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Hey Guys,
I'm running for mayor. I have nothing to offer. Absolutely nothing. In fact, I suspect I'll make a terrible mayor. Therefore, I ask that everyone vote for me. Please do.
I feel that now would be the most opportune moment to say something everyone ignores: L is mafia. I'll be voting to lynch him every day from now.
Lastly, I suspect that Ver is not, but, of course, it is far too premature to matter. If he is not, then it seems to me that that propitiates the town's ability to win. So yeah, I'm tentatively thinking about perhaps voting for Ver.
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I would like to note that my candidacy is not one based on a power play. I am but a mere townie.
If anyone else would like to claim a role in order to enhance his OR HER chance to win election, then by all mean, please feel free to do so. I, however, do not wish to tarnish my good name. So I won't lie. And isn't that doubtlessly the most important quality a town could hope for from a leader (that is to say, a mayor or pardoner)? Again, I remind everyone that I am running for mayor. I will not offer a thing; however, I encourage all to vote for me. Together, we can somehow elect me! !
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HeavONearth is mafia, by the way. I'll explain after I'm killed during the night !
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L, I'm just choosing to ignore it; I thought it was extremely stupid.
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The only problem with RoL's post is that it's a typical RoL mafia post.
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OR....
We could just elect me into a position of power. o.o
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On May 18 2009 04:45 Scamp wrote:Show nested quote +On May 18 2009 04:21 0cz3c wrote: OR....
We could just elect me into a position of power. o.o This gives me a brilliant idea that's not actually brilliant! Let's vote in whoever has been the most inactive right now! No way any mafia member would be inactive for this long. It's foolproof! Especially if the guy really is inactive for whatever reason. Then he'd get back to the game and be like: "What the hell???" But then again if he really is inactive then he could actually be mafia too...
While your idea may not be brilliant, mine, without a doubt, certainly is.
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On May 18 2009 07:49 Incognito wrote: Why is nobody responding to my post? Either it is correct or it is flawed, I don't think you can have no opinion about it...
Because you didn't consider me as a serious candidate for pardoner. Who wouldn't ignore you?
Owned Bockit.
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I'd like to remind everyone that I am indeed running for mayor. I am willing to accept the position of pardoner as well.
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I couldn't help but notice that I'm not on that list. Does that mean that I create my own special category? Or do you not take 100% into account?
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I see what you did there.
I'd like to take this opportunity to remind everyone that I have already announced my candidacy for mayor. Not really sure what's holding the votes back.
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I already did the job for him on you HeavOnEarth. You're confirmed mafia.
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On May 18 2009 10:53 Caller wrote: what the hell is going on here...?
where did those percentages come from? and what's with the massive flame war here? Can't we all just get along...? And could we also get a vote tally?
I'm seeing a lot of questions; I'm not seeing any answers.
I can provide this town with answers...provided I get elected into office, of course.
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Hey nemY, if you really wanted to prove that you're a DT, you'd place your vote on me. Let's hope that starts the bandwagon I'm expecting.
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On May 18 2009 11:32 Ace wrote: here we go again. Mafia managed to make people take votes off of me, and no one read Ver's post.
Gotta love this town.
I can't read.
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On May 19 2009 01:51 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Well, I wish I wasn't so far behind with everything when reading earlier. The infinity kill makes sense, I guess. He just posted a few times saying lawl I have no idea whats going on and then ran away and never really did anything.
and for the last time, Ace shut the hell up. NemY being mafia is so fucking unlikely and you know it. It is like a 1% chance at MOST. 98% chance of him being DT/Traitor and 1% of him being a douche townie.
The lying leads him to look more like a Traitor who didn't plan everything out that he would need. It happens. However BESIDES that, most of his behavior makes him look like a legit detective. This is just a dumb move for mafia.
Just because the election is over doesn't mean this serves no purpose. The mafia is going to kill him just to be safe, so we should consider putting a medic on him so they will hesitate on hitting him. At LEAST for one day until he can try to prove whether he is a legit DT or not. Well not so much prove, but give us something to work with then if he dies and pops up blue, now we have a legit role check to work with.
To summarize what I said. The mafia has to kill him UNLESS hes mafia. At which point in a few days we will just kill him if he doesn't die from the oppositions volition. If hes a DT/Traitor which I have stated is most likely then the mafia has to kill him regardless of which they think he is. The longer they let him live and he is a DT the more information we get from him. Even if they risk killing the traitor who only helps them cause chaos without implicating one of their own.
So yeah, if in 4 days mafia doesn't kill him hes probably mafia. Chance of that happening? Practically zero. Until then, lets just bask in the glorious amount of behavioral data that the nemy debacle has caused us. I collected some fishy shit from before page 18, I should probably update it accordingly though.
Not true, and you know it. In my perspective, there's a 25% chance that Nemy is mafia. Mathematically, that is wholly true. In your perspective, he probably has closer to a 21% chance of being mafia, Certainly not 1%. He also has a 45% chance to be a green townie. That's not 1%. Nice try. Also has a 10% chance to be a DT or traitor.
I'd like to know from where you're pulling these imaginary and false figures?
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On May 19 2009 05:54 L wrote:Show nested quote +I'd like to know from where you're pulling these imaginary and false figures? From the fact that the play was ultra ballsy, the fact that history shows that a real DT has figured its worth trying, and the fact that mafia setting up one of their members to get killed/vig hit on day 1-2 is incredibly poor play. The risk is huge, the reward is not: Compare to someone who is a 'good player' like Ace/Ver being mafia and running (and there's obviously going to be one on the mafia side) why would you go about this route? After this game, when the precedent is set that the gambit is a potential success for someone who tries it, it would be far less likely, but compared the potential nemy is mafia to ace or ver. Ace and Ver have huge playing tells and action tells which are pointing towards them being mafia. They might not be, but they're more likely to be than joe 6pack average player given the way they played day 1. The likeliness nemy is mafia depends on the risk/reward ratio of making the claim. In the current instance, the risk of being caught is very high and the penalty is severe: 1/6th of the mafia die. Compare that to the reward: Ace is on record saying pardoner is far less powerful than i proposed it to be, so lets do this calculation in his head: Minimal reward: Town wouldn't start listening to him or funneling him information. Town would still be looking at him. Which makes me wonder why Ace could possibly believe nemy is lynch material.
You're mentioning qualitative not quantitative observations. Still, my question remains unanswered.
By the way, the word "feast" appears several times in the first post. This, to me, suggests extravagance (it had been the mafia's fourth feast). Both seem to suggest mafia feasting. In the first case, it's Chuiu and Pyrr, and in the second, LTT wrote, "The sharks feasted." (And, by the way, the writing is unquestionably LTT's. You're welcome.) Sharks, ravenous, murderous creatures, can serve as a metaphor for the mafia. Indeed, the fact that the water was shark-infested seems to confirm this (it goes well with the mafia's claim: "“You no longer control this town. It is ours now.”") After that moment, the mafia control the living bodies aboard the ship; the sharks, the dead thrown into the sea.
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On May 19 2009 06:24 L wrote:Show nested quote +You're mentioning qualitative not quantitative observations. Still, my question remains unanswered. You're intentionally wasting my time. There is no quantitative data in the game which is assured until people confirm themselves or die. beyond 22/29 chances for being a townie 7/29 for being mafia aligned there are no numbers you can use to directly determine the percentage "mafia" you are. You know this. I know this. "the I'm 99% certain he's a mafia" line, or variations thereof is simply meant to express that one person strongly believes in the statement. But why are you even talking about his use of a fairly transperant literary device? Please tell me.
To know, check my numbers. They are revealing, are they not?
Edit: And I wasn't trying to waste your own time. You were not the target. But yes, that's what's happening right now.
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I thought I'd try my hand at this, by the way. Empirically based, by the way.
Mafia Percentages (Plus/Minus 5 percentage points for total accuracy) 1. Caller - 36% 2. Incognito - 34% 3. scamp - 14% 4. scaramanga - 0% 5. bloodyc0bbler - 31% 6. fishball - 19% 7. nemy - 78% 8. fusionsdf - 67% 9. Ver - 59% 10. bockit - 0% 11. plexa - 70% 12. camlito - 82% 13. showtime! - 20% 14. mikeymoo - 45% 15. dreamflower - 47% 16. ace - 9% 17. infundibulum - 43% 18. vivi57 - 38% 19. mynock - 28% 20. lucaswoj - 35% 21. amber[light] - 39% 22. rebirthoflegend - 0% 23. MTF - 0% 24. 0cz3c - 0% 25. infinity21 - 87% 26. heavonearth - 95% 27. Tricode - 0% 28. Malongo - 0% 29. MrBabyHands - 69% 30. L - 63% 31??? LTT 1%
Chances that the person is NOT mafia (plus/minus say...2 percentage points) 1. Caller - 64% 2. Incognito - 66% 3. scamp - 86% 4. scaramanga - 100% 5. bloodyc0bbler - 69% 6. fishball - 50% 7. nemy - 36% 8. fusionsdf - 70% 9. Ver - 89% 10. bockit - 100% 11. plexa - 17% 12. camlito - 43% 13. showtime! - 19% 14. mikeymoo - 61% 15. dreamflower - 54% 16. ace - 91% 17. infundibulum - 85% 18. vivi57 - 42% 19. mynock - 28% 20. lucaswoj - 68% 21. amber[light] - 59% 22. rebirthoflegend - 100% 23. MTF - 100% 24. 0cz3c - 100% 25. infinity21 - ~30% 26. heavonearth - 23% 27. Tricode - 100% 28. Malongo - 100% 29. MrBabyHands - 25% 30. L - 34% 31???! LTT - 99%
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What am I at? Can you keep score? I'd like to know my score when I'm playing games!
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On May 19 2009 08:36 Ver wrote: I just got back. Sorry guys I was at my honors defense (Yes I passed :D).
Last night I didn't want to spend any more time on mafia than I did and being feverish I just did a coin flip bo7 between Infinity21 and Amber[light]. Infinity won 4-1 so that was that. I had a few more ambitious lynches but I didn't have the time to contact Ace and I figured he'd be okay with lynching a noncontributer.
0cz3c your list sucks. Not only is it useless but contradictory and inaccurate. At the very least I want the colored text back!
I'll update mine in a bit though. Despite Ace's silly criticism based on some newbie implementation I still believe it is a valid way to make my opinions known and inject some chaos. I thought the idea was awesome when I saw you post that thing last game and so far it's been quite successful ^_^
Not much else to say for the night though. I disagree with Ace's dt list in needing to RC those three mayoral candidates but that can wait till later when we have more evidence.
The most pressing thing I want to know is how many mafia candidates ran. 0, 1, or 2.
I originally thought there were 2, Mynock and Ace. One of my associates thought that as well. But Ace's response to me calling him out was exactly what I expected if he was innocent. Mynock, not so much, and I'm pretty questioning of him still (imo primary dt suspect). The useful part with this is that once we know we can clear everyone else because mafia is not going to have that many candidates running.
Game history says that any time a mafia candidate has run, they have always gotten a position. Randombum got pardonner in mafia 2, MTF got mayor in mafia 4, and Qatol got mayor last game. My vote switching shenanigans were in an attempt to isolate the mafia voters or figure out potential mafia candidates. I'm still not certain on Ace/Mynock and they have to prove themselves but I feel a bit better than I did before. Caller BC and Showtime are almost assuredly innocent based on votes.
If anyone has any insight on this I'd much appreciate it. Town needs to talk more, as I was pretty annoyed that almost nobody responded to my queries for targets last night. L is doing a great job of adding confusion and chaos while distracting us from our tasks.
As for tomorrows lynches, more will be clear when we see who's dead. Mafia either have to blue snipe or target who they feel is the most dangerous. But if they do the latter the mafia will reveal themselves quickly (this is why I only blue sniped last game).
See, here's the problem with what you said: "inject some chaos."
Yeah. That's a job for the mafia.
You're right. My list did suck. I'll be updating it shortly.
Edit: I would also like everyone to know that I was a serious candidate for mayor; therefore, DTs definitely ought to scan me.
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Mafia Percentages (Plus/Minus 5 percentage points for total accuracy) 1. Caller - 36% 2. Incognito - 34% 3. scamp - 14% 4. scaramanga - 0% 5. bloodyc0bbler - 31% 6. fishball - 19% 7. nemy - 78% 8. fusionsdf - 67% 9. Ver - 100% 10. bockit - 0% 11. plexa - 70% 12. camlito - 82% 13. showtime! - 20% 14. mikeymoo - 45% 15. dreamflower - 47% 16. ace - 9% 17. infundibulum - 43% 18. vivi57 - 38% 19. mynock - 28% 20. lucaswoj - 35% 21. amber[light] - 39% 22. rebirthoflegend - 0% 23. MTF - 0% 24. 0cz3c - 0% 25. infinity21 - 87% 26. heavonearth - 95% 27. Tricode - 0% 28. Malongo - 0% 29. MrBabyHands - 69% 30. L - 63% 31??? LTT 1%
Chances that the person is NOT mafia (plus/minus say...2 percentage points) 1. Caller - 64% 2. Incognito - 66% 3. scamp - 86% 4. scaramanga - 100% 5. bloodyc0bbler - 69% 6. fishball - 50% 7. nemy - 36% 8. fusionsdf - 70% 9. Ver - 0% 10. bockit - 100% 11. plexa - 17% 12. camlito - 43% 13. showtime! - 19% 14. mikeymoo - 61% 15. dreamflower - 54% 16. ace - 91% 17. infundibulum - 85% 18. vivi57 - 42% 19. mynock - 28% 20. lucaswoj - 68% 21. amber[light] - 59% 22. rebirthoflegend - 100% 23. MTF - 100% 24. 0cz3c - 100% 25. infinity21 - ~30% 26. heavonearth - 23% 27. Tricode - 100% 28. Malongo - 100% 29. MrBabyHands - 25% 30. L - 34% 31???! LTT - 99%
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Inifinity, I only thought that there was an 87% chance you were mafia. I maintain and will continue to maintain that percentage chance, as it proved to be accurate.
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I generally wait to hear what Malongo has to say, and then I do the exact opposite.
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Caller should be getting protection from at least one medic, by the way. And I doubt that nemY is mafia. No use to kill a DT, Ace.
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On May 20 2009 06:05 Ace wrote: He's not a confirmed DT stop saying that nonsense.
Ok. I get what you're saying. To the gallows with Nemy!
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On May 20 2009 08:09 BloodyC0bbler wrote: double Y Ace N Vig hit Ace N
Qatol thinks very very very similarly to how I do. Which means he is most likely taking clues to a similar level to what I would (not the same but similar levels of obvious if you know how hes getting clues, till then insanely hard). Dreamflower would almost be impossible to catch unless a theme of oscar wilde himself was used (note he was believed to be bisexual). Hey that would go with rape.
Hey!
No need to insult Qatol.
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On May 20 2009 08:16 BloodyC0bbler wrote: You do realize last game the only person to successfully clue link ANYONE in my game was the guy who googled right? because its how i got my clues?
half the time profiles are so vague you can't do a clue without being so obvious it hurts, google makes it less obvious
I tend to think that Qatol and LTT are far more sophisticated than that.
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On May 20 2009 08:51 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 20 2009 08:46 L wrote: So BC, you're saying that both people in office must be innocent because both bodyguards have died?
Oh wow.
Oh wow, i wonder, If i was red, with two bgs, someone town almost was believing was dt, and then apparently a med, i wonder, i think id kill a bg, med and dt. Killing both bgs would get me put into the spotlight insanely quickly. So sorry if i give credit to people who are intelligent. Both ver and ace are smarter than that when they (if red) have tools to discredit eachother without killing bgs.
Unless, of course, the killings were random.
Not mere oversights!
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I propose we hold another election for mayor and pardoner.
I also propose that I be the sole party running.
Votes? Agreements? Dissent?
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On May 20 2009 09:00 HeavOnEarth wrote: *anxiously awaits the next lynch results*
Naturally.
For what else could a mafia hope?
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Know what we're missing?
Useless posts by RebirthOfLegend.
Wonder what happened.
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On May 20 2009 10:32 Ace wrote: Nope L, normally I'd be fine with dying but I believe the town is so collectively stupid I refuse. Not this time.
But what if Nemy is blue? !
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But what if Nemy flips blue?
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I think we should focus on me. I was, after all, a candidate during our elections, and, of course, I did lose.
I will be updating numbers soon. The results, needless to say, are extremely interesting.
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Fortunately for us, only one vigilante exists.
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On May 21 2009 16:08 Incognito wrote:Well...since nobody's doing anything useful, I might suggest MBH as a target for viging. He probably should be analyzing by now, and he seems rather unhelpful to me. Other suggestions might be Tricode, 0cz3c, or Malongo? I'm not sure. But we should probably have some discussion. I think if we hit at least a mafia or two with the vigi hit + double lynch it'll give us decent chances
You're a moron.
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By the way, at least one of the following three is mafia.
Caller RebirthofLegend nemY
I may be simply pulling this out of my ass. However, 0cz3c's senses are tingling.
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On May 22 2009 00:14 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: yeah, I was about to say I suggest we vigi hit 0cz3c. Ver's analysis's are usually pretty good and I believe he said all of 0cz3cs above mentioned people are MOST LIKELY innocent. Except me, who he wasn't sure about.
0cz3c, before I even saw his list I thought you were suspicious.
0cz3c's behavior becomes slightly difficult to read because in 3/5 games he was acting retarded (if you were in the games, you know what I mean) and as Ver said before, I suspect that the mafia were lying low for most of the game and just watching us hang ourselves.
You posted just enough to not be viewed as inactive, just enough to not help at all, and just enough to fuel some fires. In previous games you did everything you could do to be noticed. Now that you are mafia amid all the sheer chaos that has been going on the last two days, you just tried to stay away from it.
Unfortunately the votes list really don't help us because they were both fucking town :/ So that post on page 75 means almost nothing. Now it seems you are trying to start a new wave of shit when NemY can finally try to use his role check within 24 hours if he is a DT, Caller (according to Ver) is most likely innocent. I don't really know, but not much stood out to me.
and me, the person who accused you a few pages back and I guess is any easy suspect considering my Zerg rush on to Ace? Who knows. Either way they were both innocent, which makes me feel better about being dumb and guided by the chaos, but also makes the town more in trouble.
So L, where are you going from here? I am curious. I think the vigi should just hit 0cz3c. It seems reasonable.
Alright. So you're either a mafia, or a moron. If you're a mafia, then your post makes sense. You could also simply be an idiot who takes posts to be at face value. However, I'll side with the fact that you're mafia (Let me remind everyone, however, that I think he's an idiot, too.) Here's why:
Did you even read my posts in this topic? If you didn't, then you could be simply a moron. If you did, then there are two possibilities. First, you're just not very good at reading. I mean, you'd have to be REALLY bad not to be able to read. Second, you're mafia. In my posts, folks, AND PLEASE READ THIS, I made sure to stick up for nemY and Caller, because I feel that, almost indisputably, they are innocent. I won't reveal why I know this, and I may be just pulling things out of thin air, but I also don't want mafia to merely see exactly what I'm saying and use that to their advantage.
But I guess I have to, since you're mafia....or just brain-dead.
I have defended nemy and caller almost from the start. If I said that at least one of the three could be mafia, and I knew for certain that one was, then, who, I ask you, would I be suggesting? YOU. If you're a townie, then, goddamnit, read between the lines. Consider why I had said what I had said. There is a reason. I even said a medic should protect Caller at night. Think before you speak if you're a moron.
However, I don't think that you're playing the bumbling fool this game (although let's not kid ourselves: you don't need to "play" a bumbling idiot). Your posts have been crap this game. Utter crap. You've said nothing useful, and you've always been wrong. You have simply ignored all serious allegations against you. And because the town has been focused on Ver and Ace, you have gotten away with it.
Accusing me to be vig'd is simply stupid, and I believe the entirety of the town recognizes that. At the start, I was literally the only person making an effort with clue analysis. Of course, it was ignored. Why bother helping a town that simply ignores my posts? It's not worth the effort. I suspect that's why I made an excellent mafia last game, as the majority of the town simply looked past my posts. That's not only detrimental to the town; it's also just plain dumb. Yeah. I feel like I'm playing the Ace card here, and I recognize how ineffective it is, but there simply is no way I could be mafia. You can't even say that Ver's analysis this game is legitimate as he's been playing so poorly. His conclusion that I am mafia (or rather, placing me on a 5/6 or 6/6 list) is wrong. I'll tell you that right now. Lucas is my brother. He would have UNDOUBTEDLY BEEN ABLE TO READ MY REAL FACIAL EXPRESSIONS WHEN BRING FORTH AN INQUISITION. HE WOULD HAVE TOLD SOMEONE. Don't merely be a jackass (and this includes Ver). Ver, have you ever played mafia with a person you've known for 24 hours of a day for 17 years? How about you RoL? No? Haven't seen how obvious it is to tell whether a person is lying based on so many past experiences? No? Then shut up. You're merely derailing the progress of the town.
In all fairness, I didn't think my brother was a BG. I thought he was a medic. I felt convinced that we was protecting somebody. Apparently that much was right.
By the way, I asked you a question to which you never responded. It was an incriminating question, and you refused it's answer. L answered for you. You're more suspicious on my list than anyone else, but, then again, it's always really tough to tell when you're in the mafia, because every game you decide to be stupid. I'm not an idiot; I'm merely mocking the tones or words of another when he/she is being ridiculous. But I'm sure you look past that.
By the way I've never used this strategy when mafia. Why would I? It's the most incriminating thing I could do. The fact that I can write in coherent sentence, something which you, unfortunately, cannot do, should suggest to you that I'm smarter than that. Why the hell would I put myself into the open when I recognize that I don't have to? You guys clearly just ignore me either way. And bear in mind that this is a veteran's game. I'm playing with people who have seen me act this way, and have gotten news of my tendencies. The fact that Ver suspects me as a mafia (or rather suspected) shows to me how poor he is in analyzing what's in front of him correctly (although, I suspect, it's simply that he doesn't have the time he needs).
Behaviorally, therefore, I'm playing the game I ALWAYS DO WHEN I'M A TOWNIE. In relation to Lucas, there is only my innocence, and that should be transparent even to idiots. Clue wise? Well, let's not kid ourselves. Although LTT and Qatol are doing a fantastic job at writing well, you're choosing to look past them. I doubt you could find anything sufficient linking to me? Actually, I'm confident. You know why? It's not there, because I'm not mafia. In fact, to all: anyone who does suggest any clues should be lynched after my death (and by that time, you will sufficiently know that my role is one helpful to you).
It doesn't seem reasonable to vigi me. You know why I voted for Ver? He was playing very poorly, and Mynock was willing to put himself on the chopping block. I initially vote for Ace as mayor, because I assumed that he would play fairly well. But no, that hasn't happened. The only person I think who's actually making a decent effort this game is L, and, if he is indeed mafia, he has me totally fooled.
But what troubles me most is the fact that you even bothered to reply to my post. You usually ignore things, probably because, as you just showed, you can't present any reasonable argument (it's more of a plea ("I think")). There's no reason in those keys typing useless posts. Ace even said at one point (which I said to myself as I was reading it), "Useless" when reading your posts. The only explanation for why you bothered to post is that you panicked. You almost certainly didn't have to. But then again, you could have merely been a stupid townie.
I won't ask the vigilante to kill RoL. It's not confirmed by any means that he's a mafia. We need that one kill. Therefore, I ask the vigilante to think on his own grounds. I feel that he's mafia, but, if I'm wrong, then we've essentially wasted a shot. And the fact that RoL is among the darkest bulbs on the Christmas convinces me that pulling the trigger preemptively (i.e., now) might be a mistake. Let's substitute RoL's impulse with reason, and let's think for a moment.
I'll probably post some more stuff after I finish my papers (which, in case you're wondering, is the reason I haven't been entirely active. I attend a difficult institution, which means that until 4/5 PM, I don't have access to the Internet; furthermore, from 4/5 until I go to sleep, I have my hands full studying, doing homework, and preparing for classes the next day. If you would see through my posts, you'd notice the undeniable consistency of what I just said. (Look at the time. Don't worry: no words, for I know you can't read; only numbers. Then again, since you can't read, you won't read this post either. /sigh)
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On May 22 2009 06:12 HeavOnEarth wrote: I think that L is the traitor. Although his behavior last game was like this( he was mafia) , this game he is openly accusing anyone, everyone if being mafia Now i've been fine with that until Ver AND Ace have turned up BOTH innocent. What , are we going to just keep sitting around as L accuses more innocents and just goes "oops" ? Also, i think he is accusing nemY in hopes of regaining (or refining) the town's trust. That said, nemY should still be lynched
Although i honestly thought as least one was mafia, so meh. collective paranoia from last game screwed us over moreso than L there =/
Yeah, you're mafia.
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You might believe, Bockit?
Doesn't that suggest that you haven't read it? Yup. yes it does.
"but I figured I'd put that out there for everyone to discuss." Thanks. We aleady discussed it. Why bring it up again? Because mafia are hoping to use me as the next object to destroy the town? We fell for it with Ace and Ver; don't you dare attempt to do that here again.
I defended myself adequately BloodyCobbler. Placing suspicions again on me suggests that you're foolish or that you're in the mafia. Really just one or the other. You said your specialty is in clues? Then why the hell do you suck so terribly this game at discerning the meaning of clues? Maybe contribute instead of covering up? Hmmm?
I don't have to speak for my innocence more than I already have. Rather, I think you better start defending yourself. >.>
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On May 22 2009 10:09 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: 1 0cz3c shut the hell up. I said I suspected you a while before I posted that. Coincidentally I posted my thoughts on you AGAIN right after your 3 word post on me. I am at work right now, when I get home sure we can argue.
I admit I was considering you for the vigi hit earlier, but I figure there isn't much clues on you (You don't give much to work with) but we will see if anything more pops up. Theres a chance that theres nothng too distinct yet.
But for now I am okay with the MBH vigi and getting info from nemy.
You said "1." That generally implies that there will be a "2."
By the way, it's that time again: you're posting stupidly. Look at my profile. It's filled with great things to use if I were in the mafia. Latin quote in my public profile. Cicero. In Catilinam. Mystery box. Boat. Mafia thread. Please, RoL. Stop right now. It's either sheer stupidity, or you're mafia.
BloodyCobbler, you're excused if you think I'm mafia and you're not.
RoL, I won't be expecting that post from you. I mean, I know you just lied. Sure, you're at work, and sure, when you get back we can argue. Nothing to argue about. I'm simply presenting a case where you're either mafia or dumb. And the latter has already been verified by you. What is there left to argue?
Me shutting up would, by the way, be against your wishes. Think before you speak. I've been relatively inactive? Generally useless? Posting enough merely to give the appearance that I've gotten by? Ringing a bell?
Maybe you should post something after you [wink] get back from work. I won't be expecting it, as I suspect it's merely a dodge. But I'll be glad if I see it. Maybe by that time you'll have had more time to think over or read over your thoughts.
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On May 22 2009 10:06 BloodyC0bbler wrote: When day 3 pops up, I can start to do reliable analysis, much like camlito, plexa, mtf become reliable. I am not a behavioural analysis by trade, I have no strong ability. Overall however, you are playing shadily, hopefully we get lucky and as of the day post that clears up.
As for my innocence, I've been working with one of the town circles since the game started, trying to sort this crap out. I tried to prevent the useless discord between ace/L at the start as i saw where it was going, then you lynched the head of the circle i was in.
My defense lies in the fact I've been working with a dt, vet, and vig trying to get a town movement against the mafia going, and thanks to the works of players much like yourself, we have a vig who most likely will die, a dead vet, and a dt no one will believe.
Excuse me if i dont believe you when you say your innocent, especially after your insanely insanely sketchy % post earlier in this thread.
Stop lying. I know in this very thread you said that your strength is clue analysis. I can find it if you so wish. When I read it, I laughed, because I had realized that you had not posted any useful in terms of clues. Apparently, you had no intention of even doing that. No, you refuse to even acknowledge that that's what I said. Again, you can't read, like RoL, or you're mafia. I said nothing about behavioral analysis to you. Nothing. Sorry. Wrong.
I'm sure you've been working with a circle. Not even sarcastic there. Probably couldn't tell, right?
Thanks for blaming me. And, if you're not blaming me, then you're distancing yourself from the town (you're characterizing the town as "you" as opposed to "the town" or "we"). Can't blame me; I trusted Mynock, and Ver played very poorly. If you decide to say that you're distancing yourself from the town, I'd argue that it was a Freudian slip. Behaviorally, you're coming closer to a mafia now. Good work. I like it. Thanks. You're really helping me sift through "this crap."
You're as dumb as RoL if you took my % seriously. Or mafia. It was a joke. Did you see anything similar several pages before mine? No? Didn't read the thread? Yes? Then why choose to ignore it in what I can't even call an argument (your post is just jabber)? You should probably just stick with hosting games.
"My defense lies in the fact I've been working with a dt, vet, and vig trying to get a town movement against the mafia going, and thanks to the works of players much like yourself, we have a vig who most likely will die, a dead vet, and a dt no one will believe."
See this is just a fantastic defense. You know, I too have been working with a vet, a DT, a BG, and a vig. But not the ones with whom you've been working. This proves nothing. And you know it. A mafia could very well be working with a blue. And you, above all, know it. Qatol did it for 2 DAYS LAST GAME AGAINST VIVI. Remember that? Or are you choosing to exclude that from your argument? That's not a defense. Sorry. In fact, it's just a declaration that could very well be incriminating.
Now, how have I directly led to the death of a vigilante? I'd say it's more your work that death is imminent. You have, after all, been working WITH the vigilante. Surely the anonymity that must come would not have been overlooked, hmmm?
Who, by the way, do you mean when you say, "A DT no one will believe?"
Rule: 1. You must answer the question 2. If you say who I think you will, you will never participate in another mafia game again (mainly due to the fact that you can't or choose not to read).
Fair enough?
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On May 22 2009 10:06 BloodyC0bbler wrote: When day 3 pops up, I can start to do reliable analysis, much like camlito, plexa, mtf become reliable. I am not a behavioural analysis by trade, I have no strong ability. Overall however, you are playing shadily, hopefully we get lucky and as of the day post that clears up.
As for my innocence, I've been working with one of the town circles since the game started, trying to sort this crap out. I tried to prevent the useless discord between ace/L at the start as i saw where it was going, then you lynched the head of the circle i was in.
My defense lies in the fact I've been working with a dt, vet, and vig trying to get a town movement against the mafia going, and thanks to the works of players much like yourself, we have a vig who most likely will die, a dead vet, and a dt no one will believe.
Excuse me if i dont believe you when you say your innocent, especially after your insanely insanely sketchy % post earlier in this thread.
Updated percentages.
Mafia Percentages (Plus/Minus 2 percentage points for total accuracy) 1. Caller - 36% 2. Incognito - 34% 3. scamp - 14% 4. scaramanga - 0% 5. bloodyc0bbler - 31% 6. fishball - 19% 7. nemy - 78% 8. fusionsdf - 67% 9. Ver - 100% 10. bockit - 0% 11. plexa - 70% 12. camlito - 82% 13. showtime! - 20% 14. mikeymoo - 45% 15. dreamflower - 47% 16. ace - 9% 17. infundibulum - 43% 18. vivi57 - 38% 19. mynock - 28% 20. lucaswoj - 35% 21. amber[light] - 39% 22. rebirthoflegend - 0% 23. MTF - 0% 24. 0cz3c - 0% 25. infinity21 - 87% 26. heavonearth - 95% 27. Tricode - 0% 28. Malongo - 0% 29. MrBabyHands - 69% 30. L - 63% 31??? LTT 1%
Chances that the person is NOT mafia (plus/minus say...1 percentage points) 1. Caller - 64% 2. Incognito - 66% 3. scamp - 86% 4. scaramanga - 100% 5. bloodyc0bbler - 69% 6. fishball - 50% 7. nemy - 36% 8. fusionsdf - 70% 9. Ver - 0% 10. bockit - 100% 11. plexa - 17% 12. camlito - 43% 13. showtime! - 19% 14. mikeymoo - 61% 15. dreamflower - 54% 16. ace - 91% 17. infundibulum - 85% 18. vivi57 - 42% 19. mynock - 28% 20. lucaswoj - 68% 21. amber[light] - 59% 22. rebirthoflegend - 100% 23. MTF - 100% 24. 0cz3c - 100% 25. infinity21 - ~30% 26. heavonearth - 23% 27. Tricode - 100% 28. Malongo - 100% 29. MrBabyHands - 25% 30. L - 34% 31???! LTT - 99%
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On May 23 2009 04:09 MrBabyHands wrote:In the interest of keeping the town on track for once, I will be outting mafia in small numbers instead of one big post calling out names-- in past games, that has just caused the town to start pointing fingers yet again and the votes end up split all over the place. So I will list my newest top suspect (caller was my last top suspect. he didnt last. nobody can withstand the babyhands. But to quickly address tricode's inquiries: + Show Spoiler +L protected me last night. I decided to contact L several hours after the ace and ver debacle when there were talks of vigi'ing me. After figuring out his role I PMed L my top suspects in case i died. I also asked for medic protection because i was certain dreamflower would target me and all my analysis would be lost before it was complete (i dont post my accusations until i'm positive AND have proof to back it up.)
L agreed with my suspects list. Shortly before the night was over, apparently he got in contact with dreamflower (even asked for her in the thread). I guess he managed to convince her to hit caller instead. And now here we are. No L, no df-- just me with my info and a bullseye on the reds.
I never actually asked L to post in the thread tho-- that was all him.
Here we go ----------------When compiling evidence, i find it useful to concentrate on 3 areas: Suspicious behavior, suspicious voting, and suspicious clues. Caller had all 3. and now someone else does-- 0cz3c. Suspicious behavior: + Show Spoiler +First, theres this post: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=93286¤tpage=77#1528By the way, at least one of the following three is mafia.
Caller RebirthofLegend nemY
I may be simply pulling this out of my ass. However, 0cz3c's senses are tingling. Its not the fact that he actually listed a mafia in there (caller), but that he makes no attempt to even justify it. "senses are tingling"-- even i dont do that. Senses mean nothing without proof, and this just makes no sense. To add, if you read the post right above that, 0cz3c is lashing out at malongo for suggesting that they discuss who to vigi, including a list of names, one of which was 0cz3c. A wise old man once told me "A hit dog will holler." Earlier in the game, he sad: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=93286¤tpage=45#891Caller should be getting protection from at least one medic, by the way. come on y'all... look at that shit. In retrospect its pretty blatant isnt it? moving right along. Next, suspicous voting: + Show Spoiler + Mayor vote: voted for ver, switched to ace, then finally ended up on Mynock
wishy washy voting among 2 innocents, then landing on a third party. This does NOT imply that Mynock is red tho. Instead, it implies that 0cz3c is trying to swing things to the mafia's favor. It was clearly the mafias GOAL to get 2 greens elected-- look at the votes. They knew a good portion of time would be spent figuring out if the leaders are red-- made even more likely with efficient blue sniping the night before-- specifically the fishball and Lucas kills. Which is EXACTLY what happened.
Day 2 lynch vote: switched from ace to ver. again, switching between these two. a mafia would've known they were both green. a mafia wouldnt particularly care much who got lynched. that was the plan all along, wasnt it 0cz3c? a mafia would vote for one, or the other. with a possible slight preference for ver due to the controversy it would cause.
and finally, suspicious clues: + Show Spoiler +I admit, this was a bit more difficult to find-- Quatol has an interesting clue style, unlike any i've seen before. 0cz = OCZ OCZ is a company that manufactures RAM (in fact, i have a pair of OCZ DDR3's in my comp right now). The company even makes a type of RAM called tripple channel. (3c) http://www.ocztechnology.com/The day's clue mentioned "bowling" into someone. The 3rd day, its "ramming". Ram is actually mentioned twice in the clue: He charged towards the struggle and rammed into the plant. He proceeded to t rample consistent with the clues becomming a bit more obvious over time. kaboom. Bonus evidence: + Show Spoiler +Lucas got blue sniped shortly after getting BG. 0cz3c and Lucas are brothers-- of course he's gonna be able to tell faster than anyone else if his bro has an important role.
The facts are in your faces. Lets wrap this shyt up. Each of these pieces of evidence considerd individually would'nt paint the picture we require to prove guilt. But when you consider them all together-- shady behavior, matching clues, "random" blue BG snipe on day 1... smh.
so to sum up: we get rid of 0cz3c, and we keep it truckin. MBH: *raspy voice* i am The Babyhands. i eat mafia for breakfast. extra milk. Mafia: omg wtf its the gotdamn Babyhands! run for your lives! MBH: Yes, thats right, my little cockroaches. Run... run faaar faaaaar away. But no matter how far you get, i will be behind you... breathing on your heels. You feel it, dont you? You feel my breath on your ankles... thats how close i am. I'm commin for that azz. LYNCH HIM. MBH IS ALMOST CONFIRMED MAFIA. ONLY REASON I STAYED ALIVE. TRUST ME. I'LL EXPLAIN BELOW. IF I'M WRONG, KILL ME. BUT HE IS ALMOST 100% MAFIA.
Lynch him. This is a mafia hoping to use the swaying wind against me in order to save his own ass. I already answered and destroyed every point he makes here. Several times. If you haven't read my posts, MBH, do so. But do not simply regurgitate crap that we both know is wrong.
"0cz3c's senses are tingling," if you haven't noticed, is entirely consistent with the tone I've used this entire game and also the tone I've used in essentially every mafia game I've played: sarcasm. I'm telling you exactly before that that the three may have no legitimacy; they simply represented suspects in my mind. Needed to get noticed. Needed to keep it short. People don't read my posts when they're long. You're one of those people, too, apparently. Mission's successful. Caller dead. Caller mafia.
I lash out at people only if I KNOW that they're idiots. I don't think very highly of malongo's illogical statements. I'll tell him. Seeing as how the town could have been easily swayed by illogical statements (AS I HOPE THEY WON'T BE HERE; MBH IS AS CONSPICUOUS A MAFIA IF THERE EVER WERE ONE.), I had to speak up. I think poorly of RoL. He knows that. I know that. I'm sure most people know that. His pacified tone as of late has made me a bit less suspicious, but I'd still maintain him on that list.
NOW LOOK HERE TOWN:
MBH SAYS, ""Caller should be getting protection from at least one medic, by the way. " come on y'all... look at that shit. In retrospect its pretty blatant isnt it?
moving right along."
HE SAYS NOTHING. HE DOES NOT ANALYZE. HE POINTS OUT WHAT I HAVE ALREADY STATED MANY MANY TIMES IN MY ANALYSIS. HE'S LITERALLY GOING THROUGH A POST AND COPY AND PASTING THINGS. THEN HE SAYS, "moving right along," having said nothing, not planning to say anything, just simply hoping to save his own ass. I ASK ALL TOWNIES TO VOTE FOR HIM; I WILL TO MODKILL MYSELF IF HE IS NOT MAFIA (If I don't, and he's not, then you'll know I'm not mafia).
MOVING ON.
MY VOTING.
I Voted only for whom I thought would be least likely mafia. At first, I thought it was Ver. His post made sense; it didn't seem like the Ver of last game. But then Ace ran for candidacy, and I thought that he more clearly represented a townie; in fact, I felt it was fairly obvious at the time I voted that he was a townie. His posting changed, and, for some reason, votes piled up for him. This terrified me. I spoke with Lucas about it, and he told me that he felt confident that Mynock was a townie (by the way Bockit, I lashed out at you because you insinuated that I was willing to manipulate my brother: you should have expected that.). So, sure, I thought. I trust my brother. Mynock doesn't have many votes. He's not really campaigning. VERY SAFE CHOICE.
The fact that you, AN ALMOST CONFIRMED MAFIA, say this, "This does NOT imply that Mynock is red tho." TERRIFIES ME. THIS MEANS THAT WE HAVE TO RECONSIDER MYNOCK (IF DTS ALREADY HAVE, FORGIVE ME. I'm not in any circle.)
THIS IS UTTER SHIT (FIRST TIME I'VE HAD TO USE THIS WORD) AND EVERYONE KNOWS IT. READ. "It was clearly the mafias GOAL to get 2 greens elected-- look at the votes. They knew a good portion of time would be spent figuring out if the leaders are red-- made even more likely with efficient blue sniping the night before-- specifically the fishball and Lucas kills. Which is EXACTLY what happened."
WHAT? Are you for real? Even you must see how absurd a claim it is? Although you're mafia, this is REALLY THE BEST you could do? I mean. A self-fulfilling prophecy.
AGAIN, read my posts. HE SAID, "Day 2 lynch vote: switched from ace to ver."
I ALREADY EXPLAINED THIS. I voted for Ver because Mynock was willing to put himself on the lynching block. I voted against Ver because Ver was playing stupidly. That's undeniable. He counted Caller as an almost confirmed innocent. I wouldn't be shocked if he's wrong about many more. Certainly wrong about me. He turned up green. I'll admit it was wrong to vote for Ver, but, of the candidates at that time, he was undeniably the most sketchy.
"that was the plan all along, wasnt it 0cz3c? " I DON'T KNOW YOU TELL ME. YOU'RE FABRICATING ALMOST OBVIOUS LIES. DO YOU HONESTLY THINK I'LL BE THE ONLY PERSON TO SEE RIGHT THROUGH THEM.
BUT THANKS SO MUCH FOR CLINCHING IT WITH YOUR CLUES.
"I admit, this was a bit more difficult to find-- Quatol has an interesting clue style, unlike any i've seen before." SEE, YOU'RE LOOKING FOR THEM. YOU'RE LOOKING FOR CLUES THAT LINK TO ME. ALREADY A MISTAKE. FIRST RULE OF CRIMINAL PROFILING. AND YOU KNOW WHY THEY'RE DIFFICULT TO FIND, TOWN? BECAUSE THEY AREN'T THERE. LITERALLY. NO CLUE WILL LINK TO ME. I HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE. I'LL MORE THAN WILLINGLY SHARE MY PROFILE WITH YOU GUYS.
0cz3c = oczec . Comes from the Polish word Ojciec, which means father. Now it's simply the ID I use. But consider this: why would LTT and Qatol use my name when my profile provides so much juicy information?
Here's my profile: "A boat is a boat. A mystery box can be anything -- it can even be a boat! "The Mafia Forum Is Alive: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/index.php?show_part=31 "" The first part "A boat is a boat. A mystery box can be anything -- it can even be a boat!" comes from Family Guy. People chooses a mysterybox over a boat. The latter is a link to this topic (r rather, forum).
Wealth of stuff to use. Boat. Mystery. Box. Ambiguity. Mafia Thread. And you honestly think Qatol and LTT would choose my name? NO.
Now onto my public profile: It's in Latin. Since people don't seem to know it, I'll happily translate. It's from Cicero's In Catilinam. In 63 BC, there was a conspiracy against the Roman state. Catiline, an aristocrat who had failed in his run for consul the third time that year, had enough. Cicero got wave of the conspiracy, and he echoed four speeches against Catiline. This one, I believe is from his Second Speech. I may be wrong. It's been two years since I've read the passage.
"Num negas audes? Quid taces? Convincam, si negas; video enim esse hic quosdam qui tecum una fuerunt. O di immortales!"
You don't dare to deny it, do you? Why are you silent? I will convict/condemn/prosecute you, if you deny it; for I see that here there are certain men who were together with you. Oh immortal gods!
That's what it means literally. Very, very, very accurate translation. Any questions about it, PM me or ask me in the topic.
There. Woof. That's a lot to choose from. In fact, I don't see why my name would be the choice.
Now see, this right here is an immediate stretch. "0cz = OCZ" You're cutting part of my name; not only that, you're also changing it. That's wrong. Definitely. TOWN PLEASE SEE THIS.
And then you connect it with something very nebulous....PARTS OF A WORD? ARE YOU FOR REAL? WHAT THE HELL? THIS ISN'T CLUE SEARCHING. THIS IS COVERING UP. THIS IS LITERALLY PLEASE LYNCH SOMEONE I HAVE NO CLUES OR ANY EVIDENCE AGAINST BECAUSE I'M THE MOST OBVIOUS MAFIA HERE. JUST DO IT THIS DAY SO I GET AWAY WITH IT FOR ONE DAY.
I MEAN, READ, "He charged towards the struggle and rammed into the plant. He proceeded to trample" PARTS OF A WORD TO LINK TO RAM TO LINK TO PART OF A NAME. SURE, GIVE ME 30 SECONDS, I CAN FIND THE SAME CRAP ABOUT EVERY SINGLE PERSON IN THIS THREAD.
TOWN, THIS IS AS CLEAR A MAFIA AS HE CAN BE. MYBABYHANDS IS MAFIA. LYNCH HIM. TRICODE IS ALSO PROBABLY MAFIA, AS HE'S DEFENDING THE LEGITIMACY OF SUCH INCREDIBLE STUPIDITY ALMOST IMMEDIATELY. I BEG YOU TO VOTE AGAINST HIM. HE IS ALMOST 100% MAFIA. I WILL MODKILL MYSELF RIGHT NOW. AND I WILL ASK QATOL OR LTT TO SHOW IT IN WRITING (THAT I'M MAKING THE CONTRACT).
READ MY POST, PLEASE.
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FOR THOSE WHO WILL NOT READ, MYBABYHANDS IS ALMOST CERTAINLY MAFIA.
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Oh, and I missed this.
"Lucas got blue sniped shortly after getting BG. 0cz3c and Lucas are brothers-- of course he's gonna be able to tell faster than anyone else if his bro has an important role.
The facts are in your faces. Lets wrap this shyt up. Each of these pieces of evidence considerd individually would'nt paint the picture we require to prove guilt. But when you consider them all together-- shady behavior, matching clues, "random" blue BG snipe on day 1... smh."
TOWN- I explained this sufficiently in my previous posts. Mafia are apparently deciding that they will stick to this. IF I WERE MAFIA, DON'T YOU THINK LUCAS WOULD HAVE GOTTEN WIND OF IT, SINCE YOU'RE CLAIMING I WOULD HAVE BEEN ABLE TO SEE THAT HE'S BG? SURELY IT WORKS BOTH WAYS. DON'T BUY THIS UTTER CRAP.
"The facts are in your faces. Lets wrap this shyt up. Each of these pieces of evidence considerd individually would'nt paint the picture we require to prove guilt. But when you consider them all together-- shady behavior, matching clues, "random" blue BG snipe on day 1... smh."
THE problem with this is that the facts are not in your face. I more than sufficiently explained and destroyed every sketchy argument you just presented. Next time try harder when you're trying to incriminate the innocent. Tenuous arguments won't work.
"Each of these pieces of evidence considerd individually would'nt paint the picture we require to prove guilt. "
Unfortunately, neither do they here. AND YOU KNOW IT.
"smh" AND THIS IS ALL YOU CAN SAY. THIS. THIS IS YOUR CONCLUSION. THANKS FOR PRESENTING MY CASE.
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BY THE WAY, I WILL MODKILL MYSELF TONIGHT PROVIDED THAT MBH IS NOT MAFIA. I HAVE ALREADY PM'D LTT.
VOTE FOR MBH. HE IS ALMOST ABSOLUTE MAFIA.
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On May 23 2009 06:50 nemY wrote: Can we remove self-requested modkills from the game? This is starting to become bullshit...
If you're the DT, scan me. If you're mafia, which means that you're complaining because you realize that you've lost a strategy, then be quiet. Discuss it after the game. CAN'T CHANGE RULES DURING A GAME.
If I'm mafia, town, then I'M TELLING YOU I'M WILLING TO KILL MYSELF TODAY. AND YOU GET THE CHOICE OF TWO MORE POTENTIAL MAFIAS. IF MBH IS NOT MAFIA, I WILL MODKILL MYSELF. IF YOU ARE IN THE TOWN, THEN PROVE IT BY VOTING FOR MBH. HE IS ALMOST CERTAINLY MAFIA. LOOK AT HIS POSTING; HIS TENUOUS STRATEGY AGAINST ME.
ANYONE WHO REPUDIATES MY CLAIMS LOOK AT VERY CAREFULLY IF I AM TO BE LYNCHED. BECAUSE MBH IS CLEARLY MAFIA. PLEASE DO THE RIGHT THING.
I'd be careful nemY, you're still on my list of potential suspects.
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As a caution: MBH might be the GF.
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On May 23 2009 07:42 Qatol wrote: Ok I'm going to discuss modkills one more time. I am going to stick with my implementation from earlier in the game as well as the rules which go along with them. They will be discussed at length after this game, but I do not want to change the rules of the game midway through if at all possible.
First of all, no deals. No "please modkill me if X happens." This was stated with Ver and I am stating it again. If you request to be modkilled, you will immediately be killed. I have decided that conditional modkills are not fair play and thus have disallowed them.
Second of all, please be aware of what getting modkilled entails for you. (From the rules) Anyone who is modkilled may not play in one of my games until they have proven themselves to be active players in another game (one such as Pyrrhuloxia's). I am hoping the next host will back me up on enforcement of this rule, thus disallowing anyone who gets modkilled from playing in the next veteran game. Other consequences may be agreed upon in the future as well, but that was the only thing I could think up at the time.
0cz3c, if you still wish to use potentially getting yourself modkilled as a persuasive tool, I will not stop you. However, please be aware of what it entails.
Please note that Ver agreed to these conditions when he was modkilled.
I accept the following conditions (but I do not wish to be modkilled right now. I'll request it definitively if MBH does not show up red.). I will definitively ask for one then, and I will accept all the consequences.
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On May 23 2009 08:04 MrBabyHands wrote:i'm not gonna argue with you, little man. type as much as you wish. my track record speaks for itself. i havent been wrong about a mafia in the 3 games i've played on here. never. not even once. in fact, i dont recall an instance where i whiffed an analysis of ANYbody in the public thread. when i show my cards, they're right. period. i'm just that good. can you do that? are you as good as me? i'm serious-- these aren't rhetorical questions. look, man. face it, you just got babyhanded. you've been inducted into the babyhand club. members get a free t-shirt.
Everyone.... DO YOU SEE THIS?
Do you see how we responds to a logical argument? He confesses he has nothing to say. He confesses that he will not argue with me. Because he can't. His only response is that he's:" Never been wrong before." You know what that sounds like? That sounds like he's desperate. He's hoping that we stop discussion about me now, as he completely exposed himself. He doesn't even say that he's not mafia. HE DOESN'T EVEN DENY THAT. WHY NOT? BECAUSE HE IS.
Showtime, don't tell me to calm down when people like Tricode are saying that he's not entirely sure that MBH is mafia. It can't possibly be any clearer. The fact that people aren't seeing it justifies any anger I may be showing.
MBH said this: "can you do that? are you as good as me? i'm serious-- these aren't rhetorical questions." Yes. Yes I can. I just did. And I believe I have found at least two more mafia just in today's day. Time will tell. Thanks for asking me a question that's not rhetorical; in doing so, you gave me to opportunity to answer what you didn't want answered.
Then again, this is essentially the only argument you could possibly use. If I were mafia, you'd have much stronger behavioral analysis, clues, and reason. But you know it. And I know it. And any person with a brain will know it. If you're not in the mafia, you will know it. Showtime, I sure hope you have a brain.
This really is the only thing you can say. You have to resort to it:"look, man. face it, you just got babyhanded. you've been inducted into the babyhand club.
members get a free t-shirt.
" and you know it.
Please, everyone, read his posts, and, read my posts on Page 84. It should be transparent even to a moron that he's a mafia. And I will modkill myself granted that he does not turn up red. But he will.
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On May 23 2009 08:36 Qatol wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2009 08:27 0cz3c wrote:On May 23 2009 07:42 Qatol wrote: Ok I'm going to discuss modkills one more time. I am going to stick with my implementation from earlier in the game as well as the rules which go along with them. They will be discussed at length after this game, but I do not want to change the rules of the game midway through if at all possible.
First of all, no deals. No "please modkill me if X happens." This was stated with Ver and I am stating it again. If you request to be modkilled, you will immediately be killed. I have decided that conditional modkills are not fair play and thus have disallowed them.
Second of all, please be aware of what getting modkilled entails for you. (From the rules) Anyone who is modkilled may not play in one of my games until they have proven themselves to be active players in another game (one such as Pyrrhuloxia's). I am hoping the next host will back me up on enforcement of this rule, thus disallowing anyone who gets modkilled from playing in the next veteran game. Other consequences may be agreed upon in the future as well, but that was the only thing I could think up at the time.
0cz3c, if you still wish to use potentially getting yourself modkilled as a persuasive tool, I will not stop you. However, please be aware of what it entails.
Please note that Ver agreed to these conditions when he was modkilled. I accept the following conditions (but I do not wish to be modkilled right now. I'll request it definitively if MBH does not show up red.). I will definitively ask for one then, and I will accept all the consequences. I'd require a formal PM anyways.
I will give you one granted that my conditions happen to occur. I give the town my word and my honor.
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On May 23 2009 08:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Most clues, like most games, although don’t always use how a person was killed as a clue, they typically do so I will be concentrating on that for now. Day 1 “Chuiu toppled to the deck. LTT and Qatol picked up the bodies and threw them overboard into the shark-infested waters. They breathed a sigh of relief, but it was short lived. LTT turned just as something bowled into him, knocking him down into the now crimson waters. Qatol turned to see what was happening when a voice spoke from behind him.” Here we have first off, mafia bodies disposed of to ravenous sharks, then, ltt is bowled into the water which leads to his death as well. When it comes to this I believe the link could possibly be PLEXA Why you ask? If you google his signature “Spirit will set you free” it will bring you to a tl page here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=81492¤tpage=3On that page has a picture of a shark, as well as a man with his hands outstretched, Upon closer consideration you see it’s a livecast match, between mbc and lecaf. That picture matchup is of shark vs jaedong, who has been nicknamed kitty for this instance. What do cats to when they attack someone, pounce or leap, and if they hit someone it could bowl them forward. Going with the style of cat clue as well, SCAMP has a cat in his profile (same sort of link of cat bowling people over) as well as his name meaning “1 : rascal, rogue 2 : an impish or playful young person” an impish or playful person or a rogue/rascal could fight someone by charging them and pushing them, as watching someone fall into water would be amusing to them. Now for death 2 day 1 “Qatol turned to face this new threat, but was unable to locate the speaker. Suddenly, Qatol saw a blur as his assailant leapt at him, planting a knife in Qatol's chest. LTT's attacker came over and helped push Qatol into the water with the others.” We see again the falling into the water (all bodies fed to sharks) which could refer to plexa but I doubt it. We have instead, someone who qatol couldn’t see, then lept out at him. This would seem to me that he would be either a small man, or invisible. As I doubt anyone is invisible iw ould go for a small man. For the most part. This could link to HEAVONEARTH as in his profile he has linked to his mybrute page. Mybrutes are small, tiny warriors, so leaping up into a taller qatol and killing him wouldn’t be so unexpected. As well, his specific brute has ability to run fast and charge, leaving a blurry trail behind him. MRBABYHANDS possibly as baby would imply small. Day 2 analysis “LucasWoJ was fully injected, but he could still hear the brutality even as he fled. The assailant bellowed again and started slamming the now empty syringe into LucasWoJ's face repeatedly until his face caved in and the only sounds left were guttural yells, the squishy impacts, and the sound of blood splatter. Come morning, there would be little above the neck that could identify LucasWoJ's corpse.” Day 3 post confirms this was caller. Next death “Meanwhile, the second intruder, initially transfixed by the brutal killing, suddenly remembered that there was another target and began the hunt. He climbed the stairs and poked his head into each of the bedrooms but couldn't find anyone. After passing the set of curtains with a conspicuous pair of shoes sticking out for the third time, he heard mikeymoo sneeze. He turned around and shot both feet, causing mikeymoo to fall from his hiding place. The man approached the writhing mikeymoo, dropped his gun, and grabbed one of his fingers. He slowly put pressure on it until it snapped and mikeymoo let out a scream that dwarfed any sounds he had made before. The attacker continued until he ran out of fingers upon which time he pulled out a knife and stabbed mikeymoo in the throat. As his life left him, mikeymoo chuckled at the absurdity of the knife solving the problem of his hoarse, sore throat.” This entire sequence has the feeling of a sense of surrealness. Someone who remembered there was another person to kill. So he went and looked into bedrooms, one at a time. Finds his target and attacks, first immobilizing them, then cruely torturing before the final kill. A link to this could be TRICODE quotation “1 2, he is coming for you” line which is a reference to freddy krugar. Who is a serial killer, who kills people. So one room at a time he persued his victim, till he found him, and slowly killed him. Many others have commented earlier how they thought this might point to dreamflower as it seemed to be like a dream, well, freddy killed people in dreams. Also connection to SCARAMANGA. As he stopped to observe the first attack before he moved on to his own victim. One of the people in profile referenced is kangmin, ie nal_ra who is currently a commentator in korea, hense he would stop to watch. He also has by.flash or young ho and Shine or sang won listed. Both of which are players who would pursue their opponent to the end, preventing them from being able to fight them again. Breaking of the fingers could symbolize the inability of mikeymoo to ever compete against them in their sport again? Weak link but exists Kill 3 “In a different part of town, Fishball was running for his life. His left arm was hanging uselessly at his side, the result of a blow from the man calmly following him. Fishball finally reached the tool shed behind his house. He started fumbling with the lock in an attempt to get the axe inside. He got the door open in time for a kick from his pursuer to knock him to the floor. Fishball coughed while the other man surveyed the inside of the shed. Having made his selection, the attacker grabbed one of the tools leaning against the inside of the shed and kneeled down next to Fishball. "This would have been a lot less painful for you if you had faced me like a man. You need to develop a stronger backbone; I am going to help you with that," quipped the hit man. He then shoved the rake in his hand into Fishball from behind, handle first, as far as he could. He left Fishball flailing on the ground, coming to terms with his newfound confidence but lacking the strength to do anything with it except die.” I would suggest that this links to REBIRTHOFLEGEND. He has a quotation of a ban by hot_bid “Reason: I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want. If you want to troll, I can tell you I have no patience for that. But what I do have are a very particular set of skills; skills I have acquired over a very long moderation career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you stop the stupidity now, that'll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you. But if you don't, in one week, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will ban you.” This would suggest to me that he is possibly red. As Fishball was sporting a limped arm, much like he ad been warned once before? Then because he didn’t learn, he is chased, and killed, and at the end makes it seem as if he learned the error of his ways. Day 3 First kill “"Well, if you aren't going to cook anything for us..." The smaller man snapped his fingers and infundibulum burst into flames.” Possible linkage to TRICODE, as freddy Krueger kills people in dreams by bursting them into flames. Possible link to HEAVONEARTH as of his tiny mybrute, and I know grenades are weapons in that game, REBIRTHOFLEGEND as in the sense of the poem he has it ends with explode, something could have burst and lit infundi on fire. Second kill “L hunched in the corner of the freezer, trying to make himself as small as possible. The banging on the freezer door was only interrupted by infundibulum's screams. The screams went from muffled to painfully loud as the larger man finally managed to solve the problem posed by the door. He quickly spotted L and started punching him repeatedly. Surprisingly, the blows didn't seem to hurt L as much as he had expected. With the hope of escape now flashing before him, L looked for something to ward off the attacker. He immediately noticed that infundibulum had clearly not defrosted the freezer in months. He was thankful. He broke off one of the icicles and tried to stab his attacker's face with it, but he couldn’t figure out exactly where to stab. L was trying to sort out his confusion when a blow from a blunt object crushed his head. L toppled to the floor. The larger man left the door ajar as he left, ensuring that the freezer would get its long overdue defrosting.” This fight reminds of a HEAVONEARTH, as well, mybrute character, runs in attacks and punches, hes smaller so his fists wouldn’t do the type of damage you would expect. Next, because of his size, you would have a harder time hitting him. The death could also link to TRICODE. This is because the death happened in 3 stages, the first two times fail, and the third succeeds. 1st time when L flees, second when his first hit fails to kill L, third time when he finishes L off just before he is stabbed by an icicle. This could point to him as well. Third kill was on caller by dreamflower, im assuming we can skip it. I would also note Last kill “Someone exited the hotel into the garden in time to see this struggle unfold. He charged towards the struggle and rammed into the plant. The jaws unclenched and Caller’s bones spilled to the ground. Letting out a cry, the would-be savior pulled on the stem until the plant was uprooted. He proceeded to trample dreamflower until only green goo remained.” Not entirely sure on this one.
Ok. You're getting more and more suspicious BloodyCobbler. Better start defending yourself.
Ok. I'll read through this thoroughly.
However, this post is INCREDIBLY SUSPICIOUS.
YOU'RE EVADING MY POST ABOUT MBH. COMPLETELY.
You essentially dismiss him as a suspect. You say that your clue to him, which would presumably be correct, is only tenuous.
And look how long that post is. Unnecessarily long. I suspect that there's very little legitimate content.
TOWN READ. This is what I did last game. Several times when Camlito or Ace made very revealing posts and exposed several mafia, I would always proceed with an extremely large post that would indirectly dismiss what they had said. Why? Because it would force the page to move on. Perhaps someone not in realtime would think that the discussion has moved on as well. It worked brilliantly last game (I mean to say, it was not just me, it was every mafia's strategy). You witnessed that. I mean, you're playing by the cards we played last game. I already mentioned that. And you keep doing it. Here, there it is again.
It worked in the previous game, and you're hoping it works here. Look, your post addresses nothing that's been discussed in the previous page. Why not? And you don't even acknowledge it. That's because it's in the mafia's best interest to cover up what has just been exposed. Now I'm even more convinced that MBH is mafia. I'll be placing my second vote on you unless you can satisfactorily explain why you interrupted a discussion that could have only helped the town.
I'll read your analysis, but I suspect it will be crap. Although, as you yourself say, clue analysis is your specialty. Let's see if that was a lie as well. Heh.
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On May 23 2009 09:01 Malongo wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2009 08:54 0cz3c wrote:On May 23 2009 08:36 Qatol wrote:On May 23 2009 08:27 0cz3c wrote:On May 23 2009 07:42 Qatol wrote: Ok I'm going to discuss modkills one more time. I am going to stick with my implementation from earlier in the game as well as the rules which go along with them. They will be discussed at length after this game, but I do not want to change the rules of the game midway through if at all possible.
First of all, no deals. No "please modkill me if X happens." This was stated with Ver and I am stating it again. If you request to be modkilled, you will immediately be killed. I have decided that conditional modkills are not fair play and thus have disallowed them.
Second of all, please be aware of what getting modkilled entails for you. (From the rules) Anyone who is modkilled may not play in one of my games until they have proven themselves to be active players in another game (one such as Pyrrhuloxia's). I am hoping the next host will back me up on enforcement of this rule, thus disallowing anyone who gets modkilled from playing in the next veteran game. Other consequences may be agreed upon in the future as well, but that was the only thing I could think up at the time.
0cz3c, if you still wish to use potentially getting yourself modkilled as a persuasive tool, I will not stop you. However, please be aware of what it entails.
Please note that Ver agreed to these conditions when he was modkilled. I accept the following conditions (but I do not wish to be modkilled right now. I'll request it definitively if MBH does not show up red.). I will definitively ask for one then, and I will accept all the consequences. I'd require a formal PM anyways. Because I have utter confidence that I'm right. If I modkill myself now, then MBH WILL get away with this. No one else will speak up, I'm sure, or the mafia will attempt to quell discussion, as BC has seemed to have done just now. I will give you one granted that my conditions happen to occur. I give the town my word and my honor. Give me a second. Why dont you modkill now? If you flip townie we lynch MBH. OK?
Nevermind, I did say it. Just in the quote.
Because I have utter confidence that I'm right. If I modkill myself now, then MBH WILL get away with this. No one else will speak up, I'm sure, or the mafia will attempt to quell discussion, as BC has seemed to have done just now.
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Scamp, I think I'm fine. Thanks for the concern, though.
Qatol: " 0cz3c, if you still wish to use potentially getting yourself modkilled as a persuasive tool, I will not stop you. However, please be aware of what it entails."
If I am offending you Qatol, then I sincerely apologize. The fact that the town has not yet begun pouring votes for someone very clearly a mafia tells me that I have to use this persuasion.
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On May 23 2009 09:16 Showtime! wrote: So because I ask you to calm the fuck down I'm mafia? Please bud. Wall of texts won't get us anywhere.
I've read what you had to say and I'm trying to go over my clue/behaviour interpretations as we speak.
I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with what you said. I have a ton of shit to go over and your long ass posts aren't helping.
I don't want deja vu, i.e. Ace and Ver V.S. L. Enough blues blood has been spilled.
If I indirectly accused you of being mafia, it wasn't intentional. It doesn't express my current views. I also don't think I stated that you're disagreeing with my views. That's not really my point. Your decision is in the end your choice.
I'm simply saying that it should be clear as daylight to everyone. And therefore I'm also saying that I've been visibly upset because the town has not yet made that transparent connection.
You should take your time in making your decision. I'm simply saying that MBH is mafia. Very visibly. If you want to make sure, that's fine. That's for what I'd hope.
I'd also like to point to the fact that MBH has not yet even said that he's not mafia. I hate beating a dead horse, and I suspect he'll post soon with a mafia-rehearsed reply, but that should be noted as well.
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On May 23 2009 09:26 Showtime! wrote: Did I not say I have him high on my radar too?
You are just looking for a fight.
Just because someone doesn't address your posts doesn't mean they don't agree with it.
Everyone is trying to do their own clue analysis and you aren't helping the cause.
In fact, its deflating the Town's spirit. By asking for a Modkill, you can no longer help us set what is right.
Get a grip and let's try to get the W.
Oh man. I really tried to tone down my response there. I wasn't trying to pick a fight, honestly. >.>
I think it's my writing style. It gives the tone of aggressiveness. I'm sorry. That's not my intent. I apologized the post above for the reason that I'm hoping that the town can unite instead of bickering, but I guess that wasn't clear enough. I'll work on my posts.
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On May 23 2009 09:44 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On May 23 2009 09:02 0cz3c wrote:On May 23 2009 08:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Most clues, like most games, although don’t always use how a person was killed as a clue, they typically do so I will be concentrating on that for now. Day 1 “Chuiu toppled to the deck. LTT and Qatol picked up the bodies and threw them overboard into the shark-infested waters. They breathed a sigh of relief, but it was short lived. LTT turned just as something bowled into him, knocking him down into the now crimson waters. Qatol turned to see what was happening when a voice spoke from behind him.” Here we have first off, mafia bodies disposed of to ravenous sharks, then, ltt is bowled into the water which leads to his death as well. When it comes to this I believe the link could possibly be PLEXA Why you ask? If you google his signature “Spirit will set you free” it will bring you to a tl page here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=81492¤tpage=3On that page has a picture of a shark, as well as a man with his hands outstretched, Upon closer consideration you see it’s a livecast match, between mbc and lecaf. That picture matchup is of shark vs jaedong, who has been nicknamed kitty for this instance. What do cats to when they attack someone, pounce or leap, and if they hit someone it could bowl them forward. Going with the style of cat clue as well, SCAMP has a cat in his profile (same sort of link of cat bowling people over) as well as his name meaning “1 : rascal, rogue 2 : an impish or playful young person” an impish or playful person or a rogue/rascal could fight someone by charging them and pushing them, as watching someone fall into water would be amusing to them. Now for death 2 day 1 “Qatol turned to face this new threat, but was unable to locate the speaker. Suddenly, Qatol saw a blur as his assailant leapt at him, planting a knife in Qatol's chest. LTT's attacker came over and helped push Qatol into the water with the others.” We see again the falling into the water (all bodies fed to sharks) which could refer to plexa but I doubt it. We have instead, someone who qatol couldn’t see, then lept out at him. This would seem to me that he would be either a small man, or invisible. As I doubt anyone is invisible iw ould go for a small man. For the most part. This could link to HEAVONEARTH as in his profile he has linked to his mybrute page. Mybrutes are small, tiny warriors, so leaping up into a taller qatol and killing him wouldn’t be so unexpected. As well, his specific brute has ability to run fast and charge, leaving a blurry trail behind him. MRBABYHANDS possibly as baby would imply small. Day 2 analysis “LucasWoJ was fully injected, but he could still hear the brutality even as he fled. The assailant bellowed again and started slamming the now empty syringe into LucasWoJ's face repeatedly until his face caved in and the only sounds left were guttural yells, the squishy impacts, and the sound of blood splatter. Come morning, there would be little above the neck that could identify LucasWoJ's corpse.” Day 3 post confirms this was caller. Next death “Meanwhile, the second intruder, initially transfixed by the brutal killing, suddenly remembered that there was another target and began the hunt. He climbed the stairs and poked his head into each of the bedrooms but couldn't find anyone. After passing the set of curtains with a conspicuous pair of shoes sticking out for the third time, he heard mikeymoo sneeze. He turned around and shot both feet, causing mikeymoo to fall from his hiding place. The man approached the writhing mikeymoo, dropped his gun, and grabbed one of his fingers. He slowly put pressure on it until it snapped and mikeymoo let out a scream that dwarfed any sounds he had made before. The attacker continued until he ran out of fingers upon which time he pulled out a knife and stabbed mikeymoo in the throat. As his life left him, mikeymoo chuckled at the absurdity of the knife solving the problem of his hoarse, sore throat.” This entire sequence has the feeling of a sense of surrealness. Someone who remembered there was another person to kill. So he went and looked into bedrooms, one at a time. Finds his target and attacks, first immobilizing them, then cruely torturing before the final kill. A link to this could be TRICODE quotation “1 2, he is coming for you” line which is a reference to freddy krugar. Who is a serial killer, who kills people. So one room at a time he persued his victim, till he found him, and slowly killed him. Many others have commented earlier how they thought this might point to dreamflower as it seemed to be like a dream, well, freddy killed people in dreams. Also connection to SCARAMANGA. As he stopped to observe the first attack before he moved on to his own victim. One of the people in profile referenced is kangmin, ie nal_ra who is currently a commentator in korea, hense he would stop to watch. He also has by.flash or young ho and Shine or sang won listed. Both of which are players who would pursue their opponent to the end, preventing them from being able to fight them again. Breaking of the fingers could symbolize the inability of mikeymoo to ever compete against them in their sport again? Weak link but exists Kill 3 “In a different part of town, Fishball was running for his life. His left arm was hanging uselessly at his side, the result of a blow from the man calmly following him. Fishball finally reached the tool shed behind his house. He started fumbling with the lock in an attempt to get the axe inside. He got the door open in time for a kick from his pursuer to knock him to the floor. Fishball coughed while the other man surveyed the inside of the shed. Having made his selection, the attacker grabbed one of the tools leaning against the inside of the shed and kneeled down next to Fishball. "This would have been a lot less painful for you if you had faced me like a man. You need to develop a stronger backbone; I am going to help you with that," quipped the hit man. He then shoved the rake in his hand into Fishball from behind, handle first, as far as he could. He left Fishball flailing on the ground, coming to terms with his newfound confidence but lacking the strength to do anything with it except die.” I would suggest that this links to REBIRTHOFLEGEND. He has a quotation of a ban by hot_bid “Reason: I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want. If you want to troll, I can tell you I have no patience for that. But what I do have are a very particular set of skills; skills I have acquired over a very long moderation career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you stop the stupidity now, that'll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you. But if you don't, in one week, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will ban you.” This would suggest to me that he is possibly red. As Fishball was sporting a limped arm, much like he ad been warned once before? Then because he didn’t learn, he is chased, and killed, and at the end makes it seem as if he learned the error of his ways. Day 3 First kill “"Well, if you aren't going to cook anything for us..." The smaller man snapped his fingers and infundibulum burst into flames.” Possible linkage to TRICODE, as freddy Krueger kills people in dreams by bursting them into flames. Possible link to HEAVONEARTH as of his tiny mybrute, and I know grenades are weapons in that game, REBIRTHOFLEGEND as in the sense of the poem he has it ends with explode, something could have burst and lit infundi on fire. Second kill “L hunched in the corner of the freezer, trying to make himself as small as possible. The banging on the freezer door was only interrupted by infundibulum's screams. The screams went from muffled to painfully loud as the larger man finally managed to solve the problem posed by the door. He quickly spotted L and started punching him repeatedly. Surprisingly, the blows didn't seem to hurt L as much as he had expected. With the hope of escape now flashing before him, L looked for something to ward off the attacker. He immediately noticed that infundibulum had clearly not defrosted the freezer in months. He was thankful. He broke off one of the icicles and tried to stab his attacker's face with it, but he couldn’t figure out exactly where to stab. L was trying to sort out his confusion when a blow from a blunt object crushed his head. L toppled to the floor. The larger man left the door ajar as he left, ensuring that the freezer would get its long overdue defrosting.” This fight reminds of a HEAVONEARTH, as well, mybrute character, runs in attacks and punches, hes smaller so his fists wouldn’t do the type of damage you would expect. Next, because of his size, you would have a harder time hitting him. The death could also link to TRICODE. This is because the death happened in 3 stages, the first two times fail, and the third succeeds. 1st time when L flees, second when his first hit fails to kill L, third time when he finishes L off just before he is stabbed by an icicle. This could point to him as well. Third kill was on caller by dreamflower, im assuming we can skip it. I would also note Last kill “Someone exited the hotel into the garden in time to see this struggle unfold. He charged towards the struggle and rammed into the plant. The jaws unclenched and Caller’s bones spilled to the ground. Letting out a cry, the would-be savior pulled on the stem until the plant was uprooted. He proceeded to trample dreamflower until only green goo remained.” Not entirely sure on this one. Ok. You're getting more and more suspicious BloodyCobbler. Better start defending yourself. Ok. I'll read through this thoroughly. However, this post is INCREDIBLY SUSPICIOUS. YOU'RE EVADING MY POST ABOUT MBH. COMPLETELY. You essentially dismiss him as a suspect. You say that your clue to him, which would presumably be correct, is only tenuous. And look how long that post is. Unnecessarily long. I suspect that there's very little legitimate content. TOWN READ. This is what I did last game. Several times when Camlito or Ace made very revealing posts and exposed several mafia, I would always proceed with an extremely large post that would indirectly dismiss what they had said. Why? Because it would force the page to move on. Perhaps someone not in realtime would think that the discussion has moved on as well. It worked brilliantly last game (I mean to say, it was not just me, it was every mafia's strategy). You witnessed that. I mean, you're playing by the cards we played last game. I already mentioned that. And you keep doing it. Here, there it is again. It worked in the previous game, and you're hoping it works here. Look, your post addresses nothing that's been discussed in the previous page. Why not? And you don't even acknowledge it. That's because it's in the mafia's best interest to cover up what has just been exposed. Now I'm even more convinced that MBH is mafia. I'll be placing my second vote on you unless you can satisfactorily explain why you interrupted a discussion that could have only helped the town. I'll read your analysis, but I suspect it will be crap. Although, as you yourself say, clue analysis is your specialty. Let's see if that was a lie as well. Heh. More as the clue we have on mbh is well hands? So yes, clue wise it is a stretch to him, but he was never really suspected on clue analysis from the get go. All i did was take what we had an attempt to do something with it, you on the other hand, SCREAM AND SHOUT. But now, aside from pointing fingers at mbh, and myself, you point them at anyone who dismisses you. You make long posts that barely provide any substance past. We're still in this, lets win this. OMG HE ACCUSED ME< KILL IT KILL IT. How about before we start screaming im useless, you sit down, go through each day post, and then sift through profiles to find matches. Or we can work on exactly what parts of it you have specific issue with, and work on it from there. That is you know, normally what happens. But hey your right 0cz, lets kill the guy trying to help that town, as that always works out well, so much better than killing the one screaming orders without much backing other than "ITS OBVIOUS"
I'm still not finished with your post. Please bear with me. It's fairly long. I made this clear in my post.
I'm not pointing fingers left and right. I just apologized for that lack of clarity: I'll work on it, for I realize it's not beneficial for the our [the town's] (you're not part of this our in my eyes) success. I'm insinuating that some people in the thread may very well be mafia. I'm making that explicit to the town. This technique has made almost certainly clear to me one person's innocence in the past five pages. And I doubt I'm wrong. On the other hand, I am pointing fingers and you and MBH. At you, because you're doing what I did last game; at MBH, because of his revealing strategy this game (and, by the way, when he turns up red, he can only blame himself for poor play. I doubt he thought this entirely through).
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By the way, if I'm not mistaken, you're saying that there are no clues to MBH. That's just not true. RoL, if I'm not mistaken, posted something about MBH before. I can find it if you'd like. Of course, that shouldn't make a difference, because the behavior here is far more incriminating than a clue could possibly be. In my eyes this is definitive; I suppose I must let you guys come to that same conclusion, but I'm openly declaring now that it would be a certain mistake not to kill him. (I'm toning down the posting, but know that I feel fully confident that you're mafia. Not off the hook from me yet. Not until Memorial Day Weekend, when I will not have access to a computer.
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Behaviorally, he is not merely sketchy. He is the living, breathing representation of an obvious mafia. He's much more than sketchy. If you're not mafia, and, although my suspicions are that you are, please re-read his post again. It within itself is incredibly incriminating. And I suspect that Ace would have pounced upon it if he were still alive. I would consider you to be as experienced as Ace as a player; therefore, I can't understand your apparent, needless, and forgive me, stupid hesitation.
I'll have a reply to your clue analysis before 10:30 P.M Eastern Time.
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It was directed at BloodyCobbler.
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+ Show Spoiler +On May 23 2009 08:01 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Most clues, like most games, although don’t always use how a person was killed as a clue, they typically do so I will be concentrating on that for now. Day 1 “Chuiu toppled to the deck. LTT and Qatol picked up the bodies and threw them overboard into the shark-infested waters. They breathed a sigh of relief, but it was short lived. LTT turned just as something bowled into him, knocking him down into the now crimson waters. Qatol turned to see what was happening when a voice spoke from behind him.” Here we have first off, mafia bodies disposed of to ravenous sharks, then, ltt is bowled into the water which leads to his death as well. When it comes to this I believe the link could possibly be PLEXA Why you ask? If you google his signature “Spirit will set you free” it will bring you to a tl page here http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=81492¤tpage=3On that page has a picture of a shark, as well as a man with his hands outstretched, Upon closer consideration you see it’s a livecast match, between mbc and lecaf. That picture matchup is of shark vs jaedong, who has been nicknamed kitty for this instance. What do cats to when they attack someone, pounce or leap, and if they hit someone it could bowl them forward. Going with the style of cat clue as well, SCAMP has a cat in his profile (same sort of link of cat bowling people over) as well as his name meaning “1 : rascal, rogue 2 : an impish or playful young person” an impish or playful person or a rogue/rascal could fight someone by charging them and pushing them, as watching someone fall into water would be amusing to them. Now for death 2 day 1 “Qatol turned to face this new threat, but was unable to locate the speaker. Suddenly, Qatol saw a blur as his assailant leapt at him, planting a knife in Qatol's chest. LTT's attacker came over and helped push Qatol into the water with the others.” We see again the falling into the water (all bodies fed to sharks) which could refer to plexa but I doubt it. We have instead, someone who qatol couldn’t see, then lept out at him. This would seem to me that he would be either a small man, or invisible. As I doubt anyone is invisible iw ould go for a small man. For the most part. This could link to HEAVONEARTH as in his profile he has linked to his mybrute page. Mybrutes are small, tiny warriors, so leaping up into a taller qatol and killing him wouldn’t be so unexpected. As well, his specific brute has ability to run fast and charge, leaving a blurry trail behind him. MRBABYHANDS possibly as baby would imply small. Day 2 analysis “LucasWoJ was fully injected, but he could still hear the brutality even as he fled. The assailant bellowed again and started slamming the now empty syringe into LucasWoJ's face repeatedly until his face caved in and the only sounds left were guttural yells, the squishy impacts, and the sound of blood splatter. Come morning, there would be little above the neck that could identify LucasWoJ's corpse.” Day 3 post confirms this was caller. Next death “Meanwhile, the second intruder, initially transfixed by the brutal killing, suddenly remembered that there was another target and began the hunt. He climbed the stairs and poked his head into each of the bedrooms but couldn't find anyone. After passing the set of curtains with a conspicuous pair of shoes sticking out for the third time, he heard mikeymoo sneeze. He turned around and shot both feet, causing mikeymoo to fall from his hiding place. The man approached the writhing mikeymoo, dropped his gun, and grabbed one of his fingers. He slowly put pressure on it until it snapped and mikeymoo let out a scream that dwarfed any sounds he had made before. The attacker continued until he ran out of fingers upon which time he pulled out a knife and stabbed mikeymoo in the throat. As his life left him, mikeymoo chuckled at the absurdity of the knife solving the problem of his hoarse, sore throat.” This entire sequence has the feeling of a sense of surrealness. Someone who remembered there was another person to kill. So he went and looked into bedrooms, one at a time. Finds his target and attacks, first immobilizing them, then cruely torturing before the final kill. A link to this could be TRICODE quotation “1 2, he is coming for you” line which is a reference to freddy krugar. Who is a serial killer, who kills people. So one room at a time he persued his victim, till he found him, and slowly killed him. Many others have commented earlier how they thought this might point to dreamflower as it seemed to be like a dream, well, freddy killed people in dreams. Also connection to SCARAMANGA. As he stopped to observe the first attack before he moved on to his own victim. One of the people in profile referenced is kangmin, ie nal_ra who is currently a commentator in korea, hense he would stop to watch. He also has by.flash or young ho and Shine or sang won listed. Both of which are players who would pursue their opponent to the end, preventing them from being able to fight them again. Breaking of the fingers could symbolize the inability of mikeymoo to ever compete against them in their sport again? Weak link but exists Kill 3 “In a different part of town, Fishball was running for his life. His left arm was hanging uselessly at his side, the result of a blow from the man calmly following him. Fishball finally reached the tool shed behind his house. He started fumbling with the lock in an attempt to get the axe inside. He got the door open in time for a kick from his pursuer to knock him to the floor. Fishball coughed while the other man surveyed the inside of the shed. Having made his selection, the attacker grabbed one of the tools leaning against the inside of the shed and kneeled down next to Fishball. "This would have been a lot less painful for you if you had faced me like a man. You need to develop a stronger backbone; I am going to help you with that," quipped the hit man. He then shoved the rake in his hand into Fishball from behind, handle first, as far as he could. He left Fishball flailing on the ground, coming to terms with his newfound confidence but lacking the strength to do anything with it except die.” I would suggest that this links to REBIRTHOFLEGEND. He has a quotation of a ban by hot_bid “Reason: I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want. If you want to troll, I can tell you I have no patience for that. But what I do have are a very particular set of skills; skills I have acquired over a very long moderation career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you stop the stupidity now, that'll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you. But if you don't, in one week, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will ban you.” This would suggest to me that he is possibly red. As Fishball was sporting a limped arm, much like he ad been warned once before? Then because he didn’t learn, he is chased, and killed, and at the end makes it seem as if he learned the error of his ways. Day 3 First kill “"Well, if you aren't going to cook anything for us..." The smaller man snapped his fingers and infundibulum burst into flames.” Possible linkage to TRICODE, as freddy Krueger kills people in dreams by bursting them into flames. Possible link to HEAVONEARTH as of his tiny mybrute, and I know grenades are weapons in that game, REBIRTHOFLEGEND as in the sense of the poem he has it ends with explode, something could have burst and lit infundi on fire. Second kill “L hunched in the corner of the freezer, trying to make himself as small as possible. The banging on the freezer door was only interrupted by infundibulum's screams. The screams went from muffled to painfully loud as the larger man finally managed to solve the problem posed by the door. He quickly spotted L and started punching him repeatedly. Surprisingly, the blows didn't seem to hurt L as much as he had expected. With the hope of escape now flashing before him, L looked for something to ward off the attacker. He immediately noticed that infundibulum had clearly not defrosted the freezer in months. He was thankful. He broke off one of the icicles and tried to stab his attacker's face with it, but he couldn’t figure out exactly where to stab. L was trying to sort out his confusion when a blow from a blunt object crushed his head. L toppled to the floor. The larger man left the door ajar as he left, ensuring that the freezer would get its long overdue defrosting.” This fight reminds of a HEAVONEARTH, as well, mybrute character, runs in attacks and punches, hes smaller so his fists wouldn’t do the type of damage you would expect. Next, because of his size, you would have a harder time hitting him. The death could also link to TRICODE. This is because the death happened in 3 stages, the first two times fail, and the third succeeds. 1st time when L flees, second when his first hit fails to kill L, third time when he finishes L off just before he is stabbed by an icicle. This could point to him as well. Third kill was on caller by dreamflower, im assuming we can skip it. I would also note Last kill “Someone exited the hotel into the garden in time to see this struggle unfold. He charged towards the struggle and rammed into the plant. The jaws unclenched and Caller’s bones spilled to the ground. Letting out a cry, the would-be savior pulled on the stem until the plant was uprooted. He proceeded to trample dreamflower until only green goo remained.” Not entirely sure on this one.
Some thoughts.
"They breathed a sigh of relief, but it was short lived. LTT turned just as something bowled into him, knocking him down into the now crimson waters." Where do you see a cat-like description here? I'm missing it. I would hardly call the action "bowled" cat-like. Kinda strong for a cat-like person to simply knock a person down into the crimson waters. I think.
For your second clue, did you consider that the person could be hiding? Is that not suggested in the reading? It doesn't seem like you've explored all possible options here. I don't even think that it has to link to someone who is small. It could be someone who's incredibly quick, who's evasive, who's hiding, essentially anyone who would not be in Qatol's line of sight.
Saying "Day 2 analysis “LucasWoJ was fully injected, but he could still hear the brutality even as he fled. The assailant bellowed again and started slamming the now empty syringe into LucasWoJ's face repeatedly until his face caved in and the only sounds left were guttural yells, the squishy impacts, and the sound of blood splatter. Come morning, there would be little above the neck that could identify LucasWoJ's corpse.”
Day 3 post confirms this was caller." doesn't legitimize your argument. Glad you made it explicit to the town, however.
The mikeymoo clues seem more sadistic than surrealist to me. Might just be my perspective. I think we ought to focus on the last line, however. It seems far different from the tone of the rest of the passage: "As his life left him, mikeymoo chuckled at the absurdity of the knife solving the problem of his hoarse, sore throat.”
I don't see how the fact that Nal_ra is a commentator has anything to do with watching. I really don't see it. Please elaborate.
What relevance does this have to anything? Especially to the mafia topic? "Breaking of the fingers could symbolize the inability of mikeymoo to ever compete against them in their sport again?" What I mean is could you expand on this? You're essentially leaving hanging a thought. It doesn't seem like your going anywhere with it; please do.
Your analysis of RoL seems fair enough.
But it seems like you're focusing on specific people: Scamp, RoL, Tricode, HeavonEarth.
That's not really fair. LTT and Qatol would NOT simply use these four, if they are indeed mafia, and I suspect that at least one is not, in three days' time.
Edit: Spoilered.
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On May 25 2009 05:47 Mynock wrote:Show nested quote +On May 25 2009 05:20 HeavOnEarth wrote: as a townie i must say i was pleasantly(?) surprised/ confused when mafia decided to throw the game. After what has happened, MBH was a goner, and Showtime! has overexposed himself as well (I even promised Tricode I'd re-read all of Showtime!'s posts and find out if what he and BC did was intentional, that is, if they're Mafia). I haven't ever imagined BC as Mafia tho (same as nemY, really), too much exposure for a Mafiosi. Like I said, by that time it was MBH vs MTF, and even I would have been convinced of MTF's innocence after that. Lol, sorry for calling your clue analysis worthless MTF, just goes to show how I have no idea about clues. Also, sorry Tricode, but even tho I really thought you were green all the way (as I told u in PMs), lynching you would still have been a good sacrifice, because we'd get to both Showtime! and BC . You played good tho, even when accused, from your defense you looked completely innocent, it's just that PM blunder that got you screwed. By comparison, 0cz's defense was utter insanity, I didn't even bother to read any of it, because it made my eyes bleed after the first 10 lines. He could have cleared himself pretty calmly and convincingly, but he basically dug his own grave there.
See Mynock, this was your problem: " By comparison, 0cz's defense was utter insanity, I didn't even bother to read any of it, because it made my eyes bleed after the first 10 lines."
That's why you voted against me, and that's why you thought it was illogical. >.>
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On May 25 2009 09:01 Incognito wrote: Sigh. The end of game comments. The time where everyone yells about how they knew X and Y were mafia and how Z was MVP because he guessed correctly that X and Y were mafia...
A while ago (don't remember when, but I think it was after a game where mafia got completely destroyed), we discussed how most people didn't know how to play mafia well. Well, now that's kinda different. People know how to play mafia decently, they don't know how to play town well. Seriously all of this "I knew X and Y were mafia from day 2" BS doesn't matter if nobody can trust you as town. The yelling and other chaotic tactics employed by L/0cz3c/Ace don't help the town either. This style behavior makes it fairly easy for them to hide when they are in fact mafia. The ambiguity and chaos caused does not help the town.
Its not the town's responsibility to figure out what you're really trying to say. Its not the town's responsibility to "read objectively". The only reason you'd have to post emotionally is when you're mafia. Its not your job to be right then act strangely arrogantly just because you are right. Its your job to make the town think you're innocent, then proceed accordingly. I think that people like Ace play this game simply to prove that they are right. They yell a lot, get themselves lynched, then yell back at the town saying how they suck and that they were too blind to see what was in front of them...It doesn't help at all. All it gives them is bragging rights to tell the town how they were right all along and that the town is stupid. At the point where you start bulldogging you might as well be dead. They are useless to you alive. Nobody will or wants to or even should listen to you KNOWING WHAT THEY KNOW at that point. Of course in retrospect you can yell at them and say how they suck, but it makes no sense when AT THE MOMENT you are just bringing suspicion onto yourself and not helping the town.
A lot of townies did not do their job to make it clear that they were town aligned. I won't mention names but seriously you can't expect to construct poor defense, appear out of nowhere with accusations, and yell when there are better things you can be doing to help the town. Painting yourself as a target does not help the town at all. A townie's first job is not to find mafia. It is to make sure that he looks like a townie. Otherwise looking for mafia is hopeless. A lot of townies made themselves very suspicious. Mafia capitalized on this fact. As a rule, concern yourself with taking care of your own role before looking at other people's roles.
I didn't employ chaos tactics after MBH said I'm mafia.
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On May 26 2009 00:58 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote: Tricode and L, calm the fuck down. Who the fuck cares who did better? We all sucked for the most part. You are basically arguing over whose shit stinks the least.
oh and I probably wouldn't of lynched 0cz3c if he didn't try the bodyguard role claim and mod kill himself. It seemed like a mafias stupid attempt to say alive. Until then I thought MBH clue analysis sucked.
Heh. I didn't try the bodyguard roleclaim (not entirely sure about what you're talking, however).
("Wouldn't have" by the way)
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MTF was by far the best player this game, at least for the town. He did the only excellent clue analysis in this game. His analysis of my situation against MBH was incredibly logical and persuasive, at least for me. And he did all this with the town not even considering to kill him. It was very well done.
So, BC, I felt convinced you were mafia. I was hoping MBH and you would die the first day. Then MTF posted the vivi analysis, and I switched my vote on someone substantiated by clues. At this point I thought it was fairly obvious Showtime was mafia. My post against him at one point was in now way aggressive; yet, he pretended that it was [and then he continued with the same hopeless, repetitious phrases]. Couldn't continue simply accusing everyone left and right (although most were mafia. Heh.) until MBH came up red. Hoped to come back from the weekend with two mafia dead and me still alive.
I thought L played very well, by the way. I don't think that there could have been a more conspicuous green/blue (although I had thought that he was green).
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