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On May 24 2009 09:56 Mynock wrote:
What I'd like to advise Town to do now:
Vote for 0cz3c first. I'm absolutely not a fan of MBH's "clue analysis" part of the incrimination, but then again I'm not a fan of clue interpreting either. However, we need this cleared now. 0cz3s is suspicious as it is, and we need to figure out where MBH stands. So 0cz should be Vote1.
As to vote 2, choose between Tricode and HeavOnEarth. Don't let Vivi die yet. If Tricode and HOE turn up red, we'll have a Townie saved, and if not, we'll just have a suspicion. As things stand right now tho, the whole Vivi movement looks very Mafia-bandwagonish, and must be stopped ASAP.
I'm only up to this post so far, but I just feel like I need to say it: Avoiding lynching Vivi57 makes no sense other than to try to discredit me. As is he has contributed nothing to town's cause and my analysis of him is solid.
I find it kind of sad that I'm so suspected right now by so many of you. Mostly those of you who I considered better at analyzing behavior. Especially seeing as I never once put up a comprehensive analysis like I just did with Vivi today as Mafia, only over clue ideas and very general suspects.
Note also that I have not, to this point, advocated lynching MrBabyHands, merely expressed my doubts about him actually working on finding Mafia. He has only posted his analysis of one person thus far, has not defended it in any way but mocking, and has not given me more information about the clues he supposedly linked to Caller/other Mafia information despite saying he'd have it for me by today.
If you want to lynch 0cz3c based on his analysis, then I can do nothing to stop you. It will go some way to proving or disproving MrBabyHands, at least. But, please reconsider about lynching Vivi. At worst we lose someone very inactive, at best we hit Mafia and I have a chance to be proven one way or the other to all those who suspect me.
As for my PM with Bockit, he can confirm that I didn't even initiate that transfer, it started with me being skeptical about LTT & Qatol asking him to PM everybody. My guessing was honest curiosity as to if I was correct or not.
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'Since I keep seeing Fusion's name come up (even if alongside my own) I guess I can post this earlier than I meant to:
LTT turned just as something bowled into him, knocking him down into the now crimson waters. Qatol turned to see what was happening when a voice spoke from behind him.
And
Someone exited the hotel into the garden in time to see this struggle unfold. He charged towards the struggle and rammed into the plant. The jaws unclenched and Caller’s bones spilled to the ground. Letting out a cry, the would-be savior pulled on the stem until the plant was uprooted. He proceeded to trample dreamflower until only green goo remained.
First thing you'll note is that both times, Mafia A collides with his opponent. This did not immediately make me think of Fusion, but one detail about his most recent killing did, which is the bolded portion above.
Let's have a look at some of the definitions for the word "fusion":
2: a union by or as if by melting together: as a: a merging of diverse elements into a unified whole
So, a merging of different substances into one. Consistent theme for Mafia F: Ramming into people. New possible clue: Liquefying victims.
It wasn't much, which is why I didn't immediately post it. But it's there.
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On May 24 2009 11:58 LTT wrote:
We are lazy and Bockit has Blue Mass PM abilites. We had him send out PMs to anyone who hadn't voted to remind them to vote.
Yeah, it made sense after he responded telling me about the ability to send out mass PMs.
On May 24 2009 12:03 Showtime! wrote:
We cannot afford to lose anymore Townies. MTF. if you are mafia it disapproves everything you say. You and I both know that.
You're operating under the assumption that I'm wrong. I'm not.
If I am Mafia and Vivi57 turns up red, then while it does not 100%, beyond-a-living-doubt prove that I myself am not Mafia, it does state volumes that Mafia would be willing to reduce their KP intentionally.
From where I'm sitting, Mafia is not that desperate at all.
If Vivi57 turns up green, then we lose a townie who wasn't contributing anything beyond a vote and fodder. While those are both valuable in general, to argue against lynching him, again, means that you are operating under the assumption that I am wrong.
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As with all accusations against anybody, if all I'm hearing is "we have proof, don't worry" then it doesn't mean a thing to me.
Neither does the "If you are wrong we're fucked" part, as you fail to illustrate why.
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Yes, it's close to the end of the lynch anyway, so it's not going to swing votes.
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On May 24 2009 12:40 HeavOnEarth wrote:
MrBabyHands, assuming your allegations against 0cz3z are correct,
you need to post the rest of your analysis if you are not mafia, because you will die tonight and be unable to post any of them.
Otherwise this makes you look extremely suspicious, as you said u were doing a LOT of analysis before the scenes and gave an extremely lackluster post.
While I don't trust him at the moment, to be fair, he has the entire night to post up the rest of his analysis.
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Wow. I expected Vivi to turn up red, but I didn't expect the forfeit.
I can't believe how many of you still wanted to lynch 0cz3c just because MrBabyHands posted saying that he was red. And that pretty much goes for Tricode as well. In the face of actual, solid analysis, plenty of you sided with the tenuous links made by completely circumstantial things. If you voted based on clues, BC never linked a single solid clue to him, he just mentioned his name a lot in many different places (which I specifically stated was erroneous).
Anyway, Mafia played a great game and should have won.
Some general notes:
As soon as I saw Amber switch over to push the vote up, I thought Mafia would be successful in avoiding getting Vivi lynched.
I suspected BC (but not as traitor) because of how insubstantial his clue analysis was, as well as how aggressive he and others were being against Tricode and myself. I also thought MrBabyHands would turn up red for reasons I mentioned earlier (the extreme blue sniping, mafia not killing him off already, the weakness of the analysis pointing to 0cz3c, and the fact that he never gave out additional information). Everybody else was under my radar. I had gotten the info that Showtime was checked and turned up green, but I never even considered him being the GF.
About MrBabyHands - dude is scary. That blue sniping was incredibly good, and when he mentioned PMing the remaining DT & Vet, I at least know he got the Vet part right. It was part of what gave him away to me, though, as he was so accurate, and yet provided town with so little reason to lynch 0cz3c.
Speaking of, I agree with several others that have said that 0cz3c deserves MVP for town side. He was consistently correct about major Mafia players and if town had any sort of unity or leadership, his voice would've been a much more appreciated asset.
PM convo between us yesterday:
+ Show Spoiler +
0cz3c:
Your vivi analysis makes sense. I'll vote for vivi this time, but, I beg you, please remember to keep BC in mind. His post may have simply come at a very inopportune moment and I analyzed it incorrectly. Therefore, I'm going to stave off my crusade against him for the time being. No use causing the confusion and assaults we don't need. I still feel he's mafia though.
MTF:
BC is very prominent in my mind, no worries. His posting has been a mix of confrontational, "stir-the-pot" posts and fluff analysis.
As for your situation with MrBabyHands, I don't believe you are mafia. He is on extremely tenuous ground with me right now, but I'm giving him a bit more time and a chance to respond to PMs before I make a judgment on whether I believe the same of him or not.
0cz3c:
I'd like MBH to reply. Unfortunately, thus far his only defense has been "I'm really good." I don't think that's sufficient. Not fair to kill him without giving him a chance to speak, although I say that forcefully, as very little could convince me that he's not red.
I'll be away Memorial Day Weekend. If I return and I have been killed during the night, know that I have good reason to believe that mafia have been or are in contact with the DTs (and if not both then almost indisputably one).
Here's the PM I received from someone who may be trying to bait me (waste of their time, if they're mafia or not), or may be genuinely telling me the truth. The "yo man" is from Caller, apparently, or so says the person who PM'd me this.
"I agree with you like no tomorrow right now.
yo man,
Before Ver died, he let me know that you were an unsubstantiated DT. If this is true, I need you to do a RC on Bockit-Ver highly suspected him. If you aren't a DT, wrong number.
Sincerely,
~a noob
BloodyC0bbler knows about this. I told him the momment Caller contacted me.
BC also seemed to know that L was mafia, he told me he doesn't think the Medic will protect him but never gave names.
He knew about Ver, and Df's roles. he even tried to figure out my role, which i won't tell.
I am putting BC to the test i call "The trust Test" he has been slowly chipping away at it."
Oh, and MBH didn't vote for the double lynch. Don't see why not at this point.
All told, I'm just glad I voted for two Mafioso at the end of this day and that I wasn't playing quite as bad as I thought I was. :p
In general, town needs to start paying a lot more attention, though. As soon as we lost any semblance of leadership the Mafia gained the advantage that town is supposed to have: numbers. Town only "wins" this game because a few Mafia players were inactive at a crucial moment. Think a bit more before you act and do some actual reading next time, folks.
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On May 24 2009 16:09 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
Oh and thanks a lot LTT and Qatol. Those were amazing day posts and you guys did an incredible job and keeping the game fun and active while maintaining a solid game flow. I hated when other games would have like a 6 day gap between day and night posts. Made me wnat to kick the shit out of a baby.
Before I go through and respond to other posts, I should post my agreement of this. Artfully written, fellows, and very well organized. I was consistently entertained and the game (while a mess as far as players go) ran smoother than I've ever seen a Mafia game go.
Much <3
(for the clue style as well - hate it when it's written so that they're all over the place >.>)
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On May 24 2009 14:22 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
Making fake clue analysis is hard
Believe me, I can empathize with this. It seems like it should be easy enough, what with all the red herrings and honest mistakes others make, but for some reason it was even more time consuming to make fake analysis than it was to do it for real.
On May 24 2009 14:25 Ace wrote:
"ace says"
Check out the Mayoral candidates.
We dropped the ball, unfortunately.
This is amazing and should not be buried so far away! :D
On May 24 2009 14:43 Bockit wrote:
What do people think about dt roleclaiming to get elected?
It's gutsy and heavy-handed. Nemy thought he had a good reason for it, though, so it happened how it happened.
That said, I would have a general rule for players in the future that all DT's roleclaiming on the first day should just be ignored. It's chaos and will always turn out to be either an absurdly overpowered power move or just a really, really dumb move.
On May 24 2009 15:18 Ace wrote:
Town MVP....hard to call. I'd say MTF because he had the right line of thinking but seemed too timid to force it out there.
Ask anyone that was in my Mafia team when I was Godfather - I allow a lot of leeway in where people stand on things, even when I'm in a supposed position of leadership. I suck at persuading people beyond listing what I view as facts/logical standpoints, which is why I wanted you/Caller/Showtime! as Mayor in the first place. I know all three of you have the ability to demand things of town in as much of an aggressive fashion as is necessary. 
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On May 25 2009 03:11 Showtime! wrote:
No, it wasn't 'bud.' We had good clue analysis and behaviour analysis. I'm just going to stop it right here because I know how piss poor you are at defending yourself.
EDIT: It was a team effort. Who do you think helped put that shit together in the first place?
There's a reason why I make most of my 'plays' behind the scenes.
Though I think you guys had an argument for Tricode based on behavioral analysis, you really didn't have good clue analysis tying him to anything. As I said in my response to BC when all of this was going down, all the clues that were being attached to Tricode were scattered amongst different Mafia, when the clue format was clearly separated by individuals. For the clues to be solid, they'd need to all be tied to a single person.
When you find one person everywhere you look, it is evident that you aren't looking for suspects, you're just looking to pin that one person. But, because of PM conversations and what I'm guessing was largely an effort to tie Tricode to as many clues as possible because he looked possibly dirty in behavior, a lot of people who probably should've known better spread the vote thin for town side.
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On May 25 2009 09:14 Incognito wrote:
Also what did you guys think about the mandatory voting? Seems to me it didn't help activity all that much, it just made people more suspicious even if they were town. *cough* camlito *cough* plexa...
It was a good feature. It makes sure that nobody can hide among inactives and, well, eliminates those who are actually inactive. Whether that makes quiet townies suspicious or not is something that can be dealt with by individual case. Allowing people to be inactive is not acceptable, though.
It supports a simple concept. You shouldn't be signing up if you aren't going to be playing the game.
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