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[GSL] Up/Down Matches: Group A & B Preview (S2)

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[GSL] Up/Down Matches: Group A & B Preview (S2)

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March 3rd, 2013 19:09 GMT

PvZ

Up/Down Day 1 Preview



Up/Down Group A Preview
MKP, Stephano, Lure, Trust, Yonghwa


Up/Down Group B Preview
Effort, Creator, Ryung, Killer, Shine, Center


Up/Downs on Liquipedia

Group A Preview

by: Waxangel

Games at 02:30 GMT (+00:00)
*Matches played in Wings of Liberty


#5: (P)CJ_Trust

What do we really know about Trust? He's a CJ trainee who played well to defeat Genius in a Code A PvP series, and went on to get crushed by YoDa in the next round. You couldn't be blamed for thinking he's going to be another Ssak, Haruhi, or Rare – a KeSPA benchwarmer who fought hard to make it into Code A, but was unable to survive when the competition rose a level. While it would be a refreshing twist if Trust shocked everyone tonight, made Code S, and turned up on CJ Entus' first team roster in the Proleague, it's extremely unlikely that it will happen.


#4: (P)MVP.Lure

Code S Season 2 Players

Season 1 Top Eight
(P)PartinG, (P)MC, (T)INnoVation
(T)TaeJa, (Z)Symbol, (Z)Curious
(Z)Soulkey, (Z)RorO

Code A Winners (12)
(P)Squirtle, (P)sOs, (T)Bomber
(T)YoDa, (T)GuMiho, (T)Flash
(Z)DongRaeGu, (Z)Leenock, (Z)HyuN
(Z)LosirA, (Z)Life, (Z)TRUE

Up/Down Winners (0/10)
TBD

Undetermined (0/2)
TBD
After knocking out fan favorites Jaedong and Effort, Lure's PvZ rampage through Code A was finally stopped in the final round by his teammate DongRaeGu. In the Up/Downs, we'll finally get to see Lure play some other match-ups, and find out if he's a rising prospect who could make a splash in Code S or just a PvZ specialist with penchant for bringing unusual strategies.

Bo1 PvP's being what they are, Lure definitely has a puncher's chance in this group. He's proved he can prepare some tricky builds for PvZ (even including a failed carrier rush), and Stephano already showed his weakness to well prepared opponents in his Ro32 match against Woongjin's Flying. A win against Stephano coupled with some PvP wins through any combination of skill and luck could see Lure cause his biggest upset yet and make it into Code S.


#3: (P)LG-IM_YongHwa

While Yonghwa is far more accomplished than the two other Protoss players in this group, it's still hard to say he's on the same level of contention for a Code S spot as MarineKing or Stephano. For all his achievements in the GSTL and foreign leagues, he's always fallen short of making Code S, losing between Code B and the Up/Downs every single time – even if a debilitating eye infection was to blame for one of his eliminations. Yonghwa might be jinxed, and it feels safe to bet against him making Code S until he finally proves he can break his curse.

That said, this is the best shot he's ever had at making it into Code S. He's lucked into one of the five man groups (as opposed to six), drawn a fairly decent batch of opponents, and gets to play two PvPs, a match-up where he's been on a tear as of late. Now that his hard won IPL6 spot is in danger, YongHwa would seriously regret it if he missed out on this chance as well.


#2: (Z)EG.Stephano.RC

Well, you can't blame Stephano for being unrealistic or arrogant. Time and time again he's said the preparation focused GSL doesn't really fit his style, and so far he's proved himself right with some mediocre GSL results. Fortunately for fans of foreigners everywhere, the Up/Downs should be more to Stephano's liking. Historically, players in the Up/Downs have said they find it difficult to practice extensively for every match, and thus focus the brunt of their practice on the first few matches while deciding on a handful of builds for the rest. That's an environment closer to what Stephano faced at the various international tournaments where he enjoyed so much success.

Also, even with a surprise loss to Flying in Code A, it's not like Stephano has done poorly in Korea, earning a 6 - 4 record in Proleague and coming 1 game away from reaching the Code S Ro16. With three Protosses and no Zergs in the group, Stephano's chances of making Code S look alright.

While Yonghwa's weird Code S jinx is one of the reasons I'm taking Stephano ahead of him, the other reason is that Stephano is the player in the group who has the best chance of upsetting the huge favorite in MKP. MKP is an absolute TvP monster (more on that below), but his TvZ is far from that level. From what we've seen of Stephano's ZvTs against Hack and Innovation in Code S, he should be closely matched with MKP.


#1: (T)MarineKingPrime

MarineKing must have been overjoyed after seeing his Up/Down group draw, getting a group with five players instead of six, and one with three Protoss players at that. While MKP's TvZ has suffered ever since the fateful queen patch in May of 2012, his TvP has never stopped being absolutely amazing. The overall plight of Protoss in 2012 meant that MKP didn't get that many chances to face the warriors from Aiur, but when he did, he destroyed them. Since 2012, MarineKing has a near 75% win rate against Protoss players over the course of 200+ games. This is a legendary statistic, comparable with match-ups like Mvp's 2011 TvT or Stephano's ZvP at its Europe-conquering peak.

On the back of TvP alone, MarineKing should be a lock to make it into the next season of Code S. While there is a chance that MKP could lose one of his TvPs and drop his match to Stephano (which could go either way) and then draw the short end of the stick on the head to head tiebreakers, that's a very slim chance indeed.

Group B Preview

by: Zealously

Games at 09:10 GMT (+00:00)

#6: (Z)Samsung_Shine

Shine is in a tough spot in this group. Although he showed very decent play in Code A, taking out both Huk and Fantasy, he was completely and utterly stomped by Squirtle in the Round of 24. Reaching that point is no mean feat, but for me this group is slightly out of range for the Samsung Zerg. With his team mate RorO rising to the occasion and reaching the first Code S final for a KeSPA player, it's certainly possible that Shine has been taught a trick or two, or will bring his best performance yet to kill a few fan favorites in typical Samsung Zerg fashion. This is the player who originally became famous for knocking a full power Bisu out of the OSL, so be warned that he knows and enjoys the taste of fanboy tears.

The biggest problem for Shine in this group is that his two better match-ups – ZvT and ZvZ, both pit him against players that are even better, showing stunning play in the match-up. Effort, like almost all former Brood War champions, excels in the mirror match-up. Ryung got to the semi-finals of Code S in Season 5 and has played some very good TvZ against the likes of DongRaeGu before.

As such, Shine's best chance in this group is taking out the two, arguably weaker players Center and Killer, a task that certainly seems doable. But even if Shine can accomplish that, he will need at least one more win to get out of this group, and two more if he's to be safe from head-to-head records; a tough task in a group like this.


#5: (P)MVP.Killer

Ending up in the Up&Downs is never good news, given its killer format. But for Killer, I feel this group is very doable. He has very decent records in PvT and PvZ (though the latter has brought him mostly losses recently), while his PvP is by far his statistically worst match-up. And luckily for Killer, two of the players in this group are known for their poor ZvP, with both Shine and Effort having sub 50% win rates in the match-up. Ryung is a tough opponent to get past for anyone, but he too is weakest against Protoss (though the last time he played the match-up was in 2012), which makes this group doable, but by no means easy for the MVP Protoss.

Killer's biggest problems, I feel, will be Creator and Center. Creator is obviously a force to be reckoned with in the mirror match-up and, I think, beyond Killer's reach barring a crazy all-in. Center is very formidable against Protoss, as well. This is the guy that knocked Seed out of Code A (twice) and looked fairly good doing so. Though Center is the least heralded player in this group, it seems likely that he will come to the studio with all-ins and clever strategies prepared. He has brought down stronger Protosses than Killer with them before.

All in all, this group is not impossible for Killer. He will need to take out three players, which is tough when you've got Ryung and Creator in your group. Add in Center's TvP, and Killer is in a bit of trouble. Killer is smart, and he has good team mates – hopefully, they have been available recently.


#4: (T)Quantic.Center

Center is in a strange spot in this group. By eliminating Seed once again last season, he has started to gain a reputation as a solid TvP player. But looking at TLPD, his other two match-ups don't look quite as impressive, with a 4-8 TvT record and 4-4 TvZ, where two wins come from beating DeathAngel in the ESV Korean Weekly almost a year ago. The point is, it's hard to say where Center is in terms of skill. Obviously, eliminating Seed (again) is quite an impressive feat, but what about that abysmal TvT record?

While there is an extremely good TvT player in this group in Ryung, he's the only one. So even if Center is terrible in TvT (which I'm not so sure about, considering the amount of time that's passed since most of his losses), and though he'd probably lose to Ryung even if he were awesome at the mirror, it's not the biggest loss in the world.

Ryung aside, Center's in danger with Effort and Creator out for blood. Effort doesn't automatically lose against Terran like he does against Protoss, and Creator is a formidable opponent no matter the match-up. As such, Center's best chances lie in killing off Shine and Killer – which seems very doable, and beating a third player by any means possible. If he cheeses out Ryung, Effort and Creator that's all fine and dandy as long as he wins. But, with the ”Big Three” of this group all being very strong against Terran, I'm putting Center at fourth with little hope barring major upsets.


#3: (T)Ax.Ryung

Ryung was on fire in last season's Code S, getting all the way to the semifinals before being stopped by Sniper. I'm going to go ahead and say that that the loss probably shook the Axiom Terran. Prior to the GSL semifinal, he'd outplayed Flash in one of the greatest TvT's of 2012, beat Marineking convincingly and sent both DRG and Curious out of Code S. After the semifinal loss against Sniper, he has not looked quite the same. He exited Season 1's Code S early after being dominated by Losira twice while only barely beating Byun, and lost 0-2 against Flash in his best match-up to end up in the Up&Downs. Not at all up to the standard which he had set for himself in Code S just a season before.

Make no mistake, Ryung is still a very good player (as evidenced by his insane series against Flash), but he is not the favorite in this group. Center, Shine and Killer are all more or less beatable opponents, where as his game against Effort will probably decide who advances out of this group. Winning an important TvP against Creator is a tall order for anyone, especially for a player like Ryung who has had trouble in the match-up in the past.

If Ryung can bring back his TvZ from late 2012, he will be good enough to beat Effort, probably securing advancement from this group. If not, or if he takes an early loss against the three lower rated players, this group becomes very tough for Ryung, and he'll have to spend a season in Code A.


#2: (Z)CJ_EffOrt

Good news, Effort! There are only (?) two Protoss players in this group, while there are enough Zergs and Terrans for you to (potentially) be fine! All jokes aside, it's difficult to overstate how much trouble Effort has had with ZvP, and it seems very unlikely that he will beat Creator. Killer isn't as scary as the Prime Protoss, though still a tall order considering Effort's recent form in the match-up.

Having Shine in the group is great news for Effort, who boasts excellent ZvZ, a signature trait for Zerg aces on KeSPA teams. Though not quite as impressive as his mirror match-up, Effort's vT is very formidable as well, and it makes him very dangerous for both Center and Ryung. Although both Terrans have respectable records in the match-up, Effort has beaten the likes of Flash and Innovation in Proleague – and if he followed the standard KeSPA-rate of improvement, he will only have gotten better. Effort's greatest enemies in this group will doubtlessly be Creator and Killer; if he can get past them, he should have secured advancement from this group.

Effort does have a history of unconvincing performances in Starcraft II, and so there is a distinct possibility that two losses to Protoss players will snowball out of control and kick him back into Code A on head-to-head records.


#1: (P)CreatorPrime

It seems lady luck has smiled on Creator, just in time for Heart of the Swarm, putting him in a group that is pretty much perfect for him. His Protoss opponent, Killer, has statistically weak PvP and has hardly looked convincing when we've seen him play the mirror recently. Effort and Shine, his two Zerg opponents, have both looked weak (very weak, in Effort's case) against Protoss and don't look like they can do much to threaten the Prime Protoss.

On top of all this, while his two Terran opponents Ryung and Center have looked decent against Protoss, they're just not on Creator's level. Creator has always been known for his brutally effective macro style of PvT, and he's presently on a 9-game winning streak in the match-up against top, top opponents including Mvp, Gumiho and Byun.

In fairness, Creator's games versus Terran were played toward the end of last year, but there is little reason to believe that he has fallen off and could not beat Center and Ryung in a Best of 1. The one thing that could threaten Creator in this group is, as always in the Up&Downs, unprepared scenarios. Everything can happen in this format, and Center in particular looks like a threat to pull an upset after having kicked out Seed not once but twice. The PvP against Killer doesn't look concerning, but it is considered the most volatile match-up in SCII for a reason. Creator is heavily favored against all opponents in this group, but he cannot grow too confident or he might very well fall victim to the terrifying nature of the GSL's most unforgiving format.

Writers: Waxangel and Zealously.
Graphics: Meko.
Editor: Waxangel.
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Zenbrez
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Canada5973 Posts
March 03 2013 19:11 GMT
#2
I'm definitely rooting for Effort, don't know if Stephano is gonna pull through though
Refer to my post.
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Australia54784 Posts
March 03 2013 19:23 GMT
#3
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March 03 2013 19:25 GMT
#4
MarineKing and Stephano in a group where they only have to practice 2 matchups, a majority against their best, would be surprised if they didn't get through, though I would have put Stephano over MarineKing
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Canada200 Posts
March 03 2013 19:39 GMT
#5
MKPMKPMKPMKPMKPMKPMKP
High Diamond/ Low Masters :^)
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United States97276 Posts
March 03 2013 19:40 GMT
#6
I made the thread for Group A but I'll probably need someone to make Group B (normal GSL time 18:10 KST) cause I don't think I can afford to pull an all nighter thanks to school
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March 03 2013 20:05 GMT
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Wax... why would you do this,,,

damn it... I've lost all hope of MKP/Creator advancing now.
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Germany518 Posts
March 03 2013 20:16 GMT
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March 03 2013 20:27 GMT
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Denmark1538 Posts
March 03 2013 20:28 GMT
#10
Didn't Stephano forfeit his Up n' Downs in favor of IEM?
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March 03 2013 20:38 GMT
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On March 04 2013 05:28 Hiea wrote:
Didn't Stephano forfeit his Up n' Downs in favor of IEM?

No.
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March 03 2013 20:40 GMT
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Nice write up. Cheering for MKP, Effort and Ryung. Should be manageable for all of them.
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March 03 2013 20:43 GMT
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Rooting for MKP and Ryung on this one. Though I want Stephano to stop that mediocracy slump he's in. He appears a bit lazy to me.
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March 03 2013 20:46 GMT
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Netherlands290 Posts
March 03 2013 20:58 GMT
#15
Come on MKP! I will be happy if either Yonghwa or Stephano will make it into Code S, giving the edge to Stephano.
Group B is hard to predict besides Creator. Effort and Ryung looked solid this season (to me at least), so I wonder: will this be the day the predictions from TL come true?

Anyway, any combination of MKP and whoever the other 3 will be sufficient.
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Netherlands1220 Posts
March 03 2013 21:28 GMT
#16
i thought that stephano would forfeit his matches, but i was wrong appareantly... well, i do hope he gets top2, woud be nice to see him into HOTS, with timings still to be figured out it might be a better place for him than the last WOL-GSL.
group B is a total curveball, much like A from last season, can go really weird if one match is lost by one of the "big three"
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March 03 2013 21:29 GMT
#17
On March 04 2013 06:28 Koerage wrote:
i thought that stephano would forfeit his matches, but i was wrong appareantly... well, i do hope he gets top2, woud be nice to see him into HOTS, with timings still to be figured out it might be a better place for him than the last WOL-GSL.
group B is a total curveball, much like A from last season, can go really weird if one match is lost by one of the "big three"

The funny thing is he thought he would too
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Netherlands7031 Posts
March 03 2013 21:37 GMT
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Hoping for at least MKP and Effort. Maybe Stephano and Creator also.
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March 03 2013 21:43 GMT
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March 03 2013 22:00 GMT
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Prime for both first place spots!!!!
Ryung+Lure/Younghwa would also be nice!!!!
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