EPTCome on, that's ridiculous.
How could that happen.
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Trozz
Canada3454 Posts
Come on, that's ridiculous. How could that happen. | ||
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Kare
Norway786 Posts
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pyrogenetix
China5094 Posts
no matter how you turn it, jaedong had that game 99%. flash had no tanks, no vessels, two soon to be dry bases and only 1 viable base. jaedong can rebuild very quickly and ultraswarm flash's single source of income while jd was on 3/4 bases. yes of course there's the possibility that flash could play really fucking good and jd could make epic mistakes, but that probability is not justifiable of a regame at all. but the best scenario of course is that MBC FIXED THIS GOD DAMN PROBLEM TO BEGIN WITH... how unprofessional was this? | ||
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FranzF1
Chile1710 Posts
marines alone sucks against a zerg with defilers and ultras + zerlings + 5 hatch... and Flash got like 3 vessels at most. Jd won that game but its sad cus People will remember this final for that stupid thing and not like the final when JD showed that he is the best SC player ever. | ||
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goldenkrnboi
United States3104 Posts
On January 24 2010 10:00 Kare wrote: Giving Jaedong the game was wrong, it should have been re game because to me it looked like flash hard a pretty big army at the end and his science vessels were killing defiler comming out of the nydus at 7 o clock, I think he could have taken that base and maybe won. It is hard to say so bad decision in my opinion. hello person who didn't watch the game at all. | ||
KwarK
United States42522 Posts
On January 24 2010 10:00 Kare wrote: Giving Jaedong the game was wrong, it should have been re game because to me it looked like flash hard a pretty big army at the end and his science vessels were killing defiler comming out of the nydus at 7 o clock, I think he could have taken that base and maybe won. It is hard to say so bad decision in my opinion. Watch the minimap in the last 3 seconds. Flash's army turns around from 7 and heads back home. Flash doesn't think you're right. Flash thinks JD holds bottom left with swarm. | ||
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moopie
12605 Posts
On January 24 2010 10:12 KwarK wrote: Watch the minimap in the last 3 seconds. Flash's army turns around from 7 and heads back home. Flash doesn't think you're right. Flash thinks JD holds bottom left with swarm. Technically, since flash was still producing and had new units coming to the rally point, its possible he was only withrdawing the leftovers from 7 to regroup in a new ball. Like Chill, I also think JD had an advantage, but unclear how much of one. Anyway, I think I'm done with these finals for now, all these discussions aren't really getting anybody anywhere. Hopefully there will be an official post-game interview from Flash with his opinion/clarification one way or the other. | ||
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Tien
Russian Federation4447 Posts
I did a troop count via minimap. At the time of black out, Flash had 10 marines + 9 medics near his 9 expo, clearly NOT ENOUGH to break 3 sunks / 3 ultras / 6 lings / 2 defilers of energy / 6 scourges. Flash had 2 rounds of marines (max 20) at his natural. It would take Flash another 30 seconds to re assemble for another push into 7 because at the time of blackout those 20 marines were still stationed at his natural. By that time, Jaedong's army would have nearly doubled! And with an economy 3x the size of Flash, Flash would have had to win in the next minute. An impossible task given the troop / economy counts. Plus Jaedong only needing to continue reinforcing / casting swarms all over the 7 expo and let his superior economy ride him to victory. | ||
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saturns2k
United States19 Posts
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Mightus
United States16 Posts
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QQplay
United States229 Posts
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Faronel
United States658 Posts
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7mk
Germany10157 Posts
Just like Kwanro vs Flash semis I guess lurkers dont work vs flash ^^ | ||
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Louder
United States2276 Posts
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.risingdragoon
United States3021 Posts
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_awake_
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rotinegg
United States1719 Posts
On January 24 2010 11:05 7mk wrote: Just like Kwanro vs Flash semis I guess lurkers dont work vs flash ^^ jaedongs entire build on odd eye revolved around the lack of lurkers usually when zerg decides to go the normal path of getting to hive tech ultra/ling and defilers, lurkers are thrown in during mid game because lings alone cannot hold off the T/P push but in this game he does a risky no lurker (i dont even think he threw down a den) build that techs up to ultras as fast as possible on 3 gas. Ultras are not supportable on 3gas but with lack of lurkers, he has left over gas to pump ultras for a while before he gets to 4gas+. It also helped that he threw down dual evos early game so that ultras would pop out with good upgrades. a very risky yet well conceived build order optimized to the map (odd eye - any opponent would have guessed jaedong to go for the 7 o'clock expansion for the 4 gas but he instead went for the relatively poor 1o'clock expansion, buying enough time) and the player (any other zerg user without 400+ apm would not be able to pull off such a micro-intensive build that relies solely on non-adrenaline lings to hold off moderate sized pushes from the opponent before ultras are out) edit: oops didnt see that you had said the whole series... lol | ||
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Black Gun
Germany4482 Posts
a decision had to be made, and there was no way to not hurt one of the players. choosing to deny flashs minor chance to still win this and hand out the game to jaedong technically speaking was the correct decision in terms of the situation ingame before the outage. but no matter what would have been the technically correct decision, it was guaranteed to hurt the player against whom it was called. therefore there was absolutely no way to not have the power outage and the deciding of the game by kespa refs massively affect the player on the losing end of the decision made. yes, probably flash knew the game itself was 99% lost and i dont think he was particularly bitter or disappointed by the decision itfself, but what was happening around him, the circumstances and all, this stuff really crushed his mental state. and it would have been the same for jaedong if the game had been replayed. therefore my conclusion is that because of the inevitable psychological effects of the situation, the only solution would have been to cancel the finals and finish the series with a bo3 one week later, with jaedong choosing the first map from a pool of current and reasonable maps. this way both players would have had enough time to settle down and reestablish their composure. jaedong choosing the map for the replayed game 3 would give him back some of the advantage he had established but was robbed off from in this scenario. ofc this was no option for mbc/kespa for business reasons. | ||
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H[e]nZ[e]L
Bulgaria4 Posts
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everstarleague
China89 Posts
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