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[WCS EU] Ro32 Group C Preview (S1)

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[WCS EU] Ro32 Group C Preview (S1)

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Graphics byshiroiusagi
April 30th, 2013 06:17 GMT

2013 WCS Europe

WCS Europe Season 1 - Premier League



Ro32: Group C Preview
Ret, ThorZaIN, TitaN, Strelok


Brackets and standings on Liquipedia

Premier League Ro32
Group C Preview

by Waxangel



Group C: (Z)Liquid`Ret, (T)Na`Vi.Strelok, (P)RoX.KIS.TitaN, (T)EG.ThorZaIN.RC


The headliner for this group is Evil Geniuses' se (T)EG.ThorZaIN.RC, one of most accomplished and decorated players in all of StarCraft II. Ever since he won TSL3 back in 2011, ThorZaIN has been a mainstay of the international StarCraft scene and has always been one of the best Terrans outside Korea.

HotS has been mixed bag for ThorZaIN so far. On the plus side, he crushed fellow Swedes in the E-Sport SM 2012 April Qualifier with just a single map loss, and even won a tight MLG exhibition match against Creator. However, his performances in major tournaments haven't been so hot, as he was eliminated by Chile's Killer at MLG Winter, and recently failed to defend his DH: Stockholm title as he was eliminated from the Ro32 by Verdi and Stephano. All in all, ThorZaIN still should be considered one of the stronger players in the group, but perhaps not the stand-out favorite like he would have been this time one year ago.

Speaking of players with great resumes who are diminished now, we have nl (Z)Liquid`Ret. Once considered a top two or three foreigner in the world, Ret's stock took an incredible fall in the last few months of 2012. Almost as abruptly, Ret started climbing right back up in 2013, rising back into the upper echelons of European StarCraft in Heart of the Swarm. Ret has yet to return to his pre-collapse levels where he was one of THE best in Europe, but he's still recovered to the level where he has a great chance to advance out of any group with no Koreans. He was excellent at both the IEM World Championship and the ESET UK Masters tournament, crushing all of his European opponents and only losing to Koreans like YoDa and Sting.

Unfortunately there's not much useful recent data to go on for Ret, as he was eliminated from last weekend's DreamHack by a combination of Gumiho and Leenock. Considering that most other European prso would have been eliminated in a group with those opponents, it doesn't really tell us too much about his form immediately before this group.

ua (T)Na`Vi.Strelok may have flown under the radar in different circumstances, but he's created a noticable ruckus coming into this group. European Terran was a race nearing extinction toward the end of WoL, but they've come alive in HotS. Strelok had a particularly remarkable revival, going from being largely out of sight to winning one of the incredibly difficult WCS Europe Qualifiers (wins against finale, PandaTank, and Welmu). On top of that he was part of the highly visible coin-flip disaster at DreamHack Stockholm, tying three times in the Ro64 before finally going through to the Ro32 on a coin-flip. Besides the fact that DreamHack likes stubbornly adhering to an embarassing ruleset, we also learned that Strelok was pretty damn good since he was trading games with Lucifron and YuGiOh to keep tying his group. Though he couldn't keep his momentum up in the Ro32 (losses to Center, Puzzle, and SortOf), he still looks like a strong darkhorse contender in Group C.

While almost everyone else in the WCS system has revealed himself in a major tournament by now,
[image loading] (P)RoX.KIS.TitaN has remained a mystery in HotS. While nearly all of the WCS Europe competitors were at last weekend's DreamHack, for TitaN we still only have online results to go by. So far it's a mixed bag of results that isn't particularly notable: early elimination from MLG's Winter Showdowns, some wins against lesser know European pros, and losses against players like Lowely and ForGG. While TitaN's current skill level remains murky, he at least proved his tournament chops last WCS by making a top 16 run in the world finals. The Russian champion may yet to have shown us his best games in HotS, and he's one to look out for.

Overall outlook and prediction:

While ThorZaIN hasn't been blowing anyone's socks off lately, we still have to respect his skill in a format where he has ample time to prepare for a match. Ever since TSL3 he's shown an ability to prep intelligently for matches, and hopefully he'll bring something more interesting than "hellbat drop as much as possible." Lucifron already stole his thunder by using well prepared Thor all-ins against Happy in Group B, and we'd like nothing more than to see ThorZaIN try to match him.

Titan is another player who we expect to bring some well prepared strategies, as his good balance of standard and all-in strategies saw him go on some strong tournament runs in WoL. We suspect Strelok might be the one who goes for the "hellbat drop as much as possible" strategy, and probably a ton of mech.

We're really curious to see what Ret has prepared for this group. He has had a reputation of preferring macro games to a fault in the past, but the format of WCS Europe almost neccesitates some careful risk-taking and diversification of strategies.

Ret > Strelok
ThorZaIN > TitaN
ThorZaIN > Ret
Strelok > TitaN
Ret > Strelok

ThorZaIN and Ret advance.

Writers: Waxangel.
Graphics: shiroiusagi
Editor: Waxangel.
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badeanden
Profile Joined December 2011
Norway56 Posts
April 30 2013 06:43 GMT
#2
I think Thorzain and strelok will advance. If unsure of what player will advance, go with the terrans, they have turbovacs
Snute will be the new Stephano in 2013! Mark my words
Gamegene
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States8308 Posts
April 30 2013 06:50 GMT
#3
Strelok has had such a difficult SC2 career. I really hope he's able to get people talking by showing his high skill level.
Throw on your favorite jacket and you're good to roll. Stroll through the trees and let your miseries go.
aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
April 30 2013 07:02 GMT
#4
On April 30 2013 15:43 badeanden wrote:
I think Thorzain and strelok will advance. If unsure of what player will advance, go with the terrans, they have turbovacs


thorzain won't use boost
can i get my estro logo back pls
Meatloaf
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Spain664 Posts
April 30 2013 07:06 GMT
#5
Undecided between Tzain and Strelok , Think Ret will do it though , EU is his thing to win.

Wunder
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2950 Posts
April 30 2013 07:36 GMT
#6
Hope Thorzain does well!
Writer@joonjoewong
LeLfe
Profile Joined February 2011
France3160 Posts
April 30 2013 07:59 GMT
#7
I believe in TitaN
Writer for Red bull (Fr) and Iron Squid (En/Fr) @ClemLeLfe on twitter
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-30 08:50:55
April 30 2013 08:15 GMT
#8
hope this group can show us good games!

LR thread - [WCS EU] RO32 Group C Premier Season 1 2013 - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=18345570
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Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
April 30 2013 09:10 GMT
#9
I'm cheering for Ret.
Startale <3, ST_July <3, HongUn <3, Savior <3, Gretorp <3, Nada <3, Rainbow <3, Ret <3, Squirtle <3, Bomber <3
Bermuda
Profile Joined October 2010
Belgium411 Posts
April 30 2013 09:15 GMT
#10
I like Thorzain and Strelok but I am always rooting for Ret, no matter what.

Ret fighting !
m0ck
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
4194 Posts
April 30 2013 10:06 GMT
#11
Starve, do you have insight into whether Titan is playing at all?
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-30 10:49:01
April 30 2013 10:24 GMT
#12
I think Strelok and Ret will make it.

On April 30 2013 19:06 m0ck wrote:
Starve, do you have insight into whether Titan is playing at all?

Yes, he's playing, he's #27 on GM ladder and has played ~750 games this season already, but he isn't that good yet imho.

There was a Russian cup a week or two ago where he was in a GSL style group with Dimaga, Strelok and Noname and he lost 1-2 to Strelok and 0-2 to Noname. ( http://goodgame.ru/event/6439/ )

He has been massing games, but I don't know if that's enough, I haven't seen anything promising out of him in HotS. Don't think he's even close to his WoL form.
SneX
Profile Joined June 2012
Sweden377 Posts
April 30 2013 10:52 GMT
#13
Hoping for (T)ThorZaIN but I think (Z)Ret and (T)Strelok will make it out of this even group.
Daswollvieh
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
5553 Posts
April 30 2013 10:52 GMT
#14
I hope ret and Tzain appear in top shape.
wetmustard
Profile Joined July 2011
United States16 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-04-30 11:26:50
April 30 2013 11:25 GMT
#15
Considering that most other European prso would have been eliminated in a group with those opponents, it doesn't really tell us too much about his form immediately before this group.

should be pro

Great write up thanks!
serjeq
Profile Joined May 2010
Russian Federation20 Posts
April 30 2013 12:00 GMT
#16
StarVe, are you Russian? iI'm surprised how much you know about the CIS scene.
Breach_hu
Profile Joined August 2009
Hungary2431 Posts
April 30 2013 12:01 GMT
#17
ret and titan.
Give thanks and praise!
DavoS
Profile Blog Joined October 2012
United States4605 Posts
April 30 2013 12:12 GMT
#18
I think
Ret > strelok
Thorzain > titan
Ret > thorzain
Strelok > titan
Thorzain > strelok

I still don't think Thorzain is even close to where he was while he was playing on mouz, but his TvT is still both crazy and good
"KDA is actually the most useless stat in the game" Aui_2000
BaaL`
Profile Joined May 2010
297 Posts
April 30 2013 12:41 GMT
#19
Gogo Ret!
Thor.Rush
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden702 Posts
April 30 2013 12:46 GMT
#20
I definitely think Strelok's mech TvZ will beat Ret, but we'll see.
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