EPT[T] DA Office's blog post on match fixing scandal - Page 5
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dogabutila
United States1437 Posts
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Jibba
United States22883 Posts
On June 10 2010 12:45 ViruX wrote: Yes because your hunch is a lot more informative than an investigation. It's a South Korean investigation. The games are right there before your eyes. I'm not saying you should believe me, but you should go back and watch his decline. | ||
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Spyfire242
United States715 Posts
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Radiomouse
Netherlands209 Posts
On June 10 2010 11:10 moopie wrote: They've already said this was it. It's possible that he was throwing matches (considering his involvement in brokering already), but they couldn't prove it enough to charge it, just like its almost a certainty that there were more than 11 players involved and more than 12 total matches thrown and that the money earned from all of this was a lot more than the few hundred dollars claimed but as it stands this is what they could prove enough to charge. Personally i think this post is the most logical one in the entire thread. People thinking savior got nothing out of brokering are deluding themselves, no one participates in illegal activities without some incentive to make money. And with saviors salary i doubt that he would do it for a small fee as his entire career was on the line. On top of that, he was a favorite in so many matches for so long it is hard to imagine he wouldn't make his associates some extra money(and himself) by throwing some matches here and there. | ||
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Lhefriel_Medies
United States28 Posts
On June 09 2010 16:17 Milkis wrote:The third method is to pretend to be ignorant of the opponent's strategy. The biggest example was a Zerg versus Protoss match where the Zerg player continued to produce Mutalisks even after realizing his opponent was massing corsairs. After the game, when a coach pointed this out to the player, the player avoided suspicion by claiming that "I thought he would collect corsairs only for a while and transition into a ground army". I know that this was mentioned before with a Shine v. Bisu game, but I read this and was thinking, isn't this exactly what Jaedong did against Stork in the third game of the EVER OSL? Keep making mutalisks even after seeing Stork had a bunch of corsairs and cannons everywhere? I couldn't help but wonder that, if he had lost a game like that in a circumstance outside of the OSL, would people accuse him of fixing the game? I think that the examples that they gave of how progamers fixed their matches makes speculation as to particular games even more ridiculous, because of how subtle they are. Even progamers might accidentally miss a round of production at some point, as can be seen from how dominating Flash is because he doesn't, and I don't think anyone micros battles perfectly. | ||
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Darthturtle
United States718 Posts
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Mykill
Canada3402 Posts
still want hwasin to play though  fuck lux and yarnc they were never good thanks for trans | ||
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tedster
984 Posts
On June 10 2010 17:00 Spyfire242 wrote: I dream of an innocent sAviOr, but he is definitely not in the clear yet... Wow, people are incredibly stupid. He already admitted to participating the match fixing/betting. He is guilty. He almost certainly is guilty of far more than they stuck him with as well, they just didn't have proof. Nobody assists in illegal brokering without getting a cut. Are you people honestly suggesting he suggested match fixing and acted as a transaction conduit/middleman because he was just such a friendly guy and was willing to donate his time and integrity for free to help the charitable cause of fixing games? My god, the ignorance here is ridiculous. You people need to realise just how dumb you sound. | ||
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Hidden_MotiveS
Canada2562 Posts
"In the current system, I would want to prevent them from becoming progamers. It's something I also felt while investigating, but I also think it's not correct for these young individuals to sacrifice a normal education and chances to grow as a person to live as a progamer. You can see this case as a result of progamers who weren't properly educated and didn't know how serious their crimes were. Furthermore, even workaholics rest on weekends like Saturday and Sunday, and on Holidays, so I feel really sorry for these kids who have to practice, play, practice, player, without rest. Another reason is that I don't want my children to have unorganized habits, and I know that most progamers have a nocturnal life style. Finally, from what I know, individuals who were involved in E-Sports the longest were people like commentator Lim Song Choon or player Lim Yo Han, most progamers have a much shorter career, and even if they succeed greatly, their road is limited to being a gamer or a commentator, so if my child really wants to become a progamer, I would think about it, but it's true that I would not want them to become a progamer." I think the most important thing to take from all this is that progaming is not a good career. You don't want to be like these kids, being forced into thinking that they have to cheat in order to live a good lifestyle after next generation of gamers replaces them. Boxer says to follow your dreams in his autobiography, but if your dream is to become a pro gamer, you should realize how bad the situation is. At least have a backup if you want to do something crazy like this. I can't tell you how many kids in China, and Korea, probably all countries with pc bangs, skip school to play games. The reason is simple, they fear coming home and being yelled at for not living up to the expectations of their parents. Then these kids develop an addiction from using games to escape their fears, to not have to think about it for a moment. As the addiction worsens, they do worse in school, and a dangerous cycle develops. Someone needs to make a documentary on this, the lives of millions hangs in the balance, and parents need to change how they raise their children. | ||
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gergut.com
Sweden1 Post
So far we don't know the names of any toss involved? Because they are refeering to a speciifc game aren't they? So, who is it? | ||
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Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
 On June 10 2010 01:28 alffla wrote: wow such a baller DA, he plays sc while preparing for his judicial exams LOL thanks for translating, hope savior will be ok later ? ?? :/ or osmething. probably not. sigh Let's hope Mr Ma was the one who was only reluctantly acting as a broker. He was the one I thought of when that was said. I'd rather that then find he was one of the one's who totally denied everything and was guilty as sin | ||
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Roffles
Pitcairn19291 Posts
On June 11 2010 04:39 gergut.com wrote: "The third method is to pretend to be ignorant of the opponent's strategy. The biggest example was a Zerg versus Protoss match where the Zerg player continued to produce Mutalisks even after realizing his opponent was massing corsairs." So far we don't know the names of any toss involved? Because they are refeering to a speciifc game aren't they? So, who is it? That game you quoted was more than likely Best vs Type-B on Outsider, where Type-B had like at least 6 gas, yet still lost to Best's Sair/Reaver. The worst part about it was that Type-B just screwed around, threw away mutas, then suicided into mass sairs with all his mutas later on. | ||
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rockon1215
United States612 Posts
On June 11 2010 05:09 Roffles wrote: If I recall, Type-B won the previous game and next game in that bo3 and went on to advance farther in that OSL.That game you quoted was more than likely Best vs Type-B on Outsider, where Type-B had like at least 6 gas, yet still lost to Best's Sair/Reaver. The worst part about it was that Type-B just screwed around, threw away mutas, then suicided into mass sairs with all his mutas later on. What's the point of throwing a game if you're still going to win the series? | ||
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Piy
Scotland3152 Posts
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Pleiades
United States472 Posts
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CharlieMurphy
United States22895 Posts
Is that also the game where the zerg actually ends up barely defending with 1 drone left and makes mutas and puts terran at his nat and then just abruptly GGs even thought he could possibly recover. | ||
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DiamondTear
Finland165 Posts
Is the OP trying to suggest that there hasn't been players fixing matches in any sports before or just esports? Because there has been players fixing matches in Finnish baseball for example. | ||
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dogabutila
United States1437 Posts
On June 11 2010 06:43 rockon1215 wrote: If I recall, Type-B won the previous game and next game in that bo3 and went on to advance farther in that OSL. What's the point of throwing a game if you're still going to win the series? They arnt necessarily betting on the series, just the individual games. That or they need him to lose one game to break 3-0 bets. etc. | ||
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Ideas
United States8161 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
On June 11 2010 06:46 Piy wrote: Tbh I still don't really blame any of them for fixing games. It makes perfect sense in their situations, especially given that Savior apparently didn't make any money from it. He's an accessory to the crime. Wow, you guys have so much to learn about laws. Fixing games is just as bad as hacking. You are detracting from the competitive spirit. You cannot just slap them on the wrists and say, "ur bad." You got to make an example and that is what they did. Set an example. If they weren't happy with the lifestyle they could have easily packed their shit and head out the front door. Being a pro gamer isn't for everyone. There's a price to pay in every sport and BW is no exception. I'm surprised there isn't a term that outlines this when they sign onto a team. | ||
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