Jinro, Haypro, TLO at GSL Open #2 Quals - This Weekend
Our boys are at the GSL Quals these next four days and will be battling a lot of competition to get through to the GSL Open #2. Jinro and HayprO play Saturday and TLO plays his match on Monday. [More]
Nada to oGs - This Weekend
Yes, your world has just been rocked, we know. Lee Yoon Yeol, the most successful progamer of all time, is joining Liquid's partner team oGs! [More]
Jinro, Haypro, TLO at GSL Open #2 Quals - This Weekend
Jinro, TLO and HayprO in the brand spanking new Liquid jersey. Woot! (Fomos picture)
Our boys are at the GSL Quals these next four days and will be battling a lot of competition to get through to the GSL Open #2. Jinro and HayprO play Saturday and TLO plays his match on Monday. Be sure to follow the action in the Live Report thread for today and check back on Monday again as TLO throws down in a bid to qualify for his second GSL Open!
In case you didn't notice, our boys in blue are also now sporting the colour in the form of an awesome new jersey designed by Kennigit. It looks pretty awesome, if we do say so ourselves. Think you'd like one too? Let us know.
Nada to oGs - This Weekend
Yes, your world has just been rocked, we know. Lee Yoon Yeol, the most successful progamer of all time, is joining Liquid's partner team oGs! We're super excited to follow up the Korean media announcement by bringing you Liquid's thoughts on this ground breaking piece of news, and also, exclusive replays of the man himself playing our very own TLO.
Hello, Liquid! Big news today. What were your initial reactions to it?
TLO: First I was like: Oh wow, then it went to HOLY SHIT, passing the "that cant be real, am I dreaming" making its big final in hopefully he needs to sleep in my bunk bed because everything is taken!
Jinro: Excitement, but my mind is too pre-occupied with the upcoming GSL to really feel much of anything.
Haypro: It' insane to have such a huge player on our partner team. Gonna be really cool to meet him!
Do you remember first getting to know about Nada? Where were you in life, and how did you find out about Lee Yoon Yeol?
Jinro: Pretty sure it was shortly after I started following progaming - was about 13 years old, had just watched my first OSL (actually, second - I started watching progaming around the NATE OSL semis, but Sky 2002 was the first full OSL I followed). Shortly after Reach 3-1ed BoxeR in the Sky finals, NaDa 3-0ed Reach to win the MBC Starleague (back then called KPGA tour I think) going on at the time... I remember sort of putting it down to Reach just focusing his efforts on the OSL finals, I was a huge fan of Reach, but Nada just kept on bulldozing.
Haypro: I remember watching replays of Nada playing on WGT where he in TvP just did 6 fac tanks only and won all games like that.
Nada was known as the Genius Terran in Broodwar and was famous for his vulture harass into 200/200 "Tornado" TvP. How do you think his play will evolve as he moves into SC2 and is there a particular style of play you expect to see from him?
Jinro: Well, the same I guess? Harass into big push seems pretty suitable for SC2 terran.
TLO: I think he will treat the game a lot like SC1, which is a very good thing not enough people do that. He'll be all over the map multitasking, doing drops and probably implement tanks a lot. So he can just roll over his opponent after damaging him enough.
Haypro: Yes indeed, I think harass into big push is a big thing for terran in sc2 and that will suit him perfectly.
TLO, you played him at IEM Gamescom. Even at that early stage, he showed remarkable prowess as a Terran. If there was something unique about his play compared to the Terrans you had met until then, what was it?
TLO: Well back in IEM he played a very oldschool Terran style in my opinion just having this tank line over the map. But nowadays he is not playing like that anymore I think.
In conclusion, what's gonna be the best part about having Nada around?
TLO: His Body. Actually, His Body and fangirls coming here to stalk him! :D
Jinro: I see a sexual harassment lawsuit in your future.
Haypro. Yes, Dario, be careful. I think we will all get more dedicated because we have such a big name player as part of our practice environment.
Hi Tyler - we join you today just a week or so from MLG DC. How is everything going? Tyler: I'm really excited for MLG DC. The player list is great. And I am doing well thank you!
Some cool stuff has happened since we last spoke. Most notable, HuK is now a Liquidian. Any thoughts on that?
Tyler: I love it. HuK and I got along well at MLG Raleigh and it'll be nice to have some teammates with me.
And now we're joined by the man himself. Welcome, Huk! Tyler was just saying it'll be cool to have a teammate at MLG.
HuK: Lol yes, of course. There will be the three of us, I believe, among a lot of other top notch players now that the official list has been released.
Let's do the obvious and talk Protoss. Which matchups are you both happiest with, and which do you think you need to work on more?
HuK: personally my pvt is best probably and pvz weakest
Tyler: I like PvT and PvZ but PvP is still annoying for me.
There have been rumblings of Zergs being dissatisfied with ZvP, calling it difficult. HuK, you said it's your weakest MU and Tyler you said you like it - could you go into specifics?
HuK: Well my failings pvz maybe be mainly contributed to the fact that I do most of my practice on ladder, and I rarely meet up with any good zerg players; or even zerg players at all. I would say I play against zergs like 10% of my matchups or less.
Tyler: I think I've just found some gameplans that fit my strengths and style of play so I feel very comfortable with it now.
There are a fair amount of complaints about the effectiveness of EMP in PvT, especially as a counter to templar. What are your thoughts on this?
HuK: Emp vs templars is pretty sick, ghosts in general with cloak and snipe as well destroy templar builds. Although collosus vs ghosts is pretty autowin.
Tyler: I think EMP is really too strong but not necessarily against HT. I like playing HT vs Ghost cuz then I can multitask better and Feedback his Ghosts and feel awesome. But I think EMP does too much damage to shields.
Tyler we know you've been messing around with PvP. How do both of you feel about the mirror matchup and its development these past few months?
HuK: Well I think it’s really developing fast and there are a lot of viable things that are surfacing especially since MLG Raleigh. I guess wait and see NYC it will change a lot of peoples perspectives on PvP I hope.
Tyler: Like I said PvP still bothers me. I've been going through all the popular openings to kind of start from scratch and see what I like. I've learned a lot but I haven't discovered a completely safe way of playing which is what I always like.
HuK: Still very much like flipping a coin, basically.
Tyler: Yeah I think that the things that have been seen in big tournaments don't represent all the things that are out there.
It's interesting you bring up style. Tyler, you're known for your safe, conservative play with solid mechanics and HuK you're renowned for being super aggressive and getting up in your opponent's face from the word go. If you each had one thing you'd like to learn or adopt from your Protoss counterpart, what would it be?
HuK: Hmm... I would say I would like to have the creativity and imagination to come up with the build orders he does. Hes the type of player to revolutionize the matchup with bringing something completely new to the table (hopefully in a tournament).
Tyler: Hmmm I like HuK's control of big armies in PvT. Well probably in all the matchups but I've noticed some very solid control in PvT and it makes a huge difference.
Protoss went from being a race that was under represented at the first SC2 retail event (Gamescom Cologne), to sweeping the podium at the first North American tournament (MLG Raleigh). How do you reflect on this, and where do you think the race is headed in general?
HuK: Well generally speaking at the time of those very close events I said and still feel like the NA protoss were a lot better then the EU ones; although now I think its a lot closer. Other then that I think the EU terran/zerg maybe a bit stronger then the NA. Don't really look into it much could of all just been chance as well.
Tyler: Ah I don't pay too much attention to the races to be honest. Just the players. I think Protoss will keep doing fine I guess? Haha. All three races have a lot of work to do on strategies and control so I'm sure we'll see them all evolve and maybe one will get ahead of the others and dominate but it's not a huge deal.
Players - who are your favourite Protoss to watch at the moment, and which of them do you think has the most to offer the race in terms of development?
HuK: I have a lot but obviously my favorite is Nony.
Tyler: Hmm just HuK. HuK and I are gonna do it all.
Hahaha. We’re gonna let you go then. GLHF and see you at MLG!
We've only got a couple of replays for you this week, but you're gonna love them all. After all, with games vs the two greatest Broodwar Terrans of all time, what's not to love?
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Man TLO getting to play vs Boxer and Nada. I'm pretty jealous even though I'd lose easily against them. I'd probably be too excited to do anything right.
Overall just an extremely exciting week for us TeamLiquid fans. Can't wait to watch HuK, Tyler and ret(?) at DC. Also really pumped to see if TLO, Jinro and Haypro qualify for GSL.
And NaDa to oGs... Wow. I can't imagine how the TL guys in Korea must feel to be able to practice with this guy. Truly awesome.
Pretty cool that TLO is getting some love from BoxeR too . Can't wait to load up those replays.
You guys do such amazing write-ups, as always thanks for all the hard work. The writers and staff are really what makes team liquid so amazing :3 Good luck to huk nony and ret. Every one at GSL give em hell!
The Nada thing blows my mind, one of the best exchanges i have ever seen between two players, as for the jersey, well i know what ill be getting my self for (insert any day of the year and attack some clever rhyme) day i have totally earned it
I can't imagine these 2 guys going to the bar to talk about strategies and comming up with something crazy like mass infestor neural parasite zerg egg killing build or something :D
Nada =) I want to see him play! I hope he can do it. Might also be kind of a hard situation when someone like Nada joins your team. Will he become the best? If not, it might be an ever harder situation for him.
On October 09 2010 13:31 riptide wrote: Poll: Would you buy and wear the new Liquid jersey?
(Vote): Yes! It's pretty awesome.
pretty awesome? It's TOTALLY awsome. To, even better news than Nada playing for oGs, although he's not moving to the oGs/liquid house. But liquid gear is auto-buy, I'm currently look where I can preoder.
Love the new design of the Tees, but I must say, the colour choice doesn't really seem to match that of the new TL theme. Maybe it's the lighting in the photo (I'd love to see a clearer shot of them).
I loved how different Boxer, Nada, and TLO played in those replays. Each had their own distinct style. TLO had amazing builds for TvT. I like all three players so much I can't root for just one. Hope all three make it far in GSL2
Well Nada is really someone the whole team can look up to in terms of dedication. With Gon, Top, Hyperdub, Ensnare and Nada, this seems like a good place to continously work on your TvT.
I remember when SK-gaming's counterstrike team was huge. They had SK-insider, where you paid around 10 euro for extra exposure to the team. I don't think SK-gaming ever had anything near such quality news for their paying fans. Really, these things are awesome and I'm very proud of the people working on this. You really feel a connection to the team as a reader.
On October 09 2010 18:02 SimpleHarmonicMotion wrote: I find it hilarious how darios english has lowered itself to korean levels after just a few weeks! ;D
I actually think his English has improved! He even mentioned he no longer dreams in German.
Awesome (in the original sense of the word) replays! Who doesn't want to see a lot more Korean Pro replays in SC2? It would be very interesting to see what playstyles could come out of the six protoss dragons though.
This reports are really well done, thanks for the good job. TLO must be a 24hour smilingface, i wish him and the swedes lots of fun and gl in the next GSL
"HuK: Well generally speaking at the time of those very close events I said and still feel like the NA protoss were a lot better then the EU ones." Didn't HuK get swept in the EU IEM?
On October 09 2010 21:57 Nivoh wrote: "HuK: Well generally speaking at the time of those very close events I said and still feel like the NA protoss were a lot better then the EU ones." Didn't HuK get swept in the EU IEM?
There wasn't a EU protoss that did better though? I just remember hasuobs whining about marauders on stage :D
On October 09 2010 21:57 Nivoh wrote: "HuK: Well generally speaking at the time of those very close events I said and still feel like the NA protoss were a lot better then the EU ones." Didn't HuK get swept in the EU IEM?
Huk's game matured immensely following IEM cologne.
On an unrelated note, Hayder looks way too skinny, but that can be fixed with a healthy dose of korean bbq 3 times a week.
So much awesome stuff seems to be happening recently that a weekly is not enough. Awesome about Nada. gl to the TL Ps at MLG. GL to TLO at GSL.
BTW full message-log of boxer vs TLO (gg part spoilered to avoid spoiling result): LiquidTLO: gl hf ManofOneway: HIHI ManofOneway: gl ManofOneway: i'm ManofOneway: your fan ^^ LiquidTLO: lol LiquidTLO: ^^ LiquidTLO: same! ManofOneway: !? LiquidTLO: I fan of you too ManofOneway: ur game very fun ^^ LiquidTLO: thanks^^ LiquidTLO: I hope next time LiquidTLO: me better player ManofOneway: yeah + Show Spoiler +
On October 10 2010 00:34 rasnj wrote: So much awesome stuff seems to be happening recently that a weekly is not enough. Awesome about Nada. gl to the TL Ps at MLG. GL to TLO at GSL.
BTW full message-log of boxer vs TLO (gg part spoilered to avoid spoiling result): LiquidTLO: gl hf ManofOneway: HIHI ManofOneway: gl ManofOneway: i'm ManofOneway: your fan ^^ LiquidTLO: lol LiquidTLO: ^^ LiquidTLO: same! ManofOneway: !? LiquidTLO: I fan of you too ManofOneway: ur game very fun ^^ LiquidTLO: thanks^^ LiquidTLO: I hope next time LiquidTLO: me better player ManofOneway: yeah + Show Spoiler +
ManofOneway: hhyo LiquidTLO: gg ManofOneway: ggyo
I'm off to watch some TLO vs Nada action!
It's awesome, boxer is officially part of the TLO fanclub.
I wonder if TLO spoke with poor english just to be very explicit. Boxer doesnt seem that good at english.
On October 10 2010 00:40 Roggay wrote: I wonder if TLO spoke with poor english just to be very explicit. Boxer doesnt seem that good at english.
I remember Artosis stating in one of his BW videos that Koreans understood this Korean-English better (as a reply to him speaking like that). I assume TLO did it on purpose since in interviews his English is pretty good.
On October 09 2010 18:02 SimpleHarmonicMotion wrote: I find it hilarious how darios english has lowered itself to korean levels after just a few weeks! ;D
On October 10 2010 00:34 rasnj wrote: So much awesome stuff seems to be happening recently that a weekly is not enough. Awesome about Nada. gl to the TL Ps at MLG. GL to TLO at GSL.
BTW full message-log of boxer vs TLO (gg part spoilered to avoid spoiling result): LiquidTLO: gl hf ManofOneway: HIHI ManofOneway: gl ManofOneway: i'm ManofOneway: your fan ^^ LiquidTLO: lol LiquidTLO: ^^ LiquidTLO: same! ManofOneway: !? LiquidTLO: I fan of you too ManofOneway: ur game very fun ^^ LiquidTLO: thanks^^ LiquidTLO: I hope next time LiquidTLO: me better player ManofOneway: yeah + Show Spoiler +
ManofOneway: hhyo LiquidTLO: gg ManofOneway: ggyo
I'm off to watch some TLO vs Nada action!
It's awesome, boxer is officially part of the TLO fanclub.
I wonder if TLO spoke with poor english just to be very explicit. Boxer doesnt seem that good at english.
I think what you both want to say is that TLO deviated from the standard English register and used a different one.
Language varieties and dialects cannot be placed on a scale of good/better/best. Here, TLO has merely adapted his use of English to suit the register being used on bnet. To most people, this happens unconsciously - it's a natural to want to be understood and our brain's language center usually does this adaptation on the fly.
I'm a native speaker of two languages (English being one of them) and I regularly find myself speaking like this online. It happened on ICCUP, it happens on bnet now - there is no conscious thought process that goes into it, it's just a process that takes place to ensure communication continues without a problem. If you've ever traveled to a foreign country and asked for directions or ordered food, you know what I'm talking about.
Bnet English (if you can call it that) is no different to African American Vernacular English or Cockney - it has a use in a setting and is no better or worse than RP (the Queen's English), just different. Having said that, I have no idea how proficient Boxer is in standard varieties of English. Just saying that your uses of the word 'lower' and 'poor' are a little dated.
Actually, Mani and I were gonna try and do some research on ICCUP/Bnet English but it never happened.
Can you guys stop ruining the excitement with ridiculous predictions that are never going to happen anyways? Players like Boxer and Nada are far far out of the league of both ogs and TL, stop dreaming. Boxer doesn't join teams, he makes them.
TLO is just so good, I do adore his play. He's the man. TLO fighting!
I also support Tyler. His phoenix game looks awesome to my eyes. I mean, I really love it. I also love his gameplay, so safe and overwhelming. So yeah, Tyler fighting! too lol.
On October 09 2010 21:57 Nivoh wrote: "HuK: Well generally speaking at the time of those very close events I said and still feel like the NA protoss were a lot better then the EU ones." Didn't HuK get swept in the EU IEM?
huk was 1-2 in his group, like every other protoss at cologne except for sarens who made it out of group at 2-1
The TLO replays were good. I especially liked TLO vs ManofOneway, but the TLO vs Nada matches were ok. I would also like to see replays of TLO losing, as long as they are good games. Thank you Team Liquid for bringing the goods.
Is Boxer more fluent in English than the average Korean progamer? He seems pretty chatty and I thought I heard somewhere here that most Korean progamers are pretty terrible at English.
Oh, and it seems siege tanks are pretty terrible against thors. I like TLOs TvT builds.
Oh man NaDa is going to an absolute monster once he gets more understanding about the different matchups, watching these replays you clearly see his perfect sim city, unit control and just sick macro, but he just didnt know the timings and the unit combos to use properly, atleast in TvT.
Can't wait..
TLO though..I can imagine his ego is getting quite big, hellion + thor play ftw
do none of you guys honestly think its not suspicious that "boxer" que's up 3 marauders in one of the barracks and that it takes him so long to put scvs back on building the barracks?
What does anyone think it was like for TLO to talk to Boxer. Seriously, if boxer himself said he was my fan, I think I would quit producing harvesters, and write an emotional letter of appreciation via in game text.
On October 10 2010 15:39 0mgVitaminE wrote: What does anyone think it was like for TLO to talk to Boxer. Seriously, if boxer himself said he was my fan, I think I would quit producing harvesters, and write an emotional letter of appreciation via in game text.
Yeah seriously, I was just thinking that. I would just stop playing, stare at the screen, and appreciate the epic.
On October 10 2010 15:39 0mgVitaminE wrote: What does anyone think it was like for TLO to talk to Boxer. Seriously, if boxer himself said he was my fan, I think I would quit producing harvesters, and write an emotional letter of appreciation via in game text.
Yeah seriously, I was just thinking that. I would just stop playing, stare at the screen, and appreciate the epic.
I dunno, I would hug him with Thors out of appreciation.
On October 10 2010 20:02 Liquid`Nazgul wrote: Yes you do if you want them to understand you. You have never lived in a country where everyone spoke broken English at most, have you?
Boxer and TL in a mixed drink could potentially fast forward this game by years. The news coming in each week are nothing short of amazing! good job people!
On October 10 2010 19:14 AmiPolizeiFunk wrote: TLO: "hope next time" "me better player"
C'mon man... just cause they speak terrible English, doesn't mean you have to as well. :O
Ive had the same thought occasionally, but its just not true. Nazgul is extremely good at making himself understood with just "broken english", in the beginning I was speaking way too "normally" and it just doesnt work when someone isnt used to hearing english at all. However since arriving here Ive gotta say the oGs guys english has improved at a crazy speed.
Its the same for me when Koreans talk to me - when they speak normally, complete with perfect grammar and high speed, its HARD. I really appreciate when its dumbed down for my benefit to be honest.
If boxer told me he was a fan of mine, I'd know my life has not been in vain :D And jersey FTW! I'd like to see more apparel in general TBH. This weekly delivers! Keep 'em coming!
Man, it's really cool that TeamLiquid has such a presence in Korea. It'll be sweet when Huk arrives and hopefully more than one will make it past RO64 for GSL3.
On October 10 2010 19:14 AmiPolizeiFunk wrote: TLO: "hope next time" "me better player"
C'mon man... just cause they speak terrible English, doesn't mean you have to as well. :O
Ive had the same thought occasionally, but its just not true. Nazgul is extremely good at making himself understood with just "broken english", in the beginning I was speaking way too "normally" and it just doesnt work when someone isnt used to hearing english at all. However since arriving here Ive gotta say the oGs guys english has improved at a crazy speed.
Its the same for me when Koreans talk to me - when they speak normally, complete with perfect grammar and high speed, its HARD. I really appreciate when its dumbed down for my benefit to be honest.
That's probably the best way to learn how to speak english. In college I roomed with a guy who's english wasn't too great but he was willing to learn and his english got SOOOO much better after rooming with us for 3 years.
I hang out with him and his chinese friends sometimes and his english is 10x better when compared to his friends (Chinese exchange students tend to stick with other chinese speaking students rather than hang out with english speaking [chinese] misfits like me).
EPT
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