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[Code S] RO8 Day Two Wrap Up - Momentum

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Code S RO8, Day Two in Review


By: Waxangel


(P)SK.MC vs (P)MVPGenius


Game One –
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Dual Sight

With two players who hailed from the heyday of the 4-gate facing off, only one looked to the past for a free win. Genius faked a double gas build, only to cancel an assimilator and go for a 4-gate build. MC, going for a 2-gate 3-stalker rush, was completely fooled by Genius and went for extra stalkers instead of the sentries that might have saved his life. MC GG'd out of the game, putting Genius up 1 – 0.

Winner: Genius


Game Two –
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Cloud Kingdom

MC opened up with a 3-gate pressure build, while Genius went 2-gates with both a robotics facility and a twilight council. This build order mix-up ended up favoring MC, as his early pressure forced Genius to cancel his robotics and build sentries. On the other hand, MC was taking a fast expansion behind this fake attack, giving him an economic lead. Genius followed up with his own nexus, but only after MC's was complete.

Instead of using his faster expand to build a big economic advantage, MC decided to cut probes at thirty to go for 5-gate, blink stalker timing. As MC neared Genius' base, there appeared to be a window where he could impulsively blink in and try to finish the game, but he played over-cautiously and allowed Genius to force-field off the paths. This gave Genius the time to build enough units to defend comfortably, and MC was forced to back off. That left Genius with the advantage instead, as he had been cranking probes out and teching the entire time, whereas MC had stopped on thirty probes and pumped pure stalkers for a period.

It was not an advantage Genius decided to capitalize on immediately, but it was one that carried on into the late game. As both players turtled up on three bases and started to mass colossi, Genius retained three more immortals due to his faster robotics bay, as well as a one-level upgrade advantage from his faster forge.

These were things that mattered when both players maxed out, and MC decided to initiate a game ending battle at Genius' base. The two players were tied at six colossi, but Genius had more immortals while MC had more of the less useful stalkers. Additionally, MC attacked while both players had two colossi queued up at their robotics facilities – but due to his initiating combat at Genius' natural, Genius was able to add those two to his army during the middle of the battle.

All these things together led to a decisive victory for Genius, where he came out standing with three more immortals and colossi than MC. This was a strong enough core for Genius to immediately counter attack with, and as it turned out, enough to finish the game as well.

Winner: Genius


Game Three –
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Entombed Valley

Genius tried to trick MC again, showing him a second assimilator to mask another four-gate build. However, MC would not be fooled again, and some timely sentries and forcefields allowed him to stop the attack, even though he was cutting it close with his 3-gate + phoenix build.

Though he stopped Genius' 4-gate, MC was unable to find a way to capitalize. Genius followed his four-gate by going for a robotics and simply massed units off one base, and MC was dissuaded from attacking once he saw the number of units Genius had made. This put MC in a tough spot where his phoenix were becoming less and less valuable as the army sizes grew larger, and Genius added powerful robotics tech units to his army.

Instead of taking a risk to change his situation, MC decided try and ride it out. It turned out to be a poor decision, though perhaps there was not much he could do after he missed his initial attack timing with phoenixes. Even worse for MC, his phoenixes were out patrolling the map when Genius came knocking at his door. Genius barreled through MC's defenses to finish the sweep.

Winner: Genius


Game Four –
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Genius won 3 – 0


Game Five –
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Genius won 3 – 0



(Z)MVPDongRaeGu vs (P)ST_Parting

Game One –
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Antiga Shipyard

After the usual FE opens on both sides, Parting showed his first prepared strategy in double stargates. However, for whatever reason, he decided to show DRG each and every one of his three void rays, far before they were even close to reaching DRG's base. Who knows what Parting expected to happen? Perhaps he was just that confident in his micro. But the obvious result was that DRG simply made a lot of queens and a few spores to kill off the void rays without much trouble at all.

Parting shrugged off this early failure and proceeded to take his third relatively quickly. DongRaeGu reared up and struck with a large amount of speedlings, roaches, and corruptors, but Parting held off this attack without taking too much damage. Despite failing on his early risk, Parting seemed to be in a not-so-terrible spot, having successfully secured three bases.

However, it was more of a deceptive security, as DRG had been able to take whatever bases he wanted on the map, as well as tech with impunity. Brood lords emerged as a threat before Parting was equipped to deal with them, and he was forced to GG out after zergling, brood lords, and mutalisks ran rampant over his army.

Winner: DongRaeGu


Game Two –
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Daybreak

Parting had another bit of trickery prepared on this map, faking a four into seven gate all-in timing, but actually going for a fast third base instead. DongRaeGu was fooled for long enough for Parting to get all the simcity complete at his third base, and it looked like he would be pretty much impervious with good force fields.

Unfortunately for Parting, he had some rather bad force fields, which too late to stop DRG from flooding in with a huge roach and speedling attack. Though Parting had enough left to survive, he lost his vital sentries and took a big blow to his unit count, making it so he couldn't effectively defend all three bases at once. This was a huge invitation for DRG to exercise his specialty through relentless, multi-pronged attacks, and DRG went at it with gusto.

To Parting's credit, he defended much better than one would have expected, managing to protect his probes from mutalisks, kept his nexuses alive, and actually managed to slowly amass a fairly large core of stalkers. However, he could not save his gas units at all, as DRG prioritized killing templars, sentries, and archons. This left him incredibly weak once DRG decide to land a killing blow with mass banelings, which in conjunction with mutalisks, finished Parting off for good.

Winner: DongRaeGu


Game Three –
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Crossfire

Parting opened with a very safe 2-gate, stargate expansion, looking to face DRG in a straight up battle on Crossfire.

Haha, just kidding. Parting faked the above build, and went for a four-gate all-in with a single void ray to provide fire support. In response, DRG plopped down a gazillion spine crawlers and prayed that he might hold.

The battle was very close, with Parting able to trap a lot of DRG's zerglings in his main with force fields while his army cleared up the crawlers. It looked like Parting had done it once he killed the last crawler, but at that moment he did not have mana for just one more force-field, and the zerglings flooded down from the main to surround the weakened Protoss forces and finish them off.

With his all-in stopped, Parting knew he was dead, but facing elimination from Code S, he decided to give it one last go. He attacked with a hopeless, last ditch force, and gave the GG after that force died.

Winner: DongRaeGu


Game Four –
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DRG won 3 – 0


Game Five –
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DRG won 3 – 0

RO8 Day Two, Notes and Comments


By: Waxangel

Living up to the Name

Genius admitted it a few weeks ago, after topping DRG and sC to make it through to the RO32: he had been coasting for a while. He was happy to keep his Code S seed (he didn't mention the guaranteed $1,300 for RO32 finishes, but I think we can read between the lines), and he wasn't motivated to go much further.

For whatever reason, Genius got his fire back, and we've all been beneficiaries. Not only do Protoss players have someone to carry their banner, but fans of good Starcraft have one more player to put their support behind. Genius plans out smart strategies, plays for the late-game when possible, and makes great decisions to win his games. It's a bit subdued, and it's usually not that flashy. But it's a brand of Protoss that's rare to see, and it's fantastically entertaining for how much sense it makes. MC's showmanship will always be popular, as will HerO's tightrope walking and flamboyant plays, but personally, watching Genius is just more fun.

By the way, doesn't this make Genius the present best Protoss player in the world? It feels a bit weird, and maybe a bit underwhelming, but it seems to fall into place. He beat a bunch of very tough opponents in his Code S run, and he's the last Protoss standing. It's a bit hard to wrap your head around it if you've been used to Genius being incredible mediocre for the last year or so, but I think it's fair to say that for the next ten days or so, no one's going to take that title of best Protoss from him.

Clinging to the Bandwagon

Speaking of Protoss players, the Parting wagon is tilting at a dangerous angle, but it's yet to be derailed. His PvZ hasn't looked nearly as good as his PvT, which is a shame. But even if he becomes a one match-up player, it will be hard not to be a fan if his PvT can continue to be as awesome as it was against Jjakji. Those epic games vs Jjakji will keep me on board the bandwagon until MLG Winter Arena at least, where we can see how he performs in a completely new environment, against some completely new faces.

One Goal

DongRaeGu's in that unfortunate place where winning vs your average player doesn't do much for him anymore. Heck, beating one of the fastest rising stars in Parting didn't get him any credit, nor did busting through this tournament's group of death. The second he GG'd out of game seven of the Blizzard Cup finals, every goal ceased to be relevant for DRG, save one: Win a GSL championship.



















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Writer: Waxangel.
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Editor: Waxangel
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ChiIIgetoutGG
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Canada101 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-16 20:42:36
February 16 2012 20:42 GMT
#2
OMG MC!
Nice write-up!
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Amornthep
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Singapore2605 Posts
February 16 2012 20:42 GMT
#3
Awesome write up. Looking forward to the semis ;D
Yagulare
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Poland42 Posts
February 16 2012 20:42 GMT
#4
brilliant write-up as always
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RoninShogun
Profile Joined November 2010
United States315 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-16 20:44:16
February 16 2012 20:43 GMT
#5
Genius is on FIRE. Cant wait for the rematch of him vs DRG (they WILL make this an MvP finals)
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NachiMe
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250 Posts
February 16 2012 20:44 GMT
#6
DRG will win this gsl, I can feel it!
vlad1984
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Canada11 Posts
February 16 2012 20:44 GMT
#7
awesome wrap up and love that manner mule
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Russian Federation4405 Posts
February 16 2012 20:45 GMT
#8
seriously, you realize that marine looks like cheburashka? :D

everyone of my friends sees it :D
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Hungary2012 Posts
February 16 2012 20:45 GMT
#9
DRG vs Genius finals, go !
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Canada13 Posts
February 16 2012 20:47 GMT
#10
I like the write up alot, but in comparisson to all the other ones you have written it feels a little short to me... :D GOGO Alive DRG Final!
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Where dat snitch at?37025 Posts
February 16 2012 20:49 GMT
#11
LET'S DO THIS DRG!!! This GSL is so good. The players making through all deserve it
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Australia903 Posts
February 16 2012 20:50 GMT
#12
DRG gogo!!
Proxy22
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Denmark9 Posts
February 16 2012 20:52 GMT
#13
Pretty good write up, but I'd like to point out that the way the games are rated in no way reflect the intensity or the excitement of the actual games.
AnYvia
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Bulgaria474 Posts
February 16 2012 20:56 GMT
#14
DRG is gonna destroy this GSL.
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RunningInSquares
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States215 Posts
February 16 2012 20:57 GMT
#15
I would say Genius' play in the last year has been inconsistent rather than mediocre. The whole time, we could see little glimpses where we knew he was capable of more.
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Canada4020 Posts
February 16 2012 20:58 GMT
#16
On February 17 2012 05:52 Proxy22 wrote:
Pretty good write up, but I'd like to point out that the way the games are rated in no way reflect the intensity or the excitement of the actual games.

Yah people seemed to enjoy them a lot more than Waxangel did apparently
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Japan540 Posts
February 16 2012 21:06 GMT
#17
Yesterday made me proud to say MVP is my favorite SC2 pro team! I'm hoping for Alive vs. DRG in the finals.
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Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada1009 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-16 21:08:28
February 16 2012 21:08 GMT
#18
DRG is tunnel vision-ing that trophy so hard right now. I believe he can do it!
neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
February 16 2012 21:12 GMT
#19
I am so scared for DRG if Genius makes it to the final.
Genius would totally be stealing his thunder.

For DRG's sakes, I hope Genius loses against Alive.
Then DRG's got a chance at his first championship.
moo...for DRG
Rookie6
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Brazil583 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-16 21:15:19
February 16 2012 21:14 GMT
#20
"DongRaeGu's in that unfortunate place where winning vs your average player doesn't do much for him anymore. Heck, beating one of the fastest rising stars in Parting didn't get him any credit, nor did busting through this tournament's group of death. The second he GG'd out of game seven of the Blizzard Cup finals, every goal ceased to be relevant for DRG, save one: Win a GSL championship."

This part is so Epic

Go Genius/DRG finals!
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Profile Joined February 2012
United States758 Posts
February 16 2012 21:15 GMT
#21
I can already feel DRG winning! DRG vs Genius gogo !
johnnywup
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3858 Posts
February 16 2012 21:15 GMT
#22
On February 17 2012 05:57 RunningInSquares wrote:
I would say Genius' play in the last year has been inconsistent rather than mediocre. The whole time, we could see little glimpses where we knew he was capable of more.

i feel like he is inconsistent, but right now he looks very strong. the glimpses of seeing he was capable of more was a foretelling of his amazing play this time around. i dunno, it feels like hes back for good
Thraundil
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Denmark278 Posts
February 16 2012 21:19 GMT
#23
Calling it now. Best Code S season yet.

Also; hoping for Genious vs DRG in the finals. But man am I looking forward to the semis! aLive has a really strong ZvT and we all know DRG's relation to that matchup. It will be a fucking explosion. Gumi vs Genious, I gotta give the edge to Genious even though Gummibear must be on a real high roll right now after beating the living hell out of Puzzle. Its so hard to call; four real champion materials in the semis. I really hope both series go to ace match, instead of the (kind of disappointing) 3-0's of today.
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Profile Blog Joined February 2012
Australia2738 Posts
February 16 2012 21:19 GMT
#24
On February 17 2012 05:58 mrtomjones wrote:
Yah people seemed to enjoy them a lot more than Waxangel did apparently


Yeah. I for one thought the games were very exciting and enjoyable, even if most don't go down in history as the 'best' analytically.
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Profile Joined June 2011
United States560 Posts
February 16 2012 21:19 GMT
#25
On February 17 2012 06:15 johnnywup wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2012 05:57 RunningInSquares wrote:
I would say Genius' play in the last year has been inconsistent rather than mediocre. The whole time, we could see little glimpses where we knew he was capable of more.

i feel like he is inconsistent, but right now he looks very strong. the glimpses of seeing he was capable of more was a foretelling of his amazing play this time around. i dunno, it feels like hes back for good


Maybe he's jealous of DRG so he's practicing like a mad man. Probably a really good motivator.
jw232
Profile Joined January 2009
United States157 Posts
February 16 2012 21:20 GMT
#26
It feels a bit weird strange

Did you mean to include only one of those adjectives? Otherwise great writeup.
Waxangel
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United States33392 Posts
February 16 2012 21:24 GMT
#27
On February 17 2012 05:58 mrtomjones wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2012 05:52 Proxy22 wrote:
Pretty good write up, but I'd like to point out that the way the games are rated in no way reflect the intensity or the excitement of the actual games.

Yah people seemed to enjoy them a lot more than Waxangel did apparently

I am a cynic :o
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Dodgin
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Canada39254 Posts
February 16 2012 21:24 GMT
#28
Genius vs DRG or Alive vs DRG finals would be so great.
Balinek
Profile Joined February 2012
Poland15 Posts
February 16 2012 21:33 GMT
#29
It's GSL so it's pretty obvious it ends up with Alive vs Gumiho finals :D Terran is always imba in Korea
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United States5797 Posts
February 16 2012 21:51 GMT
#30
On February 17 2012 06:24 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2012 05:58 mrtomjones wrote:
On February 17 2012 05:52 Proxy22 wrote:
Pretty good write up, but I'd like to point out that the way the games are rated in no way reflect the intensity or the excitement of the actual games.

Yah people seemed to enjoy them a lot more than Waxangel did apparently

I am a cynic :o



Nah man, I think a lot of us know exactly why the ratings are low
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Germany10157 Posts
February 16 2012 22:04 GMT
#31
Robo bay cant give you more immortals, noobie
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Sweden7024 Posts
February 16 2012 22:07 GMT
#32
I hope for DRG vs Genius in finals, would be so awesome. ^^
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neoghaleon55
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States7435 Posts
February 16 2012 22:08 GMT
#33
On February 17 2012 06:51 1Eris1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2012 06:24 Waxangel wrote:
On February 17 2012 05:58 mrtomjones wrote:
On February 17 2012 05:52 Proxy22 wrote:
Pretty good write up, but I'd like to point out that the way the games are rated in no way reflect the intensity or the excitement of the actual games.

Yah people seemed to enjoy them a lot more than Waxangel did apparently

I am a cynic :o



Nah man, I think a lot of us know exactly why the ratings are low


DIdn't wax write the dead president imba article?
He's a softy for MC
;P
moo...for DRG
Sanz
Profile Joined December 2010
150 Posts
February 16 2012 22:12 GMT
#34
drg vs genius finals would be sooooo epic
StatikKhaos
Profile Joined January 2011
United States214 Posts
February 16 2012 22:15 GMT
#35
DRG Genius finals LETS DO IT

Zerg fighting!
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Fanatic-Templar
Profile Joined February 2010
Canada5819 Posts
February 16 2012 22:19 GMT
#36
I want a DRG vs. Genius finals.

I want to finally have a Protoss champion so bad, and I always liked Genius, but if it's Genius vs. DRG, I'd be happy even with a DRG win.
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Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
February 16 2012 22:21 GMT
#37
It feel so wrong that Genius was like " let's 3gate VR all in to stay in coe S each season, no nee more " uring so long. :<
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Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
February 16 2012 22:24 GMT
#38
Genius and DRG in the finals is the only finals I want to see, those two are just so ridiculously good right now. No disrespect to aLive and Gumiho, but jeez and all MVP final would be crazy awesome. DRG fighting!
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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
February 16 2012 22:43 GMT
#39
Careful before claiming a player is the world's best Protoss. Genius is definitely a top Protoss player, but we need consistency and multiple good showings before we can call a player the best of their race.
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lorkac
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2297 Posts
February 16 2012 22:44 GMT
#40
Has DRG payed the necessary toll to get to the top 4? The head of a former GSL champion?
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SenorChang
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia4730 Posts
February 16 2012 22:48 GMT
#41
The title of best current Protoss player is passed so quickly
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Kharnage
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia920 Posts
February 16 2012 22:52 GMT
#42
On February 17 2012 07:44 lorkac wrote:
Has DRG payed the necessary toll to get to the top 4? The head of a former GSL champion?


Would you like a side of salad to go with your main, Head of NesTea?
Hulavuta
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1252 Posts
February 16 2012 23:04 GMT
#43
I for one do NOT want a Genius vs DongRaeGu finals...because I want DongRaeGu to win XD (I feel Genius just knows him too well and will destroy him easily)

Regardless, I'd be happy if any of these guys won. Rooting for DongRaeGu or Genius, but I don't want a finals between them XD
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Typhon
Profile Joined July 2009
United States387 Posts
February 16 2012 23:05 GMT
#44
On February 17 2012 07:43 Bagration wrote:
Careful before claiming a player is the world's best Protoss. Genius is definitely a top Protoss player, but we need consistency and multiple good showings before we can call a player the best of their race.


The weird thing is Genius *the* most "consistently not bad" Protoss. He's just never been consistently good.
lorkac
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2297 Posts
February 16 2012 23:06 GMT
#45
On February 17 2012 07:52 Kharnage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2012 07:44 lorkac wrote:
Has DRG payed the necessary toll to get to the top 4? The head of a former GSL champion?


Would you like a side of salad to go with your main, Head of NesTea?


The slayers of MMA, MVP, MC and Nestea fight it out eh?
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Kharnage
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia920 Posts
February 16 2012 23:10 GMT
#46
On February 17 2012 08:06 lorkac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2012 07:52 Kharnage wrote:
On February 17 2012 07:44 lorkac wrote:
Has DRG payed the necessary toll to get to the top 4? The head of a former GSL champion?


Would you like a side of salad to go with your main, Head of NesTea?


The slayers of MMA, MVP, MC and Nestea fight it out eh?


So insanely pumped for this.
Pipeline
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1673 Posts
February 16 2012 23:10 GMT
#47
Great write up but surely you can do better with the ratings of the games. Judging from your ratings Waxangel I can't see a man who is ever thrilled by a game of starcraft. It is so much tension in the games, and that (at least for me) is also a big part of the entertainment value. It doesn't need to be strategies which get carried out to the letter to score above a rating of 3, at least not in my book
SiroKO
Profile Joined February 2012
France721 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-16 23:18:42
February 16 2012 23:17 GMT
#48
Protoss seems kind of hopeless against excellent Zerg such as Dongraegu and Stephano.
Once your gates/2 stargates/DT push are blocked, you're behind.
And if you don't do anything and try to safely take a third, you're behind as well.

Stephano himself believes that, given the current metagame, PvZ is a joke.
All eyes are on Genius now.
Hope he will find something which doesn't rely on the Zerg messing up his control or not anticipating a
timing push...
Our envy always last longer than the happiness of those we envy
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
February 16 2012 23:20 GMT
#49
A sad day for my liquibets. I was so sure either MC or Parting would win. I wouldn't mind DRG taking the championship this time, but I'm still not much of a Genius fan.
Startale <3, ST_July <3, HongUn <3, Savior <3, Gretorp <3, Nada <3, Rainbow <3, Ret <3, Squirtle <3, Bomber <3
TheTurk
Profile Joined January 2011
United States732 Posts
February 16 2012 23:21 GMT
#50
Such underwhelming games.
Starcraft is a lifestyle.
Kharnage
Profile Joined September 2011
Australia920 Posts
February 16 2012 23:24 GMT
#51
On February 17 2012 08:17 SiroKO wrote:
Protoss seems kind of hopeless against excellent Zerg such as Dongraegu and Stephano.
Once your gates/2 stargates/DT push are blocked, you're behind.
And if you don't do anything and try to safely take a third, you're behind as well.

Stephano himself believes that, given the current metagame, PvZ is a joke.
All eyes are on Genius now.
Hope he will find something which doesn't rely on the Zerg messing up his control or not anticipating a
timing push...


Genius says 'You're wrong'.

The part I hate most is that if crossfire is in the map pool then Protoss are one game down. I don't think I've seen P win a PvZ on crossfire.
RyanRushia
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2748 Posts
February 16 2012 23:24 GMT
#52
great job MVP! gogo keep it up guys
I saw the angel in the marble and carved until I set him free. | coL.Ryan | www.twitter.com/coL_RyanR
acrimoneyius
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States983 Posts
February 16 2012 23:37 GMT
#53
Now that MMA is out, I think DRG can take this. I'd rather see a ZvT finals but teammates against eachother is very interesting as well.
willyallthewei
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States265 Posts
February 16 2012 23:43 GMT
#54
On February 17 2012 08:24 Kharnage wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2012 08:17 SiroKO wrote:
Protoss seems kind of hopeless against excellent Zerg such as Dongraegu and Stephano.
Once your gates/2 stargates/DT push are blocked, you're behind.
And if you don't do anything and try to safely take a third, you're behind as well.

Stephano himself believes that, given the current metagame, PvZ is a joke.
All eyes are on Genius now.
Hope he will find something which doesn't rely on the Zerg messing up his control or not anticipating a
timing push...


Genius says 'You're wrong'.

The part I hate most is that if crossfire is in the map pool then Protoss are one game down. I don't think I've seen P win a PvZ on crossfire.


Could someone please explain to me why Crossfire is in the GSL?

It has got to be one of the worst maps I've ever seen, in its history it has either favored Protoss when deathballs were popular, or was Terran dominated in PvZ, and now it is the anti protoss map with 1-1-1 and muta play dominating

It has never produced balanced games, even when Nestea and SC duked it out, it was just everyone wondering how Nestea could win on such a Terran favored map.

I'm very curious as to the opinion of someone who actually knows what they are talking about as to why Crossfire is not removed as an imba map.... It doesn't seem to be balanced at all....

"never give up, never surrender"
Zeon0
Profile Joined September 2010
Austria2995 Posts
February 17 2012 00:16 GMT
#55
i really hope DRG wins the title, imho the most deserving player. In a season where Zerg does not well he stomps every opponent, no matter if T, P or Z.

And I hope the two Terrans get knocked out in ro4, imho they are 'nothing special'. Of course they are great players, but imo just another random Korean Terran.

Gogo PvZ final (and gogo same result as the last PvZ final :D)
Hater of MKP since GSL Open Season 2 | Fanboy of: NesTea Stephano IdrA DIMAGA MorroW ret DongRaeGu Snute SaSe Mvp ThorZaIN DeMusliM
weiliem
Profile Joined January 2008
2071 Posts
February 17 2012 00:24 GMT
#56
On February 17 2012 08:17 SiroKO wrote:
Protoss seems kind of hopeless against excellent Zerg such as Dongraegu and Stephano.
Once your gates/2 stargates/DT push are blocked, you're behind.
And if you don't do anything and try to safely take a third, you're behind as well.

Stephano himself believes that, given the current metagame, PvZ is a joke.
All eyes are on Genius now.
Hope he will find something which doesn't rely on the Zerg messing up his control or not anticipating a
timing push...

DRG actually said he has huge difficulties fighting protoss and he asked helped from Nestea, but Nestea was facing the same problem as well....
Oppa feeding style
tuho12345
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
4482 Posts
February 17 2012 00:51 GMT
#57
This's the season for Genius and DRG. Save it for the last cuz one of them will be the champ for sure!
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
February 17 2012 01:05 GMT
#58
Surprising results, I was expecting some close games. Either way, the people who I wanted to advance did! I am happy! :3
Oh, my achin' hands, from rakin' in grands, and breakin' in mic stands
hype[NZ]
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
Japan412 Posts
February 17 2012 01:21 GMT
#59
You know that a game didn't actually happen when it gets rated 4 or more stars
freeshooter
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States477 Posts
February 17 2012 01:23 GMT
#60
To be fair, Parting was up against DongRaeGu, ZvT extraordinare, but equally cunning in ZvP. I didn't expect Parting to win, but man was this a total blow out. Parting put up a good fight in all 3 games, but no cigars in any of em
Vansetsu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1454 Posts
February 17 2012 01:56 GMT
#61
Hmmm... Genius is playing well but I don't think it means he's the best protoss player. He's just the winningest protoss at the moment. I think he has to show a little more potential or at least a championship before you can start taking contendership of "best protoss" away from people like MC and HerO =/
Only by overcoming many obstacles does a river become - デイヴィ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ド
Greggle
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1131 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-17 01:58:01
February 17 2012 01:57 GMT
#62
Genius the best Toss already? No, not even close. That's victory-day hype. MMA beating MVP in GSL October and the Blizzard Cup didn't instantly make him the best Terran. Genius is still going to have to at least win a championship to even have a claim to the title.

Go Alive! Deny team MVP a championship and I shall love you eternally!

Edit: I don't think HerO should be considered a contender at all. Yeah, I love TL, but HerO has never even made code S.
Life is too short to take it seriously.
kabar
Profile Joined November 2010
United States616 Posts
February 17 2012 02:08 GMT
#63
genius drg finals. let it be done.
david0925
Profile Joined September 2010
212 Posts
February 17 2012 02:39 GMT
#64
I'm not going to jump the gun on claiming who the best Protoss is, but if we only judge by championships only MC has won a GSL, no?

I'd also like to know who has the most consistent Protoss performance aside from MC, since I'm not overly familiar with GSL statistics.
Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6259 Posts
February 17 2012 02:40 GMT
#65
On February 17 2012 08:06 lorkac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2012 07:52 Kharnage wrote:
On February 17 2012 07:44 lorkac wrote:
Has DRG payed the necessary toll to get to the top 4? The head of a former GSL champion?


Would you like a side of salad to go with your main, Head of NesTea?


The slayers of MMA, MVP, MC and Nestea fight it out eh?

Great quote!!!

I paused for a moment to think about it:
MMA - Alive
MVP - Gumiho
MC - Genius
Nestea - DRG
Azzur
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia6259 Posts
February 17 2012 02:42 GMT
#66
On February 17 2012 08:43 willyallthewei wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2012 08:24 Kharnage wrote:
On February 17 2012 08:17 SiroKO wrote:
Protoss seems kind of hopeless against excellent Zerg such as Dongraegu and Stephano.
Once your gates/2 stargates/DT push are blocked, you're behind.
And if you don't do anything and try to safely take a third, you're behind as well.

Stephano himself believes that, given the current metagame, PvZ is a joke.
All eyes are on Genius now.
Hope he will find something which doesn't rely on the Zerg messing up his control or not anticipating a
timing push...


Genius says 'You're wrong'.

The part I hate most is that if crossfire is in the map pool then Protoss are one game down. I don't think I've seen P win a PvZ on crossfire.


Could someone please explain to me why Crossfire is in the GSL?

It has got to be one of the worst maps I've ever seen, in its history it has either favored Protoss when deathballs were popular, or was Terran dominated in PvZ, and now it is the anti protoss map with 1-1-1 and muta play dominating

It has never produced balanced games, even when Nestea and SC duked it out, it was just everyone wondering how Nestea could win on such a Terran favored map.

I'm very curious as to the opinion of someone who actually knows what they are talking about as to why Crossfire is not removed as an imba map.... It doesn't seem to be balanced at all....


Crossfire being a Terran favoured map in TvZ is a myth - it definitely favours Zerg.
hyperknight
Profile Joined May 2011
294 Posts
February 17 2012 03:01 GMT
#67
aLive vs DongRaeGu season 1 code S finals!

I can feel it! COMMON aLive! You can do this! Hwaiting!

"you 6poll?" - aLive to IdrA on NASL Sunday Showmatch, Feb 2012
yourdaylove
Profile Joined February 2012
1 Post
February 17 2012 03:12 GMT
#68
--- Nuked ---
ShatterZer0
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1843 Posts
February 17 2012 03:25 GMT
#69
MC D:
A time to live.
tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
February 17 2012 03:29 GMT
#70
On February 17 2012 07:48 SenorChang wrote:
The title of best current Protoss player is passed so quickly

Shouldnt MC has more money and more titles than all Korean protoss put together, think about that as you question whos president. But in sport of "what have you done for me lately" I can understand the genius bandwagon. He's playing fantastic.

Hoping for DRG though. IMO he plays practically perfect and perfectly abusive. As an MC fan I appreciate that.
MC for president
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
February 17 2012 04:17 GMT
#71
the best part was the fishuu art
Laplaces_imp
Profile Joined January 2012
368 Posts
February 17 2012 04:38 GMT
#72
As much as i respect DRG and Genious, i really wanted to see MVP_sC in the final four. At any rate, best of luck to them both. Looks like team MVP is sitting if a very good place to finally get a Code S trophy.
TheNessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4158 Posts
February 17 2012 04:52 GMT
#73
most shocking 1/1 lb ever
~~! youtube.com/xmungam1 !~~
eericson000
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia718 Posts
February 17 2012 07:05 GMT
#74
If we are going to have a Genius vs DRG finals, I don't mind who wins, I only care if one of them are going to troll each other when it happens
FlyingDike
Profile Joined December 2011
United States221 Posts
February 17 2012 07:35 GMT
#75
Simply because Genius has a few good performances doesn't automatically make him the best protoss in the world, even temporarily. You're wrong, and you should apologize.
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
February 17 2012 07:56 GMT
#76
Genius vs DRG would be such a terrible final. Genius is WAY overhyped atm
Yhamm is the god of predictions
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33392 Posts
February 17 2012 08:48 GMT
#77
On February 17 2012 16:35 FlyingDike wrote:
Simply because Genius has a few good performances doesn't automatically make him the best protoss in the world, even temporarily. You're wrong, and you should apologize.


no!
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
[F_]aths
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany3947 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-17 11:59:30
February 17 2012 11:48 GMT
#78
On February 17 2012 16:56 Scarecrow wrote:
Genius vs DRG would be such a terrible final. Genius is WAY overhyped atm

I don't think so. I put my hope in Sage and Genius to finally overcome MC's protoss presidency. Genius seems to have done it. The inaugural Blizzcon champion is back.

On the other hand, even Genius shouldn't be able to stop DRG in a longer match series. DongRaeGu wants the title. He needs it to break the kong line. He needs to prove all nay-sayers wrong.
You don't choose to play zerg. The zerg choose you.
SHOOG
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1639 Posts
February 17 2012 12:40 GMT
#79
I want to see an aLive/Genius finals. But the only problem is, I'd want them both to win
Koshi
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Belgium38799 Posts
February 17 2012 13:27 GMT
#80
Manner mule. So funny.

Ro8 was pretty bad.
TvT was coin flippy. MMA and Alive both played poor.
Genius rolled MC

Gumiho Puzzle and DRG Parting were good matches. But nothing special.
I had a good night of sleep.
Sidders
Profile Joined May 2011
Netherlands41 Posts
February 17 2012 14:20 GMT
#81
Shame I missed these games, and a big shame MC is out, eventhough Genius might be the better player. Will always enjoy MCs sportmanship!
SlayerS/oGs fan - Former journalist for sites such as MYM/Cadred/LLL and TEK-9 - exCOD4 pro gamer
bundo
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada113 Posts
February 17 2012 14:34 GMT
#82
if it is genius vs DRG the finals are going to be amazing!!!! go-go genius!!
SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
February 17 2012 17:43 GMT
#83
I don't know whether anyone's still looking at this thread, but vis-a-vis Genius beating MC at PvP and therefore being the best Protoss in the world, people still consider MC's PvP to be really good.

To put it bluntly, it really isn't. Since the 5th March last year, his Korean PvP record is exactly 50%, as shown here. That's the same as MMA's PvT, shown here.

MMA's PvT is widely considered to be his weakest matchup. MC's PvP should definitely be considered his, but his winrate is inflated by his hulk-smashing of players like HongUn and Ace in his heyday, and in the heyday of 4gate, which was unforgiving but at least a stable build.

When Puzzle or Oz beat MMA last season or this season, opinion didn't show that Oz or Puzzle were considered vastly superior than MMA. This was partly because the matches were closer than a 3-0, but also partly because TvP is well-known and recognised to be MMA's weakest matchup.

People should recognise MC's weakness as well, when making their decisions as to who is the overall better player.
Yaki
Profile Joined April 2011
France4234 Posts
February 17 2012 18:20 GMT
#84
Genius/DRG finals with Genius winning it is my current dream. Make it happen !
MC ■ MarineKing ■ LosirA ■ To someone who has lost after trying his best, no words from the winner can console him.
dextrin303
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden320 Posts
February 18 2012 09:49 GMT
#85
DRG vs Genius finals would be so awesome :D
tdt
Profile Joined October 2010
United States3179 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-18 10:14:06
February 18 2012 10:06 GMT
#86
On February 18 2012 02:43 SeaSwift wrote:
I don't know whether anyone's still looking at this thread, but vis-a-vis Genius beating MC at PvP and therefore being the best Protoss in the world, people still consider MC's PvP to be really good.

To put it bluntly, it really isn't. Since the 5th March last year, his Korean PvP record is exactly 50%, as shown here. That's the same as MMA's PvT, shown here.

MMA's PvT is widely considered to be his weakest matchup. MC's PvP should definitely be considered his, but his winrate is inflated by his hulk-smashing of players like HongUn and Ace in his heyday, and in the heyday of 4gate, which was unforgiving but at least a stable build.

When Puzzle or Oz beat MMA last season or this season, opinion didn't show that Oz or Puzzle were considered vastly superior than MMA. This was partly because the matches were closer than a 3-0, but also partly because TvP is well-known and recognised to be MMA's weakest matchup.

People should recognise MC's weakness as well, when making their decisions as to who is the overall better player.

Dude do you play protoss? You could beat any pro 30% of time due to BOers. Pros being 50/50 is no big deal. It's random as fuck. One week MC will shut out Huk The next the opposite. and on and on and on. I said in thread when MC got 1 st in his RO16 group and would face Genius that would be his toughest test because of random. Same when Alicia eliminated him same when hong did in both shut outs. It's not a weakness it's random. PartinG could have won those games w MC just as easy.
MC for president
SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
February 18 2012 10:33 GMT
#87
On February 18 2012 19:06 tdt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 18 2012 02:43 SeaSwift wrote:
I don't know whether anyone's still looking at this thread, but vis-a-vis Genius beating MC at PvP and therefore being the best Protoss in the world, people still consider MC's PvP to be really good.

To put it bluntly, it really isn't. Since the 5th March last year, his Korean PvP record is exactly 50%, as shown here. That's the same as MMA's PvT, shown here.

MMA's PvT is widely considered to be his weakest matchup. MC's PvP should definitely be considered his, but his winrate is inflated by his hulk-smashing of players like HongUn and Ace in his heyday, and in the heyday of 4gate, which was unforgiving but at least a stable build.

When Puzzle or Oz beat MMA last season or this season, opinion didn't show that Oz or Puzzle were considered vastly superior than MMA. This was partly because the matches were closer than a 3-0, but also partly because TvP is well-known and recognised to be MMA's weakest matchup.

People should recognise MC's weakness as well, when making their decisions as to who is the overall better player.

Dude do you play protoss? You could beat any pro 30% of time due to BOers. Pros being 50/50 is no big deal. It's random as fuck. One week MC will shut out Huk The next the opposite. and on and on and on. I said in thread when MC got 1 st in his RO16 group and would face Genius that would be his toughest test because of random. Same when Alicia eliminated him same when hong did in both shut outs. It's not a weakness it's random. PartinG could have won those games w MC just as easy.


Except they weren't build order wins. Hell, maybe the first one was, when Genius could have gone for a 4gate or not. But the 2nd and 3rd game were not just straight up autoloss for MC, they were Genius outplaying him.
snively
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States1159 Posts
February 18 2012 19:08 GMT
#88
i have my money on genius. gogo protoss! :D
My religion is Starcraft
whatthefat
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States918 Posts
February 19 2012 02:00 GMT
#89
I'm looking forward to seeing what DRG can do in the semi-final, and hopefully the final! I mean, yes, he's obviously really good, and in fact he's probably the best Zerg in the world right now. But I'm still finding it a little hard to get excited about his play. It feels almost as though he's the Zerg #1 by default at the moment (i.e., I'm not getting the chills a Leenock or a Nestea can induce). Parting's play wasn't much of a test for DRG, sadly. I only hope we get a Genius vs. DRG final. That, I think, would really test the depth of DRG's ZvP, and the match winner could truly be called the king of their race.
SlayerS_BoxeR: "I always feel sorry towards Greg (Grack?) T_T"
niilzon
Profile Joined October 2010
Belgium105 Posts
February 20 2012 11:28 GMT
#90
On February 17 2012 06:12 neoghaleon55 wrote:
I am so scared for DRG if Genius makes it to the final.
Genius would totally be stealing his thunder.

For DRG's sakes, I hope Genius loses against Alive.
Then DRG's got a chance at his first championship.


Man, your post sums up the truth perfectly.

I don't see DRG win against Genius. However I don't see DRG lose against anyone else
Though I must admit that even if I'm a DRG fanboy, I hope to see him vs Genius in the finals, for the sake of having the highest possible combined skill level in those finals
DeaDoXFighting
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada115 Posts
February 20 2012 16:25 GMT
#91
Can´t wait to see Genius vs DRG in finals! Will be so epic!
Go Liquid Hero !!!!!
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