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On April 11 2013 10:28 Waxangel wrote:
wait so do we give a fuck that tournaments are inviting 75%+ of their players without qualifiers now, or is that soooo last year?
I figure with how truncated their schedule is and with the lack of notice that it is understandable in this particular situation. They also obviously want a minimum number of players from NA in this league and that would be by no means guaranteed with a fair and open qualification stage!
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On April 11 2013 11:13 betaman wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 11:03 Maesy wrote:On April 11 2013 10:49 betaman wrote:
From the Blizzard Q&A "...24 players in each region have been extended invitations to compete in WCS America and WCS Europe based on their performance in past StarCraft II tournaments."
Someone care to explain how someone like Hellykitty get picks ahead of say Taeja, aLive (who won IPL4) and Alicia (who got two 2nd place finishes in MLG tournaments in 2012)? Either players are free to play in whatever region they like or they aren't, the NA invite list makes no sense. Because they're actually looking at the GM ladder like they said they would be? You actually have a fucking problem with somebody playing on America getting picked to play America and then complaining about there not being more Koreans in the WCS America? What the fuck is wrong with people? There should be more names from the top of the GM ladder on this list. This isn't a popularity contest. This is what this was meant to be for. Demuslim is GM #1 in NA so they clearly arent using GM ladder very well...From the Q&A they said the invites would be base on their performance in past SC2 tournaments. I feel regions should be locked by residency but if you dont then you should pick the invites on merit.
I agree with you there. I went through the list once more and now I'm wondering where the fuck ROOTPuck is. This entire thing is so silly.
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and yet I see half of these invites are not top tier players..but i guess na is a limited field
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On April 11 2013 11:13 betaman wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 11:03 Maesy wrote:On April 11 2013 10:49 betaman wrote:
From the Blizzard Q&A "...24 players in each region have been extended invitations to compete in WCS America and WCS Europe based on their performance in past StarCraft II tournaments."
Someone care to explain how someone like Hellykitty get picks ahead of say Taeja, aLive (who won IPL4) and Alicia (who got two 2nd place finishes in MLG tournaments in 2012)? Either players are free to play in whatever region they like or they aren't, the NA invite list makes no sense. Because they're actually looking at the GM ladder like they said they would be? You actually have a fucking problem with somebody playing on America getting picked to play America and then complaining about there not being more Koreans in the WCS America? What the fuck is wrong with people? There should be more names from the top of the GM ladder on this list. This isn't a popularity contest. This is what this was meant to be for. Demuslim is GM #1 in NA so they clearly arent using GM ladder very well...From the Q&A they said the invites would be base on their performance in past SC2 tournaments. I feel regions should be locked by residency but if you dont then you should pick the invites on merit.
Doesn't explain why Theognis was picked over Demuslim then, as i can't recall him having any results.
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The reaction of some people are pretty ridiculous and melodramatic, didn't say everyone was being a whiney bitch, just a select few that are acting like this is a devastating travesty. It's nowhere near perfect, I'm being optimistic about it and I still have concerns about it. The freaking out and negativity about this whole thing though seems crazy to me, I don't understand it.
They're setting up this worldwide complex new fangled system, it's a bit of a clusterfuck now trying to get this thing going and it'll at least take this year, maybe the next for everything to sort itself out naturally, but unless they completely drop the ball, it's got to be good for the game. Just think people should focus on the macro, not the micro, just my humble opinion.
Wish they slipped Jaedong in there somewhere even if it doesn't make much sense.
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On April 11 2013 11:22 AxionSteel wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 11:13 betaman wrote:On April 11 2013 11:03 Maesy wrote:On April 11 2013 10:49 betaman wrote:
From the Blizzard Q&A "...24 players in each region have been extended invitations to compete in WCS America and WCS Europe based on their performance in past StarCraft II tournaments."
Someone care to explain how someone like Hellykitty get picks ahead of say Taeja, aLive (who won IPL4) and Alicia (who got two 2nd place finishes in MLG tournaments in 2012)? Either players are free to play in whatever region they like or they aren't, the NA invite list makes no sense. Because they're actually looking at the GM ladder like they said they would be? You actually have a fucking problem with somebody playing on America getting picked to play America and then complaining about there not being more Koreans in the WCS America? What the fuck is wrong with people? There should be more names from the top of the GM ladder on this list. This isn't a popularity contest. This is what this was meant to be for. Demuslim is GM #1 in NA so they clearly arent using GM ladder very well...From the Q&A they said the invites would be base on their performance in past SC2 tournaments. I feel regions should be locked by residency but if you dont then you should pick the invites on merit. Doesn't explain why Theognis was picked over Demuslim then, as i can't recall him having any results.
I guess because he is American? It would be nice if Blizzard had a modicum of transparency but I guess that is too much to ask for. It would have been far better if everyone had to qualify for the first season of EU/NA WCS.
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hi guys, i am hellokitty, a bit of what I know of why i Might be invited.
1. I finished WCS USA #5 last year
2. I finished WCS NA top 24 last year losing to major(runner up WCS NA) and State (top 7 WCS NA)
3. I finished MLG raleigh top 32
Please stop the bandwagon of "INVITE DEMUSLIM QXC AND SASQUATCH" because
1. demuslim is EU, bad part by MLG for failing to notice that.
2. I shit on sasquatch during WCS USA qualifier and WCS USA itself.
3. QXC is a good player but I placed higher than him during WCS USA(might have something to do with it)
thank you very much
Not trying to flame, just calm the fuck down with my name.
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On April 11 2013 10:02 sLideSC2 wrote:
no demuslim? no qxc? no sasquatch??but capoch/hellokitty/maker?
there must be more to this. hell id take fucking avilo over those three, esp the first two.
what the fuck
Your double moral standards are astonishing.
You wanted a regional tournament for NA to help grow the scene there. (NA players getting invites over better Koreans)
But you are angry when players from Mexico (Maker) and Argentinia (Capoch) get invited over better NA players - to help the scene there as well.
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Hmm, I actually think that foreigners have a pretty good shot of winning at least one of the leagues.
Hopes for the best.
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On April 11 2013 11:36 hellokittySC2 wrote:
hi guys, i am hellokitty, a bit of what I know of why i Might be invited.
1. I finished WCS USA #5 last year
2. I finished WCS NA top 24 last year losing to major(runner up WCS NA) and State (top 7 WCS NA)
3. I finished MLG raleigh top 32
Please stop the bandwagon of "INVITE DEMUSLIM QXC AND SASQUATCH" because
1. demuslim is EU, bad part by MLG for failing to notice that.
2. I shit on sasquatch during WCS USA qualifier and WCS USA itself.
3. QXC is a good player but I placed higher than him during WCS USA(might have something to do with it)
thank you very much
Not trying to flame, just calm the fuck down with my name.
I love you comming to defend yourself, And I wish you all the best in WCS, prove them all wrong.
That being said, Demuslim Lives in The US and went through the long process of getting a visa to live here, so classifying him as EU now would just be wrong as he has stated he enjoys where he is and wants to stay here.
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NA is missing Demuslim(obviously said 9000x over) but Leiya and Kane are two that will be sorely missed, especially LeiYa. I guess with limited invites....hard to have everyone win. 
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On April 11 2013 11:41 SMD wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 11:36 hellokittySC2 wrote:
hi guys, i am hellokitty, a bit of what I know of why i Might be invited.
1. I finished WCS USA #5 last year
2. I finished WCS NA top 24 last year losing to major(runner up WCS NA) and State (top 7 WCS NA)
3. I finished MLG raleigh top 32
Please stop the bandwagon of "INVITE DEMUSLIM QXC AND SASQUATCH" because
1. demuslim is EU, bad part by MLG for failing to notice that.
2. I shit on sasquatch during WCS USA qualifier and WCS USA itself.
3. QXC is a good player but I placed higher than him during WCS USA(might have something to do with it)
thank you very much
Not trying to flame, just calm the fuck down with my name. I love you comming to defend yourself, And I wish you all the best in WCS, prove them all wrong. That being said, Demuslim Lives in The US and went through the long process of getting a visa to live here, so classifying him as EU now would just be wrong as he has stated he enjoys where he is and wants to stay here.
yes, i agree, so have him over someone from KOREA would be a better response since i think everyone who lives in the US or NA in general should have a higher priority over foreigners.
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On April 11 2013 11:42 hellokittySC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 11:41 SMD wrote:On April 11 2013 11:36 hellokittySC2 wrote:
hi guys, i am hellokitty, a bit of what I know of why i Might be invited.
1. I finished WCS USA #5 last year
2. I finished WCS NA top 24 last year losing to major(runner up WCS NA) and State (top 7 WCS NA)
3. I finished MLG raleigh top 32
Please stop the bandwagon of "INVITE DEMUSLIM QXC AND SASQUATCH" because
1. demuslim is EU, bad part by MLG for failing to notice that.
2. I shit on sasquatch during WCS USA qualifier and WCS USA itself.
3. QXC is a good player but I placed higher than him during WCS USA(might have something to do with it)
thank you very much
Not trying to flame, just calm the fuck down with my name. I love you comming to defend yourself, And I wish you all the best in WCS, prove them all wrong. That being said, Demuslim Lives in The US and went through the long process of getting a visa to live here, so classifying him as EU now would just be wrong as he has stated he enjoys where he is and wants to stay here. yes, i agree, so have him over someone from KOREA would be a better response since i think everyone who lives in the US or NA in general should have a higher priority over foreigners.
looking forward for you to be matched against idra to beat him badly lol.(that comment few weeks ago on your rep thread) good luck!
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To bad all this shit resulsts in peeps flaming against others players...
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juicyjames
United States3815 Posts
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1c3z8i/wcs_2012_participation_for_na_premier_division/
I've been doing some research on the announced participants of WCS NA Premier as I plan to do in depth coverage of the WCS NA scene. For those of you who are curious or maybe didn't recognize some of the names that were listed (I know failed to recognize a few), I have compiled a quick list detailing each participant's history in WCS, such as it is. - KiLLeR: 1st Chile Nationals; 1st South American Finals; Top 8 Global Finals
- Scarlett: 1st Canada Nationals; 1st North American Finals; Top 16 Global Finals
- IdrA: 4th US Nationals; 3rd North American Finals; Top 16 Global Finals
- Suppy: Top 16 US Nationals; 10th North American Finals; Top 8 Global Finals
- Fenix: 1st Peru Nationals; 2nd South American Finals; Invited to Global Finals
- ViBE: 1st US Nationals; 2nd North American Finals; Invited to Global Finals
- HuK: 10th Canada Nationals; 9th North American Finals; Invited to Global Finals
- Illusion: Top 8 US Nationals; Top 8 North American Finals; Top 16 Global Finals
- Major: 1st Mexico Nationals; 4th North American Finals; Invited to Global Finals
- State: Top 16 US Nationals; Top 6 North American Finals; Invited to Global Finals
- Goswser: Top 16 US Nationals; Top 16 North American Finals
- Hellokitty: Top 8 US Nationals; Top 24 North American Finals
- Minigun: Invited to US Nationals.
- Theognis: Top 16 US Nationals; Top 24 North American Finals
- Capoch: 1st Argentina Nationals; Top 6 South American Finals
- Maker: 2nd Mexico Nationals; Top 24 North American Finals
- Ryung: Did not participate.
- HerO: Top 8 Korean Nationals; 3rd Asian Finals; Top 8 Global Finals
- Violet: Did not participate.
- Polt: Top 12 Korean Nationals
- mOOnGLaDe: 2nd Australian Nationals; 1st Oceania Finals; Invited to Global Finals
- Sen: 1st Taiwan Nationals; Top 12 Asia Finals; 4th Global Finals
- NesTea: Did not qualify.
- Snute: 4th Norway Nationals
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On April 11 2013 11:52 juicyjames wrote:http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1c3z8i/wcs_2012_participation_for_na_premier_division/Show nested quote +I've been doing some research on the announced participants of WCS NA Premier as I plan to do in depth coverage of the WCS NA scene. For those of you who are curious or maybe didn't recognize some of the names that were listed (I know failed to recognize a few), I have compiled a quick list detailing each participant's history in WCS, such as it is. - KiLLeR: 1st Chile Nationals; 1st South American Finals; Top 8 Global Finals
- Scarlett: 1st Canada Nationals; 1st North American Finals; Top 16 Global Finals
- IdrA: 4th US Nationals; 3rd North American Finals; Top 16 Global Finals
- Suppy: Top 16 US Nationals; 10th North American Finals; Top 8 Global Finals
- Fenix: 1st Peru Nationals; 2nd South American Finals; Invited to Global Finals
- ViBE: 1st US Nationals; 2nd North American Finals; Invited to Global Finals
- HuK: 10th Canada Nationals; 9th North American Finals; Invited to Global Finals
- Illusion: Top 8 US Nationals; Top 8 North American Finals; Top 16 Global Finals
- Major: 1st Mexico Nationals; 4th North American Finals; Invited to Global Finals
- State: Top 16 US Nationals; Top 6 North American Finals; Invited to Global Finals
- Goswser: Top 16 US Nationals; Top 16 North American Finals
- Hellokitty: Top 8 US Nationals; Top 24 North American Finals
- Minigun: Invited to US Nationals.
- Theognis: Top 16 US Nationals; Top 24 North American Finals
- Capoch: 1st Argentina Nationals; Top 6 South American Finals
- Maker: 2nd Mexico Nationals; Top 24 North American Finals
- Ryung: Did not participate.
- HerO: Top 8 Korean Nationals; 3rd Asian Finals; Top 8 Global Finals
- Violet: Did not participate.
- Polt: Top 12 Korean Nationals
- mOOnGLaDe: 2nd Australian Nationals; 1st Oceania Finals; Invited to Global Finals
- Sen: 1st Taiwan Nationals; Top 12 Asia Finals; 4th Global Finals
- NesTea: Did not qualify.
- Snute: 4th Norway Nationals
This season doesnt matter. They should communicate next seasons selection proces so players can work on getting qualified
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On April 11 2013 11:52 juicyjames wrote:http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1c3z8i/wcs_2012_participation_for_na_premier_division/Show nested quote +I've been doing some research on the announced participants of WCS NA Premier as I plan to do in depth coverage of the WCS NA scene. For those of you who are curious or maybe didn't recognize some of the names that were listed (I know failed to recognize a few), I have compiled a quick list detailing each participant's history in WCS, such as it is. - KiLLeR: 1st Chile Nationals; 1st South American Finals; Top 8 Global Finals
- Scarlett: 1st Canada Nationals; 1st North American Finals; Top 16 Global Finals
- IdrA: 4th US Nationals; 3rd North American Finals; Top 16 Global Finals
- Suppy: Top 16 US Nationals; 10th North American Finals; Top 8 Global Finals
- Fenix: 1st Peru Nationals; 2nd South American Finals; Invited to Global Finals
- ViBE: 1st US Nationals; 2nd North American Finals; Invited to Global Finals
- HuK: 10th Canada Nationals; 9th North American Finals; Invited to Global Finals
- Illusion: Top 8 US Nationals; Top 8 North American Finals; Top 16 Global Finals
- Major: 1st Mexico Nationals; 4th North American Finals; Invited to Global Finals
- State: Top 16 US Nationals; Top 6 North American Finals; Invited to Global Finals
- Goswser: Top 16 US Nationals; Top 16 North American Finals
- Hellokitty: Top 8 US Nationals; Top 24 North American Finals
- Minigun: Invited to US Nationals.
- Theognis: Top 16 US Nationals; Top 24 North American Finals
- Capoch: 1st Argentina Nationals; Top 6 South American Finals
- Maker: 2nd Mexico Nationals; Top 24 North American Finals
- Ryung: Did not participate.
- HerO: Top 8 Korean Nationals; 3rd Asian Finals; Top 8 Global Finals
- Violet: Did not participate.
- Polt: Top 12 Korean Nationals
- mOOnGLaDe: 2nd Australian Nationals; 1st Oceania Finals; Invited to Global Finals
- Sen: 1st Taiwan Nationals; Top 12 Asia Finals; 4th Global Finals
- NesTea: Did not qualify.
- Snute: 4th Norway Nationals
Thats pretty cool, So maybe it is becasue demuslim didn't do aswell in WCS? And so the koreans were invited over him since they have more accomplishments outside of wcs? :S He made it to WCS EU finals didn't he?
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On April 11 2013 11:55 govie wrote:Show nested quote +On April 11 2013 11:52 juicyjames wrote:http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/1c3z8i/wcs_2012_participation_for_na_premier_division/I've been doing some research on the announced participants of WCS NA Premier as I plan to do in depth coverage of the WCS NA scene. For those of you who are curious or maybe didn't recognize some of the names that were listed (I know failed to recognize a few), I have compiled a quick list detailing each participant's history in WCS, such as it is. - KiLLeR: 1st Chile Nationals; 1st South American Finals; Top 8 Global Finals
- Scarlett: 1st Canada Nationals; 1st North American Finals; Top 16 Global Finals
- IdrA: 4th US Nationals; 3rd North American Finals; Top 16 Global Finals
- Suppy: Top 16 US Nationals; 10th North American Finals; Top 8 Global Finals
- Fenix: 1st Peru Nationals; 2nd South American Finals; Invited to Global Finals
- ViBE: 1st US Nationals; 2nd North American Finals; Invited to Global Finals
- HuK: 10th Canada Nationals; 9th North American Finals; Invited to Global Finals
- Illusion: Top 8 US Nationals; Top 8 North American Finals; Top 16 Global Finals
- Major: 1st Mexico Nationals; 4th North American Finals; Invited to Global Finals
- State: Top 16 US Nationals; Top 6 North American Finals; Invited to Global Finals
- Goswser: Top 16 US Nationals; Top 16 North American Finals
- Hellokitty: Top 8 US Nationals; Top 24 North American Finals
- Minigun: Invited to US Nationals.
- Theognis: Top 16 US Nationals; Top 24 North American Finals
- Capoch: 1st Argentina Nationals; Top 6 South American Finals
- Maker: 2nd Mexico Nationals; Top 24 North American Finals
- Ryung: Did not participate.
- HerO: Top 8 Korean Nationals; 3rd Asian Finals; Top 8 Global Finals
- Violet: Did not participate.
- Polt: Top 12 Korean Nationals
- mOOnGLaDe: 2nd Australian Nationals; 1st Oceania Finals; Invited to Global Finals
- Sen: 1st Taiwan Nationals; Top 12 Asia Finals; 4th Global Finals
- NesTea: Did not qualify.
- Snute: 4th Norway Nationals
This season doesnt matter. They should communicate next seasons selection proces so players can work on getting qualified
But this season does matter, because to get into premier you have to go through challenger and beat somebody in premier, not to mention the money/potential lost by not being invite. And apparently people can switch regions next season, with lots of koreans choosing NA.... making the challenger division very difficult.
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United States97274 Posts
It'll be interesting to see how this all pans out. Not quite sure what to think for WCS overall.
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