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October 9th, 2012 22:46 GMT
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Semi-Final 1: (P)SKTelecom_Rain vs. (T)LG-IM_Mvp

Whirlwind - Abyssal City - Entombed Valley - Antiga Shipyard - Cloud Kingdom


  • (P)SKTelecom_By.Rain

    What's on the line: One half of a legendary achievement: double royal roads.


    Strengths
    – KeSPA trained, OSL and GSL certified.
    – Very strong, harassment heavy style of PvT.
    – Improves with every appearance, seeming almost invincible the last time around.

    Weaknesses
    – Did not deliver last time he was in a similar situation; the semi-finals of ProLeague.
    – Has never played a player like Mvp in his element.

  • (T)LG-IM_Mvp

    What's on the line: Going one step closer to five GSL championships, a feat that may never be matched ever.

    Strengths
    – Is Mvp.
    – The most experienced and successful player in this situation.
    – Thrives as the underdog. (Also thrives as the favorite)

    Weaknesses
    – PvT has traditionally been his worst match-up.
    – Large body of work for Rain to analyze.



by Porcelina


What a match. Tonight, we will see dreams, hopes, fears and unanswered questions be realized, denied and answered, in no particular order.

This could be a classic for the ages in terms of play. It could be a match we will always remember for how Mvp out-thought and outplayed Rain when it did not look like he had a chance. It could be a series that will forever cement Rain as a master of PvT, a legend in his own making.

It could also turn out to be an anticlimax in terms of how the games play out. One player could get an advantage early and ride it out without fireworks going off. If anything, the most hyped match-ups are often the most disappointing – when a championship caliber player executes his plan perfectly, his opponent cannot resist being crushed in an avalanche.

But this will be a matchup of significance for every other reason, regardless of how the games themselves play out. This is what many have been waiting to see for a long time now. Neither player has to win by playing particularly well; simply beating the other will be a legendary chapter in itself. For Rain, it means keeping his royal road aspirations alive and establishing KeSPA as the new world order, with himself at its head. For Mvp, it means winning against insurmountable odds once more, continuing to prove himself when he has already run out of things to prove, and leaping miles ahead as the best StarCraft II player in history.

The mind says...

It is hard to see how a player like Rain will lose a Bo5 versus Terran playing standard macro games. Of course, you must keep in mind that this is no ordinary Terran Rain faces, but Mvp, the greatest player in the history of the game. Still, it does not change the fact that Rain has played the best PvT we have seen. As much as Taeja might like to claim that his TvP is the weakest matchup in his repertoire, he has been the best at it for a while – and Rain utterly destroyed him in the round of sixteen. Not only did the games conclusively go in the favor of the Protoss, they showed that Rain was able to pick up on a weakness of his opponent and punish him severely while still looking as solid as ever.

If he had any serious weaknesses going into this match-up, Last was kind enough to give him a much needed check-up in the OSL semi-finals last night. Last revealed what he thought was the best plan to defeating Rain in TvP: all-in and pray (many other Terran players would have agreed). It was a plan that almost worked, but Rain came through in the end, reversing a 0 – 3 deficit to win 4 – 3. Whether this vaccination was successful or not, is left to be seen.

Mvp on the other hand has long lived with having his TvP associated with the words ‘weakest’ and ‘matchup’. Of course, he has been the most complete player in the scene and technically everyone has a 'worst' match-up. For reference, Mvp's 'worst' match-up was good enough to see him defeat three Protoss players in a row to win a championship two seasons ago.

Yet again, beyond the numbers of trophies, there's still reason to have doubts about Mvp. For a player who has seen so much success, it is surprising how uninspiring Mvp often looks against Protoss. He does not have huge holes in his game play, but neither does he blow you away like Taeja, MarineKing or even inconsistent players like Gumiho can at their best. He might win, but whereas he has introduced new standards for TvT and TvZ, he has gotten further in tournaments by tricking, cheesing and by exploiting flaws or mistakes made by his Protoss opponents. One could say Mvp drags his opponents down in TvP, as opposed to elevating his own play.

It does not compute that a player without clearly defined stylistic strengths should beat a player like Rain. Of course, there is the chance that Rain’s early game has the same holes that we saw exploited by Last. Mvp, and countless other tournament champions have demonstrated to us that being the better macro-game player is highly overrated. However, the reveal against Last comes almost as a disservice to Mvp. It is true that it is better to face an opponent you know has certain flaws, but it is insurmountably harder to face an opponent aware of them.

Just like the gut reaction is to doubt that Mvp will win, the brain makes it hard to believe that the Terran will be competing for his fifth title this season. Take away the name factor involved going into it, the safest bet would be on the Protoss to defeat the Terran in convincing fashion.

The heart says

Rain has been the biggest revelation of this season. His was the story of a player that everyone knew was good, but was capable of tropospheric highs that no one could have possibly imagine. As the the tournament progressed, we became witness to one of the most awe inspiring ascendancies in StarCraft II. The wildest thing is that the story may not be over. Rain has become progressively stronger throughout, and each time we have seen him play he has seemed more refined, resilient and self assured.

Mvp has faced many difficult tests before, but this will be the ultimate test of his powers of winning at all costs. While he won 2012 GSL Season Two against all odds – with Parting looking like a maestro of PvT and Squirtle emerging as the most complete Protoss to date – this again feels different. If anything, those encounters were similar in how last night's series between Last vs. Rain played out; a definite underdog finding a way to stay competitive through cheese. But unlike Squirtle, Rain survived such a series, and he's grown stronger once again for it. One must wonder what Mvp has left, what he has saved to overcome such a challenge.

This all feels very familiar somehow. Mvp looks beat on paper. He is facing a player that he should not beat except by invoking his power to defeat anyone by the unique property of being himself.

Everything that reason tells us about matchup analysis would lead us to believe that Rain is the favorite. But there is only so much about what Mvp has done in his career that can be explained by cold logic. And we have seen what has happened before when Mvp has been in this position.

It would be incredibly ironic if Mvp cheesed Rain out of the GSL just one day after Rain narrowly avoided such a fate in the OSL, and somehow it seems fairly plausible. Even though Rain should be better prepared and more equipped to handle the early game, Mvp will find a way to execute all-ins when he knows that Rain knows, showing that knowing is only half the battle. Because if Mvp cannot win off a single mind game, he is definitely the man to pull off a double or triple one.

And this being Mvp, the man who defies all expectations, who is to say he cannot win in a macro game? While we are occupied with what kind of trickery and deceit Mvp could use most effectively, there could not be a move more characteristic of Mvp by going the exact opposite way and crushing Rain straight-up.

For all the merits of predicting a smooth victory for Rain, there remains the fact that a part of us cannot help but to feel that we will be surprised one way or the other. It is impossible to say exactly how; it may be that Mvp’s history so far has made it clear that an exit in the semi-finals is highly unlikely. One thing is certain; Mvp will have analyzed the situation and will test Rain in ways he has not been tested before.

The conclusion

The StarCraft community has had a week to anticipate, to predict, and to salivate over getting to see Mvp and Rain fighting it out. Much has been written, much has been said. Most will agree that Rain should win. At the same time, and not mutually exclusively, many will expect Mvp to win despite the odds.

There are matches that come down to logic. There are matches that defy them. What kind will welcome us in the round of four is not known, but does it really matter at this point? The amount of emotional investment and interest itself is at a boiling point. Not necessarily because of fanboys, fangirls or their counterparts, but because this is so inherently fascinating. Sometimes a name is made on the back of a fantastic game. Rain and Mvp both already have names. And their legacies will grow regardless of the result, as long as there is a result.

We have seen a lot in the GSL. We have seen stars shine. Some brighter than others.

Some shine so bright, so consistently that they become the suns of their own planar systems.

Some shine with such intensity that they light up the skies but burn out in a blinding flash.

Mvp has become the sun of the GSL. Rain is the brightest, most ferocious new celestial object we have observed. On the day, there is no room for both. We may witness a spectacular supernova, one that burns more brightly than others before, but still one that fades from the skies to reveal that the world of StarCraft II still revolves around Mvp. Or the sun we know may be eclipsed and the brightest star will shine brighter than ever before.

Rain 3 - 1 Mvp


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Semi-Final 2: (T)Liquid`TaeJa vs. (Z)ST_Life

Abyssal City - Whirlwind - Entombed Valley - Cloud Kingdom - Daybreak


  • (T)Liquid`TaeJa

    What's on the line: Continuing his quest to win a GSL and prove that he is the best player in the world.

    Strengths
    – Insanely good TvZ micro, especially in battles.
    – 9 - 1 all-time record against Life.
    – Uncanny knack for barely surviving Zerg rushes and coming back to win.




    Weaknesses
    – Recently struggled against Zergs proficient at hive play, such as Leenock and VortiX.
    – Preference for greedy play is well-known and exploitable.

  • (Z)ST_Life

    What's on the line: The royal road, and dispelling doubts about who is truly the best Zerg.

    Strengths
    – Young and incredibly talented, constantly improving.
    – Likes to use a wide variety of strategies, especially ones that give him the initiative early.
    – Has become a very strong macro player since joining Startale.
    – Remarkable composure and confidence for a Code S rookie.

    Weaknesses
    – Preference for early aggression is well-known and exploitable.
    – Yet to show top level play with late-game hive armies.



by stuchiu and Waxangel


Some would say this was inevitable. Life and TaeJa had long been touted as two of the prospects with the most promise, showing dominating performances on the ladder and in online tournaments alike. Yet, it took nearly a year, and two wildly divergent career paths for these two to fulfill their potential, and finally meet one step away from the summit.

TaeJa began on the NEX clan, a feeder clan into the pro-team ZeNEX, after being rejected from teams that had been his first option. It was an inauspicious start, but TaeJa committed to improving his skill and moving up in the world.

He soon earned himself a spot on the prestigious SlayerS team, and used his limited chances in the GSTL to impress by all-killing twice. He turned the ESV Weekly tournaments into his personal ATM, and fought his way out of Code B to qualify for Code S. Yet, with the SlayerS policy of favoring in-house players, MMA, Ryung, and Ganzi would remain forever ahead of him in the pecking order, whether it was GSTL appearances or receiving a rare flight to an international tournament.

TaeJa needed to spread his wings even further, and he received SlayerS' blessing to search for another team. A move to Liquid followed, where he continued his growth and capitalized on new opportunities. TaeJa learned the ropes at international tournaments, going from 'another Korean Terran' to multiple international champion. He went from a one-off player in Code S to one of its regular fixtures, and is now one step away from the finals.

In contrast to TaeJa's steady, self-made ascent, Life's rise to prominence was almost an accident – one that's equally bizarre and awesome.

Being younger than TaeJa and still bound to middle school, Life wasn't able to take control of his fortune the same way. He found a place on the bottom of the rankings ZeNEX team, eventually becoming their best player, but remained largely an online prodigy. Even Life will admit that he wasn't treating pro-gaming too seriously at the time.

Then, two things happened: ZeNEX was absorbed by Startale, and summer vacation started. Many people could have guessed it before, but ZeNEX hadn't exactly been making huge demands of Life as a pro-gamer. With time on and his hands and having been swept up into one of Korea's most skilled and best supported teams, Life moved into the Startale house and put major effort into pro-gaming for the maybe the first time.

On his own, Life had already been good enough to be ZeNEX's ace player, and make it into Code A. At the end of the summer, Life emerged as the the best player on Startale and possibly the best Zerg in in the world. It's as if the StarCraft gods were tired of waiting for Life to realize his talent, and decided to intervene on his behalf.

Whatever paths they took, all that matters now is that they are here. Generation change has been a long way coming, and it begins now.


TaeJa: The favorite

TaeJa has been carrying a prospective "best Terran in the world" tag for a few months now, but he needs to win this GSL to make it truly and undeniably his. Defeating a combination of Life and Mvp/Rain will leave no doubt in anyone's mind.

TaeJa's greatest strength must be his amazing micro, especially in battles. While the Terran race has strong harassment and infuriatingly good turtling capacity, their signature TvZ trait going all the way back to Brood War is their ability to fight incredibly cost-effectively. While Zergs have shied away from fighting Terrans without the support of their own signature units in infestors and brood lords, it's precisely the unsavory prospect of facing a player like TaeJa in the open field that caused them to play this way.

On the back of that, TaeJa does pretty much everything a Terran needs to do very well. He harasses doggedly, makes great decisions, and has an incredible knack for being greedy, absorbing a rush, and coming out with an economical advantage. At one point TaeJa was somewhat predictable in his preference for greedy play, but he incorporated cheesy builds and all-ins into his play as he became a championship contender. TaeJa's macro is probably his weakest area as he sometimes banks a large amount of minerals, but he's often microing well enough in the meanwhile to make it worth it. When you put it all together, there's no question that TaeJa is the best TvZ player right now.


Life: The Dark Horse

Life, the Dancing Ling,
Young and Keen,
And only fifteen.


Just a month ago, Life was a rising prospect that had a penchant for off-tempo play and all-ins. His unique, aggressive strategies helped him set the pace of the game and take the initiative away from his opponents. It was hard to tell whether it was meticulously calculated or just done on a whim, but Life's ability to switch things up gave him a unique advantage.

Since joining Startale, Life has reaped the rewards of being at a team house with multiple Code S caliber players. In addition to all of the tricks and sleight of hand he knew before, he became far more comfortable in straight out macro games. However, instead of simply imitating the turtle-hive style of many other players, he has taken the best of both worlds to create his own unique style of play.

His ZvT in particular, has been a great display of the Life style of play. Life finds that with Terran players expecting Zergs to rush hive, it's not hard at all to find ways to exploit defensively lax Terrans with aggression. The hallmark of his play is brilliant speedling usage to take back the initiative from the standard TvZ opening of hellion-banshee. By microing speedlings against hellions and backstabbing incessantly, Life takes the momentum early and keeps it for the rest of the game.

Even though Life's supposed 'weakness' should his lack of experience, so far it hasn’t affected him at all. Rather, in the round of 8, MKP looked like the inexperienced rookie while Life looked like the seasoned veteran. In that series, Life even targeted his opponent's mindset directly and tried to take advantages both in and outside of the game. After making sure he had the games in the bag, Life added in manner hatcheries and zergling dance parties in a deliberate attempt to discourage MKP. Unfortunately for him, Taeja also has an iron clad mindset and it'll take more than breakdancing zerglings to unhinge Taeja in the Ro4.


Overall

Both players know where each other excel, but somehow it doesn't seem likely they're going to change anything up for each other. They're both confident enough to think they can beat anyone in the world by sticking to their game plan, and this will end up being a direct clash of styles.

Taeja will use his usual gameplan, trying to get three orbitals up reasonably safely, knowing that the power of mules means he can afford to lose an early battle since he will be better set to win the war. As for Life, he will try to set the tempo with aggression as usual, confident that simply knowing his style won't be enough for any Terran to stop him. TaeJa will dare Life to attack, and Life will happily oblige.

When all is said and done, Taeja should take this but just barely. While MarineKing only understood offense, and more offense, TaeJa knows how to balance offense and defense, and greed and safety. He can't walk the razor's edge perfectly for the entire series, and Life is surely going to make him bleed. But if you add it all up, Taeja’s stability and solidity stack up just slightly better against Life's offensive ingenuity.

Prediction: Taeja 3 - 2 Life




Writers: Porcelina, stuchiu and Waxangel.
Graphics and Art: GomTV and Meko.
Editor: Waxangel.
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ch33psh33p
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October 09 2012 22:50 GMT
#2
Been looking forward to this read all day


Still believe in 3-1 MVP!
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EH.Devil
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Germany24 Posts
October 09 2012 22:51 GMT
#3
3-1 rain u kidding right?
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4391 Posts
October 09 2012 22:52 GMT
#4
Taeja didn't get mentioned in the little excerpt on the front page of the site. Only mentioned MVP and Rain/Life.
TR
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2320 Posts
October 09 2012 22:53 GMT
#5
3-1 Rain wins and 3-1 TaeJa wins. Those are my predictions. Go TaeJaa!
Kznn
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Brazil9072 Posts
October 09 2012 22:53 GMT
#6
rain and taeja finals
Sumahi
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Guam5609 Posts
October 09 2012 22:56 GMT
#7
Life all the way!!!
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Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1590 Posts
October 09 2012 22:56 GMT
#8
I believe in MVP till the end. If there is a starcraft god he will win tomorrow.
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Jigsy
Profile Joined June 2011
21 Posts
October 09 2012 22:56 GMT
#9
Fk me, I have to go to buy a new mouse so I will miss the start -.-
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33306 Posts
October 09 2012 22:57 GMT
#10
On October 10 2012 07:52 JJH777 wrote:
Taeja didn't get mentioned in the little excerpt on the front page of the site. Only mentioned MVP and Rain/Life.


oh you ~_~
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Doubting
Profile Joined August 2012
Canada981 Posts
October 09 2012 22:57 GMT
#11
GOOO Life

only Zerg left
Life: The New Champion!!
GolemMadness
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada11044 Posts
October 09 2012 22:58 GMT
#12
3-2 Rain 3-2 Taeja
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Holytornados
Profile Joined November 2011
United States1022 Posts
October 09 2012 22:59 GMT
#13
Taeja vs MvP gogoogogoo
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Wrathsc2
Profile Joined March 2011
United States2025 Posts
October 09 2012 22:59 GMT
#14
MVP MVP MVP MVP

U WILL REGRET THIS, MVP IS NOT AMUSED!
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Draconicfire
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada2562 Posts
October 09 2012 22:59 GMT
#15
Rain and MVP look like theyre about to kiss.

But Rain is gonna slap MVP down afterwards.
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Zenbrez
Profile Joined June 2012
Canada5973 Posts
October 09 2012 23:01 GMT
#16
Rain, you got this!
Refer to my post.
Sabu113
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States11047 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-09 23:06:28
October 09 2012 23:02 GMT
#17
3-2 Taeja? Well aren't you being kind to life. It's pretty hard to see anyone survive Taeja v Z these days.

Gonna stay up and watch Rain knock the geriatric out. Double RR. Crushed hero. I want to see the hype about his other two matchups.
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yesrr
Profile Joined April 2011
United States26 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-09 23:05:30
October 09 2012 23:03 GMT
#18
This might be the best GSL Ro4 ever. I'm so hyped for this.

I've got money on Rain and Life in the finals
Gatsbizzle
Profile Joined March 2010
United States132 Posts
October 09 2012 23:03 GMT
#19
Sun, I BELIEVE. Double RR, make me proud!
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-09 23:05:50
October 09 2012 23:05 GMT
#20
For Mvp vs Sun, whoever wins, the rise of a god...

Should be good.

Also go Taeja.
PardonYou
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1360 Posts
October 09 2012 23:05 GMT
#21
Rain 3-2
Taeja 3-2
I can see all the games being really close, and I feel like these two would bring an amazing final. *Knocks on every piece of wood in my apartment.*
Atrbyg
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States513 Posts
October 09 2012 23:06 GMT
#22
I still believe in MVP, even after seeing Rain come back against Last.

This is going to be such a good series.
Orcasgt24
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada3238 Posts
October 09 2012 23:07 GMT
#23
On October 10 2012 07:52 JJH777 wrote:
Taeja didn't get mentioned in the little excerpt on the front page of the site. Only mentioned MVP and Rain/Life.


Honestly, Rain/MVP is the feature match-up. This is the set we ALL wanna see. Life/Teaja doesn't have 1/100th of the hype as Rain/MVP
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United States15275 Posts
October 09 2012 23:08 GMT
#24
Great writeup!
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zephiK
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United States372 Posts
October 09 2012 23:09 GMT
#25
Great writeup in terms of strengths and weaknesses. Looking forward to the games tonight, the anticipation and hype is definitely there for this season.
ELA
Profile Joined April 2010
Denmark4608 Posts
October 09 2012 23:09 GMT
#26
TaeJa-MVP!!

I believe!!

Let's go win this now TaeJa!
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heartlxp
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1258 Posts
October 09 2012 23:11 GMT
#27
MVP gogoogogogogo, I believe!!!
zedrOne
Profile Joined May 2010
France471 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-09 23:12:20
October 09 2012 23:12 GMT
#28
life & Mvp in the final. (and life win)

Rain will win OSL.
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Zambrah
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States7242 Posts
October 09 2012 23:12 GMT
#29
Rain (3-0) and Life (3-2) is my bet.

I just get the feeling that Life is the kind of player that can really handle Taeja. Well, I suppose we'll see about that. :-P

GO LIFE!
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Pulselol
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada1628 Posts
October 09 2012 23:12 GMT
#30
Rain probably going to 3-2 MVP
Incomplet
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
United Kingdom1419 Posts
October 09 2012 23:13 GMT
#31
3-1 Rain, 3-1 Taeja

4-2 Rain
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Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States2618 Posts
October 09 2012 23:13 GMT
#32
MVP MOTHER FUCKERS!! Dont doubt him. EVER. He is the greatest. He is the champion. He is the Game Genie Terran.
Long live the Boss Toss!
Xova
Profile Joined November 2010
United States342 Posts
October 09 2012 23:15 GMT
#33
Gogo MVP give us Terrans a little more hope!
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Profile Joined July 2012
Canada32 Posts
October 09 2012 23:16 GMT
#34
getting up at 4:10 am on a school day to watch this YES
naniwa fighting
zyce
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States649 Posts
October 09 2012 23:17 GMT
#35
That was an amazing piece! I'm really enjoying Porcelina's writing. The part about Rain getting a "much-needed checkup" in the OSL was great.

I'm truly excited for these games tonight, more so than I am for most any finals match. I just wish it could be a best-of-7, as in the OSL match. Mvp may come to dominate, but it looks like there's a good chance that Rain has all the right tools to take him out. I'm definitely cheering for my favorite player, Rain.

3-1 Rain.
Beauty is not the goal of competitive sports, but high-level sports are a prime venue for the expression of human beauty. The relation is roughly that of courage to war.
Hapahauli
Profile Joined May 2009
United States9305 Posts
October 09 2012 23:20 GMT
#36
Best semi-final line-up I've ever seen, and probably will ever see.
a talking rock that sprouts among the waves woosh
Norzma
Profile Joined November 2011
Sweden160 Posts
October 09 2012 23:21 GMT
#37
I'm so hyped, Mvp fighting~
arfyron
Profile Joined July 2011
518 Posts
October 09 2012 23:23 GMT
#38
This is going to be so fucking awesome.
Tauscond
Profile Joined December 2011
United States181 Posts
October 09 2012 23:24 GMT
#39
If Last could 3-0 Rain, why can't Mvp?
Mvp, Mvp, Mvp, Mvp, MMA, MKP
niukasu1990
Profile Joined July 2012
1007 Posts
October 09 2012 23:25 GMT
#40
Do we have a recap?
TommyP
Profile Joined December 2011
United States6231 Posts
October 09 2012 23:25 GMT
#41
I really have no clue who is going to win. Ill take Rain and Taeja.
#TheOneTrueDong
tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
October 09 2012 23:26 GMT
#42
lmao Rain 3-1 MVP? You gotta be kidding me.
Whatson
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
United States5356 Posts
October 09 2012 23:27 GMT
#43
Never doubt the King.
Lord MVP will stomp all over Rain.
¯\_(シ)_/¯
snively
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States1159 Posts
October 09 2012 23:28 GMT
#44
oh wow taeja vs life

soo close T_T

but ima go with life
My religion is Starcraft
zefreak
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States2731 Posts
October 09 2012 23:29 GMT
#45
Rain actually looked really weak last night to anyone that knows anything about TvP. Last played horribly in his 'macro' games, randomly pulling scvs after building a 3rd right after storm finishes for example. Rain looked extremely mortal, and I would even say Mvp is the favorite (if rain plays like he did vs Last).
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fR.INDI
Profile Joined June 2003
Germany50 Posts
October 09 2012 23:30 GMT
#46
i want to the Taeja vs Rain so Rain plz win
FuGGu
Profile Joined March 2012
United States176 Posts
October 09 2012 23:32 GMT
#47
Oh man. So very excited. 4:00am start time?! Gotta wake up at 7:00am?! No problem.
Entirety
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
1423 Posts
October 09 2012 23:34 GMT
#48
Mvp let's go! Mvp 3-0 Rain, I must believe in our King. <3
It doesn't matter what you think, it doesn't matter what's logical, it doesn't matter what your gut says... Mvp defies them all, time and time again, until there is no choice but to accept his message: GSL #5 is going to be his.
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SHOOG
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1639 Posts
October 09 2012 23:43 GMT
#49
Such a tough decision for these games :/
I want to see Mvp get the 5th championship, but I also want to see the reign of Rain(lol) go down in history. I wanna see him make it all the way.
On the other side, I want to root for my boy Taeja, but as Startale fanboy I just feel the need to go with Life!
So I'm going with Rain>Mvp and Taeja<Life. *Caution: extreme bias was used*
GGodSlayer
Profile Joined October 2011
Canada13 Posts
October 09 2012 23:48 GMT
#50
I think Rain is going to win against MVP but i hope that MVP does just for a TvT final of Taeja VS MVP to find out who is truly the best player and Terran in the world. Rain is good but to me it just wont quite feel as epic him in the finals over MVP altho im sure what ever finals happen it will be damn epic! GL Taeja and MVP!!!
DOUDOU
Profile Joined October 2011
Wales2940 Posts
October 09 2012 23:48 GMT
#51
excellent writing guys (preference to Porcelina)


*look at prediction*
Rain 3 - 1 Mvp

oh lord what have you done!! betting against MVP????? he surely is gonna win now :/

jk i have the same prediction



i refused to liquibet against taeja, but as i said multiple times, life isn't to be underestimated, he always look so prepared
Feast | Grubby | Mvp | Polt | Fantasy | Last | MMA | forGG | Leenock | Soberphano | Scarlett cutiepie
Eternalmisfit
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States643 Posts
October 09 2012 23:49 GMT
#52
I am going for a 3-1 MVP beatdown of Rain (or) a close fought 2-3 loss for MVP
I don't see a 3-0 happening either way
Condor Hero
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2931 Posts
October 09 2012 23:49 GMT
#53
GOD DAMN MOST HYPED MATCH EVER?

It's like Jinro vs Idra x10.
Entirety
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
1423 Posts
October 09 2012 23:54 GMT
#54
Never bet against Mvp, never doubt the King!

No matter how hopeless it looks, that's when Mvp will pull out his best. Watch carefully!
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Sithril
Profile Joined April 2011
Slovakia169 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-09 23:57:18
October 09 2012 23:56 GMT
#55
MVP wins. With fireworks. He is, after all, the MVP of SC2 so far.

If not, than the elephants clash against ESF in both finals will be epic no matter what.

... now I'm half-half as to who I want to win. >.>
Dismay
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1180 Posts
October 09 2012 23:58 GMT
#56
I believe in Mvp. Bring it on.
In every age, in every place, the deeds of men remain the same.
TommyP
Profile Joined December 2011
United States6231 Posts
October 10 2012 00:00 GMT
#57
On October 10 2012 08:54 Entirety wrote:
Never bet against Mvp, never doubt the King!

No matter how hopeless it looks, that's when Mvp will pull out his best. Watch carefully!

Whenever I think Mvp is going to win, he doesnt (2012 Code S season 2 for example, I picked against him every game and I thought he would lose in Ro32 this season but is in the semis!!) and whenever I think hes going to lose, he wins.

Im taking Rain, so expect Mvp to win
#TheOneTrueDong
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
October 10 2012 00:03 GMT
#58
Porcelina going to have to get a MVP tattoo as well!

Well we'll see. I'm so nervous about it, I really want MVP to take it.

Taeja or Life I'm not too fussed on, but Life's play is really really exciting. So that would be nice.
Mvp - Leenock - Dongraegu - MC - Gumiho - Keen - Polt - Squirtle - Jjakji - Genius - Seed - Life - sC - Dream || LG-IM - MVP - FXO
ClairvoyanceSC2
Profile Joined February 2012
United States758 Posts
October 10 2012 00:04 GMT
#59
I hope taeja wins! :D :D
Also, I think rain is gonna pull another comeback vs mvp. Down 2-0, then wins 3-2 in a super close last game.
Pandain
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States12989 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-10 00:05:14
October 10 2012 00:05 GMT
#60
On October 10 2012 07:51 EH.Devil wrote:
3-1 rain u kidding right?


This. How can you seriously still doubt MVP?

If Rain is weak to anything in his new SC2 careers, its mind games and early game and build orders. MVP is the King, with no other Prince to threaten, of these kinds of tactics. It's how he won GSLs, for crying out loud.

Even as his macro slips, his intelligence grows. There is no stopping MVP, he is going for his 5th GSL title.

MVP 3-1 Rain
cskalias.pbe
Profile Joined April 2010
United States293 Posts
October 10 2012 00:05 GMT
#61
I actually thought it would be the mind saying Rain and the heart saying MVP. This is despite a common mantra around here that i also follow: never bet against mvp
qcHanHan
Profile Joined September 2011
Denmark71 Posts
October 10 2012 00:08 GMT
#62
I think your predictions are about right. Couldn't be more hyped then I am for By.Sun vs Mvp, god I've been looking forward to this! Also I'm praaaaaaaying that TaeJa can pull this off against Life. I don't want that Zerg nobody to ruin my final..

Mvp / Rain / TaeJa as champion, = I'm happy <3

Go Liquid HerO!!!!!!!!!<3 (next season)
HerO - herO - PartinG - sOs - Rain - Zest - Stats
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-10 00:13:14
October 10 2012 00:12 GMT
#63
Rain dual OSL/GSL champs plz.

I want Life to win vs. Taeja... I like both, but man, Life. Guaranteed royal road too good.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
RobberFrog
Profile Joined September 2012
United States3 Posts
October 10 2012 00:13 GMT
#64
The massive hype around Rain has started to bug me. He's definitely really really good, but not unparalleled. Squirtle and Symbol had similar runs earlier this year, and Life is busy doing the same on the other side of the bracket.
Hello
blacksheepwall
Profile Joined June 2011
China1530 Posts
October 10 2012 00:14 GMT
#65
I would love to see Mvp and Taeja win, and I believe that at least Taeja can do it.

But Life is one of my favourite players too, so, just hoping for some great games.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ // </3 Taeja
kochanfe
Profile Joined July 2011
Micronesia1338 Posts
October 10 2012 00:18 GMT
#66
I'd say Mvp 3-1 over Rain and Life 3-2 over TaeJa.
"The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long." - Lao Tzu
kochanfe
Profile Joined July 2011
Micronesia1338 Posts
October 10 2012 00:19 GMT
#67
On October 10 2012 09:13 RobberFrog wrote:
The massive hype around Rain has started to bug me. He's definitely really really good, but not unparalleled. Squirtle and Symbol had similar runs earlier this year, and Life is busy doing the same on the other side of the bracket.


Why, he's a KeSPA player. It's only natural that there should be hype around him, especially because none of the others are doing anywhere near as well yet.
"The flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long." - Lao Tzu
Super-C
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada3 Posts
October 10 2012 00:19 GMT
#68
This night just has such an aura of "most important GSL night ever" around it. I can't help but feel excited, any outcome at all is an exciting one, although I do want to see MVP triumph as David rather than Goliath this time around.
Bareleon
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
371 Posts
October 10 2012 00:21 GMT
#69
Sorry if this is off topic but when is the next season of proleague starting?
MrF
Profile Joined October 2011
United States320 Posts
October 10 2012 00:23 GMT
#70
MVP 3-1, don't believe the hype.
HunterXHunter is awesome
WetSocks
Profile Joined June 2012
United States953 Posts
October 10 2012 00:25 GMT
#71
Mirror matchup finals would be great!
Luepert
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States1933 Posts
October 10 2012 00:31 GMT
#72
Fact. MVP was predicted to lose in round of 16, round of 4, and the finals of Code S season 2. Fact.
esports
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-10 00:34:16
October 10 2012 00:33 GMT
#73
On October 10 2012 09:21 Bareleon wrote:
Sorry if this is off topic but when is the next season of proleague starting?


I don't think that information is released yet, when someone knows it will be posted asap I'm sure.

they might be negotiating trying to get a ESF team to play in PL to replace airforce ace.
Condor Hero
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States2931 Posts
October 10 2012 00:34 GMT
#74
On October 10 2012 09:05 Pandain wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 07:51 EH.Devil wrote:
3-1 rain u kidding right?


This. How can you seriously still doubt MVP?

If Rain is weak to anything in his new SC2 careers, its mind games and early game and build orders. MVP is the King, with no other Prince to threaten, of these kinds of tactics. It's how he won GSLs, for crying out loud.

Even as his macro slips, his intelligence grows. There is no stopping MVP, he is going for his 5th GSL title.

MVP 3-1 Rain

Bisu raped Savior 3-0.
Since then, all arguments that start with: "How can you doubt ____" are void for the eternity of esports.
Bareleon
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
371 Posts
October 10 2012 00:35 GMT
#75
On October 10 2012 09:33 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 09:21 Bareleon wrote:
Sorry if this is off topic but when is the next season of proleague starting?


I don't think that information is released yet, when someone knows it will be posted asap I'm sure.

they might be negotiating trying to get a ESF team to play in PL to replace airforce ace.


Where will Airforce Ace's players go?
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
October 10 2012 00:37 GMT
#76
On October 10 2012 09:35 Bareleon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 09:33 Dodgin wrote:
On October 10 2012 09:21 Bareleon wrote:
Sorry if this is off topic but when is the next season of proleague starting?


I don't think that information is released yet, when someone knows it will be posted asap I'm sure.

they might be negotiating trying to get a ESF team to play in PL to replace airforce ace.


Where will Airforce Ace's players go?


Either retiring or to other teams, Kespa or non-kespa, depends on who is willing to take them.
snakeeyez
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1231 Posts
October 10 2012 00:40 GMT
#77
Is rain really proven enough to be the favorite against mvp? I mean mvp has way more history and a big resume proving he is good. We have seen not enough games of rain to even be statistically significant whether he looks amazing or not. The same thing happened with forgg with a giant hype train. Mvp is most likely to win.
GenesisX
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Canada4267 Posts
October 10 2012 00:40 GMT
#78
omg this is so hype
Mind says: 3-2 MVP, 3-2 Taeja
Heart says: ... I can't pick between Sun and MVP ;_; ... and Taeja and Life either goddammit
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Entirety
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
1423 Posts
October 10 2012 00:41 GMT
#79
Between a truly fearsome player who has shown brilliant play for all of... 1 month? 2 months?

Or someone who has been consistently good, winning a GSL in January of 2011 and February of 2012 (has anyone else won 2 GSLs so far apart? I thought not), winning an IEM as recently as last month, and winning major tournaments in between...

I'd go with the safer bet. Yes, Mvp is the safer bet here. We all know how risky it is to bet against Mvp.
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ScaringKids
Profile Joined November 2010
Portugal819 Posts
October 10 2012 00:46 GMT
#80
These shall be some awsome matches for sure.
MC | NesTea | Jaedong | PartinG | Liquid'HerO | MvP | Flash | White-Ra | Polt | Squirtle |
SuperEight
Profile Joined December 2011
United States333 Posts
October 10 2012 00:53 GMT
#81
Tonight will be amazing regardless of what occurs. I believe in Mvp.
To rest is to rust; to be active is to achieve.
]343[
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States10328 Posts
October 10 2012 00:57 GMT
#82
as much as i hate skt, i'm rooting for sun here

double royal road gogogo
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Aando
Profile Joined August 2011
1304 Posts
October 10 2012 01:01 GMT
#83
I can't even remember the last time I was so hyped about a game like I am for Mvp vs Rain. DAYUMDAYUMDAYUM!
Inferno272
Profile Joined April 2011
United States19 Posts
October 10 2012 01:01 GMT
#84
somewhere MVP is maniacally laughing at your silly prediction
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banjo1735
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
19 Posts
October 10 2012 01:05 GMT
#85
Considering MVP loves to cheese Protoss, Rain must have been preparing for 1 base Terran builds for the past week, yet he still almost lost to Last's one-basing strategies. With all of MVP's experience, I think it's safe to say he can execute even better than Last.

Rain must be nervous.
StarVe
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany13591 Posts
October 10 2012 01:05 GMT
#86
IMRootingForMVP, probably more hyped than I've ever been for GSL semifinals.
Soft`Soap
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada865 Posts
October 10 2012 01:06 GMT
#87
On October 10 2012 09:13 RobberFrog wrote:
The massive hype around Rain has started to bug me. He's definitely really really good, but not unparalleled. Squirtle and Symbol had similar runs earlier this year, and Life is busy doing the same on the other side of the bracket.


But By.Sun has only been fully dedicated to SC2 for a month. His last BW game was in September 9th, and you can't argue that he wasn't practising BW because he won his last 5 BW games.

The massive hype is definitely well deserved, By.Sun is a beast and I hope he becomes a double RR.
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awwnuts07
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States621 Posts
October 10 2012 01:07 GMT
#88
MVP and TaeJa!!!! Gogogogo!
I'm a noob
kju
Profile Joined September 2010
6143 Posts
October 10 2012 01:09 GMT
#89
Mvp & Taeja
Glenn313
Profile Joined August 2011
United States475 Posts
October 10 2012 01:09 GMT
#90
glhf to all of them!
Hey man
Entirety
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
1423 Posts
October 10 2012 01:24 GMT
#91
On October 10 2012 10:01 Inferno272 wrote:
somewhere MVP is maniacally laughing at your silly prediction


Yes! "Who are these mere mortals who challenge the King? Mwahahahaha, it only means that Rain will be caught with his pants down!"
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StarscreamG1
Profile Joined February 2011
Portugal1653 Posts
October 10 2012 01:24 GMT
#92
Taeja will 3-0 Life. He plays too consistent to a player like Life. Rain - Mvp 3-1.
Rain - Taeja final.
BaronVonOwn
Profile Joined April 2011
299 Posts
October 10 2012 01:31 GMT
#93
So that's it? They're just gonna play? Seems like there should at least be some kind of pregame ceremony or something for a match this awesome. Rain has been amazing but Mvp totally deserves his title as the best SC2 player ever. Mvp's defense is excellent and storm drops aren't going to work on him. On top of that Rain hasn't shown any ability to cheese so Mvp will be able to exploit that with greedy builds.

3-0 Mvp.
Goshdarnit
Profile Joined August 2011
United States540 Posts
October 10 2012 01:35 GMT
#94
The two fastest growing players (Rain and Life) against two amazing solid Terrans. Dis gon be gud.

Yeah, I still think life will squeak out a win and now that I think about it I really hope he does for the sake of enjoyment. IMO if Taeja wins and MVP wins I don't love MVP's chances in drawn out tvt series and I don't want to put MVP down for TvT. Secondly I think that if Rain can beat MVP he will DEMOLISH Taeja.

Seriously does anyone who saw there last series think that Taeja can beat Rain? Rain has only gotten better and if he proves that he can beat MVP I would fear for a 4-0 sweep if he faced Taeja in the finals. Hopefully if this situation does take place Taeja has some personal time with Happy to learn his secrets
aRyuujin
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States5049 Posts
October 10 2012 01:36 GMT
#95
honestly, as long as Mvp's mouth is open, he will not lose.
Mvp with magikarp mouth is basically world destroyer
can i get my estro logo back pls
Figgy
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1788 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-10 01:44:33
October 10 2012 01:43 GMT
#96
3-2 Mvp 3-1 Life

As much as I think Rain is probably the best player in the world compared to others... after seeing Rain almost lose to Last I can't imagine him beating a player who does everything the same as Last except 10 times as good. Mvp is the master of cheese and early aggression and I don't know if Rain can stand up to it. Also, unlike Last Mvp has the micro and end game skill to back it up, and I can definitely see him at least having a shot of taking games off Rain in a standard macro game.

I've always believed Taeja massively overrated and we'll see tonight if I'm correct or not. Just never been awe inspired by his play. He seems very rigid and with his refusal to build turrets against Rain I can't see him being able to adjust his play enough to take on Life's incredibly aggresive style. I think his Ling usage is just too good for a player like Taeja.
Bug Fixes Fixed an issue where, when facing a SlayerS terran, completing a hatchery would cause a medivac and 8 marines to randomly spawn nearby and attack it.
Figgy
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada1788 Posts
October 10 2012 01:46 GMT
#97
On October 10 2012 09:13 RobberFrog wrote:
The massive hype around Rain has started to bug me. He's definitely really really good, but not unparalleled. Squirtle and Symbol had similar runs earlier this year, and Life is busy doing the same on the other side of the bracket.


No one has ever ever risen so fast as Rain has. And his late game PvT is undenibly by far the best anyone has ever seen to date in SC2. His late game play is simply the best we've ever seen in these 2 years of SC2.

He is in no way over hyped.
Bug Fixes Fixed an issue where, when facing a SlayerS terran, completing a hatchery would cause a medivac and 8 marines to randomly spawn nearby and attack it.
Akamu
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States309 Posts
October 10 2012 01:48 GMT
#98
I wanna see the King get big bad number 5 tonight. Totally gonna be worth staying up!
I hear your heart beat to the beat of the drums, what a shame that you came here with someone.
NuKE[vZ]
Profile Joined July 2012
United States249 Posts
October 10 2012 01:50 GMT
#99
Rain and TaeJa advance...

both have a tough road though, Life and Mvp are sick.
Phobbers
Profile Joined May 2011
773 Posts
October 10 2012 01:51 GMT
#100
MVP, I believe. Crush Rain and go for the gold.
EG/C9/ALL/TSM
ch33psh33p
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
7650 Posts
October 10 2012 01:54 GMT
#101
On October 10 2012 10:06 Soft`Soap wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 09:13 RobberFrog wrote:
The massive hype around Rain has started to bug me. He's definitely really really good, but not unparalleled. Squirtle and Symbol had similar runs earlier this year, and Life is busy doing the same on the other side of the bracket.


But By.Sun has only been fully dedicated to SC2 for a month. His last BW game was in September 9th, and you can't argue that he wasn't practising BW because he won his last 5 BW games.

The massive hype is definitely well deserved, By.Sun is a beast and I hope he becomes a double RR.



They've been doing 80% SC2 / 20% BW for months, so the excuse you're providing is flimsy at best.
secret - never again
Entirety
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
1423 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-10 02:22:52
October 10 2012 01:58 GMT
#102
On October 10 2012 10:46 Figgy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 09:13 RobberFrog wrote:
The massive hype around Rain has started to bug me. He's definitely really really good, but not unparalleled. Squirtle and Symbol had similar runs earlier this year, and Life is busy doing the same on the other side of the bracket.


No one has ever ever risen so fast as Rain has. And his late game PvT is undenibly by far the best anyone has ever seen to date in SC2. His late game play is simply the best we've ever seen in these 2 years of SC2.

He is in no way over hyped.


No one has seen as much StarCraft 2 success as Mvp has. No one else has won two GSLs more than a year apart. No other Terran has won a TvP GSL finals.

You know who also had the best late game PvT seen up till that point? PartinG.
You know who took that title after PartinG lost it? Squirtle.

You know who gave us the first clean sweep in a GSL finals? Mvp 4 - 0 MarineKing.

Two can play at this game.
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glzElectromaster
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
Japan2474 Posts
October 10 2012 02:00 GMT
#103
GOMTV really needs to fix SK T1 -_-

It's SKT T1 :D

Predicting TaeJa 3-2, Mvp 3-2
RIP Kt. Violet | In solitude, where we are least alone
ritoky
Profile Joined March 2011
United States6851 Posts
October 10 2012 02:03 GMT
#104
All I have to say about these predictions is that 2 GSLs ago, TL writers said "TvP is historically MVPs worst matchup, he won't win" against Naniwa, then "Parting has the best PvT in the world, MVP can't win", then "Squirtle has been unbeatable, MVP can't win." Perhaps there should come a time when TL writers go against what their head says in regards to MVP and always doubting him.

If anything was proven in the OSL last night, it was that Rain is susceptible to creative early game all-ins and pressures. The same thing that MVP did 2 seasons ago in the Quarter-finals and Semi-finals to break the trend of greedy protoss play. I would expect to see 1 or 2 games for certain attempting to catch rain being greedy.
“When interest is at variance with conscience, any distinction to make them friends will serve the hollow-hearted.” -Henry Home
Inzan1ty
Profile Joined September 2012
1163 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-10 02:03:54
October 10 2012 02:03 GMT
#105
Here is what Iam hoping for

TaeJa 3-1 Life

Rain 3-0 Mvp

Here is what my gut tells me

Life 3-2 TaeJa

Mvp 3-1 Rain

For some reason the match of "Suns and Stars" might turn into one part frustratingly obvious dominating the other, just cause of better preparation.

I expect Taeja vs Life to be a nail biter either way tho, because of their similar form (and styles?)
RIP Seung Hyun 'Space' Park † 6/5/2013 - Undead hero and eSports rolemodel
catplanetcatplanet
Profile Blog Joined March 2012
3829 Posts
October 10 2012 02:08 GMT
#106
Heh heh. Keep it up, Wax.
I think it's finally time to admit it might not be the year of Pet
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
October 10 2012 02:08 GMT
#107
After Last almost took out Rain, I bet MVP will have watched those matches like a hawk. I'd give him a bit better of a shot at this now..
mrtomjones
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada4020 Posts
October 10 2012 02:10 GMT
#108
On October 10 2012 10:58 Entirety wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 10:46 Figgy wrote:
On October 10 2012 09:13 RobberFrog wrote:
The massive hype around Rain has started to bug me. He's definitely really really good, but not unparalleled. Squirtle and Symbol had similar runs earlier this year, and Life is busy doing the same on the other side of the bracket.


No one has ever ever risen so fast as Rain has. And his late game PvT is undenibly by far the best anyone has ever seen to date in SC2. His late game play is simply the best we've ever seen in these 2 years of SC2.

He is in no way over hyped.


No one has seen as much StarCraft 2 success as Rain has. No one else has won two GSLs more than a year apart. No other Terran has won a TvP GSL finals.

You know who also had the best late game PvT seen up till that point? PartinG.
You know who took that title after PartinG lost it? Squirtle.

You know who gave us the first clean sweep in a GSL finals? Mvp 4 - 0 MarineKing.

Two can play at this game.

I think you messed up your first sentence *MVP
ke_ivan
Profile Joined February 2011
Singapore374 Posts
October 10 2012 02:13 GMT
#109
Yeah, after watching the last Mvp match, I'm certain that Mvp can still win without wrists. Every time I think Mvp is washed up, he delivers. It's almost bad joke.

Taeja is the stronger, more consistent player. Life is the brighter player. I think we'll be seeing TvT in the finals.
Dontkillme
Profile Joined November 2011
Korea (South)806 Posts
October 10 2012 02:18 GMT
#110
MVP MVP MVP
Bomber & Jaedong & FlaSh & SNSD <3
Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
October 10 2012 02:18 GMT
#111
Taeja vs MVP... hoping so much!
Team Liquid, IM, ViOlet!
ticklishmusic
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States15977 Posts
October 10 2012 02:21 GMT
#112
TL should have learned not to bet against MVP... since they did (again) I think they must have at least some good reason to.
(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻
Entirety
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
1423 Posts
October 10 2012 02:24 GMT
#113
On October 10 2012 11:10 mrtomjones wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 10:58 Entirety wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:46 Figgy wrote:
On October 10 2012 09:13 RobberFrog wrote:
The massive hype around Rain has started to bug me. He's definitely really really good, but not unparalleled. Squirtle and Symbol had similar runs earlier this year, and Life is busy doing the same on the other side of the bracket.


No one has ever ever risen so fast as Rain has. And his late game PvT is undenibly by far the best anyone has ever seen to date in SC2. His late game play is simply the best we've ever seen in these 2 years of SC2.

He is in no way over hyped.


No one has seen as much StarCraft 2 success as Rain has. No one else has won two GSLs more than a year apart. No other Terran has won a TvP GSL finals.

You know who also had the best late game PvT seen up till that point? PartinG.
You know who took that title after PartinG lost it? Squirtle.

You know who gave us the first clean sweep in a GSL finals? Mvp 4 - 0 MarineKing.

Two can play at this game.

I think you messed up your first sentence *MVP


No one else saw that!

It's awesome to see that so many people trust in Mvp. At this rate, his reputation alone will beat players.
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SidianTheBard
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2474 Posts
October 10 2012 02:25 GMT
#114
MVP is going to put Rain in his place. 3-1

Taeja taking it home. 3-0
Creator of Abyssal Reef, Ascension to Aiur, Battle on the Boardwalk, Habitation Station, Honorgrounds, IPL Darkness Falls, King's Cove, Korhal Carnage Knockout & Moonlight Madness.
JayVeeDee
Profile Joined June 2012
Faroe Islands25 Posts
October 10 2012 02:27 GMT
#115
<This will be interesting :D
DRG, Marineking & Stephano all the way :D!
FILM
Profile Joined September 2010
United States663 Posts
October 10 2012 02:33 GMT
#116
Never doubt MVP \o/
Artosis:  "It's like Detroit in there."   Tasteless:  "Lots of shootings and damaged buildings."
Ryncol
Profile Joined July 2011
United States980 Posts
October 10 2012 02:33 GMT
#117
3-1 Rain? Anyone who claims to be able to predict how these games are going to go is full of it. No one knows how it'll play out, and you can never count out Mvp like that.
Deleted User 135096
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3624 Posts
October 10 2012 02:40 GMT
#118
too bad this is way too early for me to get up and watch...but i will be there in spirit. By.Rain Fightiing!
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Tauscond
Profile Joined December 2011
United States181 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-10 02:44:18
October 10 2012 02:42 GMT
#119
I don't know why so many people still think Rain is that good. Is this called overrated or overhyped? I agree he is a good player but everyone is talking like he is a 10 times GSL champion.
I don't even know who is Last but he did 3-0 Rain. I'm sure as hell that Mvp will do 10x better than that.

Taeja - Life: hum, I think Taeja has been overrated as well but he is very solid indeed. More important, I dislike Life even more. He is a talent, the youngest player but what he did again MKP (ling dances...) are bad manners. His game plays are no special. Anyway, I hope and I think Taeja is gonna take it.
Mvp, Mvp, Mvp, Mvp, MMA, MKP
theMiNUS
Profile Joined January 2011
United States333 Posts
October 10 2012 02:57 GMT
#120
wishing for a TvT finals. Why? Because when my boy Taeja takes it home in the finals, I want him to do it against arguably the best SC2 player of all time!
not idly do the leaves of lorien fall...
GoSuChicken
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
Germany1726 Posts
October 10 2012 03:02 GMT
#121
great matches!
6BiT
Profile Joined December 2011
513 Posts
October 10 2012 03:05 GMT
#122
Probably the most I've thought about liquibets.

Was a hard decision lol, tried to combine abit of heart & brains.

Mvp & Life through to the final.

Mvp 3-1: Who knows what Mvp has prepared, but if he executes whatever he has planned well I think it will be similar to his ro4 match against Parting in season 2. (my initial feeling is if the series is a longer one then Rain will take it... but its Mvp)

Life 3-2: Life looks like the most dangerous player this tournament, he's at the ro4 having only dropped 2 maps (in what is considered the most stacked code s ever). He absolutely dominated MKP last week, while I think this series will be alot closer I can't see Life losing it.
stuff & things
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33306 Posts
October 10 2012 03:06 GMT
#123
I'm picking Life over TaeJa, blame/give credit to stuchiu for the TaeJa prediction in the article when the games end :D
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
October 10 2012 03:06 GMT
#124
Mvp gonna show you why he's the best SC2 player in history.

Mvp 3:2 Rain
Long live the King of Wings
Ranir
Profile Joined June 2011
413 Posts
October 10 2012 03:14 GMT
#125
Great fucking games 2night, GGs for everyone watching it live, with IRL stuff I won't be able to watch it live!
Corsica
Profile Joined February 2011
Ukraine1854 Posts
October 10 2012 03:15 GMT
#126
Mvp(3-2) vs Life (3-2)
GrandMaster_07
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Peru52 Posts
October 10 2012 03:19 GMT
#127
GO TAEJA, KAPPA.
I am owning.
redviper
Profile Joined May 2010
Pakistan2333 Posts
October 10 2012 03:28 GMT
#128
On October 10 2012 08:02 Sabu113 wrote:
3-2 Taeja? Well aren't you being kind to life. It's pretty hard to see anyone survive Taeja v Z these days.

Gonna stay up and watch Rain knock the geriatric out. Double RR. Crushed hero. I want to see the hype about his other two matchups.


Except yesterday when Byul bent Taeja over and spanked the crap out of him. Life is a ton better than Byul too. Life 3-1.

zeratul_jf
Profile Joined October 2011
United States808 Posts
October 10 2012 03:33 GMT
#129
I really hope Mvp can stop Rain, ill cry if Mvp loses...
MCMXVI
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway1193 Posts
October 10 2012 03:35 GMT
#130
What an incredible preview! Thoroughly enjoyed reading it!
In capitalist America, bank robs YOU!
Tauscond
Profile Joined December 2011
United States181 Posts
October 10 2012 03:37 GMT
#131
Mvp, plz teach Rain how to play SC2
Mvp, Mvp, Mvp, Mvp, MMA, MKP
Tauscond
Profile Joined December 2011
United States181 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-10 03:39:08
October 10 2012 03:38 GMT
#132
Like someone said, if Mvp lose, I will eat my phone, cry for the rest of the week and never watch... Rain playing again lol
Mvp, Mvp, Mvp, Mvp, MMA, MKP
silent_owl
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines3098 Posts
October 10 2012 03:40 GMT
#133
On October 10 2012 07:52 JJH777 wrote:
Taeja didn't get mentioned in the little excerpt on the front page of the site. Only mentioned MVP and Rain/Life.


Is this a troll?

Anyway, can't wait for these matches to start.

I predict 3-2 with Rain winning it. I haven't been watching Life's rise to power so I'm just gonna go with my heart that says it's Life who's gonna win (so that Rain can take him out in the Finals).
"If you know your enemy and yourself, you need not fear the results of a hundred battles." - Sun Tzu
Tuxedo
Profile Joined October 2010
United States134 Posts
October 10 2012 03:43 GMT
#134
I want MVP to win so bad!
Dat Ax! I bleed Infinity Seven Black
Tauscond
Profile Joined December 2011
United States181 Posts
October 10 2012 03:44 GMT
#135
On October 10 2012 12:40 silent_owl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 07:52 JJH777 wrote:
Taeja didn't get mentioned in the little excerpt on the front page of the site. Only mentioned MVP and Rain/Life.


Is this a troll?

Anyway, can't wait for these matches to start.

I predict 3-2 with Rain winning it. I haven't been watching Life's rise to power so I'm just gonna go with my heart that says it's Life who's gonna win (so that Rain can take him out in the Finals).

Not at all.
I think by "one four-time champion, the best Terran player of the last three months" he meant Mvp.
We need something like "one very solid Terran"... for Taeja lol
Mvp, Mvp, Mvp, Mvp, MMA, MKP
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-10 03:45:36
October 10 2012 03:45 GMT
#136
On October 10 2012 12:38 Tauscond wrote:
Like someone said, if Mvp lose, I will eat my phone, cry for the rest of the week and never watch... Rain playing again lol


that's a bit extreme.

It's not the end of the world ( of starcraft ) if you lose in a tournament.
Tauscond
Profile Joined December 2011
United States181 Posts
October 10 2012 03:46 GMT
#137
WTF, Taeja just lost a TvZ game to Dark (who is Dark btw) in IPTL today?
What did he do? kept the build for Life?
Mvp, Mvp, Mvp, Mvp, MMA, MKP
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
October 10 2012 03:46 GMT
#138
On October 10 2012 12:46 Tauscond wrote:
WTF, Taeja just lost a TvZ game to Dark (who is Dark btw) in IPTL today?
What did he do? kept the build for Life?


He got BL/Infestor'd.
Soft`Soap
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada865 Posts
October 10 2012 03:46 GMT
#139
On October 10 2012 10:54 ch33psh33p wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 10:06 Soft`Soap wrote:
On October 10 2012 09:13 RobberFrog wrote:
The massive hype around Rain has started to bug me. He's definitely really really good, but not unparalleled. Squirtle and Symbol had similar runs earlier this year, and Life is busy doing the same on the other side of the bracket.


But By.Sun has only been fully dedicated to SC2 for a month. His last BW game was in September 9th, and you can't argue that he wasn't practising BW because he won his last 5 BW games.

The massive hype is definitely well deserved, By.Sun is a beast and I hope he becomes a double RR.



They've been doing 80% SC2 / 20% BW for months, so the excuse you're providing is flimsy at best.


I wasn't giving an excuse, I was only pointing out that By.Sun's hype is well deserved as his skill has grown exponentially since he picked up the game a few months ago
How long have MVP, squirtle, symbol, and life been around?
How long did it take for MVP to win a championship?
How long did squirtle, symbol, and life play before they became the powerhouses that we know today?
Sure, squirtle had some pretty stellar GSTL performances early on but it took him a long time to win enough games to get to code S

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TERRANLOL
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
United States626 Posts
October 10 2012 03:46 GMT
#140
I've been counting MVP out for too long. MVP 3-1 Rain, Taeja 3-2 Life
silent_owl
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines3098 Posts
October 10 2012 03:47 GMT
#141
On October 10 2012 12:44 Tauscond wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 12:40 silent_owl wrote:
On October 10 2012 07:52 JJH777 wrote:
Taeja didn't get mentioned in the little excerpt on the front page of the site. Only mentioned MVP and Rain/Life.


Is this a troll?

Anyway, can't wait for these matches to start.

I predict 3-2 with Rain winning it. I haven't been watching Life's rise to power so I'm just gonna go with my heart that says it's Life who's gonna win (so that Rain can take him out in the Finals).

Not at all.
I think by "one four-time champion, the best Terran player of the last three months" he meant Mvp.
We need something like "one very solid Terran"... for Taeja lol


I dunno, the best Terran statistically over the last three months has been Taeja. I don't disagree that Mvp is the greatest Terran ever in SC2 though. (Flash will soon correct this though.)

I really am a Rain fan but in all fairness, I'm not so sure he's gonna take this. I just hope it's an exciting match between Mvp and Rain. Hope it goes five games and hope they're all games that go back and forth.
"If you know your enemy and yourself, you need not fear the results of a hundred battles." - Sun Tzu
silent_owl
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines3098 Posts
October 10 2012 03:49 GMT
#142
On October 10 2012 12:45 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 12:38 Tauscond wrote:
Like someone said, if Mvp lose, I will eat my phone, cry for the rest of the week and never watch... Rain playing again lol


that's a bit extreme.

It's not the end of the world ( of starcraft ) if you lose in a tournament.


Yeah. SC2 fans have extreme views on losing and, apparently, slumping. I like how Doa pointed out that the gap between July's two OSL championships was three years. One BestOf loss in one tournament is no big deal.
"If you know your enemy and yourself, you need not fear the results of a hundred battles." - Sun Tzu
Fighter
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1531 Posts
October 10 2012 04:03 GMT
#143
I always root against MVP, but I REALLY want him to lose this time. Rain has something epic going on, and I wanna see him get to the finals.
For Aiur???
DeCoder
Profile Joined December 2010
Finland236 Posts
October 10 2012 04:06 GMT
#144
Taeja will 3CC and die trying, while MVP will cheese, and die trying. Calling it now!
OhSix
Profile Joined October 2011
United States252 Posts
October 10 2012 04:11 GMT
#145
Come on MVP. Work your magic.
What you preach is worthless, your worship defeat the purpose, like president Bush taking bullets for the secret service.
lessQQmorePEWPEW
Profile Joined November 2011
Jamaica921 Posts
October 10 2012 04:13 GMT
#146
I believe in 3-1 mvp and 3-1 taeja.
Why drink and drive when you can smoke and fly - Bob Marley
bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
October 10 2012 04:14 GMT
#147
Oh man this season has been so good Thanks for the write ups, it adds so much.
weeA
Profile Joined October 2010
India442 Posts
October 10 2012 04:16 GMT
#148
That was such a good read!!! Gogogo Rain vs Taeja Finals!!!!! The best GSL finals ever
Lim Yo Hwan I love U
MassHysteria
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3678 Posts
October 10 2012 04:16 GMT
#149
Go MVP!!
"Just ban all the J's...even jinklejoes" --unnamed source
trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-10 04:25:59
October 10 2012 04:25 GMT
#150
On October 10 2012 12:47 silent_owl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 12:44 Tauscond wrote:
On October 10 2012 12:40 silent_owl wrote:
On October 10 2012 07:52 JJH777 wrote:
Taeja didn't get mentioned in the little excerpt on the front page of the site. Only mentioned MVP and Rain/Life.


Is this a troll?

Anyway, can't wait for these matches to start.

I predict 3-2 with Rain winning it. I haven't been watching Life's rise to power so I'm just gonna go with my heart that says it's Life who's gonna win (so that Rain can take him out in the Finals).

Not at all.
I think by "one four-time champion, the best Terran player of the last three months" he meant Mvp.
We need something like "one very solid Terran"... for Taeja lol


I dunno, the best Terran statistically over the last three months has been Taeja. I don't disagree that Mvp is the greatest Terran ever in SC2 though. (Flash will soon correct this though.)

I really am a Rain fan but in all fairness, I'm not so sure he's gonna take this. I just hope it's an exciting match between Mvp and Rain. Hope it goes five games and hope they're all games that go back and forth.


Just greatest Terran? Definitely greatest player... at least for now.
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
October 10 2012 04:29 GMT
#151
On October 10 2012 13:25 trinxified wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 12:47 silent_owl wrote:
On October 10 2012 12:44 Tauscond wrote:
On October 10 2012 12:40 silent_owl wrote:
On October 10 2012 07:52 JJH777 wrote:
Taeja didn't get mentioned in the little excerpt on the front page of the site. Only mentioned MVP and Rain/Life.


Is this a troll?

Anyway, can't wait for these matches to start.

I predict 3-2 with Rain winning it. I haven't been watching Life's rise to power so I'm just gonna go with my heart that says it's Life who's gonna win (so that Rain can take him out in the Finals).

Not at all.
I think by "one four-time champion, the best Terran player of the last three months" he meant Mvp.
We need something like "one very solid Terran"... for Taeja lol


I dunno, the best Terran statistically over the last three months has been Taeja. I don't disagree that Mvp is the greatest Terran ever in SC2 though. (Flash will soon correct this though.)

I really am a Rain fan but in all fairness, I'm not so sure he's gonna take this. I just hope it's an exciting match between Mvp and Rain. Hope it goes five games and hope they're all games that go back and forth.


Just greatest Terran? Definitely greatest player... at least for now.


I can't even imagine how long it will take someone to out-achieve Mvp in terms of tournament wins, we may never be able to call another player greater depending on how long Mvp keeps on winning tournaments for.

I mean really who is going to beat 4 GSL's? NesTea, no, he's done ( sorry nestea fans ) MC, maybe, but I think unlikely. MMA? also unlikely. Seed? DRG? MKP? ( lol ) Someone new? Well they are going to have to start from 0 GSL's...good luck.
trinxified
Profile Joined December 2010
Canada7774 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-10 04:31:06
October 10 2012 04:30 GMT
#152
On October 10 2012 13:29 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 13:25 trinxified wrote:
On October 10 2012 12:47 silent_owl wrote:
On October 10 2012 12:44 Tauscond wrote:
On October 10 2012 12:40 silent_owl wrote:
On October 10 2012 07:52 JJH777 wrote:
Taeja didn't get mentioned in the little excerpt on the front page of the site. Only mentioned MVP and Rain/Life.


Is this a troll?

Anyway, can't wait for these matches to start.

I predict 3-2 with Rain winning it. I haven't been watching Life's rise to power so I'm just gonna go with my heart that says it's Life who's gonna win (so that Rain can take him out in the Finals).

Not at all.
I think by "one four-time champion, the best Terran player of the last three months" he meant Mvp.
We need something like "one very solid Terran"... for Taeja lol


I dunno, the best Terran statistically over the last three months has been Taeja. I don't disagree that Mvp is the greatest Terran ever in SC2 though. (Flash will soon correct this though.)

I really am a Rain fan but in all fairness, I'm not so sure he's gonna take this. I just hope it's an exciting match between Mvp and Rain. Hope it goes five games and hope they're all games that go back and forth.


Just greatest Terran? Definitely greatest player... at least for now.


I can't even imagine how long it will take someone to out-achieve Mvp in terms of tournament wins, we may never be able to call another player greater depending on how long Mvp keeps on winning tournaments for.

I mean really who is going to beat 4 GSL's? NesTea, no, he's done ( sorry nestea fans ) MC, maybe, but I think unlikely. MMA? also unlikely. Seed? DRG? MKP? ( lol ) Someone new? Well they are going to have to start from 0 GSL's...good luck.


Exactly... And it's not just GSL, Mvp got foreign tourney wins too.

It still baffles me as to how people keep discounting that he's the greatest player to ever play in SC2.
shabby
Profile Joined March 2010
Norway6402 Posts
October 10 2012 04:30 GMT
#153
Thank you for a beautiful write-up.
Jaedong, Gumibear, Leenock, Byun
Desiire
Profile Joined September 2012
Australia191 Posts
October 10 2012 04:31 GMT
#154
I would rather Rain vs MVP than Rain/MVP vs Life/Taeja

But for the sake of seeing a Royal Roader 3-1 Rain and 3-2 Life

#AllKingsMustDieButHeIsAGod
SlayerOfYou
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
58 Posts
October 10 2012 04:37 GMT
#155
alright, im going against the trend. Rain's days are numbered, mvp will prove once again while he is a living legend defeating rain in 3-2 series. although i have to say Taeja will win 3-1. Final will be mvp vs taeja where taeja will win after a crazy long series
silent_owl
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines3098 Posts
October 10 2012 04:54 GMT
#156
On October 10 2012 13:30 trinxified wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 13:29 Dodgin wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:25 trinxified wrote:
On October 10 2012 12:47 silent_owl wrote:
On October 10 2012 12:44 Tauscond wrote:
On October 10 2012 12:40 silent_owl wrote:
On October 10 2012 07:52 JJH777 wrote:
Taeja didn't get mentioned in the little excerpt on the front page of the site. Only mentioned MVP and Rain/Life.


Is this a troll?

Anyway, can't wait for these matches to start.

I predict 3-2 with Rain winning it. I haven't been watching Life's rise to power so I'm just gonna go with my heart that says it's Life who's gonna win (so that Rain can take him out in the Finals).

Not at all.
I think by "one four-time champion, the best Terran player of the last three months" he meant Mvp.
We need something like "one very solid Terran"... for Taeja lol


I dunno, the best Terran statistically over the last three months has been Taeja. I don't disagree that Mvp is the greatest Terran ever in SC2 though. (Flash will soon correct this though.)

I really am a Rain fan but in all fairness, I'm not so sure he's gonna take this. I just hope it's an exciting match between Mvp and Rain. Hope it goes five games and hope they're all games that go back and forth.


Just greatest Terran? Definitely greatest player... at least for now.


I can't even imagine how long it will take someone to out-achieve Mvp in terms of tournament wins, we may never be able to call another player greater depending on how long Mvp keeps on winning tournaments for.

I mean really who is going to beat 4 GSL's? NesTea, no, he's done ( sorry nestea fans ) MC, maybe, but I think unlikely. MMA? also unlikely. Seed? DRG? MKP? ( lol ) Someone new? Well they are going to have to start from 0 GSL's...good luck.


Exactly... And it's not just GSL, Mvp got foreign tourney wins too.

It still baffles me as to how people keep discounting that he's the greatest player to ever play in SC2.


Yeah. Mvp is the greatest ever now but he started from 0 GSL's as well and 0 foreign tournament wins too. It's really difficult and could prove to be even more difficult to surpass Mvp is he keeps winning but who's to say that some kid can't take over or some Kespa pro suddenly just dominate everything for an extended period of time?

No one thought anyone could surpass Boxer til Nada came along. Then iloveoov just owned everything until in the last days, Flash just owned everybody else. To make the case, Rain is young, Flash is still young and then we have kids who'll come in who have the potential to be just as great, dedicated and as obsessed with the game as Flash was with BW before and with Rain is with SC2 now.

Mvp is, undoubtedly, the greatest but people can surpass him.
"If you know your enemy and yourself, you need not fear the results of a hundred battles." - Sun Tzu
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
October 10 2012 05:00 GMT
#157
On October 10 2012 13:54 silent_owl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 13:30 trinxified wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:29 Dodgin wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:25 trinxified wrote:
On October 10 2012 12:47 silent_owl wrote:
On October 10 2012 12:44 Tauscond wrote:
On October 10 2012 12:40 silent_owl wrote:
On October 10 2012 07:52 JJH777 wrote:
Taeja didn't get mentioned in the little excerpt on the front page of the site. Only mentioned MVP and Rain/Life.


Is this a troll?

Anyway, can't wait for these matches to start.

I predict 3-2 with Rain winning it. I haven't been watching Life's rise to power so I'm just gonna go with my heart that says it's Life who's gonna win (so that Rain can take him out in the Finals).

Not at all.
I think by "one four-time champion, the best Terran player of the last three months" he meant Mvp.
We need something like "one very solid Terran"... for Taeja lol


I dunno, the best Terran statistically over the last three months has been Taeja. I don't disagree that Mvp is the greatest Terran ever in SC2 though. (Flash will soon correct this though.)

I really am a Rain fan but in all fairness, I'm not so sure he's gonna take this. I just hope it's an exciting match between Mvp and Rain. Hope it goes five games and hope they're all games that go back and forth.


Just greatest Terran? Definitely greatest player... at least for now.


I can't even imagine how long it will take someone to out-achieve Mvp in terms of tournament wins, we may never be able to call another player greater depending on how long Mvp keeps on winning tournaments for.

I mean really who is going to beat 4 GSL's? NesTea, no, he's done ( sorry nestea fans ) MC, maybe, but I think unlikely. MMA? also unlikely. Seed? DRG? MKP? ( lol ) Someone new? Well they are going to have to start from 0 GSL's...good luck.


Exactly... And it's not just GSL, Mvp got foreign tourney wins too.

It still baffles me as to how people keep discounting that he's the greatest player to ever play in SC2.


Yeah. Mvp is the greatest ever now but he started from 0 GSL's as well and 0 foreign tournament wins too. It's really difficult and could prove to be even more difficult to surpass Mvp is he keeps winning but who's to say that some kid can't take over or some Kespa pro suddenly just dominate everything for an extended period of time?

No one thought anyone could surpass Boxer til Nada came along. Then iloveoov just owned everything until in the last days, Flash just owned everybody else. To make the case, Rain is young, Flash is still young and then we have kids who'll come in who have the potential to be just as great, dedicated and as obsessed with the game as Flash was with BW before and with Rain is with SC2 now.

Mvp is, undoubtedly, the greatest but people can surpass him.


I'm sure that, unless the game dies off in the next few years, eventually someone will. The amazing thing is just how great they will have to be in order to make it happen, and that player will be truly someone legendary. Mvp's records set the perfect benchmark to find the next greatest player to come after him. It might take years, an upwards of 3 or 4 for another player to win 4 GSL's let alone with 5 and break his record. Make that six if he wins this season.
silent_owl
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines3098 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-10 05:06:55
October 10 2012 05:06 GMT
#158
On October 10 2012 14:00 Dodgin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 13:54 silent_owl wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:30 trinxified wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:29 Dodgin wrote:
On October 10 2012 13:25 trinxified wrote:
On October 10 2012 12:47 silent_owl wrote:
On October 10 2012 12:44 Tauscond wrote:
On October 10 2012 12:40 silent_owl wrote:
On October 10 2012 07:52 JJH777 wrote:
Taeja didn't get mentioned in the little excerpt on the front page of the site. Only mentioned MVP and Rain/Life.


Is this a troll?

Anyway, can't wait for these matches to start.

I predict 3-2 with Rain winning it. I haven't been watching Life's rise to power so I'm just gonna go with my heart that says it's Life who's gonna win (so that Rain can take him out in the Finals).

Not at all.
I think by "one four-time champion, the best Terran player of the last three months" he meant Mvp.
We need something like "one very solid Terran"... for Taeja lol


I dunno, the best Terran statistically over the last three months has been Taeja. I don't disagree that Mvp is the greatest Terran ever in SC2 though. (Flash will soon correct this though.)

I really am a Rain fan but in all fairness, I'm not so sure he's gonna take this. I just hope it's an exciting match between Mvp and Rain. Hope it goes five games and hope they're all games that go back and forth.


Just greatest Terran? Definitely greatest player... at least for now.


I can't even imagine how long it will take someone to out-achieve Mvp in terms of tournament wins, we may never be able to call another player greater depending on how long Mvp keeps on winning tournaments for.

I mean really who is going to beat 4 GSL's? NesTea, no, he's done ( sorry nestea fans ) MC, maybe, but I think unlikely. MMA? also unlikely. Seed? DRG? MKP? ( lol ) Someone new? Well they are going to have to start from 0 GSL's...good luck.


Exactly... And it's not just GSL, Mvp got foreign tourney wins too.

It still baffles me as to how people keep discounting that he's the greatest player to ever play in SC2.


Yeah. Mvp is the greatest ever now but he started from 0 GSL's as well and 0 foreign tournament wins too. It's really difficult and could prove to be even more difficult to surpass Mvp is he keeps winning but who's to say that some kid can't take over or some Kespa pro suddenly just dominate everything for an extended period of time?

No one thought anyone could surpass Boxer til Nada came along. Then iloveoov just owned everything until in the last days, Flash just owned everybody else. To make the case, Rain is young, Flash is still young and then we have kids who'll come in who have the potential to be just as great, dedicated and as obsessed with the game as Flash was with BW before and with Rain is with SC2 now.

Mvp is, undoubtedly, the greatest but people can surpass him.


I'm sure that, unless the game dies off in the next few years, eventually someone will. The amazing thing is just how great they will have to be in order to make it happen, and that player will be truly someone legendary. Mvp's records set the perfect benchmark to find the next greatest player to come after him. It might take years, an upwards of 3 or 4 for another player to win 4 GSL's let alone with 5 and break his record. Make that six if he wins this season.


That is a great point and it makes me smile to think that. Can you imagine how epic the times ahead can be?

Anyway, back on topic, excited for the semis, especially that I'm on break. I'm literally counting all the minutes before the matches.
"If you know your enemy and yourself, you need not fear the results of a hundred battles." - Sun Tzu
Entirety
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
1423 Posts
October 10 2012 05:20 GMT
#159
On October 10 2012 12:46 Soft`Soap wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 10:54 ch33psh33p wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:06 Soft`Soap wrote:
On October 10 2012 09:13 RobberFrog wrote:
The massive hype around Rain has started to bug me. He's definitely really really good, but not unparalleled. Squirtle and Symbol had similar runs earlier this year, and Life is busy doing the same on the other side of the bracket.


But By.Sun has only been fully dedicated to SC2 for a month. His last BW game was in September 9th, and you can't argue that he wasn't practising BW because he won his last 5 BW games.

The massive hype is definitely well deserved, By.Sun is a beast and I hope he becomes a double RR.



They've been doing 80% SC2 / 20% BW for months, so the excuse you're providing is flimsy at best.


I wasn't giving an excuse, I was only pointing out that By.Sun's hype is well deserved as his skill has grown exponentially since he picked up the game a few months ago
How long have MVP, squirtle, symbol, and life been around?
How long did it take for MVP to win a championship?
How long did squirtle, symbol, and life play before they became the powerhouses that we know today?
Sure, squirtle had some pretty stellar GSTL performances early on but it took him a long time to win enough games to get to code S



Honestly, Mvp won his championship astonishingly fast. He sort of took the scene by storm, suddenly reaching #1 on ladder by far and demolishing everyone in GSL January.

Now imagine that same Mvp, with nearly 2 years of experience on the finals stage, in every game scenario imaginable (except PvZ, ZvZ, and PvP, though he does offrace a lot...)

Now imagine your poor little Kespa player. Scared for Rain yet? You should be, because a certain GSL champion is going to have a second (or fifth!) helping! Go Mvp, you can do it!
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SniXSniPe
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States1938 Posts
October 10 2012 05:21 GMT
#160
I know I picked TaeJa to beat Life, but now I'm really thinking Life will win 3-1.


I also have a feeling MVP vs Rain will be a blow out.
silent_owl
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines3098 Posts
October 10 2012 05:22 GMT
#161
On October 10 2012 14:20 Entirety wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 12:46 Soft`Soap wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:54 ch33psh33p wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:06 Soft`Soap wrote:
On October 10 2012 09:13 RobberFrog wrote:
The massive hype around Rain has started to bug me. He's definitely really really good, but not unparalleled. Squirtle and Symbol had similar runs earlier this year, and Life is busy doing the same on the other side of the bracket.


But By.Sun has only been fully dedicated to SC2 for a month. His last BW game was in September 9th, and you can't argue that he wasn't practising BW because he won his last 5 BW games.

The massive hype is definitely well deserved, By.Sun is a beast and I hope he becomes a double RR.



They've been doing 80% SC2 / 20% BW for months, so the excuse you're providing is flimsy at best.


I wasn't giving an excuse, I was only pointing out that By.Sun's hype is well deserved as his skill has grown exponentially since he picked up the game a few months ago
How long have MVP, squirtle, symbol, and life been around?
How long did it take for MVP to win a championship?
How long did squirtle, symbol, and life play before they became the powerhouses that we know today?
Sure, squirtle had some pretty stellar GSTL performances early on but it took him a long time to win enough games to get to code S



Honestly, Mvp won his championship astonishingly fast. He sort of took the scene by storm, suddenly reaching #1 on ladder by far and demolishing everyone in GSL January.

Now imagine that same Mvp, with nearly 2 years of experience on the finals stage, in every game scenario imaginable (except PvZ, ZvZ, and PvP, though he does offrace a lot...)

Now imagine your poor little Kespa player. Scared for Rain yet? You should be, because a certain GSL champion is going to have a second (or fifth!) helping! Go Mvp, you can do it!


Not scared at all. Lol.
"If you know your enemy and yourself, you need not fear the results of a hundred battles." - Sun Tzu
lailaiwd
Profile Joined October 2012
United States65 Posts
October 10 2012 05:30 GMT
#162
If Mvp is in his best condition, every pro can retire already. He makes not a single mistake in his best games, and when he does, it's only to capitalize on other advantages. It's amusing how people have so much confidence in Rain, who has not proved ANYthing yet beyond round of 8 in GSL and OSL. Mvp my hero forever.
In Mvp I trust.
thepuppyassassin
Profile Joined April 2011
900 Posts
October 10 2012 05:47 GMT
#163
Despite his stellar record, I find that MVP is often presented as an underdog in the later stages of tournaments.. This is why even with a record 5th GSL victory, completely leaving other title holders in the dust, he'll never be recognized as a bonjwa, not without huge resistance from the community anyway.

I'm reluctant to jump on this bandwagon, so I'll stick with what's been tried and true. MVP 3-2!
czaku
Profile Joined June 2011
Poland429 Posts
October 10 2012 06:01 GMT
#164
Rain is a saiyan, when he is close to death and survives that, he gets 2x power! Rain unstoppable.
red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
October 10 2012 06:02 GMT
#165
On October 10 2012 14:20 Entirety wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 12:46 Soft`Soap wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:54 ch33psh33p wrote:
On October 10 2012 10:06 Soft`Soap wrote:
On October 10 2012 09:13 RobberFrog wrote:
The massive hype around Rain has started to bug me. He's definitely really really good, but not unparalleled. Squirtle and Symbol had similar runs earlier this year, and Life is busy doing the same on the other side of the bracket.


But By.Sun has only been fully dedicated to SC2 for a month. His last BW game was in September 9th, and you can't argue that he wasn't practising BW because he won his last 5 BW games.

The massive hype is definitely well deserved, By.Sun is a beast and I hope he becomes a double RR.



They've been doing 80% SC2 / 20% BW for months, so the excuse you're providing is flimsy at best.


I wasn't giving an excuse, I was only pointing out that By.Sun's hype is well deserved as his skill has grown exponentially since he picked up the game a few months ago
How long have MVP, squirtle, symbol, and life been around?
How long did it take for MVP to win a championship?
How long did squirtle, symbol, and life play before they became the powerhouses that we know today?
Sure, squirtle had some pretty stellar GSTL performances early on but it took him a long time to win enough games to get to code S



Honestly, Mvp won his championship astonishingly fast. He sort of took the scene by storm, suddenly reaching #1 on ladder by far and demolishing everyone in GSL January.

Now imagine that same Mvp, with nearly 2 years of experience on the finals stage, in every game scenario imaginable (except PvZ, ZvZ, and PvP, though he does offrace a lot...)

Now imagine your poor little Kespa player. Scared for Rain yet? You should be, because a certain GSL champion is going to have a second (or fifth!) helping! Go Mvp, you can do it!


GSL January was actually MVP's 3rd GSL. He was a novice in Open Season 2 and lost early in the Ro32 to Zenio. By Open Season 3 he was #1 on ladder and was the hipster darkhorse but he got cheesed out by Choya. Even if Rain doesn't win this season he's still ahead of MVP's pace.
PVJ
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
Hungary5214 Posts
October 10 2012 06:12 GMT
#166
I'm just gonna root for Taeja so the finals aren't a boring 4-0 for Rain.
The heart's eternal vow
Tauscond
Profile Joined December 2011
United States181 Posts
October 10 2012 06:13 GMT
#167
On October 10 2012 14:47 thepuppyassassin wrote:
Despite his stellar record, I find that MVP is often presented as an underdog in the later stages of tournaments.. This is why even with a record 5th GSL victory, completely leaving other title holders in the dust, he'll never be recognized as a bonjwa, not without huge resistance from the community anyway.

I'm reluctant to jump on this bandwagon, so I'll stick with what's been tried and true. MVP 3-2!

Always underdog. Are you idiot? He has been consider underdog this year just because he has an injury. But despite the injury, he still keep wining. That shows how great he is.
We don't give a damn shit about the "bonjwa" word. We just know he is the greatest SC2 player.
Mvp, Mvp, Mvp, Mvp, MMA, MKP
silent_owl
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines3098 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-10 06:28:51
October 10 2012 06:23 GMT
#168
When Mvp falls, it shall be glorious day.

EDIT: Just kidding of course. Just that so many Mvp fans taking things so seriously and personally.
"If you know your enemy and yourself, you need not fear the results of a hundred battles." - Sun Tzu
Azurues
Profile Joined March 2011
Malaysia5612 Posts
October 10 2012 06:27 GMT
#169
MVP 3-0

eZ PZ LEMON CHEESY
thepuppyassassin
Profile Joined April 2011
900 Posts
October 10 2012 06:29 GMT
#170
On October 10 2012 15:13 Tauscond wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 14:47 thepuppyassassin wrote:
Despite his stellar record, I find that MVP is often presented as an underdog in the later stages of tournaments.. This is why even with a record 5th GSL victory, completely leaving other title holders in the dust, he'll never be recognized as a bonjwa, not without huge resistance from the community anyway.

I'm reluctant to jump on this bandwagon, so I'll stick with what's been tried and true. MVP 3-2!

Always underdog. Are you idiot? He has been consider underdog this year just because he has an injury. But despite the injury, he still keep wining. That shows how great he is.
We don't give a damn shit about the "bonjwa" word. We just know he is the greatest SC2 player.



Read my post carefully. Judging from your sig I can understand why you would leap at my throat when you see underdog and MVP in the same sentence. I'm not calling MVP the underdog, I think he's the slight favorite. And despite being the greatest SC2 player, too often gets the shaft in predictions.
sudosu
Profile Joined October 2011
France120 Posts
October 10 2012 06:34 GMT
#171
Strengths
– Is Mvp.


I think it says it all.
silent_owl
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines3098 Posts
October 10 2012 06:34 GMT
#172
On October 10 2012 15:29 thepuppyassassin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 15:13 Tauscond wrote:
On October 10 2012 14:47 thepuppyassassin wrote:
Despite his stellar record, I find that MVP is often presented as an underdog in the later stages of tournaments.. This is why even with a record 5th GSL victory, completely leaving other title holders in the dust, he'll never be recognized as a bonjwa, not without huge resistance from the community anyway.

I'm reluctant to jump on this bandwagon, so I'll stick with what's been tried and true. MVP 3-2!

Always underdog. Are you idiot? He has been consider underdog this year just because he has an injury. But despite the injury, he still keep wining. That shows how great he is.
We don't give a damn shit about the "bonjwa" word. We just know he is the greatest SC2 player.



Read my post carefully. Judging from your sig I can understand why you would leap at my throat when you see underdog and MVP in the same sentence. I'm not calling MVP the underdog, I think he's the slight favorite. And despite being the greatest SC2 player, too often gets the shaft in predictions.


Same thoughts here. Mvp fans, chill out. You guys are so defensive.
"If you know your enemy and yourself, you need not fear the results of a hundred battles." - Sun Tzu
ultratorr
Profile Joined June 2010
Canada332 Posts
October 10 2012 06:35 GMT
#173
I'm gonna have to go with Rain. He just looks too damn solid, especially his PvT. But then again, Mvp always wins despite my never betting on him.
ppshchik
Profile Joined September 2010
United States862 Posts
October 10 2012 06:46 GMT
#174
MVP's weakest match up is TvP, but whenever he goes up against favorite Protosses he manages to pull off upsets.
Legends never die... they end up working in McDonalds.
Rhu
Profile Joined September 2011
8 Posts
October 10 2012 06:47 GMT
#175
MVP 5 times
Raid
Profile Joined September 2010
United States398 Posts
October 10 2012 06:50 GMT
#176
I hope mvp wins then gets his surgery and gets metal injected in him like Flash and become a second God.
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
October 10 2012 06:52 GMT
#177
Going with 3-1 Rain and 3-2 Life. I believe
Thorn Raven
Profile Joined November 2010
United States126 Posts
October 10 2012 06:56 GMT
#178
Mvp! Mvp! Mvp! Mvp! Mvp! Mvp! Mvp!

The matches tonight are going to be electric.
Thorn Raven
Profile Joined November 2010
United States126 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-10 07:02:41
October 10 2012 07:01 GMT
#179
On October 10 2012 15:34 silent_owl wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 15:29 thepuppyassassin wrote:
On October 10 2012 15:13 Tauscond wrote:
On October 10 2012 14:47 thepuppyassassin wrote:
Despite his stellar record, I find that MVP is often presented as an underdog in the later stages of tournaments.. This is why even with a record 5th GSL victory, completely leaving other title holders in the dust, he'll never be recognized as a bonjwa, not without huge resistance from the community anyway.

I'm reluctant to jump on this bandwagon, so I'll stick with what's been tried and true. MVP 3-2!

Always underdog. Are you idiot? He has been consider underdog this year just because he has an injury. But despite the injury, he still keep wining. That shows how great he is.
We don't give a damn shit about the "bonjwa" word. We just know he is the greatest SC2 player.



Read my post carefully. Judging from your sig I can understand why you would leap at my throat when you see underdog and MVP in the same sentence. I'm not calling MVP the underdog, I think he's the slight favorite. And despite being the greatest SC2 player, too often gets the shaft in predictions.


Same thoughts here. Mvp fans, chill out. You guys are so defensive.


Hey! Don't generalize! XD
FidoDido
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1292 Posts
October 10 2012 07:03 GMT
#180
Move RAIN, get out the way.
get out the way RAIN get out the way.
LGIMSeed FantasyToss~~ Hipster Seed fan before he made Code A
Chr15t
Profile Joined March 2011
Denmark1103 Posts
October 10 2012 07:12 GMT
#181
Why wasnt Waxangel responsable for making the Mvp - Rain writeup? T.T, oh well in the end this is the match i've been looking forward to like a kid on christmas. I truly believe Mvp will take it , and claim his spot as the unpresidented king of sc2 2010-2012

Mvp, its all up to you now
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Cartel
Profile Joined September 2010
Canada255 Posts
October 10 2012 07:22 GMT
#182
MVP being the best player in sc2 history is highly debatable. More than half of his GSL victories came at a time when Terran was statistically favoured in all matchups.
ShotgunMike
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden241 Posts
October 10 2012 07:22 GMT
#183
Highly unfortunate day to be at work.. Guess I have to have the LR thread open and refresh non-stop!
Hot_Bid: "B10" - ThorZain: "BINGO" - Naniwa: "Apologize! ¤%#¤#&¤% Terran IMBA"
Tendoi
Profile Joined February 2012
Romania62 Posts
October 10 2012 07:36 GMT
#184
I smell TvT finals...
I sleep more than koreans practice.
Phobbers
Profile Joined May 2011
773 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-10 07:44:40
October 10 2012 07:44 GMT
#185
On October 10 2012 16:22 Cartel wrote:
MVP being the best player in sc2 history is highly debatable. More than half of his GSL victories came at a time when Terran was statistically favoured in all matchups.

One doesn't win four GSLs and a plethora of other golds because their race was OP.
Along with a few silvers and high placements.
EG/C9/ALL/TSM
Mr_Z
Profile Joined June 2011
South Africa88 Posts
October 10 2012 07:44 GMT
#186
though it will pain me to see another TvT final I will back MVP and Taeja, learned long ago not to just write off MVP even if he is on one leg and only has one arm.
Always last :(
sluggaslamoo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
Australia4494 Posts
October 10 2012 07:44 GMT
#187
Now that it's raining more than ever
Told you we'll still have each other
You can stand under my umbrella
You can stand under my umbrella
Ella ella eh eh eh
Come play Android Netrunner - http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=409008
Dazu
Profile Joined May 2011
Norway32 Posts
October 10 2012 07:45 GMT
#188
Have you guys not learned anything yet?

What happens when you bet against MVP in a important match?

MVP wins.

We believe! MVP hwaiting!
eMGmoG
Profile Joined March 2012
Switzerland244 Posts
October 10 2012 07:48 GMT
#189
mvp is going to crush this nerd
Targe
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom14103 Posts
October 10 2012 07:51 GMT
#190
Mvp vs Taeja...

all terran finals!
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MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
October 10 2012 07:57 GMT
#191
Sickest dodge by Wax to not have to write the MVP vs Rain article
Nice article btw, I'm damn hyped about these games.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
herMan
Profile Joined November 2010
Japan2053 Posts
October 10 2012 08:07 GMT
#192
I'm shaking uncontrollably in my chair. These semis are made of epicness of biblical proportions.
Esjihn
Profile Joined April 2010
United States164 Posts
October 10 2012 08:28 GMT
#193
JONG jung vs YONG JONG JUNG what the hell :D
Moar Tanks, Less Skanks!
laerteis
Profile Joined August 2012
United States78 Posts
October 10 2012 08:28 GMT
#194
MVP > Life
MVP < Taeja
Rain > Taeja
Rain < Life

I think each player is favored against only one of the players in the opposite bracket. Very interesting final four this season.
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oneill12
Profile Joined February 2012
Romania1222 Posts
October 10 2012 08:28 GMT
#195
GOGO TAEJA GOOD LUCK!!!
peiopeio
Profile Joined August 2011
France20 Posts
October 10 2012 08:28 GMT
#196
As much as I love Rain's play, I would kill to see Mvp win another GSL. GOGO GENIE TERRAN !
xAriA
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States58 Posts
October 10 2012 08:33 GMT
#197
I'm so confused I don't know who I want to win. I play Terran, and want MVP to win, but Rain is also very awesome. I am agnostic on this issue.

On one thing I'm certain, Taeja is going to take down Life.
Fjodorov
Profile Joined December 2011
5007 Posts
October 10 2012 08:38 GMT
#198
On October 10 2012 16:22 Cartel wrote:
MVP being the best player in sc2 history is highly debatable. More than half of his GSL victories came at a time when Terran was statistically favoured in all matchups.


You are so wrong. There are so many things in this world that are debatable, Mvp being the best player in sc2 history is not one of those things.
liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
October 10 2012 08:43 GMT
#199
On October 10 2012 16:22 Cartel wrote:
MVP being the best player in sc2 history is highly debatable. More than half of his GSL victories came at a time when Terran was statistically favoured in all matchups.


Actually he won GSL Season 2 when Protoss were thought to be strongest...
i would really like to see who you think is #1 ^_^
Minelord Stimfestor, also known as karma.
shin_toss
Profile Joined May 2010
Philippines2589 Posts
October 10 2012 08:43 GMT
#200
I believe in Rain and Taeja! Go for double royal road Rain!
AKMU / IU
Sareth
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany1008 Posts
October 10 2012 08:44 GMT
#201
On October 10 2012 16:45 Dazu wrote:
Have you guys not learned anything yet?

What happens when you bet against MVP in a important match?

MVP wins.

We believe! MVP hwaiting!


So gogo everyone bet against MVP :D
So hyped for today, but sadly i only have the LR ._.
stupid work which is due tomorrow >_<
Opera
Profile Joined March 2011
France469 Posts
October 10 2012 08:45 GMT
#202
I need to move to another time zone. It sucks sooooooooooooooooooooo much to be at work during GSL !

Go Rain ! Go Life !
It ain't over till it's over
liberate71
Profile Joined October 2011
Australia10252 Posts
October 10 2012 08:46 GMT
#203
Any final has the potential to be amazing, simply because Life doesnt stagnate Z v P like the rest of the world
Minelord Stimfestor, also known as karma.
figq
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
12519 Posts
October 10 2012 08:46 GMT
#204
On October 10 2012 16:44 sluggaslamoo wrote:
Now that it's raining more than ever
Told you we'll still have each other
You can stand under my umbrella
You can stand under my umbrella
Ella ella eh eh eh
You can stand under my warp prism
You can stand under my warp prism
Ism ism ih ih ih
If you stand next to my head, you can hear the ocean. - Day[9]
vAtAZz
Profile Joined September 2011
France250 Posts
October 10 2012 09:00 GMT
#205
SKT1By.Rain is the new SlayerS_Boxer that we had 10 years ago, he's the one who will win most of the SC2 tournaments from now on, including this season's GSL Code S and this season's OSL. Expect him to see him more in the future.
I see so much potential in this kid.

SKT1By.Rain, they are yours, destroy them!
화이팅!
Talent is nothing if you don't have the constant desire to stay at the top. SlayerSBoxeR
[F_]aths
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany3947 Posts
October 10 2012 09:07 GMT
#206
Thou shalt not predict against Mvp in the GSL. Rain's run will be stopped here. He will be remembered as having had a suprising good run in the GSL, but the GSL is Mvp's turf.
You don't choose to play zerg. The zerg choose you.
Esjihn
Profile Joined April 2010
United States164 Posts
October 10 2012 09:09 GMT
#207
instead of Kpop i would like story time with nestea while i drink apple juice kk.
Moar Tanks, Less Skanks!
bbm
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom1320 Posts
October 10 2012 09:19 GMT
#208
Whenever I bet against rain in liquibets I regretted it.

Whenever I bet against MVP in liquibets I regretted it.

aaaaaaaagh
By.Sun or By.Rain, he always delivers
Thorn Raven
Profile Joined November 2010
United States126 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-10 09:20:19
October 10 2012 09:19 GMT
#209
Mvp hwaiting~!
It's cold, but I'm sweating, I'm so invested in this. XD Love it!
Esjihn
Profile Joined April 2010
United States164 Posts
October 10 2012 09:32 GMT
#210
only game one chill nerds GO MVP!!!
Moar Tanks, Less Skanks!
Thorn Raven
Profile Joined November 2010
United States126 Posts
October 10 2012 09:34 GMT
#211
Dang right Esjihn! Keep the faith!
Waya
Profile Joined October 2012
France1 Post
October 10 2012 09:39 GMT
#212
How can i see the match in SQ or whatever Quality you can give ??
MCXD
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Australia2738 Posts
October 10 2012 09:46 GMT
#213
Completely agree with predictions. 3-1 Rain, 3-2 TaeJa.
Thorn Raven
Profile Joined November 2010
United States126 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-10 09:47:02
October 10 2012 09:46 GMT
#214
Boom! Fuck yeah! Mvp!
Tauscond
Profile Joined December 2011
United States181 Posts
October 10 2012 09:50 GMT
#215
On October 10 2012 18:39 Waya wrote:
How can i see the match in SQ or whatever Quality you can give ??

Go to gomtv.net. Create an account (free) and chooses the free SG Stream
Mvp, Mvp, Mvp, Mvp, MMA, MKP
Esjihn
Profile Joined April 2010
United States164 Posts
October 10 2012 10:12 GMT
#216
DAMNIT MVP
Moar Tanks, Less Skanks!
Esjihn
Profile Joined April 2010
United States164 Posts
October 10 2012 10:30 GMT
#217
MVPPPPP<3 LOVE YOU!!
Moar Tanks, Less Skanks!
EnumaAvalon
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Philippines3613 Posts
October 10 2012 10:41 GMT
#218
The winner of Mvp vs By.Sun would take it all the way.
(._.) ( l: ) ( .-. ) ( :l ) (._.) They see me rolling. They hating.
Esjihn
Profile Joined April 2010
United States164 Posts
October 10 2012 10:46 GMT
#219
MVP SO GOOD. hell yes!!!!
Moar Tanks, Less Skanks!
Tauscond
Profile Joined December 2011
United States181 Posts
October 10 2012 10:47 GMT
#220
Fuck yeah Mvp Fuck yeah Mvp Fuck yeah Mvp Fuck yeah Mvp Fuck yeah Mvp Fuck yeah Mvp Fuck yeah Mvp Fuck yeah Mvp Fuck yeah Mvp Fuck yeah Mvp Fuck yeah Mvp Fuck yeah Mvp Fuck yeah Mvp Fuck yeah Mvp Fuck yeah Mvp Fuck yeah Mvp
Mvp, Mvp, Mvp, Mvp, MMA, MKP
Esjihn
Profile Joined April 2010
United States164 Posts
October 10 2012 10:47 GMT
#221
"Rain used all his best stuff. DIDNT MATTER, DID NOT MATTER!!!" -artosis
Moar Tanks, Less Skanks!
Tauscond
Profile Joined December 2011
United States181 Posts
October 10 2012 10:47 GMT
#222
Rain, who is you daddy lol
Mvp, Mvp, Mvp, Mvp, MMA, MKP
Portal-Life
Profile Joined August 2012
4 Posts
October 10 2012 10:47 GMT
#223
That was the most insane thing ever. Oh my god. GG MVP
LLoKKo
Profile Joined March 2012
Brazil18 Posts
October 10 2012 10:48 GMT
#224
Getting the sickest nerd chills right now.
k3n705
Profile Joined November 2011
Canada134 Posts
October 10 2012 10:49 GMT
#225
WHAT THE HELL MVP!!!
Sa1Nt
Profile Joined November 2011
Serbia15 Posts
October 10 2012 10:56 GMT
#226
Now, THIS is the best SC2 player in the world! A-WE-SO-ME! :D
IMMVP and MarinekingPrime fan!
Aber
Profile Joined March 2012
Sweden332 Posts
October 10 2012 10:59 GMT
#227
gg wp MVP, now for TaeJa to win his matches but i´d rather see a 3-0 / 3-1.. im tired as hell :D
Trying is the first step towards failure
teamhozac
Profile Joined April 2012
404 Posts
October 10 2012 11:01 GMT
#228
Its crazy that even pros feel the very top pros feel the need to cheese in TvP, something wrong with that picture
Mikku
Profile Joined June 2012
Czech Republic58 Posts
October 10 2012 11:02 GMT
#229
Mvp is the first Sc2 bonjwa, no matter what will happen. GG Mvp <3 !
teamhozac
Profile Joined April 2012
404 Posts
October 10 2012 11:02 GMT
#230
On October 10 2012 19:47 Esjihn wrote:
"Rain used all his best stuff. DIDNT MATTER, DID NOT MATTER!!!" -artosis


Artosis is such a biased douchebag
Revan1
Profile Joined May 2011
United States14 Posts
October 10 2012 11:08 GMT
#231
On October 10 2012 20:02 teamhozac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 19:47 Esjihn wrote:
"Rain used all his best stuff. DIDNT MATTER, DID NOT MATTER!!!" -artosis


Artosis is such a biased douchebag


artosis predicted rain to win against mvp. so how is he biased toward mvp? he made a statement. not opinion. fucking idiot.
Kill em all!
ch33psh33p
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
7650 Posts
October 10 2012 11:24 GMT
#232
All Mvp doubters step up and claim your consolation prize.
secret - never again
Greenei
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany1754 Posts
October 10 2012 11:24 GMT
#233
hahahaha how can you predict against mvp still?
IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA IMBA
smOOthMayDie
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
United States997 Posts
October 10 2012 11:31 GMT
#234
On October 10 2012 20:02 teamhozac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 19:47 Esjihn wrote:
"Rain used all his best stuff. DIDNT MATTER, DID NOT MATTER!!!" -artosis


Artosis is such a biased douchebag


Looks like you weren't watching. Artosis voted for Rain to win. It was a statement. I think youre the douchebag.
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Tauscond
Profile Joined December 2011
United States181 Posts
October 10 2012 11:43 GMT
#235
Well from now, I dare everyone to bet against Mvp lol
Mvp, Mvp, Mvp, Mvp, MMA, MKP
InoyouS2
Profile Joined December 2011
1005 Posts
October 10 2012 11:48 GMT
#236
Bonjwa.
IMMvp|fOrGG|IMNesTea|oGsMC|Liquid`Hero|DongRaeGu|Slayers_MMA|Liquid`TLO|MarineKingPrime|IMSeed
Tauscond
Profile Joined December 2011
United States181 Posts
October 10 2012 12:16 GMT
#237
That's it. Overrated Taeja got beaten so hard.
Consider how well Mvp can prepare for BoX matches. There's no doubt Mvp can take his 5th
Mvp, Mvp, Mvp, Mvp, MMA, MKP
Aber
Profile Joined March 2012
Sweden332 Posts
October 10 2012 12:16 GMT
#238
well, dont wanna take the win from life, he´s a great player, but i feel like that was more Taejas loss then lifes win.
Anywho GGs gl in the finals Life and MVP
Trying is the first step towards failure
Tangel0
Profile Joined June 2012
24 Posts
October 10 2012 12:17 GMT
#239
Life showed Imba Zerg
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33306 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-10 12:20:22
October 10 2012 12:20 GMT
#240
On October 10 2012 12:06 Waxangel wrote:
I'm picking Life over TaeJa, blame/give credit to stuchiu for the TaeJa prediction in the article when the games end :D


just making sure I'm double covered here D:
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winthrop
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Hong Kong956 Posts
October 10 2012 12:23 GMT
#241
thank you for predictions!
Incredible Miracle
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
October 10 2012 13:10 GMT
#242
fun thread ;p
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[F_]aths
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany3947 Posts
October 10 2012 13:23 GMT
#243
I had confidence that Rain's run would stop there. Mvp is a four-time champion. An aspiring royal roader cannot bop him.
You don't choose to play zerg. The zerg choose you.
Aunvilgod
Profile Joined December 2011
2653 Posts
October 10 2012 13:43 GMT
#244
On October 10 2012 20:02 teamhozac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 19:47 Esjihn wrote:
"Rain used all his best stuff. DIDNT MATTER, DID NOT MATTER!!!" -artosis


Artosis is such a biased douchebag


Artosis needs to hype. He Hyped Clide as well for no reason.
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Madars
Profile Joined December 2011
Latvia166 Posts
October 10 2012 14:15 GMT
#245
Porcelina could use some tips from Waxangel about the tattoo
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vthree
Profile Joined November 2011
Hong Kong8039 Posts
October 10 2012 14:20 GMT
#246
On October 10 2012 20:02 teamhozac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 19:47 Esjihn wrote:
"Rain used all his best stuff. DIDNT MATTER, DID NOT MATTER!!!" -artosis


Artosis is such a biased douchebag


All casters do this for the winner of the series. You get words and phrases like 'outclass','unbeatable in this matchup', 'have not seen X races play like this' even when the series is close. This is to build hype. If anything, Artosis was on the Rain bandwagon. Which ultimately is what cost Rain the series. No one can beat the Artosis curse.
LeLfe
Profile Joined February 2011
France3160 Posts
October 10 2012 14:28 GMT
#247
how many times will it take for you to learn: you can NOT bet against Mvp
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HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
October 10 2012 14:54 GMT
#248
predictions perfect as usual
Wildmoon
Profile Joined December 2011
Thailand4189 Posts
October 10 2012 15:16 GMT
#249
On October 10 2012 23:20 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 20:02 teamhozac wrote:
On October 10 2012 19:47 Esjihn wrote:
"Rain used all his best stuff. DIDNT MATTER, DID NOT MATTER!!!" -artosis


Artosis is such a biased douchebag


All casters do this for the winner of the series. You get words and phrases like 'outclass','unbeatable in this matchup', 'have not seen X races play like this' even when the series is close. This is to build hype. If anything, Artosis was on the Rain bandwagon. Which ultimately is what cost Rain the series. No one can beat the Artosis curse.


Mvp can.
Kasaraki
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
Denmark7115 Posts
October 10 2012 15:37 GMT
#250
On October 11 2012 00:16 Wildmoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 23:20 vthree wrote:
On October 10 2012 20:02 teamhozac wrote:
On October 10 2012 19:47 Esjihn wrote:
"Rain used all his best stuff. DIDNT MATTER, DID NOT MATTER!!!" -artosis


Artosis is such a biased douchebag


All casters do this for the winner of the series. You get words and phrases like 'outclass','unbeatable in this matchup', 'have not seen X races play like this' even when the series is close. This is to build hype. If anything, Artosis was on the Rain bandwagon. Which ultimately is what cost Rain the series. No one can beat the Artosis curse.


Mvp can.


Haha, well, Artosis always bets against Mvp. He was on the protoss hype train in Season 2 as well. :p
Sea_aeS
Profile Joined November 2011
1025 Posts
October 10 2012 16:13 GMT
#251
Ahahah people rly thinking Mvp is gonna loose x) Poor kids ...
cLAN.Anax
Profile Blog Joined July 2012
United States2847 Posts
October 10 2012 17:01 GMT
#252
Got the first three vids of Rain vs. Mvp loaded. It's gonna be a goooooood lunch. :-D

Taeja vs. Life will fit as a suitable desert.
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neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
October 10 2012 17:09 GMT
#253
well those predictions didn't go so well...
moo...for DRG
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-10-10 18:28:36
October 10 2012 18:26 GMT
#254
The previews are funny to read after the fact. Oh how wrong and silly they look now. All that text written only to be so wrong. It's a case of fluff over substance. If Life made mkp look inexperienced, then Life made taeja look like a LoL player instead of an sc2 player.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
October 10 2012 22:30 GMT
#255
Waxangel should have intervened before it was too late D:
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teamhozac
Profile Joined April 2012
404 Posts
October 11 2012 00:12 GMT
#256
On October 10 2012 20:31 smOOthMayDie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 10 2012 20:02 teamhozac wrote:
On October 10 2012 19:47 Esjihn wrote:
"Rain used all his best stuff. DIDNT MATTER, DID NOT MATTER!!!" -artosis


Artosis is such a biased douchebag


Looks like you weren't watching. Artosis voted for Rain to win. It was a statement. I think youre the douchebag.


I know he did genius, hes always backing protoss, thats my point
teamhozac
Profile Joined April 2012
404 Posts
October 11 2012 00:13 GMT
#257
On October 11 2012 00:37 Kasaraki wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 11 2012 00:16 Wildmoon wrote:
On October 10 2012 23:20 vthree wrote:
On October 10 2012 20:02 teamhozac wrote:
On October 10 2012 19:47 Esjihn wrote:
"Rain used all his best stuff. DIDNT MATTER, DID NOT MATTER!!!" -artosis


Artosis is such a biased douchebag


All casters do this for the winner of the series. You get words and phrases like 'outclass','unbeatable in this matchup', 'have not seen X races play like this' even when the series is close. This is to build hype. If anything, Artosis was on the Rain bandwagon. Which ultimately is what cost Rain the series. No one can beat the Artosis curse.


Mvp can.


Haha, well, Artosis always bets against Mvp. He was on the protoss hype train in Season 2 as well. :p


Hes ALWAYS on the toss hype train
bbm
Profile Joined April 2011
United Kingdom1320 Posts
October 11 2012 12:36 GMT
#258
Hey, quick question, why exactly does a pic of the black knight from monty python's holy grail feature behind Taeja?
By.Sun or By.Rain, he always delivers
RoberP
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom101 Posts
October 11 2012 15:06 GMT
#259
On October 11 2012 21:36 bbm wrote:
Hey, quick question, why exactly does a pic of the black knight from monty python's holy grail feature behind Taeja?

Seconded, the connection is seriously alluding me! You'd have thought MKP would have that as his logo, he never surrenders until all his limbs/production structures have been lopped off...
Go GOM for being python fans though :D
StatikKhaos
Profile Joined January 2011
United States214 Posts
October 11 2012 20:34 GMT
#260
Never doubt MVP!
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