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Foolishness
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motbob
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On July 10 2009 06:36 BloodyC0bbler wrote: + Show Spoiler + Pm's from foolishness and Lucas will be below in spoilers each. These pms are from a conversation the two of them had with eachother. Carefully read each, and you will see the discrepencies. Foolishness + Show Spoiler + Okay I'll list out the PM convo (it's relatively short don't worry) and I'll throw in some stuff at the end. So he PMed me first with this: LucasWoJ: Out of curiosity, who do you think is mafia? I assume you're a green townie since you're doing exactly what I wanted to. There's nothing to do and people are absolutely retarded screaming various things that are utterly unimportant. Foolishness: I had originally thought ydg was mafia, hence my vote, but I don't think this is the case. I believe TruthBringer to also be mafia. I have high suspicions against ecomania as well. As of right now I think that's all I can really say, since there's not a whole lot to go by. If possible, I would like to shift the majority of the vote to TruthBringer and see what happens. I certainly don't have any means to though. And do not forget that me playing according to your plan in the thread also meant you playing according to mine as well. I was constantly refreshing my inbox waiting for your message. LucasWoJ: Nope. You weren't. If anything, you've convinced yourself you have. Simple psychology. I'm certain of at least two blues (I won't mention them for obvious reasons -- in case you're converted), but I cannot figure out Bockit. Opinions on him? I was mafia with him three games ago, and his posting behavior was eeringly similar. Foolishness: I do believe that acting like BC or L is not in your favor, but you are free to believe what you want. That also goes for conversion. Do you really think I'm going to get converted of all people? Nobody talks to me and with much "smarter" people such as yourself and soon to be MBH, am I really going to be wasted on? If his posting was eeringly similar, that must mean he didn't post at all. He's hardly said more than a sentence at a time. Not much to go off of, although there has been some talk about him. LucasWoJ: The lack of posting is strikingly similar as is WHAT he has actually said. Writing like BC or L is entirely to my advantage in PMs.(although it's really neither. It's not just me saying "This is how things work" and expecting the universe to line up that way). Foolishness: After looking through the thread again, I can't say I've noticed anything particular about Bockit. You obviously have the good information since you can compare him to past games, and I have no experience with that. As I said before, it might be worth mentioning in the thread. Or if you don't want to come about it you could try PMing L and BC about it? They'll be sure to listen and consider. As far as that goes, if you do initiate something I'll surely help by voting for Bockit, but that'd be all I could do After he sent me the first message, I responded truthfully since lying wouldn't have done any good at this point. Notice how after he finds out what I think he dodges all the information, as well as not saying any of his opinions (except about Bockit). I know that there is no conversion, but at this point I suspected him so I wanted to play along and make him think I'm just a stupid green townie. However he continues to ignore the most important points, and just wants my opinion on Bockit. In one of the past mafia games (you might have been in it I don't know), LucasWoJ was on mafia side, and his job for the team was to consistently PM people and try to figure out possible blues for the mafia to snipe. Knowing this information is why I acted stupid and cocky, so I wouldn't get killed. It seems to me that he's doing the exact same job this game. It fits in because he simply wants what I think about various matters while not saying anything back. A non mafia member would be more likely to share their opinion on matters, especially if they thought I was clean. He has yet to respond to the last thing I sent him, and it's been about 20 hours since then. And as a side note, don't take anything I say against you (whether in PM or thread) presonally, I'm just doing it to keep up appearances. You're survival and leadership is necessary for the town to win. To summarize: LucasWoJ is seemingly trying to find out whether I'm blue or not (the fact that he PMed me first also fits in here), and consistently ignored important points throughout our conversation. He's playing exactly like he did in a previous game where he was mafia. Regarding Bockit, it's hard to determine whether Bockit is mafia or not based on this. My guess would be that Bockit is innocent (assuming LucasWoJ is mafia). However they could both be mafia, and LucasWoJ wanted to see if I suspected a fellow member (because I might be worth killing if I did, or something). That's about it, sorry for the dreaded long PM. Lucaswoj + Show Spoiler + We haven't talked via PM in three days, and we only exchanged a few before then. I thought he was a green townie at the very beginning, but now I'm ambivalent toward what his role is. Here are the PMs: From: Foolishness [ Profile | Buddy ] Subject: Re: mafia Date: 7/7/09 09:18 I had originally thought ydg was mafia, hence my vote, but I don't think this is the case. I believe TruthBringer to also be mafia. I have high suspicions against ecomania as well. As of right now I think that's all I can really say, since there's not a whole lot to go by. If possible, I would like to shift the majority of the vote to TruthBringer and see what happens. I certainly don't have any means to though. And do not forget that me playing according to your plan in the thread also meant you playing according to mine as well. I was constantly refreshing my inbox waiting for your message. ----------------------------------------- Original Message (Lucas)WoJ( ): Out of curiosity, who do you think is mafia? I assume you're a green townie since you're doing exactly what I wanted to. There's nothing to do and people are absolutely retarded screaming various things that are utterly unimportant. I'm trying to induce a certain reaction here, but he goes overboard: From: Foolishness [ Profile | Buddy ] Subject: Re: mafia Date: 7/7/09 09:35 I do believe that acting like BC or L is not in your favor, but you are free to believe what you want. That also goes for conversion. Do you really think I'm going to get converted of all people? Nobody talks to me and with much "smarter" people such as yourself and soon to be MBH, am I really going to be wasted on? If his posting was eeringly similar, that must mean he didn't post at all. He's hardly said more than a sentence at a time. Not much to go off of, although there has been some talk about him. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Nope. You weren't. If anything, you've convinced yourself you have. Simple psychology. I'm certain of at least two blues (I won't mention them for obvious reasons -- in case you're converted), but I cannot figure out Bockit. Opinions on him? I was mafia with him three games ago, and his posting behavior was eeringly similar. From: Foolishness [ Profile | Buddy ] Subject: Re: mafia Date: 7/7/09 09:54 haha fair enough Well, if you are suspicious about Bockit, why not come out about it? You have the information you need, and there is already town discussion about his possible mafia role. I'm sure one of L or BC will back you up which means you will have another few people who will follow for sure. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: The lack of posting is strikingly similar as is WHAT he has actually said. Writing like BC or L is entirely to my advantage in PMs.(although it's really neither. It's not just me saying "This is how things work" and expecting the universe to line up that way). ----------------------------------------- This one was really weird as I did not respond to the other ones. Nor did I really push for Bockit being part of mafia too hard. From: Foolishness [ Profile | Buddy ] Subject: Bockit Date: 7/7/09 10:08 After looking through the thread again, I can't say I've noticed anything particular about Bockit. You obviously have the good information since you can compare him to past games, and I have no experience with that. As I said before, it might be worth mentioning in the thread. Or if you don't want to come about it you could try PMing L and BC about it? They'll be sure to listen and consider. As far as that goes, if you do initiate something I'll surely help by voting for Bockit, but that'd be all I could do General idea: bored townie. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Ok, so I know you and foolishness have been going back and forth for god knows how long. And I need to know your general idea of him? ----------------------------------------- Original Message: Are we to continue voting for fog? Honestly, I read about 1/5 of the posts so I'm not sure whether something's been posted as to how we're supposed to vote. The difference comes down to foolishness excluding one single message from that dialogue from me being this one + Show Spoiler + From: Foolishness [ Profile | Buddy ] Subject: Re: mafia Date: 7/7/09 09:54 haha fair enough Well, if you are suspicious about Bockit, why not come out about it? You have the information you need, and there is already town discussion about his possible mafia role. I'm sure one of L or BC will back you up which means you will have another few people who will follow for sure. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: The lack of posting is strikingly similar as is WHAT he has actually said. Writing like BC or L is entirely to my advantage in PMs.(although it's really neither. It's not just me saying "This is how things work" and expecting the universe to line up that way). ----------------------------------------- + Show Spoiler + From: Foolishness [ Profile | Buddy ] Subject: double lynch Date: 7/7/09 08:40 uhhh, just to clarify, the reason I wanted to double lynch was because if ydg turns up innocent you're going to be in a world of hurt, especially after L just called you out on random stuff that means nothing. You and I both know the last thing we want is L to become town leader (prior and after to MBH being alive). If we double lynch, kill Truthbringer and ydg, we'll probably get one mafia and that should distract from any violence between you and L. Just my thought process, it's ultimately up to you of course. This is noteworthy because of him not wanting L to become town leader, In fact in the thread he had been opposition to L (he does mentioning he suspects truthbringer as well). and L had foolishness as a suspect as a potential mafia based on voting habits. He also asks me to stop trying to get pyrr killed + Show Spoiler + From: Foolishness [ Profile | Buddy ] Subject: Pyrry Date: 7/10/09 04:58 It is very apparent to me that Pyrry is innocent (whether blue or not I don't know). It's also clear that you are innocent to me as well. It's important that we form a coalition for the benefit of the town, especially since there is no current town plan with MBH dead. I have the necessary information to lead us to the mafia. If you read my most recent post in the thread (since I'm sure you ignored it) you will realize that there are strange things happening with the votes. The people I mentioned are not the only ones that are suspicious. I want to get ecomania lynched today as I think he is the best option for the town (I realize there is a double lynch so we've got other options as well). I want you to call off your accusations against Pyrry. I know you don't want to, but chances are the mafia are sitting back, hiding, and laughing right now. At the very least, by looking at the voting patterns, I'm sure you can agree that we have much better suspects to go after (even if Pyrry is mafia). Risking our lynch on Pyrry spells disaster if he is innocent. It's important that we collaborate on ideas to get another mafia lynched. And above all us, voting patterns show more than clue analysis right now. It's important we don't get carried away with clue analysis (both you and Pyrry are guilty of this). I hope you will at least consider the things I've said as you can easily turn this game around. And lastly Caller and So no fek were returning from their night class on nautical warfare, but knowing there were Mafia about they decided to take the back route to their home. While walking through the last and only park on their journey home they heard a strange but faint laughter. A twig behind them snapped. They panicked- Caller turned and ran as fast as he could, while So no fek was petrified and could not move. The Mafioso stepped forward and ensured that So no fek would no longer be able to move. As he was running, Caller heard the laughter again, but more clearer. He looked up into the trees and a curiously clothed man glided down from the tree, but stumbled on the landing and fell over. To Callers’s surprise he burst out laughing. Not willing to take a chance, Caller backed away but his leg got caught in a trap and was hoisted into the air helpless. The Mafioso stood up walked over to Caller and tied his hands up with a bomb. Standing just outside of the blastzone, the Mafioso and Caller stared into each other’s eyes as Caller’s death was literally counting down. The blast destroyed Caller. Alot of these characteristics come off making it seem the mafia looks foolish, then with the trap/bomb making caller look foolish. From all the stuff between foolishness and lucas, 1 of the 2 is red. But due to the PM discrepency of the original pm's of lucas and foolishness, Lucas appears more green atm than he did. So wait, the point of this is that you think Foolishness is mafia now? | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
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Foolishness
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motbob
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On July 10 2009 06:46 BloodyC0bbler wrote: Not really point at either one of you, But excluding the one pm makes you look worse off in that regard. If you're not trying to "point" at anybody, why did you make that huge post with clue analysis at the end? So weird | ||
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Foolishness
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On July 10 2009 06:50 StorrZerg wrote: i feel sad no one bothers to pm me I'm actually quite jealous of you, considering the idiots in this game that I have to try to work with. | ||
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BloodyC0bbler
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I've never seen foolish play before, and Lucas is playing differently than when hes normally red, so either both could be town wanting the other dead, both red pointing fingers, or one red, one town. | ||
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Foolishness
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On July 10 2009 06:49 motbob wrote: If you're not trying to "point" at anybody, why did you make that huge post with clue analysis at the end? So weird I'm trying to figure out the same thing. The easiest answer is that he's an idiot. | ||
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StorrZerg
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On July 10 2009 06:52 Foolishness wrote: I'm actually quite jealous of you, considering the idiots in this game that I have to try to work with. you could pm me  | ||
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Foolishness
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On July 10 2009 06:53 BloodyC0bbler wrote: eh, when you have someone telling you not to let L become town leader, when his analysis gave us a red. then reread an L post where he has that person bolded, and reread the new day post and see something that weak links combined with the fact he didnt give all of information makes him look slightly fishy. ie its not a guarenteed 100% on lucas atm. I've never seen foolish play before, and Lucas is playing differently than when hes normally red, so either both could be town wanting the other dead, both red pointing fingers, or one red, one town. Do you not understand that L's a complete moron? The whole point of me backing you up is because you are far more competent that he is. So he found a mafia big deal, anyone can find mafia. The point is is that he's an idiot and you're only slightly stupid. | ||
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Foolishness
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On July 10 2009 06:59 StorrZerg wrote: Slightly Stupid > idiot i see the logic in that The lack of intelligence in this game makes me angry. Hard to make good metaphors when you're typing out of rage. | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
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rredtooth
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On July 10 2009 07:32 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: seriously... seriously? how many people have you accused of being mafia? drop the suspicions on me already. nobody believes you because everybody sees how fucking illogical you are. i honestly believe you are a trolling mafia trying to rile shit up. no sense of logic or whatsoever.I think I have redtooth caught and a bunch of shit happens and I lose focus and that seems to be happening to everyone. On July 10 2009 07:32 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: so wait. if BC sacrifices foolishness to re-establish cred it is iffy. but if i get truth killed i'm a mafia? man you are just so good at behavior analysis its amazing. and don't get me started on your clue analysis - it's S classThat's a really good clue that BC has bolded but I continue to be suspicious of some of his actions this game, and I don't think BC can be an innocent while Foolishness is guilty. Saccing to re-establish cred? btw i just want to quote a PM from Pyrr after i offered him my bet again: I don't have any end to a bargain that I haven't agreed to. You're just making me more and more suspicious now by trying to intimidate me from going after you rather than using, you know, logic and persuasion. do you not see my other posts using, you know, logic and persuasion? and well if i make you more suspicious then TAKE THE FUCKING BET MORON. but wait. you're not even voting for me in the voting thread. you're not even voting BC or foolishness. you're voting for freaking lucawoj. how stupid can you get?here are the two scenarios that we are presented with: - you're an idiot townie who think's he's good but is simply a retard - you're a trolling mafia who just wants to go around starting fights and getting stuff off topic and burying good posts with your useless spam regardless, i'm going to toil through sweat, blood, and tears to get you lync e: spaced things out so its easier on the eye | ||
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Pyrrhuloxia
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On July 10 2009 07:53 redtooth wrote: seriously... seriously? how many people have you accused of being mafia? drop the suspicions on me already. nobody believes you because everybody sees how fucking illogical you are. i honestly believe you are a trolling mafia trying to rile shit up. no sense of logic or whatsoever. so wait. if BC sacrifices foolishness to re-establish cred it is iffy. but if i get truth killed i'm a mafia? btw i just want to quote a PM from Pyrr after i offered him my bet again:do you not see my other posts using, you know, logic and persuasion? and well if i make you more suspicious then TAKE THE FUCKING BET MORON. but wait. you're not even voting for me in the voting thread? how stupid can you get? here are the two scenarios that we are presented with: - you're an idiot townie who think's he's good but is simply a retard - you're a trolling mafia who just wants to go around starting fights and getting stuff off topic and burying good posts with your useless spam regardless, i'm going to toil through sweat, blood, and tears to get you lynched then maybe this game would get a little bit more enjoyable Dude, you didn't kill TB, tb was already gonna die when you changed. | ||
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Foolishness
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On July 10 2009 07:32 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: FYI Foolishness has been trying to get me to back off of BC. This leads me to believe either BC and Foolishness are both Mafia, neither are mafia, or BC alone is mafia. I can't see why Foolishness would try to break up a fight between BC and I if he was mafia and BC wasn't. I do think I remember L being suspicious of Foolishness at one point. That's a really good clue that BC has bolded but I continue to be suspicious of some of his actions this game, and I don't think BC can be an innocent while Foolishness is guilty. Saccing to re-establish cred? I dunno, I'm somewhat baffled this game to be honest. I think I have redtooth caught and a bunch of shit happens and I lose focus and that seems to be happening to everyone. Alright I'm going to spell this out for you slowly. I hope you'll understand. Both Pyrry and BC have claimed I have sent them messages telling them to stop accusing the other person. This is very true. Let's try to outline the cases: 1) I am mafia, and one of BC/Pyrry is mafia. This doesn't make much sense, as I'd only send the message to one of them and not both. I would be trying to help get the other person lynched. 2) I am mafia, none of BC/Pyrry are mafia. This makes no sense as I would enjoy laughing on the sidelines watching two innocents kill each other. 3) I am innocent and both BC/Pyrry are innocent. AHA! NOW IT ALL MAKES SENSE! If I am innocent, and I think both BC and Pyrry are innocent then it's obvious that there is nothing to be gained from BC and Pyrry trying to kill each other. It makes sense that I would try to break it up (and then work with them) in order to try to kill potential mafia. The way I see it, two innocents are trying to get each other killed, this is obviously bad. I have left out a few cases but those are trivial (at least I hope they are). Let's examine what the mafia is doing. I looked up at the town list just recently, and counted the number of people that had not posted at all or had made a small amount of posts. I counted eleven people (obviously, this number is somewhat subjective). Where do you think the mafia are people? Do you think they are in the group of me, redtooth, Lucas, BC, Pyrry, arguing incessently among themselves? Or, are they sitting back in the group of eleven people doing nothing and watching things happen? Should be an obvious answer. THE MAFIA ARE SITTING BACK DOING NOTHING. It's pretty clear that probably none of the mafia members have posted recently. What need is there to post when five of the townspeople are trying to kill each other? This is why I tried to break up the BC/Pyrry fight. It's in no way helping the town. In fact, it's helping the mafia. At this point, let me say something about ecomania. I believe that ecomania is a mafia, as well as a safe lynch today. (Yes I know we got two lynches to work with). As I stated in my previous post, which I'm sure none of you read, ecomania is a contributer to the mass ydg voting that almost got ydg killed over TruthBringer. This was an obvious attempt by the mafia to save TruthBringer, as they were able to tie the vote at one point, and almost succeed in killing ydg. On July 08 2009 00:38 ecomania wrote: I don't get it why there are 3 guys randomly voting to lynch me. Both L's and BC's analysis seemed pretty solid to me, so I chose to abstain first. But now that ydg is voting for me I'm just going with him ;P Or was time for voting already up? I'm getting confused with the time zones... This was an obvious cover up. He didn't want to just change votes without saying anything as that would make him look more suspicious. ecomania has also done a marvelous job of contributing without posting anything useful or helpful to the town. Consider: On July 05 2009 23:08 ecomania wrote: A clue about the priest will be revealed on the first night tho. So if the mafia find out who the priest is, they can pick him off before he has finished reviving MBH and MBH will be silenced even longer. I guess one of the angels should protect the priest, so the revival process won't fail. On July 05 2009 21:57 ecomania wrote: I'm sorry, that I seem so inactive to you, BC. In fact, I tried to contribute something to the thread, but I failed to find any good clues in the day post, nor have I found any leads while googling for the players names/phrases from the day post. I thought it would be kind of unnecessary to just post stuff like "Ye, fog seems pretty good, reduce KP and find out how many pledges there are n stuff". So I just kept reading the thread and submitted my weather/emperor votes. As for why I voted L for emperor, I'm being honest with you that I don't know your playing styles from previous games, but you guys seemed both equally competent. It was actually nothing but this phrase of yours "I am already seeing idiocy of players that has led to many vets getting insanely discouraged with playing these games." that sounded pretty arrogant to me and made me vote for L. I guess I should've just abstained from voting and let people with more experience do the voting. Well, from now on I'll try harder to participate in the clue analysis and bring forth our hunt on the mafia.  The second of these came after BC put ecomania on his suspicious list. As we can see, ecomania is clearly dodging everything that's said. His first post merely restates what had already been said numerous times. His second post is his defense on lack of contributing. He finds contributing "unnecessary" so he just "[reads] the thread and submitted [his] weather/emperor votes". He also states he will try to participate and help with clue analysis. You shouldn't need me to tell you that none of that has happened. DONT BE FOOLED BY THE BC AND PYRRY FIGHT. Both of these people are clearly innocent and fighting over nothing. It's obvious that ecomania should be lynched. At the very least, it's much safer to kill ecomania than to try to kill BC or Pyrry. BC and Pyrry are both active contributors (although both are stupid), and we can be nearly certain mafia are sitting back hiding among the inactives. | ||
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Foolishness
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On July 10 2009 07:56 Pyrrhuloxia wrote: Dude, you didn't kill TB, tb was already gonna die when you changed. Pyrry you're wrong. The vote was tied at 12-12. Then redtooth changed to abstain, putting TB in the lead. | ||
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Foolishness
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DONT LISTEN TO PYRRY OR BC! I can help the town win but I think we can all agree both Pyrry and BC cannot. Just ignore whatever they have to say. I tried to work with them and failed miserably, don't suffer the same fate as me. | ||
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