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There's no denying that day 1 was awful. From the 2 hour delay, to having no audio for a good part of the broadcast, it was shoddy. But to be perfectly honest with you, by the time we reached the grand final I didn't even care about all of that. The crowd, the commentators and the quality/intensity of the final games generated so much energy, you couldn't help but be excited.
And for all the crap InControl and Gretorp have received (I'll admit, I'm not their biggest fans with regards to commentary), they did an INCREDIBLE job in the grand finals. I dare someone to find a single complaint. People kicked and screamed for Tastosis, but these two were actually fantastic.
Personally, I can't wait for Season 2.
EDIT: Oooh, forgot to say - like everyone else, I'm quite disappointed that it was only single elimination. But hey, it was a building/learning experience. The next one will be better, it's inevitable.
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I have to agree strongly with the article on professionalism. A professional sound engineer or producer or any of the other background staff is one that nobody thinks about whatsoever. I'm fairly sad that NASL either didn't employ the right people or couldn't afford to or what, because there were some clear issues when it came to professionalism. In fact, the defence for poor professionalism often seemed to be "Well this is really difficult and we're doing our best", which seems to essentially be admitting that you're not really professionals.
Still, people can be crazily harsh. Personal attacks are really unwarranted. I find it hard to question the dedication and desire to create a good product even if there were big issues, and that at least should be commended. The failure came in biting off more than those involved could chew, and if over ambition is the worst quality of an organisation then it's something I can forgive so long as they learn from it.
Overall, I'm glad I didn't pay for anything, especially considering I missed some of the finals because of genuinely the most ridiculous scheduling ever (the second worst thing you can do with scheduling is have hours of dead air, the very worst is trying to rectify that by showing things TWO HOURS EARLY when you haven't done that at all before) but I appreciate the effort that went into it and enjoyed a lot of the games. I won't be paying for NASL2 either because I simply don't trust that they'll do a good enough job yet, but I'll certainly be watching and hoping they succeed.
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You gave NASL far too much credit for the level of production they put on. I understand you're walking a fine line as TL is a major SC2 fansite, but still, why is it so hard for us to be honest?
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you my boy gretorp! :D really nice writeup! so much info!
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On July 20 2011 10:39 hmunkey wrote:
You gave NASL far too much credit for the level of production they put on. I understand you're walking a fine line as TL is a major SC2 fansite, but still, why is it so hard for us to be honest?
Amen!
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Gretorp is always calm and collected. Great job this season, can't wait to see you during season 2.
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On July 20 2011 10:39 hmunkey wrote:
You gave NASL far too much credit for the level of production they put on. I understand you're walking a fine line as TL is a major SC2 fansite, but still, why is it so hard for us to be honest?
Yeah..
On the day of the finals I had set aside the issues from the entire season and the first two days. I hadn't forgotten but I wasn't going to let them spoil a potentially exciting finale. Then, as I was watching the losers final I got a call from my sister asking for help. Without a moments consideration for the epic finals and production quality I got up and left, coming back to see the final game. I later watched the VODs.
As you can guess, I was not the least bit invested to see the finals after being let down so many times. If I was free I'd have watched every single game live but you can only push so far before I just don't care. There's a lot of tournaments out there and I don't have to watch if my most notable memory is 10game/12hour
You could have guessed it but the only article that captured how I felt accurately was by jimlloyd. I apologize for bringing negativity to this thread, I have high hopes for season 2. But this is how I feel.
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Not that game 7 of MC vs. Puma wasn't epic, it's just that the whole series was so incredible that you can't say that game seven was the highlight of the whole series.
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So exciting. Barcraft is awesome, NASL is awesome, Gretorp's grown so much. Onward and upward~
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I'm glad Elly is getting more coverage now! Elly hwaiting!!
+ Show Spoiler +thanks for the writeup too :3
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nasl was great, but the pictures on this thread are so annoying imo!
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On July 20 2011 10:27 Dox wrote:
There's no denying that day 1 was awful. From the 2 hour delay, to having no audio for a good part of the broadcast, it was shoddy. But to be perfectly honest with you, by the time we reached the grand final I didn't even care about all of that. The crowd, the commentators and the quality/intensity of the final games generated so much energy, you couldn't help but be excited.
And for all the crap InControl and Gretorp have received (I'll admit, I'm not their biggest fans with regards to commentary), they did an INCREDIBLE job in the grand finals. I dare someone to find a single complaint. People kicked and screamed for Tastosis, but these two were actually fantastic.
Personally, I can't wait for Season 2.
EDIT: Oooh, forgot to say - like everyone else, I'm quite disappointed that it was only single elimination. But hey, it was a building/learning experience. The next one will be better, it's inevitable.
Agreed with absolutely everything you said lol. The atmosphere was electric and as good as any event so far, and Gretorp and Incontrol REALLY stepped up for the grand finals. Superb commentary, really loved it. The finals, the semi finals were all unbelievable series...I was just in love with this event.
They need to work on their production, but I'm optimistic that they'll do that 
And yeah, double elimintation should be considered for season 2!!
Great writeup TL!!
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On July 20 2011 11:30 Retgery wrote:
Not that game 7 of MC vs. Puma wasn't epic, it's just that the whole series was so incredible that you can't say that game seven was the highlight of the whole series.
I selected it because it was a fitting feature game to go with the theme "the ends justify the means", I did even note in my parting words that it arguably wasn't the best game ;p
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Well this is weird. The DC Barcraft thing purports to be written by me but I had nothing to do with writing it.
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It's inevitable that season 1 had hiccups. So what? You can whine about it all day, but it's indisputable that they had some of the best players in the world, playing some awesome matches, as long as we have that, everything else will fall in line. Season 2's production values will be much better, these are smart people, they will learn from their mistakes. I can't wait. Great job NASL, my $25 well spent and looking forward to more.
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Ohhh man what i would do for a Barcraft group in Western Australia... Hell what i would do for some friends in WA who were into the SC scene... Awesome write up and reviews love the work going into the scene these days... I'll continueing watching every event from home cheering on all the nerd ballers! much <3
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I'll admit it and say that at first i disliked Gretorp. But man did that guy grow and me as the season went on. awesome wright up.
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On July 20 2011 06:07 shindigs wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 05:47 Kennigit wrote:
I'm so proud of you guys for putting this together :3 - amazing coverage.
Also note at 01:45 in shindigs interview with Lindsey Sporrer - Tasteless walks by causing shindigs to lose all interest in the Beauty Queen hahaha. Power of ESPORTS. I deny nothing and stand by my actions.
Good man, we understand and wish we were in your position too.
On July 20 2011 06:05 DND_Enkil wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 05:46 nekuodah wrote:On July 20 2011 05:34 bigbeau wrote:
I don't understand how you can ignore their faults just because they got LUCKY and had an amazing finals. The production was crap. The epicness of a finals is not a result of the tournament organizers. I agree with this, the tournament was saved by such an epic finals had those games been a 4-0 cheesefest NASL would probably be remembered as the worst tournament in history :s i am however cautiously optimistic about season 2, if they do follow up on their word and improve ill be happy to support them but if its another catastrophy i will lose all faith in them and their ability to learn from mistakes. On the topic of the write up its great and detailed me likey, also nothing tops the awesomeness that is white-ra <3333 Yeah, great games awful tournament... I hope they halve the prize pool and put that money into proffesional help. Tastosis recently said GSL has 3 make up artists on staff... 3 make up artists, while i get the impression NASL did a shoutout on IRC and grabbed the first 10 people volounteering. The difference in production is just astonishing, for me to be interested in the future they need to rethink their budget big-time. I am soundy pessimistic about season 2, but they did power thru the first season despite all troube so... I am cautiosly optimistic about season 3.
If the 3 make-up artists artists are the main point with which you compare GSL and NASL, sir, then I'll direct you to this thread. Just scroll down to the feature.
Barcraft is something I'd like to start here, if possible. Maybe open my own cafe and put in the TVs and stuff. ESPORTS fan forever.
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On July 20 2011 12:44 sup bro wrote:Show nested quote +On July 20 2011 12:29 BlackMTsidE wrote:
It's inevitable that season 1 had hiccups. So what? You can whine about it all day, but it's indisputable that they had some of the best players in the world, playing some awesome matches, as long as we have that, everything else will fall in line. Season 2's production values will be much better, these are smart people, they will learn from their mistakes. I can't wait. Great job NASL, my $25 well spent and looking forward to more. They didn't even have the best players in the world though. They invited so many average foreigners and even some of the koreans that were invited (ace, squirtle, Boxer) just aren't that good. The only code s players were zenio, Nada, July and MC iirc. If they actually had mkp, mvp, nestea, sc, losira, etc then you could say they had the best players. They had a subpar player lineup and a terrible production plan for a tournament this hyped with this much prize money.
I don't think he said "all of the best players in the world'. And Losira and sc aren't that good. The person to watch is Byun. Also, don't diss their production plan, they've done way more for the community than most of us have.
Nice first post bro.
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On July 20 2011 12:29 BlackMTsidE wrote:
It's inevitable that season 1 had hiccups. So what? You can whine about it all day, but it's indisputable that they had some of the best players in the world, playing some awesome matches, as long as we have that, everything else will fall in line. Season 2's production values will be much better, these are smart people, they will learn from their mistakes. I can't wait. Great job NASL, my $25 well spent and looking forward to more.
They didn't even have the best players in the world though. They invited so many average foreigners and even some of the koreans that were invited (ace, squirtle, Boxer) just aren't that good. The only code s players were zenio, Nada, July and MC iirc. If they actually had mkp, mvp, nestea, sc, losira, etc then you could say they had the best players. They had a subpar player lineup and a terrible production plan for a tournament this hyped with this much prize money.
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