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Quesa
Profile Joined November 2010
United States304 Posts
July 19 2011 23:03 GMT
#101
I don't particularly care what strides they make in improving production value, stream quality, caster performance or anything of the like, if next season's finale is set to take 16 great players and play 16 matches over 3 days, I'm out now.
Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it.
bertu
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
Brazil871 Posts
July 19 2011 23:03 GMT
#102
On July 20 2011 07:48 Waxangel wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

On July 20 2011 07:47 DontGiveUp wrote:
For me, the greatest problem with NASL was the stream lagging in some regions through the season and specially in the finals (definitely wasn't an isolated problem, as several people reported the same kind of lag at the same times) and poor costumer support when dealing with those issues.

I could live with a bad stream for a good tournament if they promised to eventually fix things, but watching how they handled the many issues in this league just made me lose faith. The impression I had is that they have no clue on what they are doing as a professional business, even though they are good people with good intentions.

My verdict: skeptical and disappointed. It would take a MLG-esque comeback to make me buy another ticket, but I don't see it happening with their organization. Best of luck for them, though, the idea of an american based starleague has so much potential.


I can't be sure, but I think that the stream lag was a regional justin.tv prob?


I also can't know for sure, but during the finals there were people complaining about the same kind of lag (heavy spikes during games, but not during interviews) and they were from different regions.

Than again, having a lagged stream during a weekend is a big issue, but not the end of the world. It's just that, for me, that was the tipping point after an accumulation of other problems.
SEKO SEKO SEKO
xXFireandIceXx
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Canada4296 Posts
July 19 2011 23:06 GMT
#103
On July 20 2011 08:03 DontGiveUp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 20 2011 07:48 Waxangel wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +

On July 20 2011 07:47 DontGiveUp wrote:
For me, the greatest problem with NASL was the stream lagging in some regions through the season and specially in the finals (definitely wasn't an isolated problem, as several people reported the same kind of lag at the same times) and poor costumer support when dealing with those issues.

I could live with a bad stream for a good tournament if they promised to eventually fix things, but watching how they handled the many issues in this league just made me lose faith. The impression I had is that they have no clue on what they are doing as a professional business, even though they are good people with good intentions.

My verdict: skeptical and disappointed. It would take a MLG-esque comeback to make me buy another ticket, but I don't see it happening with their organization. Best of luck for them, though, the idea of an american based starleague has so much potential.


I can't be sure, but I think that the stream lag was a regional justin.tv prob?


I also can't know for sure, but during the finals there were people complaining about the same kind of lag (heavy spikes during games, but not during interviews) and they were from different regions.

Than again, having a lagged stream during a weekend is a big issue, but not the end of the world. It's just that, for me, that was the tipping point after an accumulation of other problems.


Very true. Occasional stream lagging is somewhat acceptable, but the other major errors that seriously took away from the enjoyment of the event should be addressed. No doubt in my mind NASL won't trip over hte same rock twice.
wtfstarcraf
Profile Joined April 2011
United States6 Posts
July 19 2011 23:08 GMT
#104
videos are really cool keep up the work guys...priceless
tree.hugger
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Philadelphia, PA10406 Posts
July 19 2011 23:24 GMT
#105
I think, though the reactions in this thread are pretty diverse, the response is clear. The NASL got a mixed verdict. It got off on the weightier charges, but will still be doing some significant community service.

I thought this recap did a good job of covering the multiple angles of this event. This being the North American Starleague, and the heftiest portion of TL staff being from the US, this was definitely the most extensive coverage we've gotten. And whatever weaknesses in "TV-sports-ness" the NASL might've had, it really showed the strength of this growing community. Well done to all the writers involved.
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Primadog
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States4411 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-19 23:41:44
July 19 2011 23:33 GMT
#106
Thanks for the positive responses everyone! I just got the off the phone, and guess which community got another video interview with White-Ra on the 24th? XD
[image loading]

No, I am not going to hand out White-Ra's cellphone number.
Thank God and gunrun.
OPL3SA2
Profile Joined April 2011
United States378 Posts
July 19 2011 23:36 GMT
#107
"He told me if I wanted to set it, up he'd be ok with it."

How does a typo like that occur? (without being dyslexic)
Playoffs? You're talking about playoffs?
Myles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States5162 Posts
July 20 2011 00:00 GMT
#108
I'm one of those that feel the NASL overhyped and under-delivered. I understand that they're inexperienced and have pure intentions, but that doesn't exempt them. The grand finals may have produced an excellent final series, but the rest was, imo, a really big mess. I'm optimistic that they've learned from this though, as their streams were very rough to start as well, but became quite good after a bit, and I hope their next live event improves in the same way.

On July 20 2011 08:36 OPL3SA2 wrote:
"He told me if I wanted to set it, up he'd be ok with it."

How does a typo like that occur? (without being dyslexic)


Shit happens, everyone has typos that make it to print once in a while.

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pyrethedirtbag
Profile Joined October 2010
United States17 Posts
July 20 2011 00:05 GMT
#109
great story
a dirtbag says what everyone is thinking but wont say
CeriseCherries
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
6170 Posts
July 20 2011 00:12 GMT
#110
Well, as long as Season II can roll around with significantly improved quality, I'm sold. I won't hold Season I against them if they use it as a test run for what could go wrong.

Were some great games, but concerns about invitations proves correct; some of the matches were just boosters to my lackluster liquibetting percentage.
Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.
fishjie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1519 Posts
July 20 2011 00:19 GMT
#111
great write up, my only complaint is that it should have been EVEN LONGER!

bloodmeat
Profile Joined August 2010
United States160 Posts
July 20 2011 00:29 GMT
#112
I couldn't agree with you more about professionalism in starcraft 2. Who cares if its not like a major sporting event. This is a new age and it calls for new rules and traditions.
Your mom is ruining esports.
emythrel
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United Kingdom2599 Posts
July 20 2011 00:31 GMT
#113
On July 20 2011 09:19 fishjie wrote:
great write up, my only complaint is that it should have been EVEN LONGER!



You have no idea how much was cut, it was an achievement to make it as short as Wax did lol
When there is nothing left to lose but your dignity, it is already gone.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
July 20 2011 00:31 GMT
#114
Amazing writeup, read it all :o
The part about professionalism is perfect.
Gretorp seems to be....a special person. Like the Jean Claude Van Dame of ESPORTS.
WArped
Profile Joined December 2010
United Kingdom4845 Posts
July 20 2011 01:07 GMT
#115
This is such an amazing write-up I was reliving the moment reading that game 7 recap by emytherel. :3

WhiteRa never fails to make me smile.
Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
July 20 2011 01:09 GMT
#116
On July 20 2011 08:33 Primadog wrote:
Thanks for the positive responses everyone! I just got the off the phone, and guess which community got another video interview with White-Ra on the 24th? XD
[image loading]

No, I am not going to hand out White-Ra's cellphone number.

That's a korean restaurant right? Man I wish they had more of those over here.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
AgentZero
Profile Joined October 2010
United States28 Posts
July 20 2011 01:11 GMT
#117
Great write-up I think it summed up the whole tourney pretty well. I was one of the people who paid for NASL season 1 and when everything clicked they really looked like they wanted to be the premier SC2 tourney in NA. When it didn't work it usually blew up spectacularly. Overall I was happy with the money I spent and will gladly pay for season 2. I also have to say, kudos to NASL for going with their "homegrown" team in the finals. Geoff and Andre put in a lot of time this season and arguably sacrificed a lot to consistently cast the ton of games that NASL put out. They earned their time on the big stage. I think the two of them really developed some nice chemistry this season and how much they've grown as casters was on display at the finals.
SgtPepper
Profile Joined November 2010
United States568 Posts
July 20 2011 01:12 GMT
#118
Gretorp, hang in there man!!
"After I reconquer Ba Sing Se, I'm going to reconquer my tea shop! And I'm going to play Pai Sho every day."
Kelsin
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States253 Posts
July 20 2011 01:17 GMT
#119
Nice write up guys, loved reading all of it. Thanks
Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9049 Posts
July 20 2011 01:25 GMT
#120
"Somehow I don't think this guy is going anywhere..."
Why?
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