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On June 21 2010 18:46 dogabutila wrote:
It would be funny if blizz got fed up and just said "fuck SK" and never released SC2 there. And got their rights for BW, and never let anybody use them in SK.
By funny I mean terrible.
In an amusing way.
Did you read the part of the OP where Blizzard has already changed their ToS to comply with the FTC's demands?
I agree, it would be funny, in a terribly corporate-suicidal sort of way, but they have already made the changes asked of them.....
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Thanks heaps for the translation l10f. Interesting read, I was wondering if this sort of thing would happen. Good news to be honest.
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Interesting. Thanks for translating.
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What I'm wondering now is however, do these changes Blizzard made in the TOS only apply in Korea or did Blizzard change the TOS worldwide?
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This is pretty amazing :p. Even if you don't give a shit about Kespa, this represents actual, concrete consumer rights laws. Consumer rights on the internet were brutal.
This has implications beyond Starcraft if it gets passed. It sets precedents.
Steam, EA, those services would ban 500$ worth of games for trivial things. For instance, once I got banned from EAonline for talking about piracy and got my access to Dragon Age Origins and MassEffect 2, single player games not registered to Steam, revoked.
On June 21 2010 18:12 dmfg wrote:
Wow at first I thought this would be a KeSPA like knee-jerk reaction, but reading the changes they are all 100% sensible and in the consumer (our) best interest. And if Blizzard changed to comply with no argument, that means they agree and were just trying to see how much they could get away with at first.
This is great news for everyone.
word. I thought this would be usual Kespa BS but this represents something every single consumer should get behind.
So theirs one more thing that needs to be said.
Does this stuff apply to non Korean users? plzplpzlpzlzplzplzpzlpzlzplz.
Specifically, User Created content with a provided ingame editor can't really be copyrighted by the user if it uses anything created and copyrighted by blizzard. I imagine one might be able to make a case for creation of new units, but simply put, making an obs map or even a new map itself is not really copyrightable by the user.
As far as outside game stuff goes, fan art falls under artistic licence, however if somebody made a comic book and story etc, they would probably need licence from blizz to do so.
The way I understand it, Blizzard still retains ownership of the map, but not specific ideas used to make the map. For instance, if I think of a new unit and put it in the map with custom assets, they do not own that. Later, if I wanted to make a new game based around that unit, they couldn't sue (not that they probably would anyway).
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The original TOS was really 'arrogant' and all KFTC did was bring in some justice. Good job on their part imo.
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KFTC did what was necessary. I agree with all the points 100%. KFTC Fighting!
But those rights absolutely need to apply everywhere now! Not only in Korea! 
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On June 21 2010 18:54 maybenexttime wrote:
Not an option. They sold like half of their SC1 copies in Korea. South Korea is probably expected to stand for at least like 1/3 of total SC2 sales.
source?
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This is actually really awesome. I came in here expecting to read something about the blizzard kespa fight.
Instead, I found a list of 100% sensible corrections and an organization looking out for the rights of consumers. This is really good news for the state of consumers and consumer created content everywhere.
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On June 21 2010 18:57 InfiniteIce wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2010 18:46 dogabutila wrote:
It would be funny if blizz got fed up and just said "fuck SK" and never released SC2 there. And got their rights for BW, and never let anybody use them in SK.
By funny I mean terrible.
In an amusing way. Did you read the part of the OP where Blizzard has already changed their ToS to comply with the FTC's demands? I agree, it would be funny, in a terribly corporate-suicidal sort of way, but they have already made the changes asked of them.....
did you skip over my analysis and only read the rofl post?
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On June 21 2010 19:44 Zamiel wrote:Show nested quote +On June 21 2010 18:54 maybenexttime wrote:
Not an option. They sold like half of their SC1 copies in Korea. South Korea is probably expected to stand for at least like 1/3 of total SC2 sales. source?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/StarCraft#Reception
As for 1/3 of SC2 copies being expected to be sold in Korea, that's my assumption, but I don't think it's too farfetched, do you?
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oh wow. regulator have so much power! at least someone is looking after the rights of the consumers
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Interesting. Agree with post above. And thanks for the translation.
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How does this protect Blizzard's rights to ban users when they're being abusive without giving them $60?
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I think it depends on who breaks the ToS. If Blizzard fails then Blizz needs to pay, if the user breaks ToS, Blizz is fine.
I really do wish that Blizz amends the ToS for the rest of the world. It would be hard for its ToS to hold up in court but taking it through court would be such a hassle. :-\
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Good first step, although I'm surprised 8i) made it through unaltered, since they still claim ownership of chatlogs, character profile information, videos made using the game client, etc. I'm glad that a lot of the other nonsense were shut down though.
But yeah, not much for eSports -- since Blizzard can probably argue any use of the game videos will be for promotion (ie: All Progame league games) and likely get away with using it. They just can't sell the videos to anyone without getting the consent of players who were in those games... but Blizzard wouldn't need to do that :|
This just makes it harder for eSports wouldn't it? Because now Blizzard doesn't just own the right to those game videos, but they need to get "permission" from the players to sell the rights to OGN/MBC and what not, and no way around it because everything will take place over battlenet2.0.
Weird!
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So the Korean Fair Trade Commission told Blizzard to change its ToS and Blizzard did. What does this mean for the e-sport scene or us as customers?
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On June 21 2010 17:40 Diminotoor wrote:
You must be trippin balls right now if you think this is unfair. Company A provides you with a contracted service. Your existing contract is $7000 for their service for the entire decade. After 2 years of service, Company A decides they don't like your face and terminates your contract. According to you, you aren't deserving of a refund even though the agreement was 7k for 10 years and you only got 2 years out of it. Also, you had no say whatsoever in them just dropping you. No matter how you look at it, the original contract is 100% breached and legally is null and void. Compensations must then be issued.
But Battle.net is technically free isn't it? I know we will pay 60$ for the game but receiving a check in the mail whenever the servers are down without notice (won't that happen a lot over the years) seems equally ridiculous.
And if this only applies to termination of service, how long does battle.net have to work to fulfill its obligations?
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@Senx
It means that there is somebody trying to protect your interests. Read the OP if you want to know which of your rights got improved.
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On June 21 2010 19:08 Adron wrote:
What I'm wondering now is however, do these changes Blizzard made in the TOS only apply in Korea or did Blizzard change the TOS worldwide?
Until other countries complain, I'd imagine that their local TOS will remain the same.
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