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On May 31 2010 17:20 nimoraca wrote:
What amazes me the most is how so many people here can side with Blizz on this. Apart from the new comers that know shit about anything else other than SC2, how can a true SCBW fan side with Blizz. Do you actually think that Blizz cares about SCBW anymore. All they want to achieve with this move is to kill SCBW in Korea. "Protect our rights" my ass. Why weren't you protecting your rights three years ago, or ten yeas ago. Now the new Activison/Blizzard and their respective CEO Robert A. Kotick are publishing a new game. The biggest threat to it (apart from it being bad) is the game that REAL Blizzard made, 12 yeas ago. This level of hypocrisy is not something the old Blizz would show. Why don't they just say it out loud, "We want to kill the SCBW in Koera but don't want to make it look that way because of the fans". If they were truly doing this for the eSports and the fans they would let the SCBW scene continue living and possibly outlive SC2 (as happened with their previous strategy game). But obviously that wouldn't earn them any money.
No matter how bad Kespa is (and please don't bring the stupid ppp incident for the 1000th time, KeSPA referees have nothing to do with this discussion) they are the ones that depend on the SCBW living on, not Blizz/Activision.
This, but paragraphed would be better ;P
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I support GOMTV / Blizzard here.... I think GOMTV had much better casts than KESPA! I hope they fix it though. Kespa holds the teams so.... It would suck if they lose all the casting rights!
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I don't why there is so much fanboyism in this and the issue regarding morality. Keep all your biased opinions to yourself. Too much BS talk the truth has been clouded by journalists and execs. Too much politics involved and protesting.
The fact remains GOMTV successfully struck a deal with blizzard. How was this possible?
MONEY$$$$.
Kespa didn't respect overseas law and basically violated the NDA between the two. This issue regarding products /IP does not and has nothing to do with international law. Who is the judge where is divine and absolute justice?
Legal contracts are a very touchy thing my friend, and they rely a lot on trust and integrity. What if one party fouls/violates a term in the contract. Who has the power to punish? No one.
Kespa now has to deal with its own law with GOM-tv(a korean company). Just like others say whose country's law takes precedence? Once again ambiguity.
Trust between GOMtv and Blizzard have been built already(past events).
Kespa can still have a chance with SC2, as long as they negotiate with GOMTV.
End of story.
Who cares about blizzard being greedy, all you guys who said to boycott just like the fans for L4d2 and MW2 (who set up steam boycott groups) still eventually bought the game. Get on with life spend your money be happy something was made.
That's what they say, like any government organisation not for profit. Kespa needs to pay an amount sweet enough no one could afford to reject. if you've worked in TV industry you'll know tv networks make a hell al ot of money. Ratings are extremely important for a tv show to be broadcasted, kespa employees get compensated through the ridiculous amounts of money flowing into esports scene.
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Updated with a few sections from Q & A session.
Apparently KeSPA is a non profit organization. Did not know that. No wonder they're so inefficient ^^;;;
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Wouldn't it be funny if after SC2 was released, GomTV just gave all the broadcasting rights to KeSPA no charge! 
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On May 31 2010 17:59 BaltA wrote:
I support GOMTV / Blizzard here.... I think GOMTV had much better casts than KESPA!
wtf have you been smoking? the only thing gom had on ogn and mbc was english casts (which don't make sense in a korean channel) everything else was shit by comparison.
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How can anyone possibly support either side at this point? They each give conflicting information. We are never going to get a true story of what is going on.
Could Blizzard be in the wrong? Possibly. Could Kespa be in the wrong? Possibly. Are they both acting completely retarded? Yes.
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If you really side with Blizz on this than you either:
1) believe that Blizz/GOM will try hard to make SCBW continue living in Korea or
2) you want SCBW to die because you also see it as a threat to your beloved SC2 shit.
If you are 1) then you are delusional, go see a doctor. If you are 2) than you are threatened by the SCBW for a reason .
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Oh man, what a sea of hatred of Blizzard and sudden surge of dare I say it, love for KeSPA.
I feel like I've slipped into some sort of bizzaro tl.net. Seriously.
KeSPA is throwing a fit, it's trying everything it can to hold onto something that wasn't for them to control in the first place. Of course they are going to do every thing they can to make it sound like they are just trying to care for the fans and it's all for them. Yeah sure it is, and when the fans where screaming to stop screwing over players in the free agency disaster they did the right thing. Only after realizing they would loose a star(money making) player if they didn't pull some last minute deal.
KeSPA cares about the money, they don't give a damn about the fans they've kinda proven this time and time again.
I trust Blizzard more then I trust them, mostly because hey, for all the bashing people do. They haven't made a terrible game yet.
In the end, KeSPA will have to sit down to negotiate with Gom and it'll work out. What choice do they have? It's my understanding(I could very well be wrong) that the Gom owners also own OGN and it's unlikely that they are going to do something crazy like not negotiate with themselves.
Brood War will be safe so long as the fans support it and from the looks of it, that's unlikely to go away soon.
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Kespa is a non-profit organization.
Blizz is a money-monger.
That's enough for me, Kespa will win.
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I dislike both KeSPA and Blizzard so I just hope for the best. I hope that neither gets what he wants and that should be best for fans.
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For me the hate towards Kespa has always been like the hate towards jews. Everybody hates them, but doesnt know exactly why.
As Kespa said in their statement esports is already a sub-culture in S. Korea and like it or not it has developed thanks to the efforts of Kespa. What scares me the most is the fact that GOM will try to promote SC2 on the place of SC1 (I`m really curious to see the details in the contract between blizz and Gom, I`m sure that there is a clauses stating that SC2 should be the most broadcasted game). And its pretty obvious to me that SC2 doesnt have the esport potential that SC1 has. Its even worse than WC3 imo. (this doesnt mean that SC2 is not good, its just not that competitive).
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On May 31 2010 18:50 mdb wrote:
For me the hate towards Kespa has always been like the hate towards jews. Everybody hates them, but doesnt know exactly why.
I hate Blizzard and I know why 
I don't hate KeSPA but I don't like them, either.
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I like how Kespa acts like they have the rights to sell the broadcasting rights to Blizzard's game.
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guys, for all you slow minded ppl i will try to explain what this is all about, how blizzard doesn't care about esport, fans teams or anything
1.Why should we buy 3 games in order to play sc2 ?, they say if you buy them u can play online , but i think after 1 year this will change and we will have to pay monthly like mmorpg's
2.There will be no lan , cause simply that doesn't make money for them , playing at home with your frends with no lag , ofcourse on all servers trust me there will be masive lag
3.This all new fight about rights it's simply to destroy kespa and sc1, thow kespa and the teams and fans made sc1 so popular NOT BLIZZARD, and made sc1 sales go crazy
4.if anybody fallowed gomtv classic competition knows at first it was all fine , then when blizzard participate they where asking for money for every vod, hd broadcast ,they even made the normal stream quality down so we pay , and after one year of blizzard participation the competition was canceled, this is what blizzard is bringing us
5.if kespa and teams will be destroyed , u whont have ever another competition like osl and msl , with large stages , 20K+ fans and so on , look how crappy , is blizzcon every year , that 's what blizzard is only capable off
6.in negotiation with kespa , u have to be really stupid,if you say that you whant to own every game and team "" this demands where simply put cause blizzard knows no one will accept them , so imposible negociation
p.s as you see we whont have any sc with sc2 , no good games, so for this reason's i whont buy any blizzard products anymore , and gg blizzard for destroying 10 years of hard effort from korean scene to make a fenomenon of esport
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Doesn't anyone else think the answer is really simple? acti-FUCKING-vision.
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On May 31 2010 18:55 randombum wrote:
I like how Kespa acts like they have the rights to sell the broadcasting rights to Blizzard's game.
So, what exactly is your problem with that?
I dont understand why so many people react like they`ve been fucked in the ass for all this selling of rights. If Kespa didnt negotiated with GOM, would there been GOM 1,2 and 3? Maybe, but the players would have been some unknown amateurs.
So, in the end what we got from all this terrible "selling of rights behind blizzard`s back" - 3 nice tournaments with some sick games and english commentaries.
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About time Blizzard laid the smack down on those idiots.
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On May 31 2010 18:55 randombum wrote:
I like how Kespa acts like they have the rights to sell the broadcasting rights to Blizzard's game.
kespa didnt sell broadcasting rights to blizz's games. they sold the broadcasting rights on the video which records a game that was organized by kespa.
if any other body organize their game on their own and broadcast it, it doesnt violate the kespa "broadcast rights".
when you watched a baseball match, does MLB owns the video stream rights (which was sold to ESPN and others) or does the company that make the baseball equipment owns it?
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mdb dude , gom classic 1,2 where whithout any blizzard implication , when blizzard got implicated we had to pay for everything, and then the competition was stoped , so don't talk crap , ofcourse english commentary was good but , it wasn't blizzard who hired them , it was gom, so don't talk crap
p.s i don't know why u guys hate kespa, it's like hating the law and the police (still we hate those to sometime ) , but kespa made some rules , and it's only applying them this is what made sc scene possible as it is today , and this is why in other countryes it is still the disorder as it always was regarding sc i mean, with ppl cursing when they are playing and using hacks
good example dybydx, we can extrapolate this it's the ball from soccer and the field owner , would ask for everithin in soccer ( and not fifa), or the same thing in american football and so on
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