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chris5180
Profile Joined July 2012
198 Posts
September 08 2012 03:44 GMT
#21
lets go Creator :D woohoo!
latan
Profile Joined July 2010
740 Posts
September 08 2012 04:15 GMT
#22
they have people in korea, why not cast it live form there?
opterown *
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia54784 Posts
September 08 2012 04:26 GMT
#23
YEAH! creator <3
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Olex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States135 Posts
September 08 2012 04:35 GMT
#24
Soups excited for the finals!!!!

Can't get me down!

Haveta watch the vods any way D:

On September 08 2012 09:15 SpunXtain03 wrote:
I still think it's disappointing that the players are being cast from replays now, rather than playing live at the TLHQ.

If a team considers its players to be too young to compete in foreign tournaments, then they should not be entered. Like it or not, being a progamer requires some sacrifices. These kids are getting a headstart in life with huge cash bonuses, and they are living the dream that thousands of people wish they could - making a career out of gaming.

Because Creator and Life joined the tournament, two other potential candidates were not able to join the tournament. If you're not willing or able to make the requirements you shouldn't be in it - at this point, I'd recommend Team Liquid need to consider whether or not they should reinvite these two for the next TSL. They've shown a lack of commitment, and disappointed fans - and they are being paid a lot of money for it.

When you think about how disappointing it is for the TL staff, the fans, the other progamers who couldn't be in the tournament, and think how easy it would be for the teams to either send a coach or captain with their players, or even a family member, it just seems a bit of a let-down to me.

Maybe we need to start introducing 18+ tournaments... lol.


It is SO disappointing that we won't see it live! But no one's at fault. $16k is a LOT of money. Live audiences are awesome! We know that, and hopefully the stars align next finals and we avoid GSL entirely. Priorities! I love TL! You love TL! A ton of Koreans love TL! Players on teams have obligations to their team. Let's stay positive people.

Jet lag is a real thing.
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themask4f
Profile Joined December 2011
138 Posts
September 08 2012 04:41 GMT
#25
meh
Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
September 08 2012 05:12 GMT
#26
Hell to the yes!!

Let's go Creator!! :D

Always happy to see a great protoss perform great
Jim while Johnny had had had had had had had; had had had had the better effect on the teacher.
OtoshimonoU
Profile Joined December 2011
United States509 Posts
September 08 2012 05:40 GMT
#27
On September 08 2012 13:41 themask4f wrote:
meh


Just another Korean finals... Lost that feel for me
God Young ho
summerloud
Profile Joined March 2010
Austria1201 Posts
September 08 2012 06:29 GMT
#28
On September 08 2012 09:15 SpunXtain03 wrote:
I still think it's disappointing that the players are being cast from replays now, rather than playing live at the TLHQ.

If a team considers its players to be too young to compete in foreign tournaments, then they should not be entered. Like it or not, being a progamer requires some sacrifices. These kids are getting a headstart in life with huge cash bonuses, and they are living the dream that thousands of people wish they could - making a career out of gaming.

Because Creator and Life joined the tournament, two other potential candidates were not able to join the tournament. If you're not willing or able to make the requirements you shouldn't be in it - at this point, I'd recommend Team Liquid need to consider whether or not they should reinvite these two for the next TSL. They've shown a lack of commitment, and disappointed fans - and they are being paid a lot of money for it.

When you think about how disappointing it is for the TL staff, the fans, the other progamers who couldn't be in the tournament, and think how easy it would be for the teams to either send a coach or captain with their players, or even a family member, it just seems a bit of a let-down to me.

Maybe we need to start introducing 18+ tournaments... lol.


totally agreed, for 16k its not too much to ask to actually show up, or is it?
Acidosis
Profile Joined April 2011
United States172 Posts
September 08 2012 07:42 GMT
#29
TSL4 just doesn't have the same hype as TSL3...
“The will to win is not nearly as important as the will to prepare to win.” -BK
Pwnographics
Profile Joined January 2011
New Zealand1097 Posts
September 08 2012 08:07 GMT
#30
On September 08 2012 16:42 Acidosis wrote:
TSL4 just doesn't have the same hype as TSL3...


Maybe if it was big name Koreans or some foreigners but these guys are just kinda blotchy Koreans that people don't really care too much about.
LittLeD
Profile Joined May 2010
Sweden7973 Posts
September 08 2012 08:20 GMT
#31
So Pumped! Cheering for Creator to take it! FIGHTING
☆Grubby ☆| Tod|DeMusliM|ThorZaiN|SaSe|Moon|Mana| ☆HerO ☆
Liquid`Nazgul
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
22427 Posts
September 08 2012 08:46 GMT
#32
On September 08 2012 17:07 Pwnographics wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2012 16:42 Acidosis wrote:
TSL4 just doesn't have the same hype as TSL3...


Maybe if it was big name Koreans or some foreigners but these guys are just kinda blotchy Koreans that people don't really care too much about.

People will care about these two, whether that is tomorrow or a couple years down the road.
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Rojam
Profile Joined September 2007
Germany234 Posts
September 08 2012 08:49 GMT
#33
On September 08 2012 16:42 Acidosis wrote:
TSL4 just doesn't have the same hype as TSL3...


Yeah, I still remember the first TSL's...wow, those were awesome. But TSL4 couldn't get me hooked at all. How about a very early HotS TSL5 where we can experience a lot of exciting new strategies?
Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
September 08 2012 09:25 GMT
#34
I care about the players the real thing that's making it so I don't get hyped is that It's going to be a replay cast for the finals, It's just not of the same intensity when I know in the back of my mind that the result has already been decided before the first game airs.
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
September 08 2012 10:38 GMT
#35
I'm torn now between staying up for TSL4 or going to sleep and then trying to wake up for it. Such a tough decision.
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Hiea
Profile Joined March 2012
Denmark1538 Posts
September 08 2012 11:22 GMT
#36
I don't see why people care if the finals are live in a studio with no audience whatsoever, it's just A LOT of money and time wasted on transport for no reason whatsoever.

The only difference between live and replay is that the banner covering the replay features is bigger, the casters wont know the results and neither will we.
Martyrc
Profile Joined May 2012
217 Posts
September 08 2012 12:49 GMT
#37
This is very interesting, i feel like we're watching the birth of the TBLS of SC2, young progamers with lots of talent and the support to live up to it. These guys are the future of e-sports.
¨First in, last out.¨
ES.Genie
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany1370 Posts
September 08 2012 12:57 GMT
#38
On September 08 2012 17:46 Liquid`Nazgul wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2012 17:07 Pwnographics wrote:
On September 08 2012 16:42 Acidosis wrote:
TSL4 just doesn't have the same hype as TSL3...


Maybe if it was big name Koreans or some foreigners but these guys are just kinda blotchy Koreans that people don't really care too much about.

People will care about these two, whether that is tomorrow or a couple years down the road.

Love you <3

I think if Life manages to beat Creator he will do so with everyone else in Code S too. Kid just needs a bit of momentum.
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Dionyseus
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States2068 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-08 14:08:24
September 08 2012 14:07 GMT
#39
On September 08 2012 17:49 Rojam wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 08 2012 16:42 Acidosis wrote:
TSL4 just doesn't have the same hype as TSL3...


Yeah, I still remember the first TSL's...wow, those were awesome. But TSL4 couldn't get me hooked at all. How about a very early HotS TSL5 where we can experience a lot of exciting new strategies?


Well things were very different back in TSL3, the foreigners were still underdogs but not as big an underdog as they are now. The skill gap used to be close enough that you could be fooled into believing that Thorzain and Naniwa were as good as the Koreans. Now the Koreans dominate so hard that having an all Korean finals makes it a bit hard to distinguish this final from any other Korean final.
9/5/10 P acct: NA D 10,683 651pts 69w56L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/290365/LetoAtreides T acct: NA D 16,137 553pts 70w67L http://sc2ranks.com/char/us/1560008/Khrone Z: NA G 16,058 465pts 28w26L http://www.sc2ranks.com/us/1997354/Omnius
phanto
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden708 Posts
September 08 2012 14:24 GMT
#40
Koreans aren't as attached to the 'foreign' community as foreigners, obviously, and this makes this TSL feel like less of a prestigious intra-community tournament. The lack of IRL footage during the finals, celebrations and silly videos á la Nani vs Tzain chess etc. doesn't help. Just because they're koreans, any sort of post-game interview will feel a bit detached as well (with translators).

I don't think TSL4 will have the same "make into a recognizable figure" effect that previous TSLs had, because of the reasons above.

I hope the players at least see this as a big thing so that we get good games.
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