL, so he will have rely on some bracket luck there. On the whole he is in the upper-half of players in this tournament, and if he can avoid Protoss opponents he is one of the strong favorites to take it all.


ua (T)Na`Vi.Strelok

We've always loved Strelok and his honest demeanor, willingness to elaborate on his thoughts, and his East European accent. However, his play itself was not one we found particularly entertaining in WoL, being close-to-standard without enough to distinguish it. However, HotS Strelok has been quite a pleasure to watch so far, as he plays an interesting, mech-oriented style. We heard someone say "GoOdy 2.0" as a joke, but that couldn't be further from the truth. Yes, strong defense is the backbone of any mech play (except Gumiho's), but Strelok uses plenty of drops and aggressive tactics to keep his games exciting. If for no other reason than the fact he is different from other players, Strelok is someone you should keep an eye out for in this tournament.

There's another reason you should be following Strelok: he cruised through the WCS Europe qualifiers and destroyed his Ro32 group. European stalwarts Ret and ThorZaIN were no match against Strelok, and he went through the group without dropping even a map. Alas, even with such a Ro32 performance Strelok didn't like this Ro16 group draw. He does have a point, as TvT is one of the match-ups where Koreans seem to dominate foreigners hard, with their speed, positioning, and quick decision making frequently proving to be too much. While Strelok has entertained us a lot so far, we're sad to say he's likely to be eliminated at this stage.


de (Z)Liquid`TLO

Although we've most frequently brought up Grubby as the example of slow and steady improvement, we might soon be replacing him with TLO. After a race change and a severe wrist condition effectively took TLO out of the competitive picture, he's been on a rocky upward path since 2012 (Aligulac.com's graph is a great visual representation). While many rushed to yell "patchzerg!" upon seeing TLO's ascent in 2012, he's continued to improve in Heart of the Swarm. His recent Ro16 finish at DreamHack Stockholm wasn't his best result placement wise, but the list of opponents he defeated was very impressive: JYP, ForGG, SaSe, and Nerchio. TLO then continued his good HotS run in WCS Europe, taking out two more big names in Kas and NaNiwa to reach the Ro16.

After long being derided as a big name without the skills to back it up, it's funny to see TLO's name start to be talked about in feared tones by various pros. Possessing strong ZvT and having only that match-up to practice for, TLO has a unique advantage in this group. One thing we have to wonder about is TLO's nerves in such an important tournament. TLO is especially self flagellating about mistakes and poor play in big matches, and for a player who has been around for such a long time, he hasn't actually played on that many big stages. If he can overcome the pressure of the moment, then we're picking him to make it through this group.

Overall Predictions:

There is one thing we have to say about Korean Terrans: No matter how much their other match-ups decline, their TvT always seems to be the last to go. Much like other once-champions such as Mvp or PuMa, MMA and ForGG have preserved their TvT at a very high level compared to their other match-ups. While this means ForGG vs. MMA is a toss-up, it spells disaster for Strelok who can't even luck into a "beat TLO twice" scenario given the bracket.

Looking at the way MMA took care of business against SortOf, it's probably safe to say TLO won't beat him, even with his hyperbolic ZvT chamber training. On the other hand, his chances against ForGG look pretty good, as he already beat him at DH: Stockholm and because ForGG has looked eminently beatable in HotS TvZ. The way these brackets work out...

TLO > ForGG
MMA > Strelok
MMA > TLO
ForGG > Strelok
TLO > ForGG

MMA and TLO advance.


Writers: Waxangel.
Graphics: shiroiusagi.
Editor: Waxangel.
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riyanme
Profile Joined September 2010
Philippines940 Posts
May 14 2013 10:06 GMT
#2
MMA FORGG!
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opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-14 10:21:05
May 14 2013 10:20 GMT
#3
gogo EUROPE time to hold!!

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18548477 - premade LR! someone please get a thread soon
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igay
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
Australia1178 Posts
May 14 2013 10:39 GMT
#4
mma mma mma
MVP <3 MKP <3 DRG <3
EnumaAvalon
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Philippines3613 Posts
May 14 2013 10:48 GMT
#5
MMA! Then I can't be sure. Strelok looks good!
(._.) ( l: ) ( .-. ) ( :l ) (._.) They see me rolling. They hating.
FatBat
Profile Joined May 2011
Germany326 Posts
May 14 2013 10:50 GMT
#6
"didn't call TLO creative, 5/5 stars"
Nice preview, my predictions aswell
"This game went full retard"- Totalbiscuit
NanowaX
Profile Joined January 2012
Germany190 Posts
May 14 2013 11:00 GMT
#7
mma mma mma please!!!!! and tlo
SlayerS MMA GOAT | Maru, MKP, MVP, Byun
FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
May 14 2013 11:03 GMT
#8
MMA/ForGG feels a tad safer. I want to believe in TLO again though. If he makes it through this round I'm sold
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Boucot
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
France15997 Posts
May 14 2013 11:04 GMT
#9
I can't see TLO beating ForGG twice. Park Ji-Soo fighting !
Former SC2 writer for Millenium - twitter.com/Boucot
Grovbolle
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Denmark3813 Posts
May 14 2013 11:16 GMT
#10
The ForGGeddon is imminent. Hide yo Children, Hide yo wife.
Lies, damned lies and statistics: http://aligulac.com
Nightwishone
Profile Joined July 2012
Italy391 Posts
May 14 2013 11:32 GMT
#11
Gogo TLO!!!
TaeJa IS a bonjwa. TLO - Scarlett - Snute - MaNa - HerO - TeamLiquid fighting!
Corsica
Profile Joined February 2011
Ukraine1854 Posts
May 14 2013 11:43 GMT
#12
TLO is last person i see advancing

1)Forgg
2)MMA
3)Strelok
4)TLO

what makes you guys think TLO can beat Forgg in two bo3's?
ClairvoyanceSC2
Profile Joined February 2012
United States758 Posts
May 14 2013 11:45 GMT
#13
On May 14 2013 20:43 Corsica wrote:
TLO is last person i see advancing

1)Forgg
2)MMA
3)Strelok
4)TLO

what makes you guys think TLO can beat Forgg in two bo3's?


Well he did 2-0 ForGG in dreamhack, and is doing pretty well recently.
DavoS
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States4605 Posts
May 14 2013 11:56 GMT
#14
Fingers crossed for you Dario!
"KDA is actually the most useless stat in the game" Aui_2000
Adellund
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Denmark92 Posts
May 14 2013 13:31 GMT
#15
I wish for ForGG and MMA, since I prefer Koreans over Germans and Eastern Europeans.... (yes i hate my own ppl <-- polish heritage!)
If you put RoRo on your anti-team you should be ashamed!
faiza
Profile Joined June 2012
United States451 Posts
May 14 2013 13:34 GMT
#16
I too, enjoy Strelok's Eastern European accent. Gogo TLO and Strelok!
Confuse
Profile Joined October 2009
2238 Posts
May 14 2013 13:42 GMT
#17
predicting TLO over a korean is bold! I like it, I hope he can make it through
If we fear what we do not understand, then why is ignorance bliss?
Pazuzu
Profile Joined July 2011
United States632 Posts
May 14 2013 13:57 GMT
#18
GOGO TLO!!! I'd love to see MMA do well again, i still love his ridiculous multitasking style even if he's not as good as he used to be
"It is because intuition is sometimes right, that we don't know what to do with it"
cheerful
Profile Joined December 2012
78 Posts
May 14 2013 14:06 GMT
#19
gogo koreans!
PerryHooter
Profile Joined September 2012
Sweden268 Posts
May 14 2013 14:07 GMT
#20
TLO first, ForGG second. The TLO I've seen recently is the best TLO I've seen. MMA hasn't impressed me.
Either way it's gonna be an awesome set of matches, with my new favourite casting-archon + apollo. Doesn't get much better.
"The fundamental cause of trouble in the world today is that the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt"
gobbledydook
Profile Joined October 2012
Australia2605 Posts
May 14 2013 14:20 GMT
#21
ForGG is 3rd in Aligulac rating. Can't argue with that.

#ForGGeddon
I am a dirty Protoss bullshit abuser
EvilDet
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany130 Posts
May 14 2013 14:24 GMT
#22
Hoping for TLO and MMA to advance. Go Dario!
Jornada
Profile Joined February 2012
United States223 Posts
May 14 2013 14:27 GMT
#23
TLO will win it all
www.twitch.tv/jornada28 Master Protoss. Follow me on Twitter for SC2 Updates https://twitter.com/#!/elelvlent
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
May 14 2013 15:05 GMT
#24
TLO! TLO! I'm hoping he's got what it takes to advance!
Startale <3, ST_July <3, HongUn <3, Savior <3, Gretorp <3, Nada <3, Rainbow <3, Ret <3, Squirtle <3, Bomber <3
Ace1123
Profile Joined September 2011
Philippines1187 Posts
May 14 2013 15:09 GMT
#25
I want MMA TLO ForGG to advance
ForGG, Mvp, MMA, MarineKing, BoxeR,
Desertfaux
Profile Joined June 2012
Netherlands276 Posts
May 14 2013 15:23 GMT
#26
Strelok & TLO ez mode. I'm looking forward to this one!
Rogue Deck
Bumalate
Profile Joined January 2012
United States33 Posts
May 14 2013 15:35 GMT
#27
Heart says MMA and TLO. But I was never one to bet against Koreans so the head says MMA and ForGG.
Dongraegu <3
DerPerforierer
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany5 Posts
May 14 2013 18:02 GMT
#28
On May 15 2013 00:35 Bumalate wrote:
Heart says MMA and TLO. But I was never one to bet against Koreans so the head says MMA and ForGG.


Heart > head ^^
DinosaurPoop
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
687 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-14 18:48:10
May 14 2013 18:31 GMT
#29
omg TLO vs Strelok game 1 EPIC!
edit: holy--- TLO got out of that group no problem
When cats speak, mice listen.
Radicalness
Profile Joined September 2011
United States271 Posts
May 14 2013 18:52 GMT
#30
Holy TLO and Strelok so far. GG Koreans.
The Devil Terran - The Ambitious Terran - The Towel Terran - The Macro Master Terran - The Tyrant
JuDoSchu
Profile Joined July 2011
12 Posts
May 14 2013 18:58 GMT
#31
TLO has no chance to advance? Yes exactly what i saw today ^^
EZ PZ
Nice games/strategies and gl in the quarterfinals TLO
Flash, Polt, MarineKing, Mvp, GoOdy, Socke, HasuObs
Schandro
Profile Joined May 2011
57 Posts
May 14 2013 19:04 GMT
#32
TLO too good

amazing games
testthewest
Profile Joined October 2011
Germany274 Posts
May 14 2013 19:37 GMT
#33
WoW, underdogs don't fail to impress! TLO wins this group? Just WOW!!
I'm really interested to see, if Babyknight can also continue his upsetting run!
War is not about who is right, but who is left.
Nightwishone
Profile Joined July 2012
Italy391 Posts
May 14 2013 19:53 GMT
#34
TLO is a genius... Stephano's throne is waiting for someone to grab it.
TaeJa IS a bonjwa. TLO - Scarlett - Snute - MaNa - HerO - TeamLiquid fighting!
llIH
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway2147 Posts
May 14 2013 20:32 GMT
#35
MMA must advance!
yudan
Profile Joined January 2013
Australia23 Posts
May 14 2013 23:36 GMT
#36
typo: it should be abysmal rather than abyssal in the article
ke_ivan
Profile Joined February 2011
Singapore374 Posts
May 15 2013 01:21 GMT
#37
TLO's new regimen reaping results. he's more focused now, like MMA. ForGG looks more distracted than ever. Strelok is the wildcard here.
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