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[GSL] Code S RO16 - Death Approaches

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[GSL] Code S RO16 - Death Approaches

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February 8th, 2012 17:36 GMT
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  • RO16, Group C in Review
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Group C in Review


By: Waxangel

Group C: (P)SK.MC, (T)NSH_Jjakji, (P)ST_Parting, (T)SlayerS_GanZi

Match One: MC vs Ganzi

Game One –

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Entombed Valley

Both players went for standard FE openings to begin the game, with Ganzi following up with late gas and 4-barracks marine pressure, while MC went for a nondescript three gate follow-up. Ganzi poked at MC with a handful of early marines, which ended up achieving very little besides killing three probes and finding out that MC had skipped sentries and gone for mostly stalkers.

What Ganzi didn't see was that MC had added on another five gateways after his initial three, and was going for an all-out 8-gate all-in. After cleaning up the marines, MC went on the counter-attack, adding a round of eight zealots from a forward pylon. Though Ganzi had started to build a supply depot wall, he was nowhere near prepared to hold off this massive zealot-stalker attack – especially considering he had built a third command center behind his pressure. Badly beaten, Ganzi conceded the first game.

Winner: MC
Game Two –
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Bel'Shir Beach Winter

The game opened up as FE vs FE once more, with Ganzi choosing a fairly middle of the road, 3-rax into upgrades and medivacs follow-up. On the other hand, MC went for another gateway pressure build, this time massing up on sentries early while dumping the leftover minerals into a fast five gateways.

Once again, Ganzi was caught with just one bunker, and despite having stimpak researched in time, was unable to hold against MC and his excellent use of forcefields.

Winner: MC


Game Three –
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MC won 2 – 0.


Match Two: Jjkaji vs Parting

Game One –
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Metropolis

Parting opened with a greedy build, got away with it, and made Jjakji pay the price. Parting's opening build was roughly: nexus first FE, gateway – core – gateway and then another Nexus. Jjakji went for a very standard, unambitious rax FE build, which could not match the economic strength of Parting's build once it got off the ground. With three bases, Parting was able to put on 8-gate pressure for free, without being all-in in any sort of way. He transitioned out of the pressure directly into late game setup mode, getting 12 gates, templar tech, and double forge.

Jjakji played very well considering his economic disadvantage, and even managed to hit a timing with 1/1 infantry right before storm completed that made Parting look like he was in danger for a fraction of a second. It was to no avail, however, and Parting overran Jjakji with massive amounts of everything.

Winner: Parting


Game Two –
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Dual Sight

Jjakji picked an unorthodox build for Dual Sight – a siege tank expand with two reactored barracks. As for Parting, he went for the super-safe 2-gate robo into expand, perhaps fearing the possibility of some kind of all-in considering the map.

Jjakji's build seemed to include the possibility of a no-upgrade marine and tank attack timing, but after scoping out Parting's immortal + gateway units army he decided to just sit back and transition into a standard Terran bio-ball. Parting, too, decided that he would stand back, and teched up to colossi.

The way these decisions played out, Jjakji ended up way ahead. Their unorthodox openers favored Jjakji in terms of economy, and he ended up with a 30 supply advantage as he neared maximum population. When Jjakji finally moved out, Parting didn't have much choice but to let Jjakji take out his third base, while his own force went looking for counter-attack opportunities.

Parting did force a lift on Jjakji's third base, bu in the process ended up trapping his own army. Jjakji was able to force the fight, and crushed Parting's army the way a 30 supply Terran advantage typically will.

Winner: Jjakji


Game Three –
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Daybreak

The early game played out similar to game one, with Parting going for a greedy triple nexus start, while Jjakji went for a too-standard FE into three-rax tech opener. Parting once again followed up with 8-gate pressure, and this time broke through Jjakji's front line to kill an obscene amount of SCVs before being forced to retreat.

Jjakji had enough in him for one last ditch attack, and GG'd out after it melted to zealots and archons.

Winner: Parting


Winner's Match:

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Parting vs MC


Game One –
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Bel'Shir Beach Winter

MC opened up with a 2-gate, 2-gas build, while Parting opened with 3-gate 1-gas. This allowed Parting to be the aggressor first, striking a menacing posture in front of MC's base. In the end, it was just for appearances, as he did not commit to a real attack at MC's base. MC added two more gates while staying on one base, while Parting squeezed in a Nexus off of his three gates.

MC decided to go on the offensive with his four gateways, and the game came down to a battle of whether Parting could hold or not. There were zealots, stalkers, and sentries on either side, and it all hung on who could micro better. In the end, Parting couldn't out-micro MC by enough to overcome his army disadvantage, and was forced to GG out.

Winner: MC


Game Two –
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Entombed Valley

Parting went for a relatively fast expansion, a PvP strategy that's been popular recently on the GSL maps with longer rush distances and more easily defensible naturals. On the other hand, MC went for a DT all-in, putting himself in a do or die situation.

Parting already had a robo when MC hit with DTs, but the observer was not complete. MC had a brief window to do any kind of damage, so he decided to hack away at Parting's troops to set up his follow-up gateway unit attack the best he could.

It turned out to be just barely enough for MC to win the day. Parting had two bases, but his actual production capacities and income ended up being roughly the same as MC. It came down to a straight micro battle between gateway units, and in that area, MC proved to be the better player.

Winner: MC


Game Three –
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MC won 2-0.


Loser's Match:

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Jjakji vs Ganzi


Game One –
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Bel'Shir Beach Winter

Ganzi opened with a reaper-expand into a prepare-for-everything plan, with a bunker at the front, vikings for banshees, and even missile turrets. However, the one thing he couldn't stop counter was Jjakji's well timed marine-hellion elevator – which was unfortunate considering he even put three marines at the edge of his base to watch for such attacks. Ganzi pulled all his SCVs, landed his vikings, and used everything to try and stop the attack, but couldn't hold in the end.

Winner: Jjakji


Game Two –
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Dual Sight

As Ganzi opened with mech, bringing up memories of Jjakji and Ganzi's RO32 match. There, Jjakji had tried to fight Ganzi's mech with his own mech, only to be outplayed. This time, Jjakji went for a bio-tank composition, and it went much better.

Ganzi did all the right mech things, turtling up and waiting, even managing to mine from a hidden base for a considerable amount of time. Once the time it came for him to move out, however, it was Jjakji's time to shine as he used small groups of units to backdoor Ganzi and restrict his troop movements.

Once he built up a sufficient amount of tanks, Ganzi went for a half decided, half forced all-out attack. Jjkaji saw there was no chance of fighting the army head on, and he went for a straight up base trade. Both players razed each others' bases with ease, and were left in a quite a peculiar position with almost no buildings, but huge, intact armies.

Unfortunately for Ganzi, he forgot the #1 rule of mech in a series deciding situation. Instead of being patient, he was in too much of a hurry to move his tanks out of Jjakji's base and onto the map. Jjakji ambushed Ganzi's army as it left his old main, and caught them all out of siege mode. Marauders tore through the unsieged tanks, and Ganzi was forced to GG.

Winner: Jjakji


Game Three –
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Jjakji won 2-0.


Final Match:

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Jjakji vs Parting


Game One –
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Cloud Kingdom

Where to begin? It was a long, action packed game that never came down to just one battle, but was swung by the results of several carefully made strategic choices across the map. There were traps, hit and runs, straight up slugfests – just about everything you could want from a high level game.

If I had to over simplify, Parting was able to win the game because of his ability to keep Jjakji off his fourth base, and disrupt his resource collection for a very long time.

Winner: Parting


Game Two –
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Antiga Shipyard

Like game one, but a little bit more exciting. There's no good way to summarize it and really convey what happened – hopefully we will be able to highlight it in more detail later this week.

For now, all we can say is: Watch this game!

Winner: Parting


Game Three –
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Parting won 2-0.




Notes and Comments


1/3

Is Parting the real deal? It was a damn shame we couldn't throw more opponents at him to answer that question fully. After he defeated Jjakji 4 – 1 in the best TvPs in the history of the GSL, there was no question that he was an elite PvT player. It was one of those rare series that was so well played on both sides, even the loser ended up having his reputation go up a notch.

However, it filled everyone with curiosity. Could Parting be just as good against the other races? In terms of PvP, he played against MC, had his game boil down to early game micro-or-die situations, and he died. Against MC, who has some of the best PvP micro in the game, it's not a huge shame, but it might haunt him down the line should he face another Protoss player. We need to see more.

PvZ is the real question. If he played just PvT, we could already say Parting has a shot at the title. However, he's very likely to meet a Zerg opponent in the next round, as he will face the #1 finisher in Group D. That could be DongRaeGu or Nestea, meaning a trial by hellfire. We have yet to see Parting play PvZ in the GSL, and it's a bit worrisome knowing that PvZ and PvT are night and day for some players. Keep that oil bottled, it's not yet time to anoint a Protoss savior.


By the way, the best PvTs ever.

Did I mention it in passing? Jjakji and Parting played an insane set of games. Fionn put it correctly: just treat it like a combined best of seven, and it's already one of the best played series we've ever seen in the GSL. If there was just a little bit more drama, a bit more back story, and a few more "I've never seen this in a game before" moments, then I think we'd be putting the games up there as some of the best ever. At least in terms of pure gameplay, this was PvT's testament to how far the match-up has come in a year, similar to what DRG vs MMA did for TvZ. Well, go watch em!


The race for Protoss President: MC

In some ways, winning games in Starcraft is like having a good economy in real life politics. When the economy is bad, people don't give a damn about anything else. All other priorities be damned, just fix the goddamn economy! It's the same thing when a race can't win games. It's nice to win with aplomb, with style, and with elegance. But when there's just no winning going on at all, people don't care how you get those wins. All-ins, cheese, all sorts of tactics are acceptable. Obviously, there is a minimum level of morals to maintain in both spheres – we can't increase employment by creating state sponsored meth labs, just like we can't 4-gate every game (well, some Starcraft players have been as 'morally' bankrupt as politicians in that respect).

Let's look at the incumbent, and leading candidate for the Protoss Presidency, SK.MC. Some say he's not the sexiest candidate out there. Yes, he gets wins, but some voters are not happy with the nature of those wins. Too many all-ins! cry members of the disgruntled 'true skill' party. Bread and circuses! write the cynics. It's a reflection of the times that a once hero can be criticized so. Other Protoss players have come, shown that they can win, and win in a more attractive way. MC might be aggrieved. Have ye Protoss masses forgotten so soon, all that I have done for you in your darkest days? However, with so many rivals in this tournament, he may be ousted yet. Because as much as politics is cold, so is Starcraft.

Code S RO16, Group D Preview


By: Fionn

D is for Death



There are often talks about "Groups of Death" when it comes to the GSL. Sometimes you will get a group with three champions in them, such as GSL August, where Polt, MC and MVP all grouped together. However, Group D in the GSL Season One RO16 could make the case that it's the toughest group of death in GSL history. Not only does it have three-time GSL champion Nestea, three-time GSL runner-up MarineKing, the Blizzard Cup runner-up DongRaeGu, and 2010 BlizzCon champion Genius, but the collective record of all four players in the RO32 was an outstanding 16 wins, 3 losses. What makes it even more incredible is that three of those losses all belong to maybe the favorite of the entire group, MVP's ace, DongRaeGu. Furthermore, two of DRG's losses came against another member of this Group of Destruction, his long-time friend and teammate, Genius.

(Z)IMNesTea is entering this group as the veteran. After looking like he might be falling off the map, out of the finals picture since July and showing some miserable games against players like Huk in Code S, the God of Zerg has come into 2012 rejuvenated. He took down teammate MVP for the first time in the GSL and advanced from his RO32 group in first place.

He will be tested in all three match-ups in this group. First, he will have to go against the man who wants to take his Zerg crown away, in MVP's DongRaeGu. Nestea's ZvZ looked to be back to its dominating form in the first round against Idra, but it will be a big step up in competition when taking on the Blizzard Cup runner-up. Even at the age of 29, far above the GSL average, Nestea will be trying to accomplish what he's been lusting after for almost half a year: becoming the first player to win four GSL titles. Ever since beating teammate Losira in GSL July, winning his third championship with an undefeated record, it's been his sole goal. With MVP knocked out early in the tournament, the door is open for him to reach the four title plateau before his counterpart.

Trying to stop Nestea from getting his fourth title will be (Z)MvPDongRaeGu, who is coming off a very rocky first round. He got shellacked 2-0 against teammate Genius, and was taken to the brink of elimination against another teammate, sC. After his legendary battle against long-lasting rival MMA in the finals of the Blizzard Cup, DRG will be hungry to get to another final against his nemesis and win his first GSL title.

Unfortunately for him, this is the hardest group he could ask for; Nestea is still, even with the recent bumps in the road, the best ZvZ player on the planet. MarineKing, if you had forgotten, was the King of TvZ before MMA busted on the scene with to take that spot. And finally, there's Genius, the player who dismantled DRG only a short two weeks ago and has shown he knows how to take down his teammate. We all know DRG has the skill to crush everyone in his group and exit with a clean 4-0 record, advancing to the quarterfinals, but so does everyone else in the group on a good day. DRG will need to play twice as good as he did in the first round if he wants any chance of going through.

His first game in particular, should be an exciting challenge. After defeating countless minions in his way, DRG is finally standing directly in front of Nestea's throne. Can he be the one to knock the God off his perch?

Speaking of players who desperately want a title, I don't think anyone in the world wants to be in the Season One finals more than (T)MarineKingPrime. Since losing to MVP for a second time in during the GSL World Championship finals in March, the ace player from Prime hasn't been able to make it back to the grandest stage. He got close during the Super Tournament, swaggering his way into the semifinals, looking unstoppable on his way to his fourth finals. Up 2-0 against MMA, it all looked certain that he would be given a fourth chance at winning the gold, but he became but another victim in MMA's comeback legacy. Since then, MKP has been hard to place, bouncing from Code S to Code A, doing well in some non GSL tournaments, but unable to make it to even the quarterfinals of a GSL since May.

Finally, after eight months of waiting, the fans of the King of Marines can cheer, because their hero has finally made it back to the round of sixteen and looks better than ever. I will be the first to say that I doubted how MarineKing would fare in his opening group, having to play against two insanely difficult Terran players in Alive and Happy. Even worse, both players were capable of playing very slow, patient mech style builds that MVP has used time and time again to destroy the impatient, bio-heavy MarineKing. To my amazement, MarineKing was able to crush both players, actually showing something that I've never seen before with MKP: composure. He was cool, calm and collected. He didn't tilt when he fell behind and didn't overly force the issue to finish the game before the late game. He let the game come to him and he countered beautifully, showing that his tank-marine play is top class, even when put up against some of the best mech users on the planet.

Now that the man he cannot beat, MVP is out of the tournament, this is MarineKing's golden opportunity to at least make it to the finals. There are still a lot of great players left in the tournament, but MKP might have reason to be cautiously optimistic. Mvp and Supernova, two of players that countered him style-wise in his worst match-up, TvT, are out of the tournament. Against everyone else, he stands a real fighting chance. There may never be a better chance of winning a title.

The last member of the group might be the most surprising. That would of course be the Master of Ceremonies (sorry, MC) of GSL Season One, the former BlizzCon champion, (P)MVPGenius. Though he has been considered a player who hangs around Code S without achieving anything of importance at many points in his career, Genius showed us a different side of himself this season. When faced off against teammate DongRaeGu in the first match of the series, he was able to pull off precise builds that took his friend off of his game. It really felt like Genius was always two steps ahead, and he finished a 2 - 0 sweet with a hysterical ceremony in DongRaeGu's booth. He continued his rampage on his own team against sC, taking him with another 2 - 0 and also continuing his ceremony crusade, trying to bust his way into his teammate's booth. With his cheerful attitude and entertaining play style (check out his series against sC), he is becoming a fan favorite in the GSL. Protoss has had a long championship drought, and Genius is coming up as one of the candidates to end it.


Predictions:

DongRaeGu > Nestea
MarineKing > Genius
DongRaeGu > MarineKing
Nestea > Genius
MarineKing > Nestea

DongRaeGu and MarineKing advance.
















Art by Fishuu

Following Losira-Cat's elimination from Code A, we are looking for a suitable replacement.




Writers: Fionn and Waxangel.
Graphics and Art: Meko and Pony Tales (disciple and Lip the Pencilboy).
Editor: WaxAngel
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Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States13815 Posts
February 08 2012 17:42 GMT
#2
mkp over nestea? that is very bold sir.

Great article as always.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
See.Blue
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States2673 Posts
February 08 2012 17:45 GMT
#3
Amazing.
SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
February 08 2012 17:50 GMT
#4
MC might not make it to the finals, but I don't understand what you mean by "ousted in this tournament". You mean he will drop from being the best Protoss in the world? Not a chance. His only competitor was Oz, and he's in Code A. He destroyed Parting 2-0, and Puzzle is just a continual disappointment ever since looking amazing in Code A who somehow played well enough to get through to Ro8 - he will have to play really well to be a contender for the title. MC gets a lot of shtick for being inconsistent, but realistically no other Protoss has been anywhere close to as consistently good as him.
Olinimm
Profile Joined November 2011
1471 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-08 17:51:28
February 08 2012 17:50 GMT
#5
lol @ the race for president section. But still feels like MC doesn't get enough credit.
legoboomette
Profile Joined December 2011
England165 Posts
February 08 2012 17:50 GMT
#6
DRG beats Nestea in ZvZ? No way
Won(*3*)Chu KissMe!
ThE_OsToJiY
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
Canada1167 Posts
February 08 2012 17:53 GMT
#7
dark day for zergs everywhere.. Last group is too close to call, could go any way
@ostojiy
SHOOG
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States1639 Posts
February 08 2012 17:53 GMT
#8
I'm rooting for DRG and Genius!
Would be cool to see MKP do well though.
tombola
Profile Joined September 2011
41 Posts
February 08 2012 17:58 GMT
#9
Nestea beats DRG
Genius beats MKP
Nestea vs Genius could go either way
DRG beats MKP
the loser of the winners match beats DRG
Genius and Nestea advance
IMNotMvp
Profile Joined May 2011
Korea (South)530 Posts
February 08 2012 18:00 GMT
#10
mkp and genius advancing
Skwid1g
Profile Joined April 2011
United States953 Posts
February 08 2012 18:02 GMT
#11
I'd like to see Nestea win another GSL, but this is a pretty tough group... I'll still say Nestea makes it though.

Is this the first time seeing Nestea vs. MKP in the GSL since the s2 finals? Should be interesting, seeing as MKP seems to be on the rise and Nestea hasn't looked so great.
NaDa/Fantasy/Zero/Soulkey pls
DYEAlabaster
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Canada1009 Posts
February 08 2012 18:07 GMT
#12
DRG and MKP were my favourites as well, but I guess since those are the predictions, now they'll never happen
quannguyen
Profile Joined January 2012
Vietnam1390 Posts
February 08 2012 18:08 GMT
#13
Nestea > DRG
MKP > Genius
Nestea < MKP
DRG < Genius
Nestea < Genius
MKP and Genius advance

This is what I want to happen. GO MARINEKING!
Unlimited Warcraft Works and Super Starcraft Taisen ^^
MCDayC
Profile Joined March 2011
United Kingdom14464 Posts
February 08 2012 18:11 GMT
#14
Yes! I want Genius and ProfTea to go through, thanks Fionn! But seriously, this group could go any which way.
VERY FRAGILE, LIKE A BABY PANDA EGG
Noocta
Profile Joined June 2010
France12578 Posts
February 08 2012 18:12 GMT
#15
Protoss don't seems to want to lose this season. And i keep losing liquibet because of that.
" I'm not gonna fight you. I'm gonna kick your ass ! "
Olinimm
Profile Joined November 2011
1471 Posts
February 08 2012 18:15 GMT
#16
hope for DRG nestea, really not sure what to predict though.
PradamadeR
Profile Joined February 2012
123 Posts
February 08 2012 18:15 GMT
#17
MKP goes 4:1
and the last mathc will be between DRG and NesTea ,which will be a 2:1 for Nestea ,tho
Big2Fonz
Profile Joined March 2011
United States19 Posts
February 08 2012 18:15 GMT
#18
i want everyone to advance except genius.
i fap to tossgirl
VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
February 08 2012 18:17 GMT
#19
I think Genius could win this GSL if he keeps playing like he has been.
Clarity Gaming #1 Fan | Avid MTG Grinder | @VirgilSC2
DeaDoXFighting
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada115 Posts
February 08 2012 18:18 GMT
#20
DongRaeGu > Nestea is a pretty risky prediction here! Gl with that hehe

Go Liquid Hero !!!!!
Chunhyang
Profile Joined December 2011
Bangladesh1389 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-08 18:24:01
February 08 2012 18:21 GMT
#21
Crap and a half.

I am a member of the fan clubs of four players. These four. I'm torn.

I guess Genius to win and Nestea to place second, DRG in last.
If you could reason with haters, there would be no haters. YGTMYFT
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8302 Posts
February 08 2012 18:24 GMT
#22
On February 09 2012 03:18 DeaDoXFighting wrote:
DongRaeGu > Nestea is a pretty risky prediction here! Gl with that hehe



Everything's a risky prediction in this group tho! That's the beauty of it
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
1Eris1
Profile Joined September 2010
United States5797 Posts
February 08 2012 18:25 GMT
#23
Hasn't Genius already made everyone look like fools?

Don't make him do it again
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antilyon
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Brazil2546 Posts
February 08 2012 18:40 GMT
#24
At first I was happy with the prediction of MKP coming in second, but then I realized it was Fionn Carrier who wrote it =(

jk of course :p
Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
February 08 2012 18:40 GMT
#25
Gonna be a hell of a group. Making it out of this group will be a huge accomplishment in itself.
Team Slayers, Axiom-Acer and Vile forever
Tribuno
Profile Joined August 2011
Italy261 Posts
February 08 2012 18:45 GMT
#26
i really hope nestea win this group and gsl.. i think he can beat everyone in this group.. the only one who will be eventually hard to beat it is MMA. Anyway if nestea wins the first match i think he will advance with MKP.
ReturnStroke
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States801 Posts
February 08 2012 18:49 GMT
#27
Final games were so good
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
February 08 2012 18:54 GMT
#28
I hope Parting wins this GSL.

He needs to do double duty to bring honor back to the family after Bomber has dishonored it by dropping out of the GSL.
Vaapad
Profile Joined August 2011
Norway171 Posts
February 08 2012 18:55 GMT
#29
genius and drg/nestea imao.
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Sylailene
Profile Joined February 2011
91 Posts
February 08 2012 18:56 GMT
#30
Pretty bold predictions, I think genius will advance though, not sure who else, I'm hoping mkp(just cause it would be nice of he finally won the finals) but I guess any of them could be with genius going through
zul
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany5427 Posts
February 08 2012 18:58 GMT
#31
it`s a shame DRG and NesTea have to face each other in this round. (not that many zergs left in the GSL, ya know?!) I gotta disagree with tl staff and say Genius is going to own. DRG advances with him.


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Leifish
Profile Joined July 2011
851 Posts
February 08 2012 19:00 GMT
#32
MKP's going to bring it all in.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
February 08 2012 19:01 GMT
#33
DRG won't beat Genius. Pretty sure of that.

But we'll see obviously.
maru lover forever
Digitalis
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1043 Posts
February 08 2012 19:07 GMT
#34
God damn this group is hard, rooting for DRG and Nestea, but srsly everyone in the group has a good chance to make it out, it'll just depend who is on their game tonight.
phame21
Profile Joined August 2011
Australia43 Posts
February 08 2012 19:08 GMT
#35
I think we can safely say that Genius and Nestea advances.
That logic is post hoc ergo proctor hoc
jubil
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States2602 Posts
February 08 2012 19:08 GMT
#36
Uh oh, I have the same liquibet as Fionn....why would you do this to me? More importantly, why would you do this to Marineking : (
I really can't let my hopes get too high for MKP, it's a rough group for sure.
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jinkimcwilli
Profile Joined October 2011
10 Posts
February 08 2012 19:10 GMT
#37
MKP to advance with DRG


MC will always be the ObamaToss, he may be all-innish every single game, but all he does is win. All the time. Even when he fell out of GSL he was right back the next season(Through MLG seeding). He's a clinical finisher that has his timings perfect, the only time he loses is when his head isn't in it like we saw this summer. He's focused this season and I think he'll go all the way.
RageBot
Profile Joined November 2010
Israel1530 Posts
February 08 2012 19:10 GMT
#38
Go DRG and MKP!

MKP for GSL winner!
Balgrog
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1221 Posts
February 08 2012 19:12 GMT
#39
Awesome write ups man! I use these to choose what games to watch in the morning as i eat breakfast and what not. Th's a bummer that the MC games werent good, but at least we were redeemed by the final series!
The only way to attack structure is with chaos.
TheRealPaciFist
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States1049 Posts
February 08 2012 19:13 GMT
#40
Nah nah man, you got it all wrong!

Nestea > DongRaeGu // because Nestea is the Professor of ZvZ
Genius > MarineKing // because MKP ain't been nearly as hot as Genius lately
Genius > Nestea // because Protoss are going to keep surprising us this season
DongRaeGu > MarineKing // because DRG is going to bloody well get out of this group...
DongRaeGu > Nestea // ...no matter what it takes!

Genius and DRG advance
=D
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Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States329 Posts
February 08 2012 19:15 GMT
#41
D R G. D R G. I want D R G and Nestea to advance so we have 3 terran 3 toss and 2 zerg in the RO8. Would make for some great games.
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
February 08 2012 19:21 GMT
#42
1st: Nestea
2nd: DRG

The last two zergs and the finest the race can offer...
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
Baha
Profile Joined June 2010
Spain64 Posts
February 08 2012 19:31 GMT
#43
I'd like both Zergs to pass through this round. They're in good shape and we need zergs at RO8 so please NesTea make it happen :D
A Wet Shamwow
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1590 Posts
February 08 2012 19:33 GMT
#44
In his winner's interview parting said his best matchup is pvz.
I sure hope it is.
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
February 08 2012 19:36 GMT
#45
On February 09 2012 04:33 A Wet Shamwow wrote:
In his winner's interview parting said his best matchup is pvz.
I sure hope it is.


Me too, I'd like to see Nestea thoroughly tested in that MU after what appears to be his post-slump. Can't really distinguish where he stands against protoss as of late. Hope he meets Genius tonight too :D
NesTea | Mvp | MC | Leenock | Losira | Gumiho | DRG | Taeja | Jinro | Stephano | Thorzain | Sen | Idra |Polt | Bomber | Symbol | Squirtle | Fantasy | Jaedong | Maru | sOs | Seed | ByuN | ByuL | Neeb| Scarlett | Rogue | IM forever
SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
February 08 2012 19:37 GMT
#46
Genius gonna let some people down. With the exception of Parting, every single hyped Dark Horse going into Code S this season has disappointed. SuperNova, Keen, forGG, Brown...

He looked really good before, but I don't see him beating DRG again. Nestea looks like he's back in the swing of things, and MKP... MKP looks beatable. But it would be hard for Genius.

Out of the rest of them, I see DRG and Nestea as the strongest. Nestea is a god at ZvZ, and MKP has a history of coming second to both Nestea and DRG. DRG's ZvP looks pretty insane, too. Out of the two, I don't know ranking.

But I'm gonna go with

DRG
Nestea
MKP
Genius
Personamb
Profile Joined September 2010
United States23 Posts
February 08 2012 19:43 GMT
#47
What was Genius' ceremony against DRG in the RO32?
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ZackAttack
Profile Joined June 2011
United States884 Posts
February 08 2012 19:47 GMT
#48
Nestea Genius!
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Zvenn3n
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Sweden1196 Posts
February 08 2012 20:04 GMT
#49
Too close to call, but I'm still hoping for Genius to advance.
JJH777
Profile Joined January 2011
United States4378 Posts
February 08 2012 20:05 GMT
#50
Nestea is our only hope for even half way decent games for the rest of the tournament. PvT and PvP are so terrible.

Nestea never looked like he wasn't going to hit another finals sorry you made an extremely bad call at the beginning of Code S and are trying to cover it up. If anyone looked like they were never going to hit finals again it would be MC and MKP they deserved far more flak than Nestea yet didn't get nearly as much.
bundo
Profile Joined February 2011
Canada113 Posts
February 08 2012 20:12 GMT
#51
im think genius and nestea to advance but hoping for MKP genius
Lysanias
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands8351 Posts
February 08 2012 20:17 GMT
#52
I am going with Nestea and MKP advancing.
babybell
Profile Joined June 2011
776 Posts
February 08 2012 20:23 GMT
#53
Genius is going to crush the group.
MKP for second place.
Yes, I fall for the Genius streak hype and hate zerg
Seraphone
Profile Joined January 2012
United Kingdom1219 Posts
February 08 2012 20:26 GMT
#54
On February 09 2012 04:37 SeaSwift wrote:
Genius gonna let some people down. With the exception of Parting, every single hyped Dark Horse going into Code S this season has disappointed. SuperNova, Keen, forGG, Brown...

He looked really good before, but I don't see him beating DRG again. Nestea looks like he's back in the swing of things, and MKP... MKP looks beatable. But it would be hard for Genius.

Out of the rest of them, I see DRG and Nestea as the strongest. Nestea is a god at ZvZ, and MKP has a history of coming second to both Nestea and DRG. DRG's ZvP looks pretty insane, too. Out of the two, I don't know ranking.

But I'm gonna go with

DRG
Nestea
MKP
Genius


I'd say Alive is a darkforce and he's done well.
Mvp, Nestea, Leenock, MC, Oz, Jjakji!
crocodile
Profile Joined February 2011
United States615 Posts
February 08 2012 20:43 GMT
#55
Protoss is so strong right now, I wouldn't bet against any Protoss, especially after Jjakji of all people didn't make it out of his group, with one of the best TvPs in the world. I'm calling Genius and Nestea make it out. Unless DRG's ZvZ is better than Nestea's, in which case Genius and DRG make it out. I say Nestea first because he seemed very confident when he picked DRG into his group, and you can't doubt the God of Zerg.

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Frazzlehoon
Profile Joined July 2008
United States3455 Posts
February 08 2012 20:47 GMT
#56
Lets go DRG and Foxer! I'm rooting for the cuties.
SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
February 08 2012 20:48 GMT
#57
On February 09 2012 05:26 Seraphone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 04:37 SeaSwift wrote:
Genius gonna let some people down. With the exception of Parting, every single hyped Dark Horse going into Code S this season has disappointed. SuperNova, Keen, forGG, Brown...

He looked really good before, but I don't see him beating DRG again. Nestea looks like he's back in the swing of things, and MKP... MKP looks beatable. But it would be hard for Genius.

Out of the rest of them, I see DRG and Nestea as the strongest. Nestea is a god at ZvZ, and MKP has a history of coming second to both Nestea and DRG. DRG's ZvP looks pretty insane, too. Out of the two, I don't know ranking.

But I'm gonna go with

DRG
Nestea
MKP
Genius


I'd say Alive is a darkforce and he's done well.


alive wasn't hyped at all, definitely not to the extent of Genius or the others. He's a known quantity.
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
February 08 2012 20:49 GMT
#58
On February 09 2012 04:43 Personamb wrote:
What was Genius' ceremony against DRG in the RO32?


Ran into DRG's booth and thumbs downed him doing a funny face.

Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain17915 Posts
February 08 2012 21:04 GMT
#59
On February 09 2012 02:42 sermokala wrote:
mkp over nestea? that is very bold sir.

Great article as always.


It's Fionn and he's tired of being wrong. But he has uncovered a devious scheme for being right: he will predict the exact opposite of what he actually beleives will happen. It cannot fail!
aintz
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada5624 Posts
February 08 2012 21:16 GMT
#60
On February 09 2012 05:49 Fragile51 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 04:43 Personamb wrote:
What was Genius' ceremony against DRG in the RO32?


Ran into DRG's booth and thumbs downed him doing a funny face.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xof3uwJ8Ehg


so good.

genius and drg inc.
DinosaurJones
Profile Joined February 2012
United States1000 Posts
February 08 2012 21:21 GMT
#61
I really cannot predict this group... so hard.

I'm going to go with Nestea and DRG because I want there to be some zerg representation, but I can see any of these 4 guys advancing.
mcrwvr
Profile Joined May 2011
22 Posts
February 08 2012 21:35 GMT
#62
It would be so awesome to see Genius advance. His play in RO32 was so crisp. I really want to see him advance.
It can go either way though imho. Really is an unclear group. Do hope that Nestea keeps his stride though.
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B.I.G.
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3251 Posts
February 08 2012 21:39 GMT
#63
i say DRG and genius
Fragile51
Profile Joined October 2011
Netherlands15767 Posts
February 08 2012 21:40 GMT
#64
DRG and Genius all the way! But i can just as easily see Nestea and MKP go through, hardest group to call imo
Lee Wang
Profile Joined January 2011
13 Posts
February 08 2012 21:42 GMT
#65
"Obviously, there is a minimum level of morals to maintain in both spheres – we can't increase employment by creating state sponsored meth labs"

Actually you can, that's the whole point of a keynesian slump. I wouldn't be very productive and there are surely better ways to put people to work but in theory state sponsored meth labs are just as good as private jobs in the health industry.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
February 08 2012 21:43 GMT
#66
Excellent articles.
I would argue that Jjakji vs Parting was more like Leenock vs Jjakji than MMA vs DRG. It wasn't the best storyline, but it was the highest level of skill display.
But I'm glad you gave this serie the honors it deserves And I hope to see a writeup about this serie as hinted in the article.

Tomorrow's group is so insane, not only in term of skill level, but in term of storylines.
MKP, after months of non convincing play, is back in full form...he and Nestea is a long story. He and DRG is another rivalry.
DRG, Nestea, Genius...there are so much things to say, and you said those things very well in the article.
Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10316 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-08 22:01:55
February 08 2012 22:01 GMT
#67
The race for Protoss President: MC


LOL THIS SECTION WAS AMAZING!!! really nice job ROFL!

I'm sad jjakji lost oh well! MC FIGHTING!

Gumiho MMA MC Nestea FIGHTING!

(Lol, it's like the 4 best players, well jjakji is debatable since he's pretty new, except that MVP isn't there, but perhaps MVP will be entering a slump... the new taekbangleessang? )

Or even Gumiho Puzzle Parting DRG/MKP would be cool :D
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Frankon
Profile Joined May 2010
3054 Posts
February 08 2012 22:02 GMT
#68
Fion you want to curse MKP....
silyaznfoo
Profile Joined December 2011
45 Posts
February 08 2012 22:05 GMT
#69
I know OMG. My bets were the same as Fionn's, not the same match order but still.... I'm doomed....
Pipeline
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden1673 Posts
February 08 2012 22:20 GMT
#70
Need both zergs to advance from this group, I can't stand another ro8/ro16 gsl with 90% terrans and a few protoss. Now its more even with protoss and terran but no zergs will make me lose interest in code S fast.

On a similar note Nestea is partially responsible for this by selecting a fellow zerg when only 3 made it through to the ro16 group selection
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
February 08 2012 22:30 GMT
#71
This is such a sick group. Really, really can't wait.

DongRaeGu < Nestea
MarineKing < Genius
Nestea > Genius
DongRaeGu > MarineKing
DongRaeGu > Genius

Nestea and DRG advance. Come on!
Long live the King of Wings
TolEranceNA
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada434 Posts
February 08 2012 22:32 GMT
#72
I am going to let me zerg bias take over here - DRG + Nestea
Arotsis:"Nestea, what do you think about Zerg?" Nestea:"...Sad."
LimitSEA
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
Australia9580 Posts
February 08 2012 22:36 GMT
#73
On February 09 2012 06:16 aintz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 05:49 Fragile51 wrote:
On February 09 2012 04:43 Personamb wrote:
What was Genius' ceremony against DRG in the RO32?


Ran into DRG's booth and thumbs downed him doing a funny face.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xof3uwJ8Ehg


so good.

genius and drg inc.

I totally missed the sC vs Genius thing, oh man that's hilarious xD The MVP guys are the best, gotta love em.
Long live the King of Wings
dafpoo
Profile Joined February 2011
United States11 Posts
February 08 2012 22:36 GMT
#74
MC will always be the Protoss President in my eyes :D

My Predictions:

Nestea > DongRaeGu
Genius > MarineKing
Nestea > Genius
DongRaeGu > MarineKing
Genius > DongRaeGu

Nestea and Genius advance
Have you ever met a coyote?
FidoDido
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1292 Posts
February 08 2012 22:37 GMT
#75
Nestea is going to win this GSL... now that MVP is out of the picture, no one can stop him on his way to the finals.
(This is the GSL we're talking about, the only tournament Nestea cares about)
LGIMSeed FantasyToss~~ Hipster Seed fan before he made Code A
weiliem
Profile Joined January 2008
2061 Posts
February 08 2012 22:37 GMT
#76
NO FIONN!!! Y U PREDICT DRG and MKP?!! T.T my 2 favourites are gonna be out....
Oppa feeding style
CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
February 08 2012 22:38 GMT
#77
Hope Nestea and Genius advance... XD
Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
Gorlin
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2753 Posts
February 08 2012 22:43 GMT
#78
Interesting that you regarded the last game between Jjakji and Parting as the better match. Both were absolutely amazing, but I found game 1 of that set to be more exciting.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33192 Posts
February 08 2012 22:54 GMT
#79
On February 09 2012 07:43 Gorlin wrote:
Interesting that you regarded the last game between Jjakji and Parting as the better match. Both were absolutely amazing, but I found game 1 of that set to be more exciting.


elimination game made it more tense at the time D:
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RemarK
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States452 Posts
February 08 2012 22:56 GMT
#80
Parting vs jjakji on metropolis was nexus first vs CC first, not rax expand. Sorry if that's already been pointed out. Great article!
I <3 StarCraft.
NuclearJudas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
6546 Posts
February 08 2012 22:58 GMT
#81
With the form Genius is in, he should smash this group hard.
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TheNessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4158 Posts
February 08 2012 23:16 GMT
#82
mkp falls in group d i feel like thats obvious
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TheNessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4158 Posts
February 08 2012 23:16 GMT
#83
On February 09 2012 07:58 NuclearJudas wrote:
With the form Genius is in, he should smash this group hard.

yeah right this is what i predict also
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Severus_
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
759 Posts
February 08 2012 23:17 GMT
#84
Nestea,Genius advance from group D.
ThirdDegree
Profile Joined February 2011
United States329 Posts
February 08 2012 23:25 GMT
#85
I feel like DRG is stronger than Nestea at the moment, but as it's been stated, this group could go any way. I'd love for both Nestea and DRG to get through, if nothing else for some good racial balance. Can't wait to watch these games!
I am terrible
Leifish
Profile Joined July 2011
851 Posts
February 08 2012 23:30 GMT
#86
Parting's stealing some well-deserved un-used potential and spotlight from Bomber in StarTale.

With none of the colossal hype or fanbase to boot. This guy's proved himself via self-made process. Commendations all day.
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33192 Posts
February 08 2012 23:31 GMT
#87
if parting gets drg or nestea and wins, I feel like the world will implode D:
AdministratorHey HP can you redo everything youve ever done because i have a small complaint?
CosmicSpiral
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States15275 Posts
February 08 2012 23:35 GMT
#88
So Genius and Nestea? I'll be sure to hide this article from my betting circle.
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Greggle
Profile Joined June 2010
United States1131 Posts
February 08 2012 23:45 GMT
#89
DongRaeGu < Nestea
MarineKing > Genius
Nestea<MarineKing
Genius>DongRaeGu
Nestea>Genius
Life is too short to take it seriously.
THM
Profile Joined November 2010
Bulgaria1131 Posts
February 09 2012 00:02 GMT
#90
Few things could make me more happy than Foxer winning his group tomorrow.

FOXER FIGHTING!!!!
Duravi
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1205 Posts
February 09 2012 00:03 GMT
#91
I think people need to consider the whole picture when looking at MC's games. The way he opened against Ganzi both games could have transitioned into longer games. Instead, he saw some weakness, and decided to pull the trigger, and when it comes to trigger pulling MC is the best in the business. In neither game could I see anything that indicated he wanted to all-in from the get go, I could be wrong. MC lives and dies on the quality of the reads he makes in game, and as of late they have been spot on. It is a different style then the traditional "safe" play many western pros seem to judge as the best way to play, and MC is often judged poorly because of it, but it works.
NinjaGod
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1 Post
February 09 2012 00:07 GMT
#92
MKP and Professor Tea all the way!
Don't feel bad. A lot of people have no talent
GhostLink
Profile Joined January 2011
United States450 Posts
February 09 2012 00:18 GMT
#93
In my own predictions, Nestea will 2-0 DRG, but in 2 very close back and forth games, and Genius will roflstomp Marineking.
Then, Genius will take out Nestea, advancing as 1st place, and DRG will take out Marineking in 2 back and forth games. Finally, it will come down to Nestea vs DRG, and this one is hard to predict. I'll give Nestea the edge, going 2-1 against DRG.

This is mostly based on the way Genius has played in the past rounds. It was just something else, and if he keeps it up, i don't see anybody besides maybe MC stopping him.
Let a man play chess, and tell him that every pawn is his friend. Let him think both bishops holy. Let him remember happy days in the shadows of his castles. Let him love his queen. Watch him lose them all.
Let it Raine
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada1245 Posts
February 09 2012 00:21 GMT
#94
i predict both of the gosu zergs advancing
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Yoshi Kirishima
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States10316 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-09 00:25:20
February 09 2012 00:24 GMT
#95
On February 09 2012 07:54 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 07:43 Gorlin wrote:
Interesting that you regarded the last game between Jjakji and Parting as the better match. Both were absolutely amazing, but I found game 1 of that set to be more exciting.


elimination game made it more tense at the time D:


Hmm yeah I'd have to say set 1 was better, even with the match in mind. 2nd game was really intense too and had lots of micro and long/frequent battles, but i liked 1 more.


On February 09 2012 09:03 Duravi wrote:
I think people need to consider the whole picture when looking at MC's games. The way he opened against Ganzi both games could have transitioned into longer games. Instead, he saw some weakness, and decided to pull the trigger, and when it comes to trigger pulling MC is the best in the business. In neither game could I see anything that indicated he wanted to all-in from the get go, I could be wrong. MC lives and dies on the quality of the reads he makes in game, and as of late they have been spot on. It is a different style then the traditional "safe" play many western pros seem to judge as the best way to play, and MC is often judged poorly because of it, but it works.


Interesting, I never considered this o.o I'll have to look more carefully next time. Thanks for sharing this
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HQuality
Profile Joined October 2009
2682 Posts
February 09 2012 00:27 GMT
#96
On February 09 2012 03:08 quannguyen wrote:
Nestea > DRG
MKP > Genius
Nestea < MKP
DRG < Genius
Nestea < Genius
MKP and Genius advance

This is what I want to happen. GO MARINEKING!

so true
betting for this scenario
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BretZ
Profile Joined May 2011
United States1510 Posts
February 09 2012 00:29 GMT
#97
Parting vs jjakji got me so excited, such good PvTs T.T PARTING FIGHTING
andaylin
Profile Joined August 2010
United States10830 Posts
February 09 2012 00:34 GMT
#98
MKP got this EZ!
"Hard work beats talent when talent fails to work hard." - Kevin Durant
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-09 00:45:23
February 09 2012 00:44 GMT
#99
On February 09 2012 09:03 Duravi wrote:
I think people need to consider the whole picture when looking at MC's games. The way he opened against Ganzi both games could have transitioned into longer games. Instead, he saw some weakness, and decided to pull the trigger, and when it comes to trigger pulling MC is the best in the business. In neither game could I see anything that indicated he wanted to all-in from the get go, I could be wrong. MC lives and dies on the quality of the reads he makes in game, and as of late they have been spot on. It is a different style then the traditional "safe" play many western pros seem to judge as the best way to play, and MC is often judged poorly because of it, but it works.

Yeah, it's true. But let's say he sees weakness in 95% of his games xD But it's possible he doesn't plan for it, he's notoriously good at knowing when to be aggressive.
mage36
Profile Joined May 2011
415 Posts
February 09 2012 01:16 GMT
#100
i have no idea who is going to make it out of this group. It seems like each one of them has a chance. But I'd give the biggest to Nestea and DRG just coz of their status in the league.
imPERSONater
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1324 Posts
February 09 2012 02:01 GMT
#101
I am going to kill myself tomorrow with lack of sleep, but I HAVE to see this group. So excited. DRG & Nestea fighting!
Fan of: IdrA, Sen, Stephano, Snute, Axlav, Hero
Greenei
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany1754 Posts
February 09 2012 02:20 GMT
#102
I think it's totally stupid, that Parting lost against MC. MC does nothing but executing, he never does never stuff or thinks about the game, simply executing. Parting on the other hand is such a smart player, reacting to what he sees and such. He just seems to be a little too greedy. (When your opponent allins PULL YOUR PROBES EARLIER game1). And sac the Nexus (game 2), though I have to say his micro was pretty impressive in game 2, he played so much better then MC T_T
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zyrene
Profile Joined March 2011
Philippines8 Posts
February 09 2012 02:44 GMT
#103
You cant win by just being smart you have to execute your plans as well. It may not require a heavy load of thinking with what MC did to Parting but MC being able to determine that he will have a great chance in winning with what he did against Parting is pretty smart to me.
Olinimm
Profile Joined November 2011
1471 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-09 02:56:45
February 09 2012 02:56 GMT
#104
On February 09 2012 11:20 Greenei wrote:
I think it's totally stupid, that Parting lost against MC. MC does nothing but executing, he never does never stuff or thinks about the game, simply executing. Parting on the other hand is such a smart player, reacting to what he sees and such. He just seems to be a little too greedy. (When your opponent allins PULL YOUR PROBES EARLIER game1). And sac the Nexus (game 2), though I have to say his micro was pretty impressive in game 2, he played so much better then MC T_T

Umm, bullcrap. MC is the protoss that has innovated and popularized more Protoss strategies than anyone. Plus, MC is the one who reacted, Parting is the one who decided to take a risk an expand in PvP. He even had the superior build, and still lost. Yup that's definitely playing better.
babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
February 09 2012 03:01 GMT
#105
On February 09 2012 11:56 Olinimm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 11:20 Greenei wrote:
I think it's totally stupid, that Parting lost against MC. MC does nothing but executing, he never does never stuff or thinks about the game, simply executing. Parting on the other hand is such a smart player, reacting to what he sees and such. He just seems to be a little too greedy. (When your opponent allins PULL YOUR PROBES EARLIER game1). And sac the Nexus (game 2), though I have to say his micro was pretty impressive in game 2, he played so much better then MC T_T

Umm, bullcrap. MC is the protoss that has innovated and popularized more Protoss strategies than anyone. Plus, MC is the one who reacted, Parting is the one who decided to take a risk an expand in PvP. He even had the superior build, and still lost. Yup that's definitely playing better.

MC's basically the innovator of X-gate timings, lol.

Parting is ... interesting. Having just watched his vJjakji games, I have to say I think he's definitely a very intelligent player. His style's very refined, and he knows how to play it well. I'm intrigued to see what he'll bring to the table.
Greenei
Profile Joined November 2011
Germany1754 Posts
February 09 2012 03:13 GMT
#106
On February 09 2012 11:56 Olinimm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 11:20 Greenei wrote:
I think it's totally stupid, that Parting lost against MC. MC does nothing but executing, he never does never stuff or thinks about the game, simply executing. Parting on the other hand is such a smart player, reacting to what he sees and such. He just seems to be a little too greedy. (When your opponent allins PULL YOUR PROBES EARLIER game1). And sac the Nexus (game 2), though I have to say his micro was pretty impressive in game 2, he played so much better then MC T_T

Umm, bullcrap. MC is the protoss that has innovated and popularized more Protoss strategies than anyone. Plus, MC is the one who reacted, Parting is the one who decided to take a risk an expand in PvP. He even had the superior build, and still lost. Yup that's definitely playing better.


I didn't say, that MC is stealing builds or that he doesn't create new timings. I'm saying, that MC pretty much always goes into a game with the mindset of killing the opponent at minute x no matter what he does. In every single game he did a 1 or 2base timingattack.
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opsayo
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
591 Posts
February 09 2012 03:14 GMT
#107
I'm sorry if this is the wrong place to ask, but in the summary it says "watch these games!"

Where can I watch these games?
TheRealFluid
Profile Joined June 2011
United States501 Posts
February 09 2012 03:29 GMT
#108
Nestea and Genius to advance plox.

Genius: Just like old times eh Nestea?
Nestea: Aye.
"The wings don't make you fly and the crown don't make you king.||"What do you say to god of gg? NOT TODAY" -John the Translator. "Give me Command" -Yellow.
Bippzy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1466 Posts
February 09 2012 03:30 GMT
#109
omigod GSL is SO good!

I want Nestea or DRG to win so Parting can beat them and solidify his new protoss godliness. If Parting keeps winning I'm switching to toss and using his builds.
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imPERSONater
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States1324 Posts
February 09 2012 04:02 GMT
#110
On February 09 2012 12:13 Greenei wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 11:56 Olinimm wrote:
On February 09 2012 11:20 Greenei wrote:
I think it's totally stupid, that Parting lost against MC. MC does nothing but executing, he never does never stuff or thinks about the game, simply executing. Parting on the other hand is such a smart player, reacting to what he sees and such. He just seems to be a little too greedy. (When your opponent allins PULL YOUR PROBES EARLIER game1). And sac the Nexus (game 2), though I have to say his micro was pretty impressive in game 2, he played so much better then MC T_T

Umm, bullcrap. MC is the protoss that has innovated and popularized more Protoss strategies than anyone. Plus, MC is the one who reacted, Parting is the one who decided to take a risk an expand in PvP. He even had the superior build, and still lost. Yup that's definitely playing better.


I didn't say, that MC is stealing builds or that he doesn't create new timings. I'm saying, that MC pretty much always goes into a game with the mindset of killing the opponent at minute x no matter what he does. In every single game he did a 1 or 2base timingattack.


I think the general feeling about most people is not that he sets minute x to kill them, but rather he sees the opponent's build and decides the best time to kill them.

In fact, I think you could argue he has a much greater understanding of SC than most. He not only plays near perfect at his style, but he knows the weaknesses of most builds he plays and exploits that weakness to its maximum potential. He knows when they will be susceptible and attacks with almost all-in agression in great timings. It isn't necessarily the most fun to watch, but you cannot argue it isn't successful.
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Wuster
Profile Joined May 2011
1974 Posts
February 09 2012 04:38 GMT
#111
On February 09 2012 09:44 MrCon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 09:03 Duravi wrote:
I think people need to consider the whole picture when looking at MC's games. The way he opened against Ganzi both games could have transitioned into longer games. Instead, he saw some weakness, and decided to pull the trigger, and when it comes to trigger pulling MC is the best in the business. In neither game could I see anything that indicated he wanted to all-in from the get go, I could be wrong. MC lives and dies on the quality of the reads he makes in game, and as of late they have been spot on. It is a different style then the traditional "safe" play many western pros seem to judge as the best way to play, and MC is often judged poorly because of it, but it works.

Yeah, it's true. But let's say he sees weakness in 95% of his games xD But it's possible he doesn't plan for it, he's notoriously good at knowing when to be aggressive.


I tend to agree, I wonder how much of the decision to go with that bust in was preplanned and how much due to Ganzi donating ~10 marines when MC expanded. My impression is that MC first decides to see if he can bust or not, then decides to go for the long game.

After all, his micro was good enough to kill Ganzi in G2 with a pressure build, so he hardly has to go fully all-in to exploit any weakness he sees. Kind of reminds me of how good Alicia was back in his prime (knocking MVP down to Code A with a 3-gate expand specifically).

MC also, is very, very confident in his micro/control and more than wililng to go all out with attacks that he shouldn't be able to win. That's a failing, which I think is common in Protoss and encouraged by the fact that good/bad FF can swing a battle so drastically. It makes it so hard for players to make those split second fight/flight evaluations, and more often than not their confidence just shines though and they fight (like Oz vs MMA, I can FF this! oh wait, that's too big, crap).

This is similar to when *every* TvT opened with each player trying to outmicro the other with a banshee harass, so maybe it's more of a pro-gamer trait.
winthrop
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Hong Kong956 Posts
February 09 2012 05:26 GMT
#112
i know you want Nestea to advance.
just dont keep cursing the ppl
shoule make uncertain predictions
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theRayeGun
Profile Joined February 2012
Singapore12 Posts
February 09 2012 05:39 GMT
#113
I want to see everyone advance. GAWD WHY IS TODAY'S GROUP SO GOOD?
theRayeGun
Profile Joined February 2012
Singapore12 Posts
February 09 2012 05:42 GMT
#114
On February 09 2012 12:14 opsayo wrote:
I'm sorry if this is the wrong place to ask, but in the summary it says "watch these games!"

Where can I watch these games?


GOMTV.net you need to have the season ticket to watch the vods though.
Olinimm
Profile Joined November 2011
1471 Posts
February 09 2012 05:42 GMT
#115
On February 09 2012 12:13 Greenei wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 09 2012 11:56 Olinimm wrote:
On February 09 2012 11:20 Greenei wrote:
I think it's totally stupid, that Parting lost against MC. MC does nothing but executing, he never does never stuff or thinks about the game, simply executing. Parting on the other hand is such a smart player, reacting to what he sees and such. He just seems to be a little too greedy. (When your opponent allins PULL YOUR PROBES EARLIER game1). And sac the Nexus (game 2), though I have to say his micro was pretty impressive in game 2, he played so much better then MC T_T

Umm, bullcrap. MC is the protoss that has innovated and popularized more Protoss strategies than anyone. Plus, MC is the one who reacted, Parting is the one who decided to take a risk an expand in PvP. He even had the superior build, and still lost. Yup that's definitely playing better.


I didn't say, that MC is stealing builds or that he doesn't create new timings. I'm saying, that MC pretty much always goes into a game with the mindset of killing the opponent at minute x no matter what he does. In every single game he did a 1 or 2base timingattack.

Yeah but he played just 4 games, and 2 were PvPs. Parting did timing attacks too, he just lost so he had the chance to play more games. You guys are acting as if MC never plays a macro game or innovated anything that isn't a timing attack and it's not true.
ChriS-X
Profile Joined June 2011
Malaysia1374 Posts
February 09 2012 06:13 GMT
#116
fionn has spoken. expect nestea and genius to advance
Xivsa
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1009 Posts
February 09 2012 06:55 GMT
#117
Should be some great matches, can't wait.
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Velinath
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States694 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-09 07:21:06
February 09 2012 07:08 GMT
#118
If Nestea and MKP play each other in this group, I predict MKP winning. Nestea's late game has not impressed me for a while now.

e: I also have to wake up at 6:30 am tomorrow, and these games don't start till 2 my time. Damn you, GOM.
power-overwhelming
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada306 Posts
February 09 2012 07:10 GMT
#119
All this MC hate lol. If you know you can win early, why not? Macro games? He already destroyed Bomber with it. Maybe when he faces MMA you will see a macro game. Either way, if he wins a game early cue all the omg MC on all ins QQ, and when he wins long macro games cue the omg Protoss imba.

No one is ever satisfied with MC apart from his fans lol. Don't blame MC if the opponent can't last.
-Archangel-
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia7457 Posts
February 09 2012 07:32 GMT
#120
I hope for DRG and Nestea to advance, there need to be some zergs in ro8 so it is less boring.

If not both then I want neither, about time zerg start whining their way to buffs like protoss did :D
Checkm8
Profile Joined March 2011
Japan627 Posts
February 09 2012 07:40 GMT
#121
Parting survives Fionn's curse? O.O
Regenerating brain cells, please wait - - -
kimchikid
Profile Joined January 2012
Sweden162 Posts
February 09 2012 08:49 GMT
#122
Ohh my god its time for group of death. Yesterday was unbelievably entertaining, at least if you like protoss, and today I have high expectations.

My predictions: MKP and Nestea.

But impossible to guess, if DRG and Genius will go through I wont be surprised. Genius impressed on me very much in the previous group.
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
February 09 2012 10:30 GMT
#123
Small error in my piece. The overall group record for the four players in Group D were 16-4. MKP and Genius went 4-0, but Nestea did lose a game to MVP. So it was 16-4 instead of 16-3. Small mistake, but just realizing it now so it is cleared up.
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Xenomorph
Profile Joined May 2010
United States137 Posts
February 09 2012 13:47 GMT
#124
Protoss finally getting representation from my favorite Korean Protoss players. VINDICATION!
Intrepid Traveler
Zato-1
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Chile4253 Posts
February 09 2012 14:26 GMT
#125
I have to agree with Tastosis- MKP looks pretty outclassed in this group, and will probably not advance. I'm hoping for a DRG-Nestea winning combination to inject some Zerg DNA into the Ro8! I like Genius, but I'd rather see some PvZ quarterfinals over PvP.
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TheTurk
Profile Joined January 2011
United States732 Posts
February 09 2012 15:04 GMT
#126
Parting and MC.
I. Called. That. Shit.
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Bagration
Profile Blog Joined October 2011
United States18282 Posts
February 09 2012 18:23 GMT
#127
MMA and drg are immune to Fionn's curse it seems
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GunPaladin
Profile Joined September 2011
United States1205 Posts
February 09 2012 21:10 GMT
#128
2012 is the year of Protoss, even iNcontrol has stepped it up.
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