What's on the line: One half of a legendary achievement: double royal roads.
Strengths – KeSPA trained, OSL and GSL certified. – Very strong, harassment heavy style of PvT. – Improves with every appearance, seeming almost invincible the last time around.
Weaknesses – Did not deliver last time he was in a similar situation; the semi-finals of ProLeague. – Has never played a player like Mvp in his element.
What's on the line: Going one step closer to five GSL championships, a feat that may never be matched ever.
Strengths – Is Mvp. – The most experienced and successful player in this situation. – Thrives as the underdog. (Also thrives as the favorite)
Weaknesses – PvT has traditionally been his worst match-up. – Large body of work for Rain to analyze.
by Porcelina
What a match. Tonight, we will see dreams, hopes, fears and unanswered questions be realized, denied and answered, in no particular order.
This could be a classic for the ages in terms of play. It could be a match we will always remember for how Mvp out-thought and outplayed Rain when it did not look like he had a chance. It could be a series that will forever cement Rain as a master of PvT, a legend in his own making.
It could also turn out to be an anticlimax in terms of how the games play out. One player could get an advantage early and ride it out without fireworks going off. If anything, the most hyped match-ups are often the most disappointing – when a championship caliber player executes his plan perfectly, his opponent cannot resist being crushed in an avalanche.
But this will be a matchup of significance for every other reason, regardless of how the games themselves play out. This is what many have been waiting to see for a long time now. Neither player has to win by playing particularly well; simply beating the other will be a legendary chapter in itself. For Rain, it means keeping his royal road aspirations alive and establishing KeSPA as the new world order, with himself at its head. For Mvp, it means winning against insurmountable odds once more, continuing to prove himself when he has already run out of things to prove, and leaping miles ahead as the best StarCraft II player in history.
The mind says...
It is hard to see how a player like Rain will lose a Bo5 versus Terran playing standard macro games. Of course, you must keep in mind that this is no ordinary Terran Rain faces, but Mvp, the greatest player in the history of the game. Still, it does not change the fact that Rain has played the best PvT we have seen. As much as Taeja might like to claim that his TvP is the weakest matchup in his repertoire, he has been the best at it for a while – and Rain utterly destroyed him in the round of sixteen. Not only did the games conclusively go in the favor of the Protoss, they showed that Rain was able to pick up on a weakness of his opponent and punish him severely while still looking as solid as ever.
If he had any serious weaknesses going into this match-up, Last was kind enough to give him a much needed check-up in the OSL semi-finals last night. Last revealed what he thought was the best plan to defeating Rain in TvP: all-in and pray (many other Terran players would have agreed). It was a plan that almost worked, but Rain came through in the end, reversing a 0 – 3 deficit to win 4 – 3. Whether this vaccination was successful or not, is left to be seen.
Mvp on the other hand has long lived with having his TvP associated with the words ‘weakest’ and ‘matchup’. Of course, he has been the most complete player in the scene and technically everyone has a 'worst' match-up. For reference, Mvp's 'worst' match-up was good enough to see him defeat three Protoss players in a row to win a championship two seasons ago.
Yet again, beyond the numbers of trophies, there's still reason to have doubts about Mvp. For a player who has seen so much success, it is surprising how uninspiring Mvp often looks against Protoss. He does not have huge holes in his game play, but neither does he blow you away like Taeja, MarineKing or even inconsistent players like Gumiho can at their best. He might win, but whereas he has introduced new standards for TvT and TvZ, he has gotten further in tournaments by tricking, cheesing and by exploiting flaws or mistakes made by his Protoss opponents. One could say Mvp drags his opponents down in TvP, as opposed to elevating his own play.
It does not compute that a player without clearly defined stylistic strengths should beat a player like Rain. Of course, there is the chance that Rain’s early game has the same holes that we saw exploited by Last. Mvp, and countless other tournament champions have demonstrated to us that being the better macro-game player is highly overrated. However, the reveal against Last comes almost as a disservice to Mvp. It is true that it is better to face an opponent you know has certain flaws, but it is insurmountably harder to face an opponent aware of them.
Just like the gut reaction is to doubt that Mvp will win, the brain makes it hard to believe that the Terran will be competing for his fifth title this season. Take away the name factor involved going into it, the safest bet would be on the Protoss to defeat the Terran in convincing fashion.
The heart says
Rain has been the biggest revelation of this season. His was the story of a player that everyone knew was good, but was capable of tropospheric highs that no one could have possibly imagine. As the the tournament progressed, we became witness to one of the most awe inspiring ascendancies in StarCraft II. The wildest thing is that the story may not be over. Rain has become progressively stronger throughout, and each time we have seen him play he has seemed more refined, resilient and self assured.
Mvp has faced many difficult tests before, but this will be the ultimate test of his powers of winning at all costs. While he won 2012 GSL Season Two against all odds – with Parting looking like a maestro of PvT and Squirtle emerging as the most complete Protoss to date – this again feels different. If anything, those encounters were similar in how last night's series between Last vs. Rain played out; a definite underdog finding a way to stay competitive through cheese. But unlike Squirtle, Rain survived such a series, and he's grown stronger once again for it. One must wonder what Mvp has left, what he has saved to overcome such a challenge.
This all feels very familiar somehow. Mvp looks beat on paper. He is facing a player that he should not beat except by invoking his power to defeat anyone by the unique property of being himself.
Everything that reason tells us about matchup analysis would lead us to believe that Rain is the favorite. But there is only so much about what Mvp has done in his career that can be explained by cold logic. And we have seen what has happened before when Mvp has been in this position.
It would be incredibly ironic if Mvp cheesed Rain out of the GSL just one day after Rain narrowly avoided such a fate in the OSL, and somehow it seems fairly plausible. Even though Rain should be better prepared and more equipped to handle the early game, Mvp will find a way to execute all-ins when he knows that Rain knows, showing that knowing is only half the battle. Because if Mvp cannot win off a single mind game, he is definitely the man to pull off a double or triple one.
And this being Mvp, the man who defies all expectations, who is to say he cannot win in a macro game? While we are occupied with what kind of trickery and deceit Mvp could use most effectively, there could not be a move more characteristic of Mvp by going the exact opposite way and crushing Rain straight-up.
For all the merits of predicting a smooth victory for Rain, there remains the fact that a part of us cannot help but to feel that we will be surprised one way or the other. It is impossible to say exactly how; it may be that Mvp’s history so far has made it clear that an exit in the semi-finals is highly unlikely. One thing is certain; Mvp will have analyzed the situation and will test Rain in ways he has not been tested before.
The conclusion
The StarCraft community has had a week to anticipate, to predict, and to salivate over getting to see Mvp and Rain fighting it out. Much has been written, much has been said. Most will agree that Rain should win. At the same time, and not mutually exclusively, many will expect Mvp to win despite the odds.
There are matches that come down to logic. There are matches that defy them. What kind will welcome us in the round of four is not known, but does it really matter at this point? The amount of emotional investment and interest itself is at a boiling point. Not necessarily because of fanboys, fangirls or their counterparts, but because this is so inherently fascinating. Sometimes a name is made on the back of a fantastic game. Rain and Mvp both already have names. And their legacies will grow regardless of the result, as long as there is a result.
We have seen a lot in the GSL. We have seen stars shine. Some brighter than others.
Some shine so bright, so consistently that they become the suns of their own planar systems.
Some shine with such intensity that they light up the skies but burn out in a blinding flash.
Mvp has become the sun of the GSL. Rain is the brightest, most ferocious new celestial object we have observed. On the day, there is no room for both. We may witness a spectacular supernova, one that burns more brightly than others before, but still one that fades from the skies to reveal that the world of StarCraft II still revolves around Mvp. Or the sun we know may be eclipsed and the brightest star will shine brighter than ever before.
What's on the line: Continuing his quest to win a GSL and prove that he is the best player in the world.
Strengths – Insanely good TvZ micro, especially in battles. – 9 - 1 all-time record against Life. – Uncanny knack for barely surviving Zerg rushes and coming back to win.
Weaknesses – Recently struggled against Zergs proficient at hive play, such as Leenock and VortiX. – Preference for greedy play is well-known and exploitable.
What's on the line: The royal road, and dispelling doubts about who is truly the best Zerg.
Strengths – Young and incredibly talented, constantly improving. – Likes to use a wide variety of strategies, especially ones that give him the initiative early. – Has become a very strong macro player since joining Startale. – Remarkable composure and confidence for a Code S rookie.
Weaknesses – Preference for early aggression is well-known and exploitable. – Yet to show top level play with late-game hive armies.
by stuchiu and Waxangel
Some would say this was inevitable. Life and TaeJa had long been touted as two of the prospects with the most promise, showing dominating performances on the ladder and in online tournaments alike. Yet, it took nearly a year, and two wildly divergent career paths for these two to fulfill their potential, and finally meet one step away from the summit.
TaeJa began on the NEX clan, a feeder clan into the pro-team ZeNEX, after being rejected from teams that had been his first option. It was an inauspicious start, but TaeJa committed to improving his skill and moving up in the world.
He soon earned himself a spot on the prestigious SlayerS team, and used his limited chances in the GSTL to impress by all-killing twice. He turned the ESV Weekly tournaments into his personal ATM, and fought his way out of Code B to qualify for Code S. Yet, with the SlayerS policy of favoring in-house players, MMA, Ryung, and Ganzi would remain forever ahead of him in the pecking order, whether it was GSTL appearances or receiving a rare flight to an international tournament.
TaeJa needed to spread his wings even further, and he received SlayerS' blessing to search for another team. A move to Liquid followed, where he continued his growth and capitalized on new opportunities. TaeJa learned the ropes at international tournaments, going from 'another Korean Terran' to multiple international champion. He went from a one-off player in Code S to one of its regular fixtures, and is now one step away from the finals.
In contrast to TaeJa's steady, self-made ascent, Life's rise to prominence was almost an accident – one that's equally bizarre and awesome.
Being younger than TaeJa and still bound to middle school, Life wasn't able to take control of his fortune the same way. He found a place on the bottom of the rankings ZeNEX team, eventually becoming their best player, but remained largely an online prodigy. Even Life will admit that he wasn't treating pro-gaming too seriously at the time.
Then, two things happened: ZeNEX was absorbed by Startale, and summer vacation started. Many people could have guessed it before, but ZeNEX hadn't exactly been making huge demands of Life as a pro-gamer. With time on and his hands and having been swept up into one of Korea's most skilled and best supported teams, Life moved into the Startale house and put major effort into pro-gaming for the maybe the first time.
On his own, Life had already been good enough to be ZeNEX's ace player, and make it into Code A. At the end of the summer, Life emerged as the the best player on Startale and possibly the best Zerg in in the world. It's as if the StarCraft gods were tired of waiting for Life to realize his talent, and decided to intervene on his behalf.
Whatever paths they took, all that matters now is that they are here. Generation change has been a long way coming, and it begins now.
TaeJa: The favorite
TaeJa has been carrying a prospective "best Terran in the world" tag for a few months now, but he needs to win this GSL to make it truly and undeniably his. Defeating a combination of Life and Mvp/Rain will leave no doubt in anyone's mind.
TaeJa's greatest strength must be his amazing micro, especially in battles. While the Terran race has strong harassment and infuriatingly good turtling capacity, their signature TvZ trait going all the way back to Brood War is their ability to fight incredibly cost-effectively. While Zergs have shied away from fighting Terrans without the support of their own signature units in infestors and brood lords, it's precisely the unsavory prospect of facing a player like TaeJa in the open field that caused them to play this way.
On the back of that, TaeJa does pretty much everything a Terran needs to do very well. He harasses doggedly, makes great decisions, and has an incredible knack for being greedy, absorbing a rush, and coming out with an economical advantage. At one point TaeJa was somewhat predictable in his preference for greedy play, but he incorporated cheesy builds and all-ins into his play as he became a championship contender. TaeJa's macro is probably his weakest area as he sometimes banks a large amount of minerals, but he's often microing well enough in the meanwhile to make it worth it. When you put it all together, there's no question that TaeJa is the best TvZ player right now.
Life: The Dark Horse
Life, the Dancing Ling, Young and Keen, And only fifteen.
Just a month ago, Life was a rising prospect that had a penchant for off-tempo play and all-ins. His unique, aggressive strategies helped him set the pace of the game and take the initiative away from his opponents. It was hard to tell whether it was meticulously calculated or just done on a whim, but Life's ability to switch things up gave him a unique advantage.
Since joining Startale, Life has reaped the rewards of being at a team house with multiple Code S caliber players. In addition to all of the tricks and sleight of hand he knew before, he became far more comfortable in straight out macro games. However, instead of simply imitating the turtle-hive style of many other players, he has taken the best of both worlds to create his own unique style of play.
His ZvT in particular, has been a great display of the Life style of play. Life finds that with Terran players expecting Zergs to rush hive, it's not hard at all to find ways to exploit defensively lax Terrans with aggression. The hallmark of his play is brilliant speedling usage to take back the initiative from the standard TvZ opening of hellion-banshee. By microing speedlings against hellions and backstabbing incessantly, Life takes the momentum early and keeps it for the rest of the game.
Even though Life's supposed 'weakness' should his lack of experience, so far it hasn’t affected him at all. Rather, in the round of 8, MKP looked like the inexperienced rookie while Life looked like the seasoned veteran. In that series, Life even targeted his opponent's mindset directly and tried to take advantages both in and outside of the game. After making sure he had the games in the bag, Life added in manner hatcheries and zergling dance parties in a deliberate attempt to discourage MKP. Unfortunately for him, Taeja also has an iron clad mindset and it'll take more than breakdancing zerglings to unhinge Taeja in the Ro4.
Overall
Both players know where each other excel, but somehow it doesn't seem likely they're going to change anything up for each other. They're both confident enough to think they can beat anyone in the world by sticking to their game plan, and this will end up being a direct clash of styles.
Taeja will use his usual gameplan, trying to get three orbitals up reasonably safely, knowing that the power of mules means he can afford to lose an early battle since he will be better set to win the war. As for Life, he will try to set the tempo with aggression as usual, confident that simply knowing his style won't be enough for any Terran to stop him. TaeJa will dare Life to attack, and Life will happily oblige.
When all is said and done, Taeja should take this but just barely. While MarineKing only understood offense, and more offense, TaeJa knows how to balance offense and defense, and greed and safety. He can't walk the razor's edge perfectly for the entire series, and Life is surely going to make him bleed. But if you add it all up, Taeja’s stability and solidity stack up just slightly better against Life's offensive ingenuity.
Prediction: Taeja 3 - 2 Life
Writers: Porcelina, stuchiu and Waxangel. Graphics and Art: GomTV and Meko. Editor: Waxangel.
On October 10 2012 07:52 JJH777 wrote: Taeja didn't get mentioned in the little excerpt on the front page of the site. Only mentioned MVP and Rain/Life.
Rain 3-2 Taeja 3-2 I can see all the games being really close, and I feel like these two would bring an amazing final. *Knocks on every piece of wood in my apartment.*
On October 10 2012 07:52 JJH777 wrote: Taeja didn't get mentioned in the little excerpt on the front page of the site. Only mentioned MVP and Rain/Life.
Honestly, Rain/MVP is the feature match-up. This is the set we ALL wanna see. Life/Teaja doesn't have 1/100th of the hype as Rain/MVP
Great writeup in terms of strengths and weaknesses. Looking forward to the games tonight, the anticipation and hype is definitely there for this season.
That was an amazing piece! I'm really enjoying Porcelina's writing. The part about Rain getting a "much-needed checkup" in the OSL was great.
I'm truly excited for these games tonight, more so than I am for most any finals match. I just wish it could be a best-of-7, as in the OSL match. Mvp may come to dominate, but it looks like there's a good chance that Rain has all the right tools to take him out. I'm definitely cheering for my favorite player, Rain.
Rain actually looked really weak last night to anyone that knows anything about TvP. Last played horribly in his 'macro' games, randomly pulling scvs after building a 3rd right after storm finishes for example. Rain looked extremely mortal, and I would even say Mvp is the favorite (if rain plays like he did vs Last).
Mvp let's go! Mvp 3-0 Rain, I must believe in our King. <3 It doesn't matter what you think, it doesn't matter what's logical, it doesn't matter what your gut says... Mvp defies them all, time and time again, until there is no choice but to accept his message: GSL #5 is going to be his.
Such a tough decision for these games :/ I want to see Mvp get the 5th championship, but I also want to see the reign of Rain(lol) go down in history. I wanna see him make it all the way. On the other side, I want to root for my boy Taeja, but as Startale fanboy I just feel the need to go with Life! So I'm going with Rain>Mvp and Taeja<Life. *Caution: extreme bias was used*
I think Rain is going to win against MVP but i hope that MVP does just for a TvT final of Taeja VS MVP to find out who is truly the best player and Terran in the world. Rain is good but to me it just wont quite feel as epic him in the finals over MVP altho im sure what ever finals happen it will be damn epic! GL Taeja and MVP!!!
On October 10 2012 08:54 Entirety wrote: Never bet against Mvp, never doubt the King!
No matter how hopeless it looks, that's when Mvp will pull out his best. Watch carefully!
Whenever I think Mvp is going to win, he doesnt (2012 Code S season 2 for example, I picked against him every game and I thought he would lose in Ro32 this season but is in the semis!!) and whenever I think hes going to lose, he wins.
On October 10 2012 07:51 EH.Devil wrote: 3-1 rain u kidding right?
This. How can you seriously still doubt MVP?
If Rain is weak to anything in his new SC2 careers, its mind games and early game and build orders. MVP is the King, with no other Prince to threaten, of these kinds of tactics. It's how he won GSLs, for crying out loud.
Even as his macro slips, his intelligence grows. There is no stopping MVP, he is going for his 5th GSL title.
I actually thought it would be the mind saying Rain and the heart saying MVP. This is despite a common mantra around here that i also follow: never bet against mvp
I think your predictions are about right. Couldn't be more hyped then I am for By.Sun vs Mvp, god I've been looking forward to this! Also I'm praaaaaaaying that TaeJa can pull this off against Life. I don't want that Zerg nobody to ruin my final..
The massive hype around Rain has started to bug me. He's definitely really really good, but not unparalleled. Squirtle and Symbol had similar runs earlier this year, and Life is busy doing the same on the other side of the bracket.
On October 10 2012 09:13 RobberFrog wrote: The massive hype around Rain has started to bug me. He's definitely really really good, but not unparalleled. Squirtle and Symbol had similar runs earlier this year, and Life is busy doing the same on the other side of the bracket.
Why, he's a KeSPA player. It's only natural that there should be hype around him, especially because none of the others are doing anywhere near as well yet.
This night just has such an aura of "most important GSL night ever" around it. I can't help but feel excited, any outcome at all is an exciting one, although I do want to see MVP triumph as David rather than Goliath this time around.
On October 10 2012 07:51 EH.Devil wrote: 3-1 rain u kidding right?
This. How can you seriously still doubt MVP?
If Rain is weak to anything in his new SC2 careers, its mind games and early game and build orders. MVP is the King, with no other Prince to threaten, of these kinds of tactics. It's how he won GSLs, for crying out loud.
Even as his macro slips, his intelligence grows. There is no stopping MVP, he is going for his 5th GSL title.
MVP 3-1 Rain
Bisu raped Savior 3-0. Since then, all arguments that start with: "How can you doubt ____" are void for the eternity of esports.
Is rain really proven enough to be the favorite against mvp? I mean mvp has way more history and a big resume proving he is good. We have seen not enough games of rain to even be statistically significant whether he looks amazing or not. The same thing happened with forgg with a giant hype train. Mvp is most likely to win.
Between a truly fearsome player who has shown brilliant play for all of... 1 month? 2 months?
Or someone who has been consistently good, winning a GSL in January of 2011 and February of 2012 (has anyone else won 2 GSLs so far apart? I thought not), winning an IEM as recently as last month, and winning major tournaments in between...
I'd go with the safer bet. Yes, Mvp is the safer bet here. We all know how risky it is to bet against Mvp.
Considering MVP loves to cheese Protoss, Rain must have been preparing for 1 base Terran builds for the past week, yet he still almost lost to Last's one-basing strategies. With all of MVP's experience, I think it's safe to say he can execute even better than Last.
On October 10 2012 09:13 RobberFrog wrote: The massive hype around Rain has started to bug me. He's definitely really really good, but not unparalleled. Squirtle and Symbol had similar runs earlier this year, and Life is busy doing the same on the other side of the bracket.
But By.Sun has only been fully dedicated to SC2 for a month. His last BW game was in September 9th, and you can't argue that he wasn't practising BW because he won his last 5 BW games.
The massive hype is definitely well deserved, By.Sun is a beast and I hope he becomes a double RR.
So that's it? They're just gonna play? Seems like there should at least be some kind of pregame ceremony or something for a match this awesome. Rain has been amazing but Mvp totally deserves his title as the best SC2 player ever. Mvp's defense is excellent and storm drops aren't going to work on him. On top of that Rain hasn't shown any ability to cheese so Mvp will be able to exploit that with greedy builds.
The two fastest growing players (Rain and Life) against two amazing solid Terrans. Dis gon be gud.
Yeah, I still think life will squeak out a win and now that I think about it I really hope he does for the sake of enjoyment. IMO if Taeja wins and MVP wins I don't love MVP's chances in drawn out tvt series and I don't want to put MVP down for TvT. Secondly I think that if Rain can beat MVP he will DEMOLISH Taeja.
Seriously does anyone who saw there last series think that Taeja can beat Rain? Rain has only gotten better and if he proves that he can beat MVP I would fear for a 4-0 sweep if he faced Taeja in the finals. Hopefully if this situation does take place Taeja has some personal time with Happy to learn his secrets
As much as I think Rain is probably the best player in the world compared to others... after seeing Rain almost lose to Last I can't imagine him beating a player who does everything the same as Last except 10 times as good. Mvp is the master of cheese and early aggression and I don't know if Rain can stand up to it. Also, unlike Last Mvp has the micro and end game skill to back it up, and I can definitely see him at least having a shot of taking games off Rain in a standard macro game.
I've always believed Taeja massively overrated and we'll see tonight if I'm correct or not. Just never been awe inspired by his play. He seems very rigid and with his refusal to build turrets against Rain I can't see him being able to adjust his play enough to take on Life's incredibly aggresive style. I think his Ling usage is just too good for a player like Taeja.
On October 10 2012 09:13 RobberFrog wrote: The massive hype around Rain has started to bug me. He's definitely really really good, but not unparalleled. Squirtle and Symbol had similar runs earlier this year, and Life is busy doing the same on the other side of the bracket.
No one has ever ever risen so fast as Rain has. And his late game PvT is undenibly by far the best anyone has ever seen to date in SC2. His late game play is simply the best we've ever seen in these 2 years of SC2.
On October 10 2012 09:13 RobberFrog wrote: The massive hype around Rain has started to bug me. He's definitely really really good, but not unparalleled. Squirtle and Symbol had similar runs earlier this year, and Life is busy doing the same on the other side of the bracket.
But By.Sun has only been fully dedicated to SC2 for a month. His last BW game was in September 9th, and you can't argue that he wasn't practising BW because he won his last 5 BW games.
The massive hype is definitely well deserved, By.Sun is a beast and I hope he becomes a double RR.
They've been doing 80% SC2 / 20% BW for months, so the excuse you're providing is flimsy at best.
On October 10 2012 09:13 RobberFrog wrote: The massive hype around Rain has started to bug me. He's definitely really really good, but not unparalleled. Squirtle and Symbol had similar runs earlier this year, and Life is busy doing the same on the other side of the bracket.
No one has ever ever risen so fast as Rain has. And his late game PvT is undenibly by far the best anyone has ever seen to date in SC2. His late game play is simply the best we've ever seen in these 2 years of SC2.
He is in no way over hyped.
No one has seen as much StarCraft 2 success as Mvp has. No one else has won two GSLs more than a year apart. No other Terran has won a TvP GSL finals.
You know who also had the best late game PvT seen up till that point? PartinG. You know who took that title after PartinG lost it? Squirtle.
You know who gave us the first clean sweep in a GSL finals? Mvp 4 - 0 MarineKing.
All I have to say about these predictions is that 2 GSLs ago, TL writers said "TvP is historically MVPs worst matchup, he won't win" against Naniwa, then "Parting has the best PvT in the world, MVP can't win", then "Squirtle has been unbeatable, MVP can't win." Perhaps there should come a time when TL writers go against what their head says in regards to MVP and always doubting him.
If anything was proven in the OSL last night, it was that Rain is susceptible to creative early game all-ins and pressures. The same thing that MVP did 2 seasons ago in the Quarter-finals and Semi-finals to break the trend of greedy protoss play. I would expect to see 1 or 2 games for certain attempting to catch rain being greedy.
On October 10 2012 09:13 RobberFrog wrote: The massive hype around Rain has started to bug me. He's definitely really really good, but not unparalleled. Squirtle and Symbol had similar runs earlier this year, and Life is busy doing the same on the other side of the bracket.
No one has ever ever risen so fast as Rain has. And his late game PvT is undenibly by far the best anyone has ever seen to date in SC2. His late game play is simply the best we've ever seen in these 2 years of SC2.
He is in no way over hyped.
No one has seen as much StarCraft 2 success as Rain has. No one else has won two GSLs more than a year apart. No other Terran has won a TvP GSL finals.
You know who also had the best late game PvT seen up till that point? PartinG. You know who took that title after PartinG lost it? Squirtle.
You know who gave us the first clean sweep in a GSL finals? Mvp 4 - 0 MarineKing.
Yeah, after watching the last Mvp match, I'm certain that Mvp can still win without wrists. Every time I think Mvp is washed up, he delivers. It's almost bad joke.
Taeja is the stronger, more consistent player. Life is the brighter player. I think we'll be seeing TvT in the finals.
On October 10 2012 09:13 RobberFrog wrote: The massive hype around Rain has started to bug me. He's definitely really really good, but not unparalleled. Squirtle and Symbol had similar runs earlier this year, and Life is busy doing the same on the other side of the bracket.
No one has ever ever risen so fast as Rain has. And his late game PvT is undenibly by far the best anyone has ever seen to date in SC2. His late game play is simply the best we've ever seen in these 2 years of SC2.
He is in no way over hyped.
No one has seen as much StarCraft 2 success as Rain has. No one else has won two GSLs more than a year apart. No other Terran has won a TvP GSL finals.
You know who also had the best late game PvT seen up till that point? PartinG. You know who took that title after PartinG lost it? Squirtle.
You know who gave us the first clean sweep in a GSL finals? Mvp 4 - 0 MarineKing.
Two can play at this game.
I think you messed up your first sentence *MVP
No one else saw that!
It's awesome to see that so many people trust in Mvp. At this rate, his reputation alone will beat players.
3-1 Rain? Anyone who claims to be able to predict how these games are going to go is full of it. No one knows how it'll play out, and you can never count out Mvp like that.
I don't know why so many people still think Rain is that good. Is this called overrated or overhyped? I agree he is a good player but everyone is talking like he is a 10 times GSL champion. I don't even know who is Last but he did 3-0 Rain. I'm sure as hell that Mvp will do 10x better than that.
Taeja - Life: hum, I think Taeja has been overrated as well but he is very solid indeed. More important, I dislike Life even more. He is a talent, the youngest player but what he did again MKP (ling dances...) are bad manners. His game plays are no special. Anyway, I hope and I think Taeja is gonna take it.
wishing for a TvT finals. Why? Because when my boy Taeja takes it home in the finals, I want him to do it against arguably the best SC2 player of all time!
Was a hard decision lol, tried to combine abit of heart & brains.
Mvp & Life through to the final.
Mvp 3-1: Who knows what Mvp has prepared, but if he executes whatever he has planned well I think it will be similar to his ro4 match against Parting in season 2. (my initial feeling is if the series is a longer one then Rain will take it... but its Mvp)
Life 3-2: Life looks like the most dangerous player this tournament, he's at the ro4 having only dropped 2 maps (in what is considered the most stacked code s ever). He absolutely dominated MKP last week, while I think this series will be alot closer I can't see Life losing it.
On October 10 2012 07:52 JJH777 wrote: Taeja didn't get mentioned in the little excerpt on the front page of the site. Only mentioned MVP and Rain/Life.
Is this a troll?
Anyway, can't wait for these matches to start.
I predict 3-2 with Rain winning it. I haven't been watching Life's rise to power so I'm just gonna go with my heart that says it's Life who's gonna win (so that Rain can take him out in the Finals).
On October 10 2012 07:52 JJH777 wrote: Taeja didn't get mentioned in the little excerpt on the front page of the site. Only mentioned MVP and Rain/Life.
Is this a troll?
Anyway, can't wait for these matches to start.
I predict 3-2 with Rain winning it. I haven't been watching Life's rise to power so I'm just gonna go with my heart that says it's Life who's gonna win (so that Rain can take him out in the Finals).
Not at all. I think by "one four-time champion, the best Terran player of the last three months" he meant Mvp. We need something like "one very solid Terran"... for Taeja lol
On October 10 2012 12:38 Tauscond wrote: Like someone said, if Mvp lose, I will eat my phone, cry for the rest of the week and never watch... Rain playing again lol
that's a bit extreme.
It's not the end of the world ( of starcraft ) if you lose in a tournament.
On October 10 2012 12:46 Tauscond wrote: WTF, Taeja just lost a TvZ game to Dark (who is Dark btw) in IPTL today? What did he do? kept the build for Life?
On October 10 2012 09:13 RobberFrog wrote: The massive hype around Rain has started to bug me. He's definitely really really good, but not unparalleled. Squirtle and Symbol had similar runs earlier this year, and Life is busy doing the same on the other side of the bracket.
But By.Sun has only been fully dedicated to SC2 for a month. His last BW game was in September 9th, and you can't argue that he wasn't practising BW because he won his last 5 BW games.
The massive hype is definitely well deserved, By.Sun is a beast and I hope he becomes a double RR.
They've been doing 80% SC2 / 20% BW for months, so the excuse you're providing is flimsy at best.
I wasn't giving an excuse, I was only pointing out that By.Sun's hype is well deserved as his skill has grown exponentially since he picked up the game a few months ago How long have MVP, squirtle, symbol, and life been around? How long did it take for MVP to win a championship? How long did squirtle, symbol, and life play before they became the powerhouses that we know today? Sure, squirtle had some pretty stellar GSTL performances early on but it took him a long time to win enough games to get to code S
On October 10 2012 07:52 JJH777 wrote: Taeja didn't get mentioned in the little excerpt on the front page of the site. Only mentioned MVP and Rain/Life.
Is this a troll?
Anyway, can't wait for these matches to start.
I predict 3-2 with Rain winning it. I haven't been watching Life's rise to power so I'm just gonna go with my heart that says it's Life who's gonna win (so that Rain can take him out in the Finals).
Not at all. I think by "one four-time champion, the best Terran player of the last three months" he meant Mvp. We need something like "one very solid Terran"... for Taeja lol
I dunno, the best Terran statistically over the last three months has been Taeja. I don't disagree that Mvp is the greatest Terran ever in SC2 though. (Flash will soon correct this though.)
I really am a Rain fan but in all fairness, I'm not so sure he's gonna take this. I just hope it's an exciting match between Mvp and Rain. Hope it goes five games and hope they're all games that go back and forth.
On October 10 2012 12:38 Tauscond wrote: Like someone said, if Mvp lose, I will eat my phone, cry for the rest of the week and never watch... Rain playing again lol
that's a bit extreme.
It's not the end of the world ( of starcraft ) if you lose in a tournament.
Yeah. SC2 fans have extreme views on losing and, apparently, slumping. I like how Doa pointed out that the gap between July's two OSL championships was three years. One BestOf loss in one tournament is no big deal.
On October 10 2012 07:52 JJH777 wrote: Taeja didn't get mentioned in the little excerpt on the front page of the site. Only mentioned MVP and Rain/Life.
Is this a troll?
Anyway, can't wait for these matches to start.
I predict 3-2 with Rain winning it. I haven't been watching Life's rise to power so I'm just gonna go with my heart that says it's Life who's gonna win (so that Rain can take him out in the Finals).
Not at all. I think by "one four-time champion, the best Terran player of the last three months" he meant Mvp. We need something like "one very solid Terran"... for Taeja lol
I dunno, the best Terran statistically over the last three months has been Taeja. I don't disagree that Mvp is the greatest Terran ever in SC2 though. (Flash will soon correct this though.)
I really am a Rain fan but in all fairness, I'm not so sure he's gonna take this. I just hope it's an exciting match between Mvp and Rain. Hope it goes five games and hope they're all games that go back and forth.
Just greatest Terran? Definitely greatest player... at least for now.
On October 10 2012 07:52 JJH777 wrote: Taeja didn't get mentioned in the little excerpt on the front page of the site. Only mentioned MVP and Rain/Life.
Is this a troll?
Anyway, can't wait for these matches to start.
I predict 3-2 with Rain winning it. I haven't been watching Life's rise to power so I'm just gonna go with my heart that says it's Life who's gonna win (so that Rain can take him out in the Finals).
Not at all. I think by "one four-time champion, the best Terran player of the last three months" he meant Mvp. We need something like "one very solid Terran"... for Taeja lol
I dunno, the best Terran statistically over the last three months has been Taeja. I don't disagree that Mvp is the greatest Terran ever in SC2 though. (Flash will soon correct this though.)
I really am a Rain fan but in all fairness, I'm not so sure he's gonna take this. I just hope it's an exciting match between Mvp and Rain. Hope it goes five games and hope they're all games that go back and forth.
Just greatest Terran? Definitely greatest player... at least for now.
I can't even imagine how long it will take someone to out-achieve Mvp in terms of tournament wins, we may never be able to call another player greater depending on how long Mvp keeps on winning tournaments for.
I mean really who is going to beat 4 GSL's? NesTea, no, he's done ( sorry nestea fans ) MC, maybe, but I think unlikely. MMA? also unlikely. Seed? DRG? MKP? ( lol ) Someone new? Well they are going to have to start from 0 GSL's...good luck.
On October 10 2012 07:52 JJH777 wrote: Taeja didn't get mentioned in the little excerpt on the front page of the site. Only mentioned MVP and Rain/Life.
Is this a troll?
Anyway, can't wait for these matches to start.
I predict 3-2 with Rain winning it. I haven't been watching Life's rise to power so I'm just gonna go with my heart that says it's Life who's gonna win (so that Rain can take him out in the Finals).
Not at all. I think by "one four-time champion, the best Terran player of the last three months" he meant Mvp. We need something like "one very solid Terran"... for Taeja lol
I dunno, the best Terran statistically over the last three months has been Taeja. I don't disagree that Mvp is the greatest Terran ever in SC2 though. (Flash will soon correct this though.)
I really am a Rain fan but in all fairness, I'm not so sure he's gonna take this. I just hope it's an exciting match between Mvp and Rain. Hope it goes five games and hope they're all games that go back and forth.
Just greatest Terran? Definitely greatest player... at least for now.
I can't even imagine how long it will take someone to out-achieve Mvp in terms of tournament wins, we may never be able to call another player greater depending on how long Mvp keeps on winning tournaments for.
I mean really who is going to beat 4 GSL's? NesTea, no, he's done ( sorry nestea fans ) MC, maybe, but I think unlikely. MMA? also unlikely. Seed? DRG? MKP? ( lol ) Someone new? Well they are going to have to start from 0 GSL's...good luck.
Exactly... And it's not just GSL, Mvp got foreign tourney wins too.
It still baffles me as to how people keep discounting that he's the greatest player to ever play in SC2.
alright, im going against the trend. Rain's days are numbered, mvp will prove once again while he is a living legend defeating rain in 3-2 series. although i have to say Taeja will win 3-1. Final will be mvp vs taeja where taeja will win after a crazy long series
On October 10 2012 07:52 JJH777 wrote: Taeja didn't get mentioned in the little excerpt on the front page of the site. Only mentioned MVP and Rain/Life.
Is this a troll?
Anyway, can't wait for these matches to start.
I predict 3-2 with Rain winning it. I haven't been watching Life's rise to power so I'm just gonna go with my heart that says it's Life who's gonna win (so that Rain can take him out in the Finals).
Not at all. I think by "one four-time champion, the best Terran player of the last three months" he meant Mvp. We need something like "one very solid Terran"... for Taeja lol
I dunno, the best Terran statistically over the last three months has been Taeja. I don't disagree that Mvp is the greatest Terran ever in SC2 though. (Flash will soon correct this though.)
I really am a Rain fan but in all fairness, I'm not so sure he's gonna take this. I just hope it's an exciting match between Mvp and Rain. Hope it goes five games and hope they're all games that go back and forth.
Just greatest Terran? Definitely greatest player... at least for now.
I can't even imagine how long it will take someone to out-achieve Mvp in terms of tournament wins, we may never be able to call another player greater depending on how long Mvp keeps on winning tournaments for.
I mean really who is going to beat 4 GSL's? NesTea, no, he's done ( sorry nestea fans ) MC, maybe, but I think unlikely. MMA? also unlikely. Seed? DRG? MKP? ( lol ) Someone new? Well they are going to have to start from 0 GSL's...good luck.
Exactly... And it's not just GSL, Mvp got foreign tourney wins too.
It still baffles me as to how people keep discounting that he's the greatest player to ever play in SC2.
Yeah. Mvp is the greatest ever now but he started from 0 GSL's as well and 0 foreign tournament wins too. It's really difficult and could prove to be even more difficult to surpass Mvp is he keeps winning but who's to say that some kid can't take over or some Kespa pro suddenly just dominate everything for an extended period of time?
No one thought anyone could surpass Boxer til Nada came along. Then iloveoov just owned everything until in the last days, Flash just owned everybody else. To make the case, Rain is young, Flash is still young and then we have kids who'll come in who have the potential to be just as great, dedicated and as obsessed with the game as Flash was with BW before and with Rain is with SC2 now.
Mvp is, undoubtedly, the greatest but people can surpass him.
On October 10 2012 07:52 JJH777 wrote: Taeja didn't get mentioned in the little excerpt on the front page of the site. Only mentioned MVP and Rain/Life.
Is this a troll?
Anyway, can't wait for these matches to start.
I predict 3-2 with Rain winning it. I haven't been watching Life's rise to power so I'm just gonna go with my heart that says it's Life who's gonna win (so that Rain can take him out in the Finals).
Not at all. I think by "one four-time champion, the best Terran player of the last three months" he meant Mvp. We need something like "one very solid Terran"... for Taeja lol
I dunno, the best Terran statistically over the last three months has been Taeja. I don't disagree that Mvp is the greatest Terran ever in SC2 though. (Flash will soon correct this though.)
I really am a Rain fan but in all fairness, I'm not so sure he's gonna take this. I just hope it's an exciting match between Mvp and Rain. Hope it goes five games and hope they're all games that go back and forth.
Just greatest Terran? Definitely greatest player... at least for now.
I can't even imagine how long it will take someone to out-achieve Mvp in terms of tournament wins, we may never be able to call another player greater depending on how long Mvp keeps on winning tournaments for.
I mean really who is going to beat 4 GSL's? NesTea, no, he's done ( sorry nestea fans ) MC, maybe, but I think unlikely. MMA? also unlikely. Seed? DRG? MKP? ( lol ) Someone new? Well they are going to have to start from 0 GSL's...good luck.
Exactly... And it's not just GSL, Mvp got foreign tourney wins too.
It still baffles me as to how people keep discounting that he's the greatest player to ever play in SC2.
Yeah. Mvp is the greatest ever now but he started from 0 GSL's as well and 0 foreign tournament wins too. It's really difficult and could prove to be even more difficult to surpass Mvp is he keeps winning but who's to say that some kid can't take over or some Kespa pro suddenly just dominate everything for an extended period of time?
No one thought anyone could surpass Boxer til Nada came along. Then iloveoov just owned everything until in the last days, Flash just owned everybody else. To make the case, Rain is young, Flash is still young and then we have kids who'll come in who have the potential to be just as great, dedicated and as obsessed with the game as Flash was with BW before and with Rain is with SC2 now.
Mvp is, undoubtedly, the greatest but people can surpass him.
I'm sure that, unless the game dies off in the next few years, eventually someone will. The amazing thing is just how great they will have to be in order to make it happen, and that player will be truly someone legendary. Mvp's records set the perfect benchmark to find the next greatest player to come after him. It might take years, an upwards of 3 or 4 for another player to win 4 GSL's let alone with 5 and break his record. Make that six if he wins this season.
On October 10 2012 07:52 JJH777 wrote: Taeja didn't get mentioned in the little excerpt on the front page of the site. Only mentioned MVP and Rain/Life.
Is this a troll?
Anyway, can't wait for these matches to start.
I predict 3-2 with Rain winning it. I haven't been watching Life's rise to power so I'm just gonna go with my heart that says it's Life who's gonna win (so that Rain can take him out in the Finals).
Not at all. I think by "one four-time champion, the best Terran player of the last three months" he meant Mvp. We need something like "one very solid Terran"... for Taeja lol
I dunno, the best Terran statistically over the last three months has been Taeja. I don't disagree that Mvp is the greatest Terran ever in SC2 though. (Flash will soon correct this though.)
I really am a Rain fan but in all fairness, I'm not so sure he's gonna take this. I just hope it's an exciting match between Mvp and Rain. Hope it goes five games and hope they're all games that go back and forth.
Just greatest Terran? Definitely greatest player... at least for now.
I can't even imagine how long it will take someone to out-achieve Mvp in terms of tournament wins, we may never be able to call another player greater depending on how long Mvp keeps on winning tournaments for.
I mean really who is going to beat 4 GSL's? NesTea, no, he's done ( sorry nestea fans ) MC, maybe, but I think unlikely. MMA? also unlikely. Seed? DRG? MKP? ( lol ) Someone new? Well they are going to have to start from 0 GSL's...good luck.
Exactly... And it's not just GSL, Mvp got foreign tourney wins too.
It still baffles me as to how people keep discounting that he's the greatest player to ever play in SC2.
Yeah. Mvp is the greatest ever now but he started from 0 GSL's as well and 0 foreign tournament wins too. It's really difficult and could prove to be even more difficult to surpass Mvp is he keeps winning but who's to say that some kid can't take over or some Kespa pro suddenly just dominate everything for an extended period of time?
No one thought anyone could surpass Boxer til Nada came along. Then iloveoov just owned everything until in the last days, Flash just owned everybody else. To make the case, Rain is young, Flash is still young and then we have kids who'll come in who have the potential to be just as great, dedicated and as obsessed with the game as Flash was with BW before and with Rain is with SC2 now.
Mvp is, undoubtedly, the greatest but people can surpass him.
I'm sure that, unless the game dies off in the next few years, eventually someone will. The amazing thing is just how great they will have to be in order to make it happen, and that player will be truly someone legendary. Mvp's records set the perfect benchmark to find the next greatest player to come after him. It might take years, an upwards of 3 or 4 for another player to win 4 GSL's let alone with 5 and break his record. Make that six if he wins this season.
That is a great point and it makes me smile to think that. Can you imagine how epic the times ahead can be?
Anyway, back on topic, excited for the semis, especially that I'm on break. I'm literally counting all the minutes before the matches.
On October 10 2012 09:13 RobberFrog wrote: The massive hype around Rain has started to bug me. He's definitely really really good, but not unparalleled. Squirtle and Symbol had similar runs earlier this year, and Life is busy doing the same on the other side of the bracket.
But By.Sun has only been fully dedicated to SC2 for a month. His last BW game was in September 9th, and you can't argue that he wasn't practising BW because he won his last 5 BW games.
The massive hype is definitely well deserved, By.Sun is a beast and I hope he becomes a double RR.
They've been doing 80% SC2 / 20% BW for months, so the excuse you're providing is flimsy at best.
I wasn't giving an excuse, I was only pointing out that By.Sun's hype is well deserved as his skill has grown exponentially since he picked up the game a few months ago How long have MVP, squirtle, symbol, and life been around? How long did it take for MVP to win a championship? How long did squirtle, symbol, and life play before they became the powerhouses that we know today? Sure, squirtle had some pretty stellar GSTL performances early on but it took him a long time to win enough games to get to code S
Honestly, Mvp won his championship astonishingly fast. He sort of took the scene by storm, suddenly reaching #1 on ladder by far and demolishing everyone in GSL January.
Now imagine that same Mvp, with nearly 2 years of experience on the finals stage, in every game scenario imaginable (except PvZ, ZvZ, and PvP, though he does offrace a lot...)
Now imagine your poor little Kespa player. Scared for Rain yet? You should be, because a certain GSL champion is going to have a second (or fifth!) helping! Go Mvp, you can do it!
On October 10 2012 09:13 RobberFrog wrote: The massive hype around Rain has started to bug me. He's definitely really really good, but not unparalleled. Squirtle and Symbol had similar runs earlier this year, and Life is busy doing the same on the other side of the bracket.
But By.Sun has only been fully dedicated to SC2 for a month. His last BW game was in September 9th, and you can't argue that he wasn't practising BW because he won his last 5 BW games.
The massive hype is definitely well deserved, By.Sun is a beast and I hope he becomes a double RR.
They've been doing 80% SC2 / 20% BW for months, so the excuse you're providing is flimsy at best.
I wasn't giving an excuse, I was only pointing out that By.Sun's hype is well deserved as his skill has grown exponentially since he picked up the game a few months ago How long have MVP, squirtle, symbol, and life been around? How long did it take for MVP to win a championship? How long did squirtle, symbol, and life play before they became the powerhouses that we know today? Sure, squirtle had some pretty stellar GSTL performances early on but it took him a long time to win enough games to get to code S
Honestly, Mvp won his championship astonishingly fast. He sort of took the scene by storm, suddenly reaching #1 on ladder by far and demolishing everyone in GSL January.
Now imagine that same Mvp, with nearly 2 years of experience on the finals stage, in every game scenario imaginable (except PvZ, ZvZ, and PvP, though he does offrace a lot...)
Now imagine your poor little Kespa player. Scared for Rain yet? You should be, because a certain GSL champion is going to have a second (or fifth!) helping! Go Mvp, you can do it!
If Mvp is in his best condition, every pro can retire already. He makes not a single mistake in his best games, and when he does, it's only to capitalize on other advantages. It's amusing how people have so much confidence in Rain, who has not proved ANYthing yet beyond round of 8 in GSL and OSL. Mvp my hero forever.
Despite his stellar record, I find that MVP is often presented as an underdog in the later stages of tournaments.. This is why even with a record 5th GSL victory, completely leaving other title holders in the dust, he'll never be recognized as a bonjwa, not without huge resistance from the community anyway.
I'm reluctant to jump on this bandwagon, so I'll stick with what's been tried and true. MVP 3-2!
On October 10 2012 09:13 RobberFrog wrote: The massive hype around Rain has started to bug me. He's definitely really really good, but not unparalleled. Squirtle and Symbol had similar runs earlier this year, and Life is busy doing the same on the other side of the bracket.
But By.Sun has only been fully dedicated to SC2 for a month. His last BW game was in September 9th, and you can't argue that he wasn't practising BW because he won his last 5 BW games.
The massive hype is definitely well deserved, By.Sun is a beast and I hope he becomes a double RR.
They've been doing 80% SC2 / 20% BW for months, so the excuse you're providing is flimsy at best.
I wasn't giving an excuse, I was only pointing out that By.Sun's hype is well deserved as his skill has grown exponentially since he picked up the game a few months ago How long have MVP, squirtle, symbol, and life been around? How long did it take for MVP to win a championship? How long did squirtle, symbol, and life play before they became the powerhouses that we know today? Sure, squirtle had some pretty stellar GSTL performances early on but it took him a long time to win enough games to get to code S
Honestly, Mvp won his championship astonishingly fast. He sort of took the scene by storm, suddenly reaching #1 on ladder by far and demolishing everyone in GSL January.
Now imagine that same Mvp, with nearly 2 years of experience on the finals stage, in every game scenario imaginable (except PvZ, ZvZ, and PvP, though he does offrace a lot...)
Now imagine your poor little Kespa player. Scared for Rain yet? You should be, because a certain GSL champion is going to have a second (or fifth!) helping! Go Mvp, you can do it!
GSL January was actually MVP's 3rd GSL. He was a novice in Open Season 2 and lost early in the Ro32 to Zenio. By Open Season 3 he was #1 on ladder and was the hipster darkhorse but he got cheesed out by Choya. Even if Rain doesn't win this season he's still ahead of MVP's pace.
On October 10 2012 14:47 thepuppyassassin wrote: Despite his stellar record, I find that MVP is often presented as an underdog in the later stages of tournaments.. This is why even with a record 5th GSL victory, completely leaving other title holders in the dust, he'll never be recognized as a bonjwa, not without huge resistance from the community anyway.
I'm reluctant to jump on this bandwagon, so I'll stick with what's been tried and true. MVP 3-2!
Always underdog. Are you idiot? He has been consider underdog this year just because he has an injury. But despite the injury, he still keep wining. That shows how great he is. We don't give a damn shit about the "bonjwa" word. We just know he is the greatest SC2 player.
On October 10 2012 14:47 thepuppyassassin wrote: Despite his stellar record, I find that MVP is often presented as an underdog in the later stages of tournaments.. This is why even with a record 5th GSL victory, completely leaving other title holders in the dust, he'll never be recognized as a bonjwa, not without huge resistance from the community anyway.
I'm reluctant to jump on this bandwagon, so I'll stick with what's been tried and true. MVP 3-2!
Always underdog. Are you idiot? He has been consider underdog this year just because he has an injury. But despite the injury, he still keep wining. That shows how great he is. We don't give a damn shit about the "bonjwa" word. We just know he is the greatest SC2 player.
Read my post carefully. Judging from your sig I can understand why you would leap at my throat when you see underdog and MVP in the same sentence. I'm not calling MVP the underdog, I think he's the slight favorite. And despite being the greatest SC2 player, too often gets the shaft in predictions.
On October 10 2012 14:47 thepuppyassassin wrote: Despite his stellar record, I find that MVP is often presented as an underdog in the later stages of tournaments.. This is why even with a record 5th GSL victory, completely leaving other title holders in the dust, he'll never be recognized as a bonjwa, not without huge resistance from the community anyway.
I'm reluctant to jump on this bandwagon, so I'll stick with what's been tried and true. MVP 3-2!
Always underdog. Are you idiot? He has been consider underdog this year just because he has an injury. But despite the injury, he still keep wining. That shows how great he is. We don't give a damn shit about the "bonjwa" word. We just know he is the greatest SC2 player.
Read my post carefully. Judging from your sig I can understand why you would leap at my throat when you see underdog and MVP in the same sentence. I'm not calling MVP the underdog, I think he's the slight favorite. And despite being the greatest SC2 player, too often gets the shaft in predictions.
Same thoughts here. Mvp fans, chill out. You guys are so defensive.
On October 10 2012 14:47 thepuppyassassin wrote: Despite his stellar record, I find that MVP is often presented as an underdog in the later stages of tournaments.. This is why even with a record 5th GSL victory, completely leaving other title holders in the dust, he'll never be recognized as a bonjwa, not without huge resistance from the community anyway.
I'm reluctant to jump on this bandwagon, so I'll stick with what's been tried and true. MVP 3-2!
Always underdog. Are you idiot? He has been consider underdog this year just because he has an injury. But despite the injury, he still keep wining. That shows how great he is. We don't give a damn shit about the "bonjwa" word. We just know he is the greatest SC2 player.
Read my post carefully. Judging from your sig I can understand why you would leap at my throat when you see underdog and MVP in the same sentence. I'm not calling MVP the underdog, I think he's the slight favorite. And despite being the greatest SC2 player, too often gets the shaft in predictions.
Same thoughts here. Mvp fans, chill out. You guys are so defensive.
Why wasnt Waxangel responsable for making the Mvp - Rain writeup? T.T, oh well in the end this is the match i've been looking forward to like a kid on christmas. I truly believe Mvp will take it , and claim his spot as the unpresidented king of sc2 2010-2012
MVP being the best player in sc2 history is highly debatable. More than half of his GSL victories came at a time when Terran was statistically favoured in all matchups.
On October 10 2012 16:22 Cartel wrote: MVP being the best player in sc2 history is highly debatable. More than half of his GSL victories came at a time when Terran was statistically favoured in all matchups.
One doesn't win four GSLs and a plethora of other golds because their race was OP. Along with a few silvers and high placements.
though it will pain me to see another TvT final I will back MVP and Taeja, learned long ago not to just write off MVP even if he is on one leg and only has one arm.
Now that it's raining more than ever Told you we'll still have each other You can stand under my umbrella You can stand under my umbrella Ella ella eh eh eh
On October 10 2012 16:22 Cartel wrote: MVP being the best player in sc2 history is highly debatable. More than half of his GSL victories came at a time when Terran was statistically favoured in all matchups.
You are so wrong. There are so many things in this world that are debatable, Mvp being the best player in sc2 history is not one of those things.
On October 10 2012 16:22 Cartel wrote: MVP being the best player in sc2 history is highly debatable. More than half of his GSL victories came at a time when Terran was statistically favoured in all matchups.
Actually he won GSL Season 2 when Protoss were thought to be strongest... i would really like to see who you think is #1 ^_^
On October 10 2012 16:44 sluggaslamoo wrote: Now that it's raining more than ever Told you we'll still have each other You can stand under my umbrella You can stand under my umbrella Ella ella eh eh eh
You can stand under my warp prism You can stand under my warp prism Ism ism ih ih ih
SKT1By.Rain is the new SlayerS_Boxer that we had 10 years ago, he's the one who will win most of the SC2 tournaments from now on, including this season's GSL Code S and this season's OSL. Expect him to see him more in the future. I see so much potential in this kid.
Thou shalt not predict against Mvp in the GSL. Rain's run will be stopped here. He will be remembered as having had a suprising good run in the GSL, but the GSL is Mvp's turf.
well, dont wanna take the win from life, he´s a great player, but i feel like that was more Taejas loss then lifes win. Anywho GGs gl in the finals Life and MVP
On October 10 2012 12:06 Waxangel wrote: I'm picking Life over TaeJa, blame/give credit to stuchiu for the TaeJa prediction in the article when the games end :D
On October 10 2012 19:47 Esjihn wrote: "Rain used all his best stuff. DIDNT MATTER, DID NOT MATTER!!!" -artosis
Artosis is such a biased douchebag
All casters do this for the winner of the series. You get words and phrases like 'outclass','unbeatable in this matchup', 'have not seen X races play like this' even when the series is close. This is to build hype. If anything, Artosis was on the Rain bandwagon. Which ultimately is what cost Rain the series. No one can beat the Artosis curse.
On October 10 2012 19:47 Esjihn wrote: "Rain used all his best stuff. DIDNT MATTER, DID NOT MATTER!!!" -artosis
Artosis is such a biased douchebag
All casters do this for the winner of the series. You get words and phrases like 'outclass','unbeatable in this matchup', 'have not seen X races play like this' even when the series is close. This is to build hype. If anything, Artosis was on the Rain bandwagon. Which ultimately is what cost Rain the series. No one can beat the Artosis curse.
On October 10 2012 19:47 Esjihn wrote: "Rain used all his best stuff. DIDNT MATTER, DID NOT MATTER!!!" -artosis
Artosis is such a biased douchebag
All casters do this for the winner of the series. You get words and phrases like 'outclass','unbeatable in this matchup', 'have not seen X races play like this' even when the series is close. This is to build hype. If anything, Artosis was on the Rain bandwagon. Which ultimately is what cost Rain the series. No one can beat the Artosis curse.
Mvp can.
Haha, well, Artosis always bets against Mvp. He was on the protoss hype train in Season 2 as well. :p
The previews are funny to read after the fact. Oh how wrong and silly they look now. All that text written only to be so wrong. It's a case of fluff over substance. If Life made mkp look inexperienced, then Life made taeja look like a LoL player instead of an sc2 player.
On October 10 2012 19:47 Esjihn wrote: "Rain used all his best stuff. DIDNT MATTER, DID NOT MATTER!!!" -artosis
Artosis is such a biased douchebag
All casters do this for the winner of the series. You get words and phrases like 'outclass','unbeatable in this matchup', 'have not seen X races play like this' even when the series is close. This is to build hype. If anything, Artosis was on the Rain bandwagon. Which ultimately is what cost Rain the series. No one can beat the Artosis curse.
Mvp can.
Haha, well, Artosis always bets against Mvp. He was on the protoss hype train in Season 2 as well. :p
On October 11 2012 21:36 bbm wrote: Hey, quick question, why exactly does a pic of the black knight from monty python's holy grail feature behind Taeja?
Seconded, the connection is seriously alluding me! You'd have thought MKP would have that as his logo, he never surrenders until all his limbs/production structures have been lopped off... Go GOM for being python fans though :D
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LG-IM_Mvp![[image loading]](/staff/Waxangel/GSL/S4_2012/taejavslife.jpg)
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