I didn't want to release names because a) I wasn't certain at that point who was dirty, just that I had caught at least two mafia in a lying game and had leads on shikyo thanks to Lucas, b) I wanted to maximize the chances of mafia killing each other (like zato-1) which won't ever happen if they get posted as a suspect. Basically I had caught RoL and Chezinu both lying and/or dodging and there was substantial dirt on Scamp. In the end I have no idea what the hell Chezinu was doing. I don't normally like pm'ing to the degree I did in this game but the format simply favors it so much, as pm'ing has been the only way mafia have been found so far (lack of initiative in the thread kinda hurts too).

My "power play" was actually another idea but in the end it would take too much time and so I just did a mass roleclaim experiment on flimsy evidence (yeah everything I said was true but nobody had any idea of knowing it). Best case scenario, I'd be able to coordinate the vigis/demomen to kill a bunch without any time to react and waste a bunch of mafia actions on me. Worst case scenario, people would suspect me, oh boy. In the end I probably got about half the roles, Of course nobody had any real reason to trust me but I got roles from people that I had already guessed correctly, had already trusted me, or didn't really think it'd make much of a difference. I had guessed that I'd end up with more roles than I actually did, so the town was rightly (or stupidly, as the next part shows) cautious. After motbob was a confirmed medic, shame on the remaining blues for not roleclaiming then.

As for hits tonight, it looks like mafia either used several rolechecks or double stacked several people (they certainly did on motbob we had another medic on him). The Plexa/DT ruse looks like it may have worked as well. Mafia only ended up with 3 hits or something out of probably 7-9 people alive, so things turned out quite well.

Btw guys I wouldn't put much stock in Caller saying it's not over etc. In his last game he kept warning the mafia about that there might be a lot of meth dealers and that it wasn't over when it was 16 greens vs 8 mafia lol. There are probably 4-6 mafia left, the key thing is that innocents start posting so that we can narrow down remaining suspects.

Caller

Poland8075 Posts

August 06 2009 20:08 GMT

#1109

On August 07 2009 04:39 3 Lions wrote:
happy birthday caller

ty
immunity from lynch for today
XD
jk

Ace

United States16096 Posts

August 06 2009 21:03 GMT

#1110

On August 07 2009 00:52 Shikyo wrote:
Seems like I'm getting vigi'd tonight? I guess I'll take this time to say that I don't like this format at all. Even with like 10 modkills, it still feels unbelievably imbalanced, even impossible for rebels.

actually he's right. Rebels were screwed from the beginning, almost impossible to win v_v

Shikyo

Finland33997 Posts

August 06 2009 21:06 GMT

#1111

On August 07 2009 06:03 Ace wrote:

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actually he's right. Rebels were screwed from the beginning, almost impossible to win v_v

<3 ace agreeing with me <3 <3

Ace

United States16096 Posts

August 06 2009 21:08 GMT

#1112

also I didn't kill Chezinu as I was sure he was innocent v_v

<3 Brown

Ace

United States16096 Posts

August 06 2009 21:11 GMT

#1113

As soon as I looked at the ruleset I prayed I wasn't a Rebel. It was just one of those "damn, I'd have to play so ridiculously sneaky to win" kinda feelings. Even worse people are still playing the PM game and getting caught because of it. When will you guys ever learn NO ONE ever knows your role? They just guess and keep asking questions till you rat on yourself. Just ignore them and be like stfu. They can't do anything about it.

Fishball

Canada4788 Posts

August 06 2009 22:38 GMT

#1114

I also agree that mafia is at disadvantage in this game.
As much as I encourage people to talk over the rules before implementing them into a game, I tend not to stick my nose into the middle.
A lesson that I learned is that the host (nobody specific) rarely, and most of the time, unwillingly to make any changes to the rules after they are setup.

Ver

United States2186 Posts

August 06 2009 22:43 GMT

#1115

Yeah I agree rebels have an inherent disadvantage in this format. Simply too hard to figure out the baiting townies from the mafia (i,e I woulda done my pm regardless of what role I was), and you have to waste a lot of rolechecks while still worry about DTs. The only way to balance it is simply to have a lot of mafia (given town has very low KP), and that's quite possible still.

On August 07 2009 07:38 Fishball wrote:
I also agree that mafia is at disadvantage in this game.
As much as I encourage people to talk over the rules before implementing them into a game, I tend not to stick my nose into the middle.
A lesson that I learned is that the host (nobody specific) rarely, and most of the time, unwillingly to make any changes to the rules after they are setup.

I 100% agree with this too in general. All games really need to get looked at by the group as a whole because it's just so incredibly hard to balance a new game design on your own.