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September 29th, 2011 23:04 GMT

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[image loading] Liquipedia: DreamHack Valencia Invitational

Tournament Recap:
Little Event - Big Punch


Q&A with col.MVP_DongRaeGu

Oh, just so you know, the Replays are out.

The tournament that promised to be the most insane one-day event ever lived up to expectations, delivering some intense, high-quality matches. We had small and big upsets everywhere, and we came oh so close to having the BIGGEST upset by having a foreigner finally win, but alas. All in all, everyone came out looking better at this event: The players for their inspired play, DreamHack for its great production, and Spain for its beautiful women who were complimented more than once by the participating players.

The invitational series is an intriguing option for DreamHack, and it will be interesting to see where they go with it in the future. While their main summer and winter events are the most epic stream-a-thons known to ESPORTS, the invitationals have been satisfying in their own cozy way. Maybe there's room for growth here, who knows? All we know is that DreamHack know how to make a great viewing experience, and we look forward to their future events.


Little Event - Big Punch

By: Techno

Bearing DreamHack's signature of approval, this small Valencia invitational featured eight championship-level players and was jam-packed with great matches. As an e-Sports writer and veteran of fighting game events and LANs for ten+ years, I really enjoyed watching the event and revelled in all the little touches and details that the DreamHack production crew (and their partners Carnales Corprivatos) put into organizing it. I thought I'd pay them a few compliments for running a shiny and spotless event before we got down to the nitty gritty; here's a few things you might not have caught on to:

Sick Venue
Veles e Vents, also known as the America's Cup Building, is a wonder of modern architecture. Seriously it's a sick building in a location on Spain's beautiful beaches, basically squares stacked on top of each other. It was designed by master architect David Chipperfield, who I've never heard of but apparently he's the man to talk to if you want something built. Check out this sweet video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=csK8sLGReBo

The only downside of this venue is that the actual event hall could only fit about what looked like eighty spectators, which seemed awful small compared to the enormity of the talent gathered there.

Great Casters
When I first came upon TotalBiscuit and dApollo, I wasn't as impressed as I should have been. It's an interesting duo; one sounds like a professional football commentator, and the other talks as if he were explaining the action to a small child. At Valencia they appeared to have reached a higher plateau of synergy. Most of Apollo's predictions were spot on, and TB has continuously improved on already exciting play-by-plays and expanded his reactive vocabulary. The pair made a great casting team and came well-prepared for the event.

Cute Girl Host + Eyebrows Guy
I didn't catch the guy's name but Hailey Bright is SUPER CUTE. I love brunettes. She's also the host of Coin-Op TV, and seems to balance knowing a reasonable amount about video games with an attractive personality and good looks, so I think she was a great addition to the event staff.

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Hailey holds this smile for the entire broadcast. What is that guy’s name again?


Eyebrows I think thought he was a bit funnier than he actually was, but he was still a great host and did well enough interacting with the live audience, bagging on TotalBiscuit, and flirting with Haley to keep the show exciting.

Championship Invitees
Of the eight players spotlighted, seven were storied tournament finalists and champions. Even Lucifron, a bit under-qualified next to his peers, was the local hero and Warcraft III legend of Spain, so I can’t find any faults there. What’s more, all of the matches were very even; there were no facerolls (well, one), cheese was kept to a minimum, and all the races represented themselves well in great games.

As I went over possible topics over this article, there were at least ten story lines that immediately came to mind. IdrA's story follows him around; always a great player but struggles to beat the best of the best, and doesn't gg to anyone less. Huk has been a center of attention since the beginning of time as the only foreigner and one of the only remaining Protoss in Code S. He also recently transferred to Liquid's rival team EG on a huge contract, but seems to be slumping; has that affected his mentality? Naniwa and ThorZain are like little European twinsies; they've been to like every tournament together since the TSL finals, what's the deal with that? Rain stirred up a bee's nest when he ditched a Code S spot to go bully foreigner tournaments, but he's yet to win a major title. Hero has taken up Liquid's Protoss mantle in Korea. Terran IMBA. Zerg questionably IMBA or non-IMBA. Protoss severely underpowered! (guess what race I play?) Local hero gets thrown to the wolves... er, Zerglings. Korea vs. the world, again. What title should I pick for this recap?

At the end of the day though, the same stories we’ve been hearing shone through. Training outside of Korea simply doesn't produce the results that the training in Korea produces - at least not currently. TvP is still very inflexible due to the rigid defense required to combat 1/1/1. And DRG murders Terrans like Kobayashi murders hot dogs.

One Criticism
Well, there was a lot of downtime on the stream. I support the commercials and their support of eSports, via advertising rather than subscriptions. However, excluding them, there were twenty minutes of bracket display and warming up between each match. And on the whole, not a lot of matches played; 6 Bo3's and a Bo5 final. Solution? Next time I feel like there should be at least a 16-player lineup, which would add a full eight more matches and double the amount of Starcraft played and broadcast. You could potentially run a second stream if needed. To have only eight players depletes a lot of the epicness that comes with a DreamHack global-scale major tournament. I realize its expensive to fly out so many players, so maybe it would be possible to add in some showmatches or just a few fun fillers into that space to improve the live production. It was DreamHack, after all, that started the high standard of having a million high quality streams to watch at any given time. That criticism aside, great event! On to the matches!

***

The Fall of the EG
EG's old and EG’s new both met their demise in the round of eight, though one went down a lot harder than the other; if you love to hate IdrA, watch him vs. Hero. EG.IdrA's games against the Liquid recruit looked great for IdrA up until the engagements began. In game one, IdrA got his third base rolling, and then Hero hit a great timing off of a Forge FE w/ Voidrays, transitioning very quickly into a Warp Prism sentry drop into IdrA's main. IdrA's reaction was too slow and he got himself forcefielded in the mouth.

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"Is my house insured against Protoss?"

Hero's ground army ravaged the air defenses, and a few well-looked-after Void Rays remained uncontested when the dust cleared. IdrA's main was forfeit - IdrA has left the game.

Game two saw IdrA scout DTs incoming, and he set up basic detection then rushed to gather bases. Able to deny Hero's DT/Blink timing, IdrA seemed to be gaining a macro edge and moving into his comfort zone, but by the same sword he couldn't contest Hero's third - for fear of those same DTs. And then...

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Hero flexed his Korean muscle. Again the Warp Prism came, this time off of three bases and coupled with guerrilla zealot, high-ground blinks and HT warp-ins. Splitting IdrA's army between his tech-heavy main and four bases would've been mighty annoying for IdrA, but instead of dispatching medium-sided groups to handle the attacks cost-effectively, IdrA simply 1a'd his entire army back and forth across the length of Metalopolis, throwing away mountains of supply, tech structures, drones and bases. To summarize the game, HerO multi-tasked IdrA to death; no small feat.

Huk on the other hand came out swinging and showed three exciting games. TvP right now is known for getting Protoss players knocked out of important tournaments via all-in, and the strength of 1-base Terran is significantly influencing the way the matchup is played. ThorZain is known for timings, finesse, and control, reminding me a bit of a calmer, less risky qxc. Huk is known for putting in work, both in game and out of game. He’s always one of the biggest threats in any tournament.

The first game was an old fashioned battle of the fast expands. Thorzain relied on traditional heavy marauder/medivac, while Huk opted for his most common PvT: early blink into a mixed gateway/colossus composition, with both players focused on upgrades. The game swayed back and forth with Huk ecking out a few small advantages and cleaning up one battle outside of his main with a good supply advantage. Thorzain soon caught up with some saucy macro, however, and both remaxxed and expanded again.

Protoss players get your tears ready; after Thorzain's fourth landed, he brutally punished Huk's reliance on Colossi with a ton of Vikings and then murdered Huk's zealots and stalkers in a choke, losing mostly Vikings. He took a whopping eighty supply lead and soon remaxxed while rolling over Huk’s next warp-in and sealing the game.

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Having lost in a macro game, Huk was now forced to make cuts to get ahead, or risk losing to a similar build. This made him vulnerable to the recently prominent 1/1/1 all-ins, which destroy any builds that don’t properly take it into account. Thorzain opted for a Thor/Marine with repair semi-all in, and took out Huk's fast Nexus, equalizing the bases (a generally advantaged situation for Terran), and maintained map control for quite some time afterward by setting up a contain with a few tanks and plenty of Marines.

Huk then turned on the gas, busting out the Top 3 control and racking up dozens of free potshots with stalkers, saving a 10HP Immortal and punishing anything over-extended or spread too far. Without medivacs, ThorZain appeared very vulnerable to pew-pew, and Huk ran his army ragged without taking damage on his Stalkers. Still though, ThorZain was able to expand and contain Huk for some time, and would have easily won if it were not for Huk’s brilliant Stalker play, and the foresight to leave a Probe out on the map. Huk was able to deny scouting and secure an expansion while pressuring non-stop. He teched to DTs, and in the end, it was the DTs, incessant Stalker harass, and the threat of a flank that gave Huk the edge he needed to crack the contain and take back a game that ThorZain should have certainly won.

Game three saw another popular breed of KR-style Terran timings; the two-base Ghost rush. Having proven himself against 1-base Terran in the previous game, Huk opted for a greedy variant of the 1-gate expand into colossus tech. Thorzain followed suit with an expansion, and built up a sizable force of upgraded marines and marauders with a sprinkling of ghosts. Huk teched to colossus off of two base, spending most of his gas on the tech route and not much on sentries or stalkers; he needed to rely on trapping with forcefields and Zealots to hold back the timing. Thorzain wasn't about to wait though for those Colossi to pop, and moved out before the first Colossus finished (wasting the entire investment). A few clean EMPs prevented a some forcefields, and the sheer volume of ThorZain’s upgraded infantry mopped up the remaining forces and Huk called GG.

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Twinsies! Thorzain and Naniwa
Naniwa, the second hope for foreign Protoss, has been showing lackluster results lately, despite performing well against stiff competition. His series against Rain nearly mirrored Huk’s; his Colossus push on Shakuras was scouted by a drop and met by a swarm of Vikings, but he took a win against Rain’s 4-rax marine assault as Rain over-committed and got picked apart by forcefields. Nani kept up the pressure for an easy win.

Naniwa returned the early pressure in the final game with a Blink rush off of one base, likely expecting Rain to 1/1/1 all-in or expand. He found an expansion and was able to take out the bunker and many SCVs, but Rain kept producing and stemmed the tide while adding onto his Tech.

Nani at this point had a few options; keep pushing, expand (or double expand) off a Blink Stalker contain, or tech to DTs, and I think he made the wrong choice by teching to DTs. Having already shown Twilight tech via blink, Rain would be expecting an expansion after the pressure let up, and any scan would reveal it lacking and essentially give away Naniwa’s tech choice based on his position. Rain also had double orbital, and Naniwa would be unable to delay an overwhelming bio push after the DTs were revealed. If Rain did not scan and ALSO did not assume DTs, Naniwa would win, but this seemed unlikely to me - at least as an observer sitting in the clouds. Heedless of my spectator-empowered warnings, Naniwa pushed his chips all-in and made the Dark Shrine.

But Rain did suspect the DTs, and responded. Naniwa was able to delay a push, but off of one base each DT he made cut his home army size, and no DT did any damage. No amount of gateways, cannons or blink micro could save Naniwa when Rain arrived in his base.

A great strategic series from both players, and Rain moved on to play DongRaeGu - but we’ll get to that in a second.

DongRaeGu - the Easy-Peasy Terran Killer
DRG opened up against the Spanish qualifier winner Lucifron... which is not OK and was not a nice thing to do to poor Lucifron. Not much to say here, but every time Terran left his base, he got surrounded and slaughtered before he could siege.

Rain in the semi-finals had some moderate success, but was still unable to take a game from the mighty DRGvT. He at least got his tanks into position and made some good exchanges, but DRG was able to shut down his drops and rely on Muta/Ling/Bane and Muta/Roach/Bane to take apart the former GSL finalist. Exciting, but fairly straightforward games left only one Terran left remaining that could take down the Korean progamer beast.

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Peasy


***



Finals - DRGvT vs. Spoon Terran ThorZain

I’ve never been a fan of the nickname Spoon Terran, as ThorZain’s games are always entertaining and I think the nickname I think sounds like he’s a boring player. He’s certainly not. DongRaeGu so far had spent the majority of the tournament picking apart Terran players for being greedy and punishing their mistakes, but ThorZain’s patience should serve him well. ThorZain was fresh off of wins from top tier Protosses Huk and Hero.

Game One: Shakuras Plateau
DRG went for a fast roach bust against ThorZain’s triple command center, and things went bad very quickly for greedy ThorZain.

Barely able to hold two bases with his three command centers, he lost SCVs and Tanks non-stop to constant harassment. ThorZain couldn’t catch up at all or secure a third. All the while DongRaeGu’s fingers were flying and he found himself up to four bases with plenty of funding. After some writhing and some ill-fated push-outs, ThorZain was forced to tap out.

Game Two: Tal'Darim Altar
Game Two was a tense match for ThorZain, as going down 0-2 to DRG would almost certainly spell defeat against the Terran killer. Spawning close with the natural positions favored to Terran, Thorzain opened fast expansion with a cute 1-marine, 1-SCV fake bunker rush. DRG had his own quick expo and opted for a fast lair, which ThorZain punished with a hellion-marine elevator timing, killing plenty of lings and a queen and taking a significant worker lead. Both players took their third bases and ThorZain started to work his way across the map in his methodical way while DRG teched to Mutas.

DongRaeGu’s control again came into play, using his Mutas to pick off tanks, marines, turrets and everything else while ThorZain slowly pushed across the map and eliminated creep with a spread-out Marine/Tank force. Watching the push on the minimap was a bit like watching the Windows progress bar while trying to transfer a file; it got about a quarter of the way there, paused for a while, shot forward and jumped back a bit, did a few calculations and eventually kind of secured a good spot at about 68% of the way there. Even with excellent control, DRG’s harvester disadvantage was too much for him to eventually recover from, and being forced into non-stop units didn’t help. Eventually the muta-cloud could no longer do battle with 3/3 marines and ThorZain took the game.

Game Three: Terminus
In the middle set, drone heavy DongRaeGu get caught out by another Hellion elevator. ThorZain seems to figure that Marine-Medivac with Hellions to slay unlimited numbers of lings is a good combination...

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Drone donations accepted

DRG seemed a bit behind, but had workers aplenty remaining, despite losing most of his ling forces and about a dozen drones. He equalized again as mutas popped to contain ThorZain, and rapidly grew to eighty drones spread over five bases, putting him firmly in the lead.

This game, ThorZain added plenty of his namesake Thors, but delayed his fourth and any pushes to do so. This allowed DongRaeGu to max on Ultra/Muta/Infestor, which I heard was a pretty good composition, and gave him the 2-1 lead in the series.

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Game Four: Antiga Shipyard
The two players had a brawl on Antiga Shipyard, a map which has been producing some really great games as of late. ThorZain again went for some two-base pressure, this time with siegeless tanks, hellions and marines. He took out a good amount of creep, then retreated as his Siege mode wasn’t quite done. DRG again opted for a quick spire off of two bases, also making a macro hatch, and popped seven mutalisks as it completed.

ThorZain’s second push was timed with DRG’s third, and DRG failed in busting the contain because he was lacking in baneling speed and had no Zergling support. This cost him a fair amount of damage to his third hatchery and forced a lot more units, but he cleaned up all of the tanks and Marines on the second try with pure ling/muta.

DRG then went into Muta-mode for just a moment, sniping a tank, and then instead of droning and basing off of a contain, he opted to break ThorZain’s depot wall with a baneling bust. ThorZain was severely behind on units, but he managed to hold losing just a few depots, marines and tanks; a great trade for Terran.

DRG retained map control with the mutalisks remaining, however and both players took the back-to-back golds in the middle of the map. DRG upped the tempo in order to secure his bases and deny ThorZain’s, continually cleaning up the center watchtower with mutas and then going for a pincer ling/baneling attack on ThorZain’s gold SCVs. And then this happened...

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Er... wait... all the SCVs got away...

DRG failed to detonate a half-dozen banes on top of a packed group of SCVs and mules - a huge miscontrol. ThorZain cleaned up the push and while a drop finished off DRG’s heavily damaged third.

From there ThorZain took a unit lead and started unleashing marines to DRG’s bases, sniping more drones and hatcheries, and DRG had a difficult time reacting.

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Three hatcheries, a ton of drones and a spawning pool puts ThorZain well in the lead.

DRG continued to battle, but was mining out on his natural and having his fourth and fifth denied. ThorZain solidified his position, took a fourth and pressed his lead into a victory, having tied the series at 2-2.

Game Five: Metalopolis
Suspense continued to build, as ThorZain had shown his ability to macro marines and tanks patiently through DRG in two macro games, and only losing on the Zerg-favored Terminus. DRG however, had gotten a clean glimpse of ThorZain’s style; Marine-Hellion pushes into almost pure Marine-tank, and would be very prepared for it in game five. The pressure was on for both players, and they both opened carefully on Metalopalis. Each player secured safe second bases and started scouting. ThorZain again pressured with hellions, but only really poked around and used them for map control, and DRG poked around with lings and secured a third, but ThorZain wasn’t about to let that go uncontested.

This first action seemed a decisive victory for ThorZain, as he pushed out before Mutas could pop, again with siegeless tanks, and took out DRG’s exposed third before creep could populate the area and make it defensible. But DRG doesn’t let bases go for free; he caught the unsieged army on its way home outside of ThorZain’s gold with a flood of lings and Mutas and took out the tanks, but traded his ground force to the marines. DongRaeGu rebuilt his army a bit and double expanded, taking the top half of the map. ThorZain pushed out with a scary midgame army.

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ThorZain sieged in a strong position below DRG’s third and took out the creep, but somehow felt uncomfortable and began to unsiege moments later. DRG immediately capitalized on the weakness and rushed in with newly morphed banes, taking out the entire force.

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ThorZain however, was a true man, and didn’t mind going straight for the gold after losing a big chunk of his army. DRG countered with a sneaky baneling attack through ThorZain’s unoccupied third and took out more than a dozen SCVs while populating his four bases, and the game settled with 4-base Zerg to square off against 3-base w/ Gold Terran, DRG with a large supply lead transitioning into Infestors and Hive. He couldn’t contest a sieged up planetary fortress at the gold without Tier 3, but his Muta-cloud could certainly deny the fourth base and ravage missile turrets. Thorzain appeared to be on the back foot, and attempted a big drop into DRG’s newly acquired fifth.

Though he successfully sniped the fifth hatchery, he lost a dozen marines and two medivacs and DRG was already maxed. While ThorZain had bought enough time through distractions to start setting up a desperate fourth base, DRG amassed a deadly force outside of the watchtower...

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That’s about 30 mutas and 30 banes. Yeah, Starcraft II units tend to clump a lot.

ThorZain didn’t have nearly enough marines to contest the Mutalisks and no Thors to hold the base. The attacking banes went straight into the SCVs that would be needed to repair the planetary, the tanks folded instantly and it was a fair time for ThorZain to GG.

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"Mmmm.... Terran..."




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Q&A: coL.MVP_DongRaeGu

by: TeamLiquid



Right after securing DongRaeGu as a guest for a particularly hilarious TL Attack!, Milkis helped out his old buddies at the news department by getting DRG to give us a quick Q&A regarding the DH Valencia Finals.

[image loading]You won another ZvT finals 3-2 back at the LG Cinema 3D Special tournament. How would you compare your victory there with your DreamHack Valencia win?

Honestly, my opponent then (MVP_sC) was someone who liked to use powerful early game attacks, so it was tougher. But it still feels better to lose in long, management games than to early attacks.

You mentioned that all Terrans were easy peasy after winning your semi-final match, but you played some tough games against ThorZain in the final. What made those games so hard?

If Terran decides to just sit down and play defensively, it will look difficult, no matter who the player is.

People said that ThorZain's weakness is his TvZ, but he played you very well, taking it all the way to the final set. What do you think of ThorZain as a player, and what do you think of his "spoon style" in particular?

Like I mentioned before, Zerg can't help but look like they're having a hard time against Terrans who decide to play defensively. He's good for a foreigner, but I don't think he's at the level of Korean players yet.

You showed a strong commitment to Muta double-ling armies in the finals, but someone have pointed out that you might have won easier if you had transitioned out sooner.

In my opinion, Mutalisks are a required unit in TvZ. Just like in Brood War, players can have different preferences in units, but only after they make mutas first. I prefer to keep making Mutas and continuously harass, going up to hive tech slowly. My win rate is higher that way.

As we've seen in the case of HuK and MC, over-committing to international tournaments can negatively affect y our condition. Are you worried about this, and what are your plans for competing in international tournaments in the future?

I would like to compete in every foreign tournament. But if I feel that it's affecting my condition and my play is getting worse, I'll cut down on foreign tournaments and focus on practice. However, right now I don't think it's affecting my play, so I'd like to play in more foreign tournaments.

Naniwa has been practicing with the MVP team recently, what do you think of him? Do you think he'll be able to be successful in Korea?

I've practiced with him a few times, and he was better than I thought. I can't guarantee success in Korea, but I think he can be top class among foreigners. I don't think he lacks for talent compared to Korean players.


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mortar
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Sweden82 Posts
September 29 2011 23:07 GMT
#2
DRG ftw. Nuff said. Great write-up.
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Premier
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States503 Posts
September 29 2011 23:08 GMT
#3
Great write up!!! DRG Fighting!!!!!
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2555 Posts
September 29 2011 23:09 GMT
#4
DRG ... the only terran who can stand up to him in mvp
zerghook
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden15 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-29 23:19:55
September 29 2011 23:09 GMT
#5
Bashing on the downtime between matches? Really? Just look at MLG, they have like 10 peeps on each stream sitting and fibbling around with stuff and they have hours of downtime, while DH.inv (with like 2-3 volunteers!) only used the time needed for the players to get setup, bathroom breaks for the players and nothing more.

Sorry for being "that guy" but as a swede I need to protect my dearest event.

PS. Not knowing who 2GD is, wtf man? Are you living under a rock or something?
Yeah...
GhandiEAGLE
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States20754 Posts
September 29 2011 23:11 GMT
#6
Hahaha good post! Thorzain was so close...
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Dexington
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada7276 Posts
September 29 2011 23:11 GMT
#7
Wtf, dissing 2GD? That girl was awful in comparison.
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Ricemagical
Profile Joined November 2010
270 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-29 23:12:14
September 29 2011 23:11 GMT
#8
2gd. Thats the "eyebrows" guy. He was a great caster at IEM for multiple games for several years.
Darathor
Profile Joined February 2011
United States327 Posts
September 29 2011 23:11 GMT
#9
Great write-up! Liked the interview with DRG, as well as the recaps for the finals.
jlake02
Profile Joined January 2011
United States395 Posts
September 29 2011 23:13 GMT
#10
DRG FTW! See you at Blizzcon brother.
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arfyron
Profile Joined July 2011
518 Posts
September 29 2011 23:14 GMT
#11
Awesome recap. Thanks!
Anton K
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden277 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-29 23:17:10
September 29 2011 23:15 GMT
#12
I couldn't read after "I didn't catch the guy's name..."

The girl was embarrassing if you ask me.

EDIT: Reading the text to the picture it feels like you are intentionally trolling 2GD.. I can live with that.
Stanlot
Profile Joined December 2010
United States5742 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-29 23:17:38
September 29 2011 23:17 GMT
#13
Fairly positive it's just trolling us about 2gd
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Crais
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2136 Posts
September 29 2011 23:17 GMT
#14
Heh good post. Thanks.
RIP MBC Game Hero
Stijx
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States804 Posts
September 29 2011 23:19 GMT
#15
It was a great event, and this is a great writeup! I agree about the stream downtime... and I love DRG ^_^
byce
Profile Joined July 2010
United States98 Posts
September 29 2011 23:21 GMT
#16
Wow, show some respect to 2gd and stop acting like you've never seen a pretty girl before. Painful read.
Supert0fu
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States499 Posts
September 29 2011 23:22 GMT
#17
DRG great job, what a beast
BigLighthouse
Profile Joined October 2010
United Kingdom424 Posts
September 29 2011 23:23 GMT
#18
Wow DRG comes off awful cocky in that interview for a guy who narrowly won 3-2. Its all well and good saying that terrans playing slow is what makes it "appear" that zerg is having trouble, but I think 2 games dropped are slightly more than just an illusion. I love his play and he's just amazing at the game, but I can never find myself a fan despite the immense respect you have to have for the guy.

Really great write up too, especially enjoyed the "Eyebrows Guy" comments, made me titter.
Torte de Lini
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Germany38463 Posts
September 29 2011 23:25 GMT
#19
On September 30 2011 08:21 byce wrote:
Wow, show some respect to 2gd and stop acting like you've never seen a pretty girl before. Painful read.


I think he was intentionally being ignorant and teasing to 2GD
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Bobston
Profile Joined March 2011
United States20 Posts
September 29 2011 23:29 GMT
#20
Watching the push on the minimap was a bit like watching the Windows progress bar while trying to transfer a file; it got about a quarter of the way there, paused for a while, shot forward and jumped back a bit, did a few calculations and eventually kind of secured a good spot at about 68% of the way there.


That made me lol pretty hard. tyvm for the post!
It's getting too hot!
nokz88
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil1253 Posts
September 29 2011 23:34 GMT
#21
Terminus Zerg favored? You think that just because the map is huge it makes it Zerg favored?

Korean zergs hate that map, fyi...

as for the rest, awesome read! ^^
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FrostedMiniWheats
Profile Joined August 2010
United States30730 Posts
September 29 2011 23:34 GMT
#22
I think Drg is full of shit. Dropping 2 games and almost losing the series is more than looking hard. He should give Thorzain more credit.
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koolaid1990
Profile Joined September 2010
831 Posts
September 29 2011 23:37 GMT
#23
even DRG mentioned thorzain wasn't at that top korean terran level. I keep telling people that 3-2 looked pretty close, but it was actually DRG favored heavily. I think DRG was more caught off guard by the different playstyle, like yugioh, but once its figured out, its done for.
MotorDouglas
Profile Joined March 2011
Brazil66 Posts
September 29 2011 23:38 GMT
#24
DRG Y U own Terran??
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VirgilSC2
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United States6151 Posts
September 29 2011 23:38 GMT
#25
I always love reading the TL Write-ups for events like these, great job as usual.

P.S. I really like the DH Valencia color scheme.
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Wunder
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United Kingdom2950 Posts
September 29 2011 23:39 GMT
#26
Wow, that 2GD jab was really dumb. Who doesn't love 2GD? O_o
Writer@joonjoewong
Ruscour
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
5233 Posts
September 29 2011 23:48 GMT
#27
I really hope that 2GD section was a joke...
Serinox
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany5224 Posts
September 29 2011 23:51 GMT
#28
I still don't like DRG...
godemperor
Profile Joined October 2010
Belgium2043 Posts
September 29 2011 23:52 GMT
#29
Wow cant believe people are making such a bit deal out of the 2GD part, its obviously trolling lol.
YoucriedWolf
Profile Joined July 2010
Sweden1456 Posts
September 29 2011 23:54 GMT
#30
DRG get 90% questions about forigner skills and still dont understands that he's supposed to tell the readers what they want to hear ^^
zeenix1
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden89 Posts
September 29 2011 23:56 GMT
#31
Wonder if the translation made DongRaeGu sounds to harsh, or if he's just that honest :D
qke
Profile Joined May 2011
Sweden60 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-30 00:04:30
September 29 2011 23:58 GMT
#32
Derpling
Profile Joined August 2011
Netherlands20 Posts
September 29 2011 23:59 GMT
#33
On September 30 2011 08:56 zeenix1 wrote:
Wonder if the translation made DongRaeGu sounds to harsh, or if he's just that honest :D

I'm sure he's just that honest. ^^
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8304 Posts
September 30 2011 00:01 GMT
#34
Hmm, I think DRG has caught onto the "cocky is cool" trend though I don't think that's the best way to pull it off. ThorZain took the series to game 5. Gotta give him some respect for that.
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
Kazeyonoma
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States2912 Posts
September 30 2011 00:04 GMT
#35
awesome writeup and interview.
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StimiLant
Profile Blog Joined July 2006
United States534 Posts
September 30 2011 00:06 GMT
#36
great interviews/writeups as always
imareaver3
Profile Joined June 2010
United States906 Posts
September 30 2011 00:11 GMT
#37
Great wrietup, but the white text in the DRG interview is unreadable....you have to highlight it to see it.
bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
September 30 2011 00:14 GMT
#38
That picture of DRG winning is really awesome hehe - i liked the write up, but the white text is a bit hard to look at :p even though he couldn't close i was really impressed with Tzain! Taking DRG to the edge is no easy task!
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Euronyme
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden3804 Posts
September 30 2011 00:18 GMT
#39
On September 30 2011 09:11 imareaver3 wrote:
Great wrietup, but the white text in the DRG interview is unreadable....you have to highlight it to see it.


What? I read it just fine >_>

Nice read. I wonder if the spoon style is going to eventually replace the massive aggressiveness that seems more popular right now.
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16071 Posts
September 30 2011 00:20 GMT
#40
On September 30 2011 08:34 FrostedMiniWheats wrote:
I think Drg is full of shit. Dropping 2 games and almost losing the series is more than looking hard. He should give Thorzain more credit.


DRG took risks when he was ahead a game that he would never take in a GSL game. Both games he lost he went for an extremely early lair and spire tech. That isn't typical of what he does in games he's serious about.

DRG has mentioned numerous times that he will make games interesting even if it's risky. It's my opinion that he just felt so confident against Thorzain that he felt he could get away with unnecessary risks if he felt he could still win.

Arrogant? Yes, but DRG is so good at TvZ I don't blame him at all for it and we got a very exciting series because of it, but to face facts he's got easily top 3 ZvT in the world. If he told me at the end of the day he was toying with Thorzain for my enjoyment I would believe him.
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Vindicare605
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States16071 Posts
September 30 2011 00:21 GMT
#41
On September 30 2011 08:56 zeenix1 wrote:
Wonder if the translation made DongRaeGu sounds to harsh, or if he's just that honest :D


That interview is consistent with his others. He's has a brutal honesty that endears him to some players.
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Vul
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States685 Posts
September 30 2011 00:27 GMT
#42
DRG has really made me a fan of him between Valencia and TL attack. I'm not bothered that he doesn't have as high an opinion of Thorzain as some of the posters here. He said that Thorzain is a top foreigner but not quite at Korean level, and that seems accurate.

Truth hurts? lol
Xodushai
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden174 Posts
September 30 2011 00:30 GMT
#43
2GD is a huge esports profile??
ranjutan
Profile Joined November 2010
United States636 Posts
September 30 2011 00:32 GMT
#44
no recap of thorzain vs hero is pretty weird. nice writeup nonetheless.
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blacklist_member
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia318 Posts
September 30 2011 00:38 GMT
#45
Great writeup,

Although can't tell if the 2GD part was serious
MC and MKP fighting ^^
EchoZ
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Japan5041 Posts
September 30 2011 00:40 GMT
#46
On September 30 2011 09:38 blacklist_member wrote:
Great writeup,

Although can't tell if the 2GD part was serious


Highly doubt so, 2GD is famous O.o
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McKTenor13
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States1383 Posts
September 30 2011 00:40 GMT
#47
Man DRG doesn't talk very high of Thorzain and Naniwa. At least not as high as we've been hoping. I really hope another foreigner can break out into Code S and show them whats up
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Amornthep
Profile Blog Joined September 2011
Singapore2605 Posts
September 30 2011 00:47 GMT
#48
Nice writeup. DRG fighting!
Ponyo
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States1231 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-30 00:50:30
September 30 2011 00:50 GMT
#49
ezpz terrans man. fuck me this is what every zerg that beats me says.

Awesome job by coL.Mvp.DRG
ponyo.848
zul
Profile Blog Joined February 2010
Germany5427 Posts
September 30 2011 00:59 GMT
#50
nice recap of the finals. But how can you not know 2gd? o.O compared to the girl he clearly was the more entertaining host.
keep it deep! @zulison
Fox116
Profile Joined April 2011
United States409 Posts
September 30 2011 01:48 GMT
#51
Awesome article as always. DRG was amazing!
Scarabs always going off in my head!
TG_Lelouch
Profile Joined August 2011
United States134 Posts
September 30 2011 02:03 GMT
#52
DRG vs Thorzain was a good game in a while :3
Oktyabr
Profile Joined July 2011
Singapore2234 Posts
September 30 2011 02:35 GMT
#53
On September 30 2011 09:01 TheDougler wrote:
Hmm, I think DRG has caught onto the "cocky is cool" trend though I don't think that's the best way to pull it off. ThorZain took the series to game 5. Gotta give him some respect for that.


He did give him credit - by saying that he's good for a foreigner. I applaud his honesty., really. I'm sure ThorZain himself knows just how much more he needs to work on.

FryktSkyene
Profile Joined December 2010
United States1327 Posts
September 30 2011 02:43 GMT
#54
Only thing you should have added is the crappy cell phone quality videos on youtube of barcrafts in sweden going crazy after thorzain wins a game. Pretty sick to hear all those people cheering.

(This one is from beating hero G1, I can't find the DRG games but it was much louder.)



Otherwise great article ^_^
Snitches get stiches
The_Piper42
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States426 Posts
September 30 2011 02:44 GMT
#55
Great write up. I watched the games live but the article covering the finals was good enough I still read the whole thing. Thanks!
Boxer, White-Ra, Grubby, Flash fighting!
nokz88
Profile Joined October 2010
Brazil1253 Posts
September 30 2011 02:56 GMT
#56
Why are you guys so butthurt with his comments? How many times do you need to witness the might of the Korean Terrans? Do they need to sweep the next 5 MLGs?

Tier 1 and 2 Korean Terrans are the best bunch of players there is right now. MVP, Bomber, MMA, Ryung, TOP, Ganzi, Polt, and arguably some others.

Do you think Thorzain's name fits in there as of now? Be honest with yourself and see why DRG said what he said.

Now, if you are one of those "meh he should say what we WANT to hear, not what he really thinks", then... grow the fuck up
in a state of trance
Laneir
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1160 Posts
September 30 2011 03:17 GMT
#57
great write up glad DRG did so great
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red4ce
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States7313 Posts
September 30 2011 03:17 GMT
#58
Damn I really wish I hadn't missed this tournament.
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-30 03:29:17
September 30 2011 03:27 GMT
#59
Not to bash on DRG, but a lot of his comments really look down on the foreigners. He pretty much said thorzain only looked good because he plays such a turtling style.

Not to say they weren't honest, or true or anything.
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wklbishop
Profile Joined July 2011
United States1286 Posts
September 30 2011 03:46 GMT
#60
Wow, I know people are focusing on DRG's comments towards Thorzain, but I'm more surprised by how DRG views Naniwa in the sense that he views Naniwa as being just as talented as Korean players and Thorzain as not to the level of Korean terrans though korean terrans are a step ahead of other Korean players in general.

Anyways, I love his brutal honesty, tells it as HE SEES it and not what the people just want to hear.
Gameplay > Personality
enemy2010
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Germany1972 Posts
September 30 2011 03:51 GMT
#61
I totally forgot that I didn't see any tiny bit of video content of this event yet....

Thanks for reminding me :D
1on1 auf azze no he no flash no awp only holztor. | Ja, da meint der ich hätt' abgeschmatzt, aber dat is Quatsch, verstehste?
sunman1g
Profile Joined May 2011
United States334 Posts
September 30 2011 04:02 GMT
#62
for once, i feel this write up is really average.. and 2gd was great i have no idea how u did not catch his name.
Techno
Profile Joined June 2010
1900 Posts
September 30 2011 04:41 GMT
#63
What the fuck? I didnt write this!
Hell, its awesome to LOSE to nukes!
Waxangel
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
United States33429 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-30 05:09:38
September 30 2011 04:52 GMT
#64
On September 30 2011 13:41 Techno wrote:
What the fuck? I didnt write this!


Someone else who wants your TL ID

Careful not to get permabanned, because we will be watching ^^
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Chaggi
Profile Joined August 2010
Korea (South)1936 Posts
September 30 2011 04:58 GMT
#65
Even what he said is true (and it is very true), it's funny coming from a guy who got into Code S through MLG (after being stuck in Code B and Code A) and not through the normal way.
Shirohige
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany398 Posts
September 30 2011 05:04 GMT
#66
How can somebody write an article about Dreamhack and not know who 2GD is? It really puzzles me. Was that the first event you watched? Hell.

Besides that lack of obvious knowledge, I liked the article.
Suffering is good on the path to carnage
TheNessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4158 Posts
September 30 2011 05:21 GMT
#67
techno, i don't know if i've seen you do write ups before but i really liked these ones! Good job.

except I wish you showed the mini map some times in some pictures no big deal

Great write up
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TheNessman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States4158 Posts
September 30 2011 05:21 GMT
#68
On September 30 2011 13:52 Waxangel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2011 13:41 Techno wrote:
What the fuck? I didnt write this!


Someone else who wants your TL ID

Careful not to get permabanned, because we will be watching ^^


LOL WOW THREATENED BY THE MOBS HOW DOES IT FEEL!?!?!
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Drake
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany6146 Posts
September 30 2011 05:32 GMT
#69
lol dissing 2GD one of the most known european casters because a girl ? ... poor move
this girl can be really cute but in this event she looked so ... dont know ... wont say something else but she just doenst looked right for me the whole time

best final on dh ever and tooooo bad for thorzain so close and then gets nothing
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ROOTdrewbie
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1392 Posts
September 30 2011 05:47 GMT
#70
game 4was really sick in the finals ! :D gj drg
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hotblackdesiato
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada74 Posts
September 30 2011 06:04 GMT
#71
Clearly the author knows who 2GD is and is just trolling him, and I don't think he's saying 2GD is a bad host by any means. It's more the fact that 2GD is a huge troll himself and deserves to get trolled in return.
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
September 30 2011 06:07 GMT
#72
TL's articles are amazing, but the turnaround time is REALLY slow... this event finished 2 weeks ago.

T_T!
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DreamOen
Profile Joined March 2010
Spain1400 Posts
September 30 2011 07:24 GMT
#73
Great write up, but it is (Canales corporativos) and not (carnales copri~~) please fix this cause in spanish sounds weird as hell,and it is a company name.
Tester | MC | Crank | Flash | Jaedong | MVP
Vansetsu
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States1454 Posts
September 30 2011 07:28 GMT
#74
Thank for the write up. I really liked DRG's no-bs take on what he thought of the foreign players and strategies. Very upfront and honest. I love hearing that kind of analysis from high level talent.
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Talin
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Montenegro10532 Posts
September 30 2011 07:54 GMT
#75
On September 30 2011 14:32 CoR wrote:
lol dissing 2GD one of the most known european casters because a girl ? ... poor move
this girl can be really cute but in this event she looked so ... dont know ... wont say something else but she just doenst looked right for me the whole time

best final on dh ever and tooooo bad for thorzain so close and then gets nothing


No, you see, most known European casters were actually casting the games. as opposed to being a complete waste of space on the stage.

No idea why people get so upset over that dude. -_-
CatNzHat
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1599 Posts
September 30 2011 08:08 GMT
#76
How could you forget Jame's Harding's name!?!?!?! He and Dario make the best casting duo to grace the earth...
Naniwa
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Sweden477 Posts
September 30 2011 08:32 GMT
#77
On September 30 2011 13:58 Chaggi wrote:
Even what he said is true (and it is very true), it's funny coming from a guy who got into Code S through MLG (after being stuck in Code B and Code A) and not through the normal way.


and still he passed to ro16 on his first try, Its alot about luck in code A / The qualifier who you get matched up against... its also alot easier to stay in code S when your there. ( just win one game) ONE map. than to qualify your way up there ^^
Progamer
Crassulacean
Profile Joined November 2010
68 Posts
September 30 2011 08:47 GMT
#78
On September 30 2011 08:11 Dexington wrote:
Wtf, dissing 2GD? That girl was awful in comparison.

Well waxangel is an ass
zerg:ba,protoss&terran:imba
cybertopo
Profile Joined February 2010
Spain525 Posts
September 30 2011 08:50 GMT
#79
Just wanted to add that Techno described the spanish partner calling it "Carnales Corprivatos", not only it is a mistake (it is Canales Corporativos) but carnales means: flesh, skin (often in a sexual way).
Hurr Durr
NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
September 30 2011 08:56 GMT
#80
Awesome write-up, as usual. Was disappointing to see Thorzain lose in the finals, but I guess everybody knew that he didn't have much of a chance against the behemoth that is DRG. Great Dreamhack event, and I look forward to the rest. DreamHack Winter FTW!
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Xcobidoo
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden1871 Posts
September 30 2011 08:57 GMT
#81
Great read! "Every game will look hard if the Terran plays defensively." I would have agreed if he had 3-0'd ThorZaIN, but he didn't, so apparently it didn't just look hard
Supreme Intergalactic Commander
Coal
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden1535 Posts
September 30 2011 08:58 GMT
#82
Great writeup!: ) The only thing I didn't enjoy regarding the event was Hailey(seriously what was up witht that shirt of hers?:O ) but having 2GD there made up for everything even remotely negative :D

Looking forward to DH Winter !
In order to succeed, your desire for success should be greater than your fear of failure.
Hirnfrost
Profile Joined May 2010
Germany938 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-30 09:29:08
September 30 2011 09:28 GMT
#83

best interview ever!
After Mondays and Tuesdays even the Calender says W T F
Paladia
Profile Joined August 2003
802 Posts
September 30 2011 09:38 GMT
#84
Game two between Idra and Hero was some of the best PvZ I've seen, definitely worth watching if you have not already done so.
I can no longer rest under the tree of wisdom, since you have axed down the roots feeding it.
KaluGOSU
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States171 Posts
September 30 2011 09:52 GMT
#85
lame, undeserved win imo. this is an outrage
Halt! Thou shalt not pass. Thou hast much anger, young one
brum
Profile Joined January 2011
Hungary187 Posts
September 30 2011 09:55 GMT
#86
It's 2GD, waxangel. Not eyebrow guy. Shame on you for not knowing the most epic guy in esports.
flagg
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden123 Posts
September 30 2011 10:32 GMT
#87
Great write-up, thanks alot Waxangel!

Some cocky comment by DRG on Thorzain after beeing very, very close to lose in a bo5 but I like it.

I wonder why they had that eyebrow guy as a host. Maybe choose a more well known host next time instead of a dry, shy britt.
pallad
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland1958 Posts
September 30 2011 10:39 GMT
#88
On September 30 2011 08:07 mortar wrote:
DRG ftw. Nuff said. Great write-up.


and you read it in 3 min ? nice one.
Very good article , good job for the swarm!
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WhiteDog
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France8650 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-30 10:44:33
September 30 2011 10:43 GMT
#89
On September 30 2011 18:28 Hirnfrost wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSuAXQwdwFw
best interview ever!

Yeah so good!

But damn, how DRG sound cocky in the written interview, saying every terran is EZPZ, then saying terran is very hard to beat when they go maccro. And worst of all, saying Thorzain is not at korean's level yet, but still needed 5 games to beat him.
"every time WhiteDog overuses the word "seriously" in a comment I can make an observation on his fragile emotional state." MoltkeWarding
Elasticity
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
3420 Posts
September 30 2011 11:04 GMT
#90
WTF is with people commenting today? Are you guys being depressed of having no humor and just going to the forum complaining about a good post?

Damn that was a freaking good read. Love that 2GD troll <3
JmCw
Profile Joined March 2010
Germany68 Posts
September 30 2011 11:25 GMT
#91
On September 30 2011 19:32 flagg wrote:
I wonder why they had that eyebrow guy as a host. Maybe choose a more well known host next time instead of a dry, shy britt.


He is i really cool guy, i really like his moderating, dont know what you think is wrong with him
Makua
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany28 Posts
September 30 2011 11:27 GMT
#92
Didn't mean to but read it all. Thanks for that quick break
Now back to work...
Savern101
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United Kingdom859 Posts
September 30 2011 11:29 GMT
#93
Quality of last few TL articles like this have been getting really poor. There's race and imbalance complaining and bias in the NASL write-ups and now theres people dissing on the legend that is 2gd? How can you be allowed to write up an event (especially a dreamhack one) if you don't know who the fuck 2gd is?
EG.DeMusliM/d.BlinG/UK Fighting!
flagg
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden123 Posts
September 30 2011 11:31 GMT
#94
On September 30 2011 20:25 JmCw wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2011 19:32 flagg wrote:
I wonder why they had that eyebrow guy as a host. Maybe choose a more well known host next time instead of a dry, shy britt.


He is i really cool guy, i really like his moderating, dont know what you think is wrong with him


I think he should try to make a joke once in a while and not be so political correct all the time.
Champi
Profile Joined March 2010
1422 Posts
September 30 2011 12:03 GMT
#95
DRG is a monster. although i was a bit disheartened by his opinions of thorzain and naniwa at the end of the interview. he didnt really seem to respect their full potential as players due to the fact they werent korean.

thats probably not the case but it seemed to be insinuated in his answers, and if that was the case i hope for their sakes they can prove him wrong
oYsteR
Profile Joined April 2008
United Kingdom142 Posts
September 30 2011 12:18 GMT
#96
On September 30 2011 20:29 Savern101 wrote:
Quality of last few TL articles like this have been getting really poor. There's race and imbalance complaining and bias in the NASL write-ups and now theres people dissing on the legend that is 2gd? How can you be allowed to write up an event (especially a dreamhack one) if you don't know who the fuck 2gd is?


I'm afraid I agree with this, there does seem to have been a drop in quality. Also, complaints about the downtime and request for more players seems a bit like wishful thinking; either way, their 8 man invitational format works really well and always seems to deliver great games - I'm of course thinking of the 2011 Stockholm Invitational.

Dodgy first section aside, I thought the game summaries were pretty excellent, as ever, and always worth a read. Thanks for the article!
Paladia
Profile Joined August 2003
802 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-30 12:27:17
September 30 2011 12:26 GMT
#97
On September 30 2011 20:29 Savern101 wrote:
Quality of last few TL articles like this have been getting really poor. There's race and imbalance complaining and bias in the NASL write-ups and now theres people dissing on the legend that is 2gd? How can you be allowed to write up an event (especially a dreamhack one) if you don't know who the fuck 2gd is?

If you don't know him from before, you won't be biased. 2GD was fairly decent in Quake as he actually seemed to like that game.

However, 2GD doesn't seem to care at all for Starcraft 2. He is just another of these esports "celebrities" that tries to make some money out of any game that is the flavor of the month. Doesn't even bother to check on who the players are prior to a tournament he is casting and since he doesn't care about the game he has no clue about any player on his own. Just check his "cast" of the Swedish WCG qualifier where he outright insults the players and has no clue about anyone, who they are or what they have done.

As for the TL articles having some opinions in them, it is something at least I like.
I can no longer rest under the tree of wisdom, since you have axed down the roots feeding it.
Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9396 Posts
September 30 2011 12:30 GMT
#98
On September 30 2011 19:43 WhiteDog wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2011 18:28 Hirnfrost wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dSuAXQwdwFw
best interview ever!

Yeah so good!

But damn, how DRG sound cocky in the written interview, saying every terran is EZPZ, then saying terran is very hard to beat when they go maccro. And worst of all, saying Thorzain is not at korean's level yet, but still needed 5 games to beat him.


He never really ment that terrans are hard to beat. He meant that if terans plays turtle mode it will look like games were close.

Anyone who watched that series btw should realize that DRG is much much better than thorzain.
Moxi
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
708 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-30 12:34:06
September 30 2011 12:33 GMT
#99
To be honest DRG sounds a bit cocky in the interview... Not nice.
From this moment I am no longer a fan of you DRG, well played though.
Eee
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden2712 Posts
September 30 2011 12:45 GMT
#100
On September 30 2011 21:26 Paladia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2011 20:29 Savern101 wrote:
Quality of last few TL articles like this have been getting really poor. There's race and imbalance complaining and bias in the NASL write-ups and now theres people dissing on the legend that is 2gd? How can you be allowed to write up an event (especially a dreamhack one) if you don't know who the fuck 2gd is?

If you don't know him from before, you won't be biased. 2GD was fairly decent in Quake as he actually seemed to like that game.

However, 2GD doesn't seem to care at all for Starcraft 2. He is just another of these esports "celebrities" that tries to make some money out of any game that is the flavor of the month. Doesn't even bother to check on who the players are prior to a tournament he is casting and since he doesn't care about the game he has no clue about any player on his own. Just check his "cast" of the Swedish WCG qualifier where he outright insults the players and has no clue about anyone, who they are or what they have done.

As for the TL articles having some opinions in them, it is something at least I like.

2GD is a former quake pro. However he´s an esports profile, he's definatley not in it for the money, he's been working with esports for years now, commentating some of the biggest CS, WoW, Quake events in the world. And also helped develope the esports game bloodline champhions etc.
Vadrigar
Profile Joined January 2011
Bulgaria2379 Posts
September 30 2011 13:06 GMT
#101
What a dumb write-up for a great event! The girl was the only bad thing of the event! Complaining about downtime? Are you serious? Eyebrows? GTFO

User was temp banned for this post.
Paladia
Profile Joined August 2003
802 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-30 13:20:54
September 30 2011 13:16 GMT
#102
On September 30 2011 21:45 Eee wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2011 21:26 Paladia wrote:
On September 30 2011 20:29 Savern101 wrote:
Quality of last few TL articles like this have been getting really poor. There's race and imbalance complaining and bias in the NASL write-ups and now theres people dissing on the legend that is 2gd? How can you be allowed to write up an event (especially a dreamhack one) if you don't know who the fuck 2gd is?

If you don't know him from before, you won't be biased. 2GD was fairly decent in Quake as he actually seemed to like that game.

However, 2GD doesn't seem to care at all for Starcraft 2. He is just another of these esports "celebrities" that tries to make some money out of any game that is the flavor of the month. Doesn't even bother to check on who the players are prior to a tournament he is casting and since he doesn't care about the game he has no clue about any player on his own. Just check his "cast" of the Swedish WCG qualifier where he outright insults the players and has no clue about anyone, who they are or what they have done.

As for the TL articles having some opinions in them, it is something at least I like.

2GD is a former quake pro. However he´s an esports profile, he's definatley not in it for the money, he's been working with esports for years now, commentating some of the biggest CS, WoW, Quake events in the world. And also helped develope the esports game bloodline champhions etc.

He just goes to what-ever game has the most money in it (similar to Carmac). As far as I know, he doesn't even play or even like Starcraft to any degree, just tries to make a quick buck from it by throwing out some insults and not really caring. Have your for example seen 2GD do anything at all related to Starcraft that he isn't payed for?

As I said, he was (and is) decent when it comes to his involvement in Quake and casting that. But his lack of interest in SC2 really shines through when-ever he does something related to Starcraft. Much better to use people who are really passionate about the game instead then, such as Day9 or Husky.

Wheat is another example of someone who comes from the Quake community yet has switched over to Starcraft, he on the other hand does care about the game though and is eager to learn anything he can.

While on the "eyebrows"-suject. DongRaeGu looks and acts a bit like the "fuzzy eyebrows"-character in Naruto (Rock Lee), he also seems to practice very hard.
I can no longer rest under the tree of wisdom, since you have axed down the roots feeding it.
ZaaaaaM
Profile Joined March 2010
Netherlands1828 Posts
September 30 2011 13:21 GMT
#103
On September 30 2011 08:09 zerghook wrote:
Bashing on the downtime between matches? Really? Just look at MLG, they have like 10 peeps on each stream sitting and fibbling around with stuff and they have hours of downtime, while DH.inv (with like 2-3 volunteers!) only used the time needed for the players to get setup, bathroom breaks for the players and nothing more.

Sorry for being "that guy" but as a swede I need to protect my dearest event.

PS. Not knowing who 2GD is, wtf man? Are you living under a rock or something?

Indeed, the downtime was non-existent to MLG's.
no dude, the question
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42381 Posts
September 30 2011 13:23 GMT
#104
I agree with DRG to be honest. His interview isn't as cocky as some say it is imo. Thorzain is good and all, but he has his flaws.

Not the best write-up by Waxangel, but still enjoyed reading it.
"If I had force-fields in Brood War, I'd never lose." -Bisu
Paladia
Profile Joined August 2003
802 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-30 13:33:11
September 30 2011 13:31 GMT
#105
DRG opened up against the Spanish qualifier winner Lucifron... which is not OK and was not a nice thing to do to poor Lucifron.

I really don't get this. In all tournaments, the best thing that can happen is that the best player faces the worst player in the first rounds, it makes the seed perfect. It makes it so the best players are around to for last, opening up for more and more exciting matches the further the tournament goes.

So could you please explain why it is "not OK" to have seeds in a tournament or to have the best and worst player face off early. Do you prefer to have the better players, such as Thorzain and DRG, knock each other out in the first round and the lesser players stay around for longer?

For it sounds very odd for a website dedicated to competitive Starcraft 2 play to complain about that in an official staff post. As it is the ground for all competitive play in all sports.
I can no longer rest under the tree of wisdom, since you have axed down the roots feeding it.
antilyon
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Brazil2546 Posts
September 30 2011 13:37 GMT
#106
On September 30 2011 22:16 Paladia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2011 21:45 Eee wrote:
On September 30 2011 21:26 Paladia wrote:
On September 30 2011 20:29 Savern101 wrote:
Quality of last few TL articles like this have been getting really poor. There's race and imbalance complaining and bias in the NASL write-ups and now theres people dissing on the legend that is 2gd? How can you be allowed to write up an event (especially a dreamhack one) if you don't know who the fuck 2gd is?

If you don't know him from before, you won't be biased. 2GD was fairly decent in Quake as he actually seemed to like that game.

However, 2GD doesn't seem to care at all for Starcraft 2. He is just another of these esports "celebrities" that tries to make some money out of any game that is the flavor of the month. Doesn't even bother to check on who the players are prior to a tournament he is casting and since he doesn't care about the game he has no clue about any player on his own. Just check his "cast" of the Swedish WCG qualifier where he outright insults the players and has no clue about anyone, who they are or what they have done.

As for the TL articles having some opinions in them, it is something at least I like.

2GD is a former quake pro. However he´s an esports profile, he's definatley not in it for the money, he's been working with esports for years now, commentating some of the biggest CS, WoW, Quake events in the world. And also helped develope the esports game bloodline champhions etc.

He just goes to what-ever game has the most money in it (similar to Carmac). As far as I know, he doesn't even play or even like Starcraft to any degree, just tries to make a quick buck from it by throwing out some insults and not really caring. Have your for example seen 2GD do anything at all related to Starcraft that he isn't payed for?

As I said, he was (and is) decent when it comes to his involvement in Quake and casting that. But his lack of interest in SC2 really shines through when-ever he does something related to Starcraft. Much better to use people who are really passionate about the game instead then, such as Day9 or Husky.

Wheat is another example of someone who comes from the Quake community yet has switched over to Starcraft, he on the other hand does care about the game though and is eager to learn anything he can.

While on the "eyebrows"-suject. DongRaeGu looks and acts a bit like the "fuzzy eyebrows"-character in Naruto (Rock Lee), he also seems to practice very hard.

To be fair, 2GD on SC2 events is just for the laughs and such. Everyone knows he doesn't play it at all, but we like his dry sense of humor.
CoMMoDuS
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany507 Posts
September 30 2011 13:52 GMT
#107
Best tournament I've seen this year, finally a korean who gives interesting interviews.
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3772
Profile Joined May 2010
Czech Republic434 Posts
September 30 2011 14:15 GMT
#108
On September 30 2011 22:16 Paladia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 30 2011 21:45 Eee wrote:
On September 30 2011 21:26 Paladia wrote:
On September 30 2011 20:29 Savern101 wrote:
Quality of last few TL articles like this have been getting really poor. There's race and imbalance complaining and bias in the NASL write-ups and now theres people dissing on the legend that is 2gd? How can you be allowed to write up an event (especially a dreamhack one) if you don't know who the fuck 2gd is?

If you don't know him from before, you won't be biased. 2GD was fairly decent in Quake as he actually seemed to like that game.

However, 2GD doesn't seem to care at all for Starcraft 2. He is just another of these esports "celebrities" that tries to make some money out of any game that is the flavor of the month. Doesn't even bother to check on who the players are prior to a tournament he is casting and since he doesn't care about the game he has no clue about any player on his own. Just check his "cast" of the Swedish WCG qualifier where he outright insults the players and has no clue about anyone, who they are or what they have done.

As for the TL articles having some opinions in them, it is something at least I like.

2GD is a former quake pro. However he´s an esports profile, he's definatley not in it for the money, he's been working with esports for years now, commentating some of the biggest CS, WoW, Quake events in the world. And also helped develope the esports game bloodline champhions etc.

He just goes to what-ever game has the most money in it (similar to Carmac). As far as I know, he doesn't even play or even like Starcraft to any degree, just tries to make a quick buck from it by throwing out some insults and not really caring. Have your for example seen 2GD do anything at all related to Starcraft that he isn't payed for?

As I said, he was (and is) decent when it comes to his involvement in Quake and casting that. But his lack of interest in SC2 really shines through when-ever he does something related to Starcraft. Much better to use people who are really passionate about the game instead then, such as Day9 or Husky.

Wheat is another example of someone who comes from the Quake community yet has switched over to Starcraft, he on the other hand does care about the game though and is eager to learn anything he can.

While on the "eyebrows"-suject. DongRaeGu looks and acts a bit like the "fuzzy eyebrows"-character in Naruto (Rock Lee), he also seems to practice very hard.


Yeah. He doesn't get paid for it. Can you go to your basement now?
monie
Profile Joined February 2011
Sweden258 Posts
September 30 2011 14:17 GMT
#109
Didn't you forget HerO vs ThorZaiN or have I gone blind?
Tewks44
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2032 Posts
September 30 2011 14:18 GMT
#110
If he wrote that writeup complaining about downtime on the MLG streams he woulda got temp banned
, but I like the write up, the interview was great, and obviously he was trolling 2GD, if he could have easily looked his name up if he had wanted to.
"that is our ethos; free content, starcraft content, websites that work occasionally" -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
TeH_CaRnAg3
Profile Joined March 2010
United States239 Posts
September 30 2011 14:19 GMT
#111
I like his honesty and bluntness. But I can't wait to hear what koreans will say when a non-korean wills a gsl code s
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Madera
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden2672 Posts
September 30 2011 14:23 GMT
#112
Neat write-up. Thanks for the DRG interview!
Robinsa
Profile Joined May 2009
Japan1333 Posts
September 30 2011 15:00 GMT
#113
It was a great event worthy of the dreamhack tag. That being said, I have huge expectations for the DHW 2011 web-cast. Im really looking forward to it.

Just wondering, who came up with the white-text combinated with a white background for the lead paragraph ?
4649!!
ViTaLiTy17
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada16 Posts
September 30 2011 15:20 GMT
#114
On September 30 2011 23:19 TeH_CaRnAg3 wrote:
I like his honesty and bluntness. But I can't wait to hear what koreans will say when a non-korean wills a gsl code s


A foreigner winning Code S is a LONG way off sir Not bashing on foreigners becuz I am a huge HuK fan! But other than HuK, i don't see any foreigners doing well in Code S anytime soon.
CroDeadman
Profile Joined March 2010
Croatia76 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-30 15:28:16
September 30 2011 15:27 GMT
#115
Great event, not so great writeup imho.

And I'm definately not the one to whine about news posts on regular basis, sorry.
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Frankon
Profile Joined May 2010
3054 Posts
September 30 2011 15:45 GMT
#116
On September 30 2011 15:07 Xeris wrote:
TL's articles are amazing, but the turnaround time is REALLY slow... this event finished 2 weeks ago.

T_T!

Well its some European tournament... they always get a delayed article.....
Only MLG gets a write-up within a week. Hmmm...
I wonder how much Sundance pays TL writers to get info about his show faster ^^
KaluGOSU
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States171 Posts
September 30 2011 15:55 GMT
#117
On September 30 2011 22:06 Vadrigar wrote:
What a dumb write-up for a great event! The girl was the only bad thing of the event! Complaining about downtime? Are you serious? Eyebrows? GTFO

User was temp banned for this post.


i agree
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RG.Snowman
Profile Joined March 2011
United States14 Posts
September 30 2011 16:07 GMT
#118
Hm. 2/10. Surprising, in all my days of reading TL articles I haven't actually disliked one enough to post. White text was awful, and the remaining text makes a subpar write up. 2GD part seems really distasteful, especially if it is a troll. I'd like atleast some element of seriousness in these writeups though I suppose thats just me.

Writers block perhaps?
It's not show business. Its snows business, and when snow and the boys aren't there. There's NO business.
Reptilia
Profile Joined June 2010
Chile913 Posts
September 30 2011 16:19 GMT
#119
nice write-up but please change the color of DRG's interview answers.
Its almost impossible to read if you don't highlight
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Roggay
Profile Joined April 2010
Switzerland6320 Posts
September 30 2011 16:58 GMT
#120
Ahahah I had a good laugh seeing how many people got trolled by the 2GD part.

Otherwise, good read!
carloselcoco
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States2302 Posts
September 30 2011 17:29 GMT
#121
he got himself forcefielded in the mouth.


This just made the whole thing worthy to read!!!! xD
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jyLee
Profile Joined August 2009
United States350 Posts
September 30 2011 17:57 GMT
#122
lol so many butthurt people because of drg's opinions. All his comments on thorzain was spot on. Games look misleadingly close when the terran just sits there turtling. Also drg praised naniwa highly by saying he's as talented as koreans so why so mad? I love the little babies saying they are no longer drg fans haha.
Paladia
Profile Joined August 2003
802 Posts
September 30 2011 18:08 GMT
#123
DRG said at TL Attack that he thinks Thorzain is the best foreigner, so he does respect him.
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LovE-
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1963 Posts
September 30 2011 18:12 GMT
#124
I have never heard of 2gd or whatever his name is before DH Valencia.. so I thought the bit on him was spot on ^^

And why does everyone get so mad over DRG's comments?
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.Sic.
Profile Joined February 2011
Korea (South)497 Posts
September 30 2011 18:51 GMT
#125
On September 30 2011 08:23 BigLighthouse wrote:
Wow DRG comes off awful cocky in that interview for a guy who narrowly won 3-2. Its all well and good saying that terrans playing slow is what makes it "appear" that zerg is having trouble, but I think 2 games dropped are slightly more than just an illusion. I love his play and he's just amazing at the game, but I can never find myself a fan despite the immense respect you have to have for the guy.

Really great write up too, especially enjoyed the "Eyebrows Guy" comments, made me titter.


I'd have agreed with you, but after watching the replays, I can't. On the two games he lost (especially Taldarim Altar), he did an unnecessarily risky fast muta build and lost a shitton of drones. The fact that he even lasted that long on the Taldarim game after losing half of his drones is a feat that's almost impossible for any zerg player.
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RedRat
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany4 Posts
September 30 2011 19:45 GMT
#126
Fuzzy Eyebrows and DRG were my highlight of this event. Hope to see them in future events too!
haga
Profile Joined February 2009
Norway24 Posts
September 30 2011 20:16 GMT
#127
EZPZ.
Don't lead me into temptation, I'll walk myself.
ArchDC
Profile Joined May 2011
Malaysia1996 Posts
September 30 2011 20:54 GMT
#128
On September 30 2011 08:29 Bobston wrote:
Show nested quote +
Watching the push on the minimap was a bit like watching the Windows progress bar while trying to transfer a file; it got about a quarter of the way there, paused for a while, shot forward and jumped back a bit, did a few calculations and eventually kind of secured a good spot at about 68% of the way there.


That made me lol pretty hard. tyvm for the post!


2nd this lol. Nice recap! Thorzain really should hone the killer instinct like July!
Bobster
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany3075 Posts
September 30 2011 22:12 GMT
#129
DRG does come off as condescending towards non-Koreans, so I don't particularly like his comments (as do many others).


That said, great job Dreamhack crew, 2GD was pretty funny and the overall production went well.
Spicy_Curry
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States10573 Posts
September 30 2011 22:35 GMT
#130
Wtf, dissing 2GD? That girl was awful in comparison.

Man Europeans don't understand sarcasm do they.
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Slangen
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden1166 Posts
September 30 2011 22:50 GMT
#131
On October 01 2011 07:35 spicyredcurry wrote:
Show nested quote +
Wtf, dissing 2GD? That girl was awful in comparison.

Man Europeans don't understand sarcasm do they.


He's from Canada?
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JohnnyYen
Profile Joined September 2010
United States313 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-01 00:11:21
October 01 2011 00:09 GMT
#132
lol, I hate to be part of the disgruntled contributors to this thread, but..

We had small and big upsets everywhere, and we came oh so close to having the BIGGEST upset by having a foreigner finally win, but alas.

Huk's win doesn't count? Someone please explain if I'm missing something here!

Dreamhack is the besty.
Tewks44
Profile Joined April 2011
United States2032 Posts
October 01 2011 18:30 GMT
#133
On October 01 2011 09:09 JohnnyYen wrote:
lol, I hate to be part of the disgruntled contributors to this thread, but..

Show nested quote +
We had small and big upsets everywhere, and we came oh so close to having the BIGGEST upset by having a foreigner finally win, but alas.

Huk's win doesn't count? Someone please explain if I'm missing something here!

Dreamhack is the besty.


I'm assuming he was just referring to the fact Koreans have won the majority of the recent tournaments. Or maybe we're just getting trolled.
"that is our ethos; free content, starcraft content, websites that work occasionally" -Sean "Day[9]" Plott
JoeKer
Profile Joined May 2011
United States9 Posts
October 02 2011 02:13 GMT
#134
Great
I'll think of one give me a minute.
sgQuicksilver
Profile Joined October 2011
Bulgaria10 Posts
October 02 2011 19:54 GMT
#135
I like how drg plays, but i don't like him. He is way overconfident....
iinsight
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada293 Posts
October 02 2011 21:24 GMT
#136
Great write up! didn't see any of it so it was nice
Xaerkar
Profile Joined January 2011
United States230 Posts
October 02 2011 23:09 GMT
#137
Fantastic write-up, was a good sum up of the games I failed to watch. So sad that Thorzain lost though, not because I'm not a DRG fanboy or anything, but because he was so close, and that winning by 1 game seems too unrelenting in a bo5. Maybe in future longer series will require the winner to win by 2 games.
Nallen
Profile Joined September 2011
United Kingdom134 Posts
October 03 2011 14:09 GMT
#138
On September 30 2011 08:21 byce wrote:
Wow, show some respect to 2gd and stop acting like you've never seen a pretty girl before. Painful read.

You know what was painful? Watching this 2gd guy 'flirt'. When you're making someone visibly uncomfortable that's not a great viewing experience.
Deezl
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States355 Posts
October 03 2011 22:05 GMT
#139
Hey guys, its meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee I wrote the event recaps, and yes, I was trolling about 2gd <3

I will talk to HotBid about how to troll better next time!
Three hundred lives of men I have walked this world, and now I have no time.
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
October 04 2011 01:16 GMT
#140
Love DRG! Always gives such great interviews and love his honesty about foreign pros.
Top 10 favourite pros: MKP, MVP, MC, Nestea, DRG, Jaedong, Flash, Life, Creator, Leenock
Fatze
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Germany1342 Posts
October 04 2011 21:43 GMT
#141
/ironic

where is the Hailey Bright - fanclub? :D
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