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On May 15 2009 13:42 dreamflower wrote: I guess I always assumed that people who announced they were running for office before roles came out weren't being entirely serious to begin with. More like what Caller was doing with his troll post. Thanks for all the explanations. Some posts are trolling but you usually get 1-2 serious runnings as well | ||
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I know the game doesnt officially start till friday but guess what! That doesn't stop the bloodyc0bbler platform wooooooooooooo. Ok guys, this game will be the hardest one potentially we have ever done, as such we need to get the mafia as soon as this game starts. I've shown a record of insane amount of clue analyzing from previous games, as such I believe I would make a good candidate for the town to keep alive. I however, would prefer to be pardoner, this allows me to help prevent potentially townbreaking lynches. As mayor, I would analyze the clues (as this is my forte) and bring them to your attention and direct votes on the best possible suspects, thus bringing the town some central leadership to avoid chaos. As pardoner, I would do generally the same idea, however, would use my ability to prevent lynches on cases where it appeared someone with no links was up for no reason. Vote for order, vote for BloodyC0bbler | ||
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And I really hope people know when to pause in this game when accuded of bandwagoning stupidly. | ||
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In a vet game, It's no longer a game of rush for mayor for a) bg protection (although nice perk) b) its placing yourself where you think your strengths would be best. I don't think the mayor spot would be done justice by me. | ||
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Realistically though, I figure you at serious level of playing as a mayor would outdo mine, or a pardoner level would be my better strongsuit. If plexa, cam, or mtf would like a slot in the mayoral/pardoner I would be more than happy to let them get it. I honestly believe a behavioural analyzer and a clue analyzer should be mayor/pardoner, it gives town potentially two of their best people protected from mafia hits. As mafia will undoubtedly hit players who are known for organizing town in some way. | ||
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Ver Mynock Showtime Caller Myself and myself running two of us would prefer pardoner, the other 3 either or. Ver has an early lead, which would most likely be due to his playstyle, caller has one vote from ver, and showtime with nothing. Mynock has a few votes, i have nothing. This leaves Ver and Mynock atm as the two who stand to be elected and showtime! in this case, have said, they are running off a strength behavioural analysis, which although is a good strength, both elected officials based off the same skills are not entirely useful. Let alone the fact they, in the past have preferred to sit in inner circles than speak openly, which is a horrible way to do things. now, as of the last game I played in, I was sheriff. As the primary elect that game, I did what I will do this game, Openly analyze clues, and link the best possible people for the night posts given. This requires me to me in the public eye of the town at all times, which is what is needed in the elected roles. Also, before voting for showtime or mynock, please consider the game of mine that just recently ended. The only behavioural analyzers out in force were for the red side, and the town completely to dry in that area, however, town had an amazing clue analyzer (although he was ignored) which could have changed the game entirely. | ||
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Also, mafia killing one of their own then claiming vigi, is not in their best interests, as it puts them on the radar for further clue analysis meaning if we see another clue as obvious pointing at them, its game over. And the GF faking it would be a huge loss to their team. | ||
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On May 17 2009 03:03 dreamflower wrote: @BC: That's true; I hadn't thought about the clue analysis part. I only mentioned the vigilante aspect because I remember some plans involving confirming vigilantes floating around in previous games. god, chuiu's last game was retarded for the vig talk, it was over discussed and seriously counter productive. Vigi's get confirmed via kills yes, and works a crapload better if you can analyze your own hit. and provided your not a prime suspect already you can normally slide under the radar. As a general note, as this was a rule brought about in chuiu's last game. Elected roles cannot be proven, remember even more closely whos being put in there. | ||
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On May 17 2009 13:46 L wrote: I would say that we should vote him in. Feel free to look at the actual benefits of office. They are limited to not being killed and fucking the town over. We have a number of very good players that can clue analyze and I'm certain they will be getting medic protection. Also, I seriously want people to go read mafia 2's section on this after checking out who was mafia. Clue analyzers almost never get the protection they deserve, i honestly dunno where you got that idea. As for this nemy debacle. If he is a DT, he would be useful, but if hes this retarded dumb to get caught already by mafia, he wont last long to use his abilities, and as a mayor we can never prove hes legit regardless of his role. If hes elected and DT the mafia/traitor will convince people hes red and get him lynched and if hes red, town will have wasted their elected role and have to pin him and get him lynched. Even if he is a DT, at this point his usefulness wont last long due to his compromised role. | ||
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Although that leads the game into more finger pointing and chaos, which the style nemy seems to be playing is building. Very few roles would benefit from town chaos. | ||
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On May 17 2009 14:55 nemY wrote: I think plenty of nice/mean things about you as well but you don't see me saying them everywhere... anyways, can we move back to the mayor candidates? I have told people multiple times, PM discussion is lame, its never reliable evidence, and leaves you too many holes on being caught. Hense, participating in them is not a bright move. | ||
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On May 17 2009 14:56 nemY wrote: Btw guys if it's really that big of a deal to you, just make sure the votes are safe enough for me to be Pardoner... I don't really have any intentions of using it. Then why fing run in the first place? You could have stayed hidden and off the radar (which is what a dt should be doing.) Your entire play is sketchy this game. | ||
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You tend to be pretty ballsy | ||
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On May 17 2009 15:34 Bockit wrote: I don't see what is generalised there, nemy did just nonchalantly ask for pardoner instead of mayor, he did roleclaim dt out of nowhere, and he took ages to post about 10 lines of pm material. Btw, in case people are overlooking this (I was guilty of this for a couple of minutes) Incognito is supporting the pms as legitimate, that doesn't mean nemy is detective, it just means they had a pm conversation. I think I'm going to keep my vote on showtime. | ||
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You guys busted my balls for wanting it, yet at least I had reasons for it. Then he says, he will never use it, so he wants the free protection. Free protection in which nemy has wanted in almost every game he has played, he always "runs" for mayor, if he can, and usually with a lacklsuter campaign at best that gets no where. He is never a top suspect, so he doesn't risk death early game, yet he is so frantic this game? My bet is hes a bored townie, or traitor. This overall doesn't seem like a smart red move. | ||
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Why are we voting mynock? I mean period? In every game I have played with him/hosted. He has never come off as someone I would want to follow. Ace plays a similar style (not exact but they have similar ways of dealing with things) that I wouldnt want to follow either, but he has way way way more experience so would be a better candidate over mynock in that sense, but seriously, we want someone to be elected with pretty well no leadership experience(see last game, he was part of malongos fun pals). The way i see it, Ver is in, showtime, caller and myself although would make good leaders obviously aren't getting the position, so that leaves Ace, mynock, and nemy for the other slot? fuck, give it to ace of the 3, then med protect nemy. Mynock has yet to seriously prove himself in my eyes to deserve that slot, and again YOU ALL FLAMED ME for wanting pardoner, YOU ALL FLAMED NEMY for wanting pardoner, but its ok for mynock, thats called bullshit. | ||
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Nemy wont use it and is being flamed for multiple reasons, wanting pardoner is one of them. Mynock wants it and not flamed (because of him saying roles were basically same thing?) We then realize pardoner is damn important and he is overlooked on that. Each person has a playstyle in this game where in two elected positions, their strength is better, mine is always better for a late game elected position in the sense im most effective then. I have said this before and will again, Behavioural analysist as mayor, and clue analyzer as pardoner OR Major strat planner as mayor, and behavioural analysist as pardoner make for a solid team. Ace, Ver, and Mynock are all behavioural mainly with minors in planning. I'm not even saying vote me, Just realize if your going to vote for two of those three people, do it at least in the two strongest players, which would be ver and ace. Although I think it would be interesting to see Mynock as a mayor, I certaintly dont want him to have the power of pardoner. | ||
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On May 18 2009 05:34 HeavOnEarth wrote: i'll totally run for pardoner and do absolutely nothing it's my pledge to the people to Liquida So you would lose the function of meat shield then? | ||
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On May 18 2009 05:45 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Yeah i think I may do this. If my current vote count is correct it's Nemy 6 ::Ver 6 :: Mynock 4 :: Ace 4, for the leading candidates. Ver is probably in, but i can help keep him in the mayor spot. Convenient way to dodge the burden of choosing pardoner Pretty much | ||
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or telling people what he feels they have to know over what they should know. Pretty popular tactic used by better known players of the game. However his execution leaves alot to be desired | ||
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Way to fishy | ||
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On May 18 2009 07:03 Incognito wrote: I feel uncomfortable about Ver since he really isn't doing what he says he would be doing. Traitor? Maybe. But that's besides the point. This L/Ace argument is getting us nowhere. And you both know it. I doubt nemY is mafia. On the other hand, I do have doubts on Ver/BC. I really don't trust Showtime! in a position where he is not able to be confirmed. And if Ace is going to act this way as mayor he probably shouldn't be mayor. The thing is, if nemY is DT I would be ok with him being mayor/pardoner. Yes its good to protect key players. But these key players are generally hard to figure out. And on top of that, a lot of information can come from their deaths, assuming they take those precautions. However, a dead DT isn't worth all that much. Nemy is either retardedly dumb townie, or part of a brilliant mafia plan. As I doubt he is this dumb, I'm leaning towards red, but I also believe either mynock or ace is possibly red as well. Nemy, if a dt, has just fucked town royally. | ||
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Ace is way too aggressive, Nemy is way too retarded. Its too cookie cutter perfect. | ||
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On May 20 2009 06:49 Showtime! wrote: Please explain. Someone of your stature should post more than "uhhhh I don't think so-and-so is red." Look at the recent events man. That shit doesn't add up. I have no reason to state my analysis yet mr mafia, as well, without one more day its useless. Regardless, Ace is being too bulldoggish, at best making him traitor, but deff not a mafia play, nor is ver's style, as Ver is playing much like he does as town alligned. Mynock, and showtime are the two candidates from the elections who have a potential of red. Nemy is a retarded dt at best. Also, if ace is Traitor(doubtful at this point He is most likely green) mbh will be same colour as otherwise ace wouldn't auto pardon him if near lynched, or mbh trying to get him lynched, etc.. | ||
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Makes me think your town aligned. Which means, mafia kills 1 if not both elected officials tonight. | ||
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Each one is a smart day one hit, as neither of the 3 would ever get protection | ||
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On May 20 2009 07:22 Showtime! wrote: Oh, so because I call you out I'm red? Thanks boss. I'm really following your logic there. No your red as you link to day 2 first murder with the syringe. | ||
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"unnoticed until one of them screamed and charged at LucasWoJ. mikeymoo fled from the scuffle as the attacker pulled out a syringe and slammed it into LucasWoJ's right eye. mikeymoo was gone by the time LucasWoJ was fully injected, but he could still hear the brutality even as he fled. The assailant bellowed again and started slamming the now empty syringe into LucasWoJ's face repeatedly until his face caved in and the only sounds left were guttural yells, the squishy impacts, and the sound of blood splatter." Google, Showtime, and it brings you to http://www.sho.com/site/index.html One of the main images is of a nurse with a syringe, then an image of ufc in there as well. One person directly links to the syringe and to a horrible beating, seems to me like a closed case. | ||
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Next you have a bit if you google oscar wilde (from her profile) You have a picture of him with a cane (fishballs arm was limp from a hit) that could cause that. A reference to giving him a stronger backbone Oscar wilde as well as his wife suffered from spine related issues before death Rake is used to go straight up giving a "stronger spine" hense back. | ||
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Ace N Vig hit Ace N Qatol thinks very very very similarly to how I do. Which means he is most likely taking clues to a similar level to what I would (not the same but similar levels of obvious if you know how hes getting clues, till then insanely hard). Dreamflower would almost be impossible to catch unless a theme of oscar wilde himself was used (note he was believed to be bisexual). Hey that would go with rape. | ||
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On May 20 2009 08:08 Showtime! wrote: BC one red herring after a next. Way to show your true colors. A syringe? First thing you find searching google with my nickname, lmao. I guess the question becomes: who are you trying to cover up for chump? You also find a ufc fight match on the same page (pictures scroll down slowly to it) Which explains the face beating. IT makes sense, even if qatol used it as a red herring, only you link to the syringe, which seems important if its being used in someoens eye. | ||
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half the time profiles are so vague you can't do a clue without being so obvious it hurts, google makes it less obvious | ||
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Chuiu also uses google for clues as well. | ||
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I'm not saying each person uses them the same but seriously? Its as solid as mtf's analysis, so stop dismissing it based on that. | ||
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Ace and Ver were both suspects based on bg's being killed, and both have been linked to the same clue. As town wants them to be red they are being forcefully linked to the clues to help prove a hunch. Regardless of the fact neither is dumb enough to kill two bgs day 1, as it gets them killed too fast. but hey, you guys have it all figured out, they obviously would be this bad. | ||
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So sorry for me wanting decent thought into this. Ive seen MTF post analysis, ive also seen a shiteload of people just jump on ver and ace, finger pointing and screaming. Guess what, sit back start thinking seriously rather than finding everyway to pin 2 people and seriously analyze. | ||
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On May 20 2009 08:47 0cz3c wrote: I tend to think that Qatol and LTT are far more sophisticated than that. To just use google, yes they are, just as I was. ITs still a tool to use on people with shitty profiles, that would be way to obvious otherwise. | ||
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On May 20 2009 08:46 L wrote: So BC, you're saying that both people in office must be innocent because both bodyguards have died? Oh wow. Oh wow, i wonder, If i was red, with two bgs, someone town almost was believing was dt, and then apparently a med, i wonder, i think id kill a bg, med and dt. Killing both bgs would get me put into the spotlight insanely quickly. So sorry if i give credit to people who are intelligent. Both ver and ace are smarter than that when they (if red) have tools to discredit eachother without killing bgs. | ||
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On May 20 2009 08:49 Ace wrote: I don't think he said that. Or at least I'd hope not. The chances are significantly less likely your both that obviously red to kill your bgs, you could still have one red, but less likely, more likely someone else had names, killed both and now can kill both mayor elects. | ||
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On May 20 2009 08:55 Showtime! wrote: Captain Obvious for the win. Killing 2 BGs is a ballsy play. This is strategy man. You can call it dumb all you want. But, who wants predictability? I'm telling you something doesn't add up. Who said vet's aren't capable of stupid plays? Look at what nemY did for christ sake. 3 blues down is major bait, no matter how you slice it. Nemy is always retarded, thats not a change from anything before. Yes, its ballsy play, but for day 2? Ace is acting like a rabid dog, but one who would prefer to be in control than being put down. Ver is playing a similar style to when hes been town. His red play is different, but hey, people can change playstyles, thats cool. As for blue sniping, that isn't as surprising as 2 bgs, bg's you can't behavioural analyze so wow, that means both ace and ver WHO specialize in it if red got lucky? too low of chances mate. Chances of both knowing the roles are even lower. | ||
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Your first two assumptions are too unlikely. As for ver vs ace, THEY HAVE suspected eachother since elections, woah wait, they both figured the other was red then, yet TOWN still voted in two "potential" mafia. Man if you seriously want both dead, lynch one then vig the other, dont delay with a double lynch. Asking people to wait to kill someone your basically so sure as red till following day doesn't add up. Much as ace has stated kill the dt whos roleclaiming/calling a person out and then kill the accused, this would be a very similar situation. Kill one, then kill the other as quickly as possible depending on the outcome. As at this point, the mayor/pardoner aren't really going to get any protection at night. | ||
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On May 20 2009 09:04 L wrote: This is a carbon copy of his play last game as godfather. You ran the game. You saw his inactivity. Qatol saw through him first day. Mainly qatol was about to quit the game, bitched and moaned and the two figured eachother out there, but hey, what do I know about my game, I only stayed insanely active knowing what x did when. | ||
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On May 20 2009 09:11 Incognito wrote: @ BC: Um...L was never pushing to wait to lynch both. He wants to lynch Ace now, but apparently you aren't listening? @ Scamp: Why do you trust Ace more? Also, you say it is way beyond coincidence, but then you say they didn't roleclaim. What DO you think? hes pushing to lynch ace today, ver/dreamflower tommorrow. Do read, if you want one dead, vigi the other. Delaying it is retarded. | ||
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On May 20 2009 09:28 Ace wrote: um...what? That says NOTHING about me but about the people voting for me. LOL wow you are WAY off on that one. Eh, last minute mass vote swapping is one thing that could indicate guilt. I'm not saying its 100%, but its not like its a ploy mafia wouldn't use or convince. | ||
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fishball had a rake stuff up his ass, this means he prob died crying, so it ended in tears. | ||
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So, we have a double lynch tommorrow. Ace will most likely be on said lynch list, we pair him up with X. Ace to be a spiteful dick will pardon X and just die himself, wasting our lynch. Get that ability out of the way first. | ||
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On May 21 2009 11:23 MTF wrote: He's assuming that we're going to kill Ace tonight and then kill him immediately after, so that reasoning doesn't make any sense at all. As a town, thats basically whats been discusssed the last two days, kill one, then the other to get the information we need. | ||
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On May 21 2009 11:24 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: If you're actually a veteran why would we waste the vig hit on you? It proves his role, means the town sees that he is infact a blue and rallies behind him | ||
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On May 21 2009 11:32 Ace wrote: Oh it's simple really - the time period for lynching ends very soon. Of course Plexa, Ver and BC all pop out of no where at the same time. Ver makes some sketchy tl;dr worthy post saying he knows something but UH UH! He ain't explaining how he came to those conclusions! And we won't be able to know his explanations till after I'm dead EVEN though he said he will get himself modkilled. Oh and just to be on the safe side he claimed himself to be a Vet so you guys would be even more hesitant to kill him. Laughable really. For someone who specializes in behavioural analysis ace, the fact you dont know where it came from is amusing. You have spent the last 2 days arguing with L trying to save your own skin when your incredibly shifty, and not offer any other leads except "lynch ver, or look at these people". Instead you argue and create chaos, and hense why you've been labeled as the traitor. As for him getting modkilled/killed tommorrow, IT validates the list he just gave as hey, hes blue (once again analyze his behaviour and thats the common ground you get). I'm a bloody clue analyzer and spotted him as blue during elections. IF i can do that, you should have every blue in the game so far, but instead, your creating chaos, seems rather laughable to me as well that as i read this post of yours i see you calling the "tl:dr" comment sketchy as hey, you pulled it last round and it was legitimate. Pull your head out of your ass and accept that you die either in lynch or to a vig. | ||
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On May 21 2009 11:39 MTF wrote: Right. But I don't agree with lynching both leaders for information, nor do I think Ace is Mafia. And as predicted, Ver is coming in with a last minute explanation post. I just didn't think he'd roleclaim or that you and Plexa would show up synchronized with him. And as it has been stated, he had his thesis defense, coupled with analyzing the towns insane retarded posting spree. As for us randomly showing up, I was advocating not killing him yesterday as well, so my defense of him isn't that mysterious. Plexa, i dunno what his reasoning is. | ||
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On May 21 2009 11:43 Ace wrote: What chaos? Go ahead, point it out. What chaos have I started? Your BULLSHITTING. This whole time I've been arguing with L it's been pretty normal because it's easy to follow. There is nothing "chaotic" about it. Chaos would be false roleclaiming to the town and getting innocents killed and just creating a big fucked up situation - that hasn't happened. Get your shit straight and kill the fluff posts. You spotted Ver as blue during elections? Thats nice. Really. But I'd never believe any of you are good at behavior analyzing that well because Ver has told me he's correctly analyzed me (LOL) and can't get it right this game. Sure buddy, I believe your "coalition" has things straight - RIGHT! I don't play this game to pick out the blues - I go for the reds homie. I don't need to PM a ton of people to do it either - get ya skillz up yo. I've yet to see anything out of you other than random pointing, and arguing, if your so 1337, why don't you provide some magic list of reds youve found. As for finding blues yo? You need to find either greens/blues to get a circle going but hey you know that as you typically do it everygame, except rather than work with people this game, your barking like a dog and hoping we'll listen. | ||
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On May 21 2009 12:15 Ace wrote: It's 10 to 11, Ver has 2 votes not 3. But yea Caller just fucked himself over. Oh well. Mayor - You are the primary elected role of the game. You gain two extra votes for lynch voting. You also, once elected, get to choose the first player to get lynched. You cannot choose the Pardoner. You show up as Mayor for all Rolechecks. Learn to read the rules tool, 2 extra votes would be his reg 1 + 2 for mayor = 3. | ||
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Then we look at your supporters through this retardedness and have an idea who to lynch tommorrow. | ||
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He and I have been in contact since before elections finished. | ||
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Now in the horrible shock of all this. We should now be looking for prime mafia candidates. I'm assuming L, that you have no issue with us getting on track now? | ||
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On May 21 2009 15:22 Plexa wrote: .. why would it link to qatol? Qatol is a naga from legend of the five rings. In the card game, the naga's were known for archer decks. I used the same clueset and weapon for him last game that i ran. If you read over the day 1 clueset, they used alot of the same redherrings from every game in that post. | ||
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On May 21 2009 15:25 Scamp wrote: Oh sweet, you know about that game too? And you know the names of Nagas? Cool beans. A buddy of mine from work got me into the game in the last few months. Im a mantis player ^^ | ||
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MBH is getting vigi'd Both dts have used their rolecheck and we have two more greens. Now, we have a list of people who should live till tommorrow. Me L Mynock Dreamflower Nemy(yes nemy) Mtf Caller We have one medic, protect someone on that list accordingly. We currently have a semblance of a town unity formed at the moment, so lets use it to our advantage before people try to destroy it again. We need to come up with decent and solid leads on who to lynch tommorrow. My bet would be on 0cz as one of them, but we can obviously discuss this as time goes on, as well as who else we should kill. Now, for shifty motherfuckers 0cz is insanely shifty Malongo is another insanely shift person mbh for obvious reasons. Scaramanga Camlito Plexa. You 6 should start trying to explain your relatively inactivity on most parts, and general douchebaggery on others, as none of you are helping the town. | ||
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As for my innocence, I've been working with one of the town circles since the game started, trying to sort this crap out. I tried to prevent the useless discord between ace/L at the start as i saw where it was going, then you lynched the head of the circle i was in. My defense lies in the fact I've been working with a dt, vet, and vig trying to get a town movement against the mafia going, and thanks to the works of players much like yourself, we have a vig who most likely will die, a dead vet, and a dt no one will believe. Excuse me if i dont believe you when you say your innocent, especially after your insanely insanely sketchy % post earlier in this thread. | ||
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Day 1 “Chuiu toppled to the deck. LTT and Qatol picked up the bodies and threw them overboard into the shark-infested waters. They breathed a sigh of relief, but it was short lived. LTT turned just as something bowled into him, knocking him down into the now crimson waters. Qatol turned to see what was happening when a voice spoke from behind him.” Here we have first off, mafia bodies disposed of to ravenous sharks, then, ltt is bowled into the water which leads to his death as well. When it comes to this I believe the link could possibly be PLEXA Why you ask? If you google his signature “Spirit will set you free” it will bring you to a tl page here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=81492¤tpage=3 On that page has a picture of a shark, as well as a man with his hands outstretched, Upon closer consideration you see it’s a livecast match, between mbc and lecaf. That picture matchup is of shark vs jaedong, who has been nicknamed kitty for this instance. What do cats to when they attack someone, pounce or leap, and if they hit someone it could bowl them forward. Going with the style of cat clue as well, SCAMP has a cat in his profile (same sort of link of cat bowling people over) as well as his name meaning “1 : rascal, rogue 2 : an impish or playful young person” an impish or playful person or a rogue/rascal could fight someone by charging them and pushing them, as watching someone fall into water would be amusing to them. Now for death 2 day 1 “Qatol turned to face this new threat, but was unable to locate the speaker. Suddenly, Qatol saw a blur as his assailant leapt at him, planting a knife in Qatol's chest. LTT's attacker came over and helped push Qatol into the water with the others.” We see again the falling into the water (all bodies fed to sharks) which could refer to plexa but I doubt it. We have instead, someone who qatol couldn’t see, then lept out at him. This would seem to me that he would be either a small man, or invisible. As I doubt anyone is invisible iw ould go for a small man. For the most part. This could link to HEAVONEARTH as in his profile he has linked to his mybrute page. Mybrutes are small, tiny warriors, so leaping up into a taller qatol and killing him wouldn’t be so unexpected. As well, his specific brute has ability to run fast and charge, leaving a blurry trail behind him. MRBABYHANDS possibly as baby would imply small. Day 2 analysis “LucasWoJ was fully injected, but he could still hear the brutality even as he fled. The assailant bellowed again and started slamming the now empty syringe into LucasWoJ's face repeatedly until his face caved in and the only sounds left were guttural yells, the squishy impacts, and the sound of blood splatter. Come morning, there would be little above the neck that could identify LucasWoJ's corpse.” Day 3 post confirms this was caller. Next death “Meanwhile, the second intruder, initially transfixed by the brutal killing, suddenly remembered that there was another target and began the hunt. He climbed the stairs and poked his head into each of the bedrooms but couldn't find anyone. After passing the set of curtains with a conspicuous pair of shoes sticking out for the third time, he heard mikeymoo sneeze. He turned around and shot both feet, causing mikeymoo to fall from his hiding place. The man approached the writhing mikeymoo, dropped his gun, and grabbed one of his fingers. He slowly put pressure on it until it snapped and mikeymoo let out a scream that dwarfed any sounds he had made before. The attacker continued until he ran out of fingers upon which time he pulled out a knife and stabbed mikeymoo in the throat. As his life left him, mikeymoo chuckled at the absurdity of the knife solving the problem of his hoarse, sore throat.” This entire sequence has the feeling of a sense of surrealness. Someone who remembered there was another person to kill. So he went and looked into bedrooms, one at a time. Finds his target and attacks, first immobilizing them, then cruely torturing before the final kill. A link to this could be TRICODE quotation “1 2, he is coming for you” line which is a reference to freddy krugar. Who is a serial killer, who kills people. So one room at a time he persued his victim, till he found him, and slowly killed him. Many others have commented earlier how they thought this might point to dreamflower as it seemed to be like a dream, well, freddy killed people in dreams. Also connection to SCARAMANGA. As he stopped to observe the first attack before he moved on to his own victim. One of the people in profile referenced is kangmin, ie nal_ra who is currently a commentator in korea, hense he would stop to watch. He also has by.flash or young ho and Shine or sang won listed. Both of which are players who would pursue their opponent to the end, preventing them from being able to fight them again. Breaking of the fingers could symbolize the inability of mikeymoo to ever compete against them in their sport again? Weak link but exists Kill 3 “In a different part of town, Fishball was running for his life. His left arm was hanging uselessly at his side, the result of a blow from the man calmly following him. Fishball finally reached the tool shed behind his house. He started fumbling with the lock in an attempt to get the axe inside. He got the door open in time for a kick from his pursuer to knock him to the floor. Fishball coughed while the other man surveyed the inside of the shed. Having made his selection, the attacker grabbed one of the tools leaning against the inside of the shed and kneeled down next to Fishball. "This would have been a lot less painful for you if you had faced me like a man. You need to develop a stronger backbone; I am going to help you with that," quipped the hit man. He then shoved the rake in his hand into Fishball from behind, handle first, as far as he could. He left Fishball flailing on the ground, coming to terms with his newfound confidence but lacking the strength to do anything with it except die.” I would suggest that this links to REBIRTHOFLEGEND. He has a quotation of a ban by hot_bid “Reason: I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want. If you want to troll, I can tell you I have no patience for that. But what I do have are a very particular set of skills; skills I have acquired over a very long moderation career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you stop the stupidity now, that'll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you. But if you don't, in one week, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will ban you.” This would suggest to me that he is possibly red. As Fishball was sporting a limped arm, much like he ad been warned once before? Then because he didn’t learn, he is chased, and killed, and at the end makes it seem as if he learned the error of his ways. Day 3 First kill “"Well, if you aren't going to cook anything for us..." The smaller man snapped his fingers and infundibulum burst into flames.” Possible linkage to TRICODE, as freddy Krueger kills people in dreams by bursting them into flames. Possible link to HEAVONEARTH as of his tiny mybrute, and I know grenades are weapons in that game, REBIRTHOFLEGEND as in the sense of the poem he has it ends with explode, something could have burst and lit infundi on fire. Second kill “L hunched in the corner of the freezer, trying to make himself as small as possible. The banging on the freezer door was only interrupted by infundibulum's screams. The screams went from muffled to painfully loud as the larger man finally managed to solve the problem posed by the door. He quickly spotted L and started punching him repeatedly. Surprisingly, the blows didn't seem to hurt L as much as he had expected. With the hope of escape now flashing before him, L looked for something to ward off the attacker. He immediately noticed that infundibulum had clearly not defrosted the freezer in months. He was thankful. He broke off one of the icicles and tried to stab his attacker's face with it, but he couldn’t figure out exactly where to stab. L was trying to sort out his confusion when a blow from a blunt object crushed his head. L toppled to the floor. The larger man left the door ajar as he left, ensuring that the freezer would get its long overdue defrosting.” This fight reminds of a HEAVONEARTH, as well, mybrute character, runs in attacks and punches, hes smaller so his fists wouldn’t do the type of damage you would expect. Next, because of his size, you would have a harder time hitting him. The death could also link to TRICODE. This is because the death happened in 3 stages, the first two times fail, and the third succeeds. 1st time when L flees, second when his first hit fails to kill L, third time when he finishes L off just before he is stabbed by an icicle. This could point to him as well. Third kill was on caller by dreamflower, im assuming we can skip it. I would also note Last kill “Someone exited the hotel into the garden in time to see this struggle unfold. He charged towards the struggle and rammed into the plant. The jaws unclenched and Caller’s bones spilled to the ground. Letting out a cry, the would-be savior pulled on the stem until the plant was uprooted. He proceeded to trample dreamflower until only green goo remained.” Not entirely sure on this one. | ||
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On May 23 2009 09:02 0cz3c wrote: Ok. You're getting more and more suspicious BloodyCobbler. Better start defending yourself. Ok. I'll read through this thoroughly. However, this post is INCREDIBLY SUSPICIOUS. YOU'RE EVADING MY POST ABOUT MBH. COMPLETELY. You essentially dismiss him as a suspect. You say that your clue to him, which would presumably be correct, is only tenuous. And look how long that post is. Unnecessarily long. I suspect that there's very little legitimate content. TOWN READ. This is what I did last game. Several times when Camlito or Ace made very revealing posts and exposed several mafia, I would always proceed with an extremely large post that would indirectly dismiss what they had said. Why? Because it would force the page to move on. Perhaps someone not in realtime would think that the discussion has moved on as well. It worked brilliantly last game (I mean to say, it was not just me, it was every mafia's strategy). You witnessed that. I mean, you're playing by the cards we played last game. I already mentioned that. And you keep doing it. Here, there it is again. It worked in the previous game, and you're hoping it works here. Look, your post addresses nothing that's been discussed in the previous page. Why not? And you don't even acknowledge it. That's because it's in the mafia's best interest to cover up what has just been exposed. Now I'm even more convinced that MBH is mafia. I'll be placing my second vote on you unless you can satisfactorily explain why you interrupted a discussion that could have only helped the town. I'll read your analysis, but I suspect it will be crap. Although, as you yourself say, clue analysis is your specialty. Let's see if that was a lie as well. Heh. More as the clue we have on mbh is well hands? So yes, clue wise it is a stretch to him, but he was never really suspected on clue analysis from the get go. All i did was take what we had an attempt to do something with it, you on the other hand, SCREAM AND SHOUT. But now, aside from pointing fingers at mbh, and myself, you point them at anyone who dismisses you. You make long posts that barely provide any substance past. We're still in this, lets win this. OMG HE ACCUSED ME< KILL IT KILL IT. How about before we start screaming im useless, you sit down, go through each day post, and then sift through profiles to find matches. Or we can work on exactly what parts of it you have specific issue with, and work on it from there. That is you know, normally what happens. But hey your right 0cz, lets kill the guy trying to help that town, as that always works out well, so much better than killing the one screaming orders without much backing other than "ITS OBVIOUS" | ||
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man, I haven't addressed behavioural analysis at all day 3 as well, i got shot for it the last 2 days, so i left it alone in my own stuff. I can't link clues to you which would suggest innocence, but then bulldog people like ace did mafia 3 which comes off sketchy, although you are backing off, reducing that. Behaviourally your right, mbh is shifty and has alot of explaining to do to somehow free himself from death, then if you want for more shiftyness, kill one of the inactives, which is a heavy suspect. Out of those scaramanga plexa camlito are three names that stand out prominently, however, camlito is a verified green, so it would be plexa or scara. But as I'm not good at behavioural I'm not campaigning people to death on it. As a note to MTF, my only issue with your vivi link is that it seems too obvious, unless that was qatols intention | ||
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In light of mtf's stuff though, I concur that Vivi57 could be an optimal target as well. | ||
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Also note, part of my reason for concentrating on those 4, was they link semi decently to day 3, so went back to see if they relinked to previous days. | ||
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But yea, As this is my first time really being part of the mafia team W T F ON INACTIVES | ||
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On May 24 2009 14:34 Incognito wrote: I hate this town. I hate my inactive mafia team ESPECIALLY THE DOUCHE WHO SOLD OUT CALLER, CALLER WOULD HAVE VOTED | ||
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On May 24 2009 14:38 Malongo wrote: quoted because its true and you made me look even more stupid. To be fair, your almost as bad, i would say worse as youve played more mafia games | ||
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On May 24 2009 14:38 Incognito wrote: L you're stupid. Also why didn't I die? You were being semi manipulated by showtime, and we knew he had been checked and flipped green (thanks nemy), then coupled with the fact for awhile we thought you were the second vet | ||
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after that in my huge bs post, i think i linked mbh and scamp, but vivi was just ugh, clue raped beyond belief | ||
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On May 24 2009 14:40 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: the election [nemy.jpg] ROFL | ||
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He actually fished the info of your role out of someone, I believe the concensus was that you were vet at first then nemy goof fuck revealed it or you did to mbh. Was more of a fishing expo, we didnt actually know you were the other dt till the beginning of day 3 | ||
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Although incog, thanks for checking out 1 of my 2 targets or should i thank nemy? | ||
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On May 24 2009 14:44 Incognito wrote: nemY I hate you....or is it my fault? *edit Also why give up...I don't see how you guys would have lost even with vivis death... If you look at the voting lists, you will see who was pushing ocz was also pushing tricode, so most would be red, then all of us who didnt vote double lynch were the same batch = dead crew | ||
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On May 24 2009 14:46 Incognito wrote: I checked Showtime!. I was going to check him even before nemY told me that someone asked him to check Showtime! and...was it...forgot who now. I told him to have showtime and 0cz checked, he told me showtime was checked and one dt had already sent in a rolecheck on camlito. but i had the intel instantly. | ||
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On May 24 2009 14:47 L wrote: The vote train and voting activity was BLATANT. they were obviously trying the all-in push we did day 5 last game, but it failed. It failed due to inactivity of 3 people, seriously pissed right now | ||
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On May 24 2009 14:54 L wrote: We lost mayor in mafia 2 because of inactivity of 3 members, so I know how you're feeling. Its seriously rage material when you know the game's over, but you're on the wrong side because one person just afk'd. I was pretty fucking raged when I overslept the night I was killed. I had SO much more information to pass onto people : (. We had the entire damn voting planned to be rigged like yesterday. WE ALL KNEW when we had to be around to vote, then 3 people messed up, when only one was needed to fix it. Its infuriating. Although, i feel bad for vivi being around 10 seconds late | ||
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On May 24 2009 15:09 Ace wrote: just a stupid fucking move 99% of the time. BC probably gets MVP for Mafia side (based only on public posts) because no matter how much fucking nonsense he posted somehow people would go "no...no....I think he's on to something!" rofl wtf. Man, Its because you came off as traitor so hardcore, and for the most part at the start my posts weren't as angry, I came off more like a calm rational person so got the benefit of the doubt. Then my huge 5 page analysis i purposely bolded names as i knew almost no one would read the damn thing past the names, and hense a bandwagon was started | ||
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I tried to play alot more behind the scenes while keeping my regular level of activity in the thread going, then ver roleclaimed, df roleclaimed, caller was pushed from said circle and was red, then ver mod killed, df died and i had communication with tricode and nemy, in which i was then told to pin tricode. | ||
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Note: my biggest errors in behavioural roles this game Incog as vet over dt malongo as med (lawl) and tricode as potential dt for awhile as he semiroleclaimed it to me near the beginning. However, i pegged ver as vet df as vig nemy roleclaimed so obvious mbh as red showtime as red So behaviourally i think i did overall well for the first time ever clue wise though, one of the best games to analyze | ||
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On May 24 2009 15:30 Ace wrote: impossible I told people all you have to do is read my posts objectively and you can just figure out what I'm trying to do. Not my fault people get emotional and can't think straight v_v eh, you come off as arrogant and bulldoggish so no one wants to listen to you, hense I can exploit it. Basically all I did was fan the fire for awhile | ||
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On May 24 2009 15:33 Ace wrote: If they are sitting there listening to your PMs then they've got bigger problems than what I'm doing. Most of the time I would manipulate over an IM, its faster, and more interactive and alot easier to have a manipulative conversation, as well your words aren't as carefully red. It's all about how you do it. It was fun playing my role but ugh, inactive team blows, I now feel bad for any side who lost a game they had won due to it. | ||
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On May 24 2009 15:34 Incognito wrote: And I'm still confused maybe MBH can clarify? What did you exactly think I was? Since you did say you thought I was DT then disappeared. Were you ever sure of this? Last night he told us you were the last DT, he either fished this from you and got a read on it, or from nemy. He then was insanely inactive for the mafia game, so who knows what happened from there | ||
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On May 24 2009 16:24 Incognito wrote: Actually... Town played a terrible game and should have lost. seconded | ||
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On May 24 2009 16:29 Qatol wrote: Except you couldn't have picked a worse target to push df's hit onto. You had a better chance of taking that hit than 0cz3c did....... I didnt know that till after >.> | ||
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The 5 page monster I made was so obviously shite that I'm not sure how a heavon and tricode bandwagon started, I will admit it was hilarious but seriously, town had wayyyy to many issues on not picking up random shit posts. | ||
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On May 25 2009 06:07 MTF wrote: Though I think you guys had an argument for Tricode based on behavioral analysis, you really didn't have good clue analysis tying him to anything. As I said in my response to BC when all of this was going down, all the clues that were being attached to Tricode were scattered amongst different Mafia, when the clue format was clearly separated by individuals. For the clues to be solid, they'd need to all be tied to a single person. you should have pushed that. I completely bet on the town's doing quick skims of what i wrote/seeing a name bolded multiple times. Its like "oh wow if hes linked to 5 clues hes gotta be linked right to one of them" It was a cheap trick that I was hoping would work but didn't think it would, but in the end it didnt matter. | ||
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You were too close in your analysis before the day 3 started that i wanted you removed. | ||
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Ver's Decision (based on what i know) happened like this. He asked me for names for potential lynches. He told me he already had mbh and amber on his list due to inactivity, I dropped infinity's name, as well as one other random one (forget which). He then took his first two names to ace, ace said he would auto pardon mbh. That left ver with Amber and then he had infinity's name that I had given him. He coin flipped best of 7 i believe, and infinity lost so was lynched. | ||
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