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MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
May 21 2009 03:33 GMT
#1343
On May 21 2009 12:26 Caller wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 21 2009 12:25 MTF wrote:
On May 21 2009 12:21 Caller wrote:
On May 21 2009 12:19 MTF wrote:
On May 21 2009 12:15 Caller wrote:
On May 21 2009 12:13 MTF wrote:
And with Caller's switch we have Ver & Ace tied at 11 each.

Wonder why Caller voted for me in the first place, after all.

eh you were fishy along with some other people. I figured that this incredibly poor excuse for a lynching was getting pretty stupid and just randomly picked somebody I thought was fishy ^^


Why switch at all, then? What changed between then and now, ignoring the obvious changes of the time before the vote ends and the arrival of several previously quiet Ver supporters?

I'd rather not disclose the reason at this time.


That's a laughable argument to use. Really.

It's even moreso in that the only information that you could be wanting to innocently hide, namely that you were a DT and rolechecked either Ace or Ver, is impossible at this point in the game.

Check PM, I think I can trust you with that much.


Wasn't a good excuse at all.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
May 21 2009 03:39 GMT
#1351
Rebirth changes from Ver to Ace, making it 10 vs 12.

Everybody who is switching last minute, especially those who are going from Ver to Ace, should know that they are very suspect.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-05-21 04:06:23
May 21 2009 03:56 GMT
#1371
On May 21 2009 12:54 Incognito wrote:
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Qatol says:
i can confim that i will modkill though


^^Qatol


That proves nothing other than that you asked him if he would modkill if asked to by Ver. Not that Ver will be modkilled.

Ask yourself this, also: why would Ver roleclaim Veteran if he's planning on dying anyway?

Edited by Qatol's request.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
May 21 2009 04:10 GMT
#1395
On May 21 2009 13:07 Bockit wrote:
L if you wanted proof that Ace is innocent, I think this rush of votes from highly suspected mafia players is proof enough. Stop letting the fact that he disagrees with you bias your judgement on his innocence.


I don't think L really cares if Ace is innocent or not. He only cares that he's in the Pardoner position and that people voted for him.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
May 21 2009 04:21 GMT
#1415
On May 21 2009 13:19 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
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On May 21 2009 13:12 L wrote:
On May 21 2009 13:08 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
On May 21 2009 13:02 L wrote:
Dreamflower. You will vig hit whomever is not killed tonight. If you don't, I am going to bring this town straight down on your ass tomorrow as planned. You will do this because roleclaiming will have you 100% killed, so its really not an issue either way.

If there is an extra hit tonight which corresponds with you, done. Problem solved. If not we proceed with tomorrow's double hit.


What if Ace gets lynched, so she vigi's Ver, who happened to not be bullshitting about being a vet?

Even if both are blue, we cant' confirm innocence unless Ver flips red on kill.

Either both bullshit about the hit, which is likely because they're both going to die day 3 anyways, or Ver dies to a clue linking to dream and she's proven correct.

Still working out the rest of the details, thanks for your input here.


I think requesting modkill points to being innocent. Reasoning: it lets us know his alignment without wasting a town kill. Also if he's going to be inactive again, it would be better to get rid of himself so the town isn't arguing about like we did all Day


Asking if possible =/= requesting.

Lots of flawed logic being used by all of you last minute voters.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
May 21 2009 04:27 GMT
#1427
So, Ver. Assuming you're still around, when will you be asking for that modkill?
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
May 21 2009 04:29 GMT
#1434
On May 21 2009 13:27 L wrote:
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On May 21 2009 13:25 Qatol wrote:
On May 21 2009 12:56 Ace wrote:
On May 21 2009 12:55 Qatol wrote:
Ok I'm just going to make the modkilling thing with Ver nice and clear:
He asked me if I would modkill him if he requested it. He pointed out that if I refused he could be a very destructive influence on this game. I don't want that. Therefore, if he were to ask me to modkill him, I would do it. However, I'm not going to make any deals or whatever. For instance, I will not agree to modkill him if he is not lynched. Take that up with Ver himself.


ok so once Ver says he wants to be modkilled no matter what happens he's gone right?

Correct. No deals. If he says he wants it, it will happen though. (sorry I am being positively bombarded right now.)


So what if Ver says he doesn't want to be modkilled to you, but claims differently in this thread?

Is his first instance of wanting modkill enough to kill him? If so, is he already going to die because he asked for it?

why the fuck are these new rules coming out with like 20 minutes left to voting end, you fucking retard?


Ver never asked to be modkilled. He only asked Qatol if he would upon his asking to be.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
May 21 2009 17:34 GMT
#1532
Well, we fucked up. Sort of. Like Mynock said that lynching Ver was the right decision. It just wouldn't have happened to have a good outcome, no matter how it played out. But, hey, at least we'd still have someone who cared about the game in still.

That said, I'm not giving up.

On May 21 2009 23:41 0cz3c wrote:
By the way, at least one of the following three is mafia.

Caller
RebirthofLegend
nemY









I may be simply pulling this out of my ass. However, 0cz3c's senses are tingling.


I actually agree fully with this. Here is my reasoning:

Caller has been playing Mr. Middle Ground all game, never posts anything truly constructive, and seems to just be feigning a high level of activity by responding to peoples posts with "LOL" and such. Also, the way he voted towards the end of last night was very odd, in that he flip-flopped suddenly twice between the candidates. And now that we know that both were innocent, we know that Mafia probably didn't care which of them got killed or not, because either way, half of town would be up in arms about it.

Though perhaps it should be noted that Ver roleclaimed as Vet long before the vote ended. That would have given Mafia some incentive to switch over some members to his side.

Rebirth has been played the "I don't know what's going on, guys" card, which is usually unacceptable to me with town-side. However, with one of his recent posts that highlighted people who voted for Ver as well as voted for Ace to be lynched, his name is cleared a bit in my mind. It seemed like a sincere effort, and only Mafia would have known for sure at that point that both Ace and Ver were not Mafia.

Which is another thing. Though they were right, keep the people who were saying that we shouldn't lynch either leader in mind. This is a category simply because it's a smart play to have a few members advocate against the lynching when it's already obvious it's going to happen and you know the outcome is in your favor no matter who it is that is lynched.

These include:

Showtime! - Voted for Plexa to get some activity out of him.
Caller - Claimed he thought the lynch was stupid which is why he switched his vote to me, before going back and forth later. Voted Ace (maybe just a joke), MTF, Ace, Ver.
Amber[Light] - Just stated that he didn't think either leader should be lynched, then voted Ace.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
May 21 2009 17:37 GMT
#1533
EBWOP: Forgot Nemy. He hasn't been very helpful to town at all, despite almost surely feeling the pressure of being exposed if he were a true DT. Also, none of his claims about being a DT, even the clue check PM, can be verified.

I don't think a Mafia member would put himself out in the open so blatantly like this, though, so I'm betting he's traitor. And I'd be wary of what information comes out of him tomorrow, guys. I'm sure he'll use a rolecheck, real DT or not. Not a single person should immediately buy into it.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
May 21 2009 18:08 GMT
#1537
That's clears you up pretty nicely.



Well, seeing as Dreamflower is supposedly our Vigilante, she has to hit somebody tonight if she's going to. Else she either seems like Mafia to us or she gets killed without using it at all.

I like MBH and Camlito being up there, as well as Showtime. None of them have been particularly active, though that seems pretty usual for all three of them. That said, all Showtime has posted since the Mayoral election closed were excuses for not being here and "I gotta go soon" posts. It's fully possible he's working behind-the-scenes again with town, but I'm flipping a coin between Mafia and "I don't really care that much" for this game. It should be noted that I think Showtime should be included with Cam/MBH as a blue sniper, and would in fact put him above Cam.

Cam pretty much never posts in the thread, whether town or Mafia, so I can't say for him. MBH I've only played one game with, so I don't know much about him besides that he's quiet and resourceful.

The other two I'm not so sure on. I don't know HeavOnEarth's playstyle at all and I get the feeling that Malongo is just generally abrasive.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
May 21 2009 22:39 GMT
#1566
About Nemy:

Let's do this. If Mafia haven't killed him tomorrow, let's not lynch him. We know he can't logically be Mafia, but he can be the traitor, and wasting a lynch on him is not worth it. Nor is it worth it to Vigi him.

Instead, let's have him use his rolecheck ability over the next three nights without explicitly acting on the info he gives us, provided that Mafia doesn't kill him off before then. If it's still not apparent that he is innocent after his rolechecks are all used up, we lynch him. Upon lynching, we gain the information of whether he was being honest or not for sure without wasting any of our coming lynches to reduce KP on what is either the traitor or true DT.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
May 21 2009 22:39 GMT
#1567
On May 22 2009 07:38 Scamp wrote:
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On May 22 2009 07:36 HeavOnEarth wrote:
Also dreamflower is a pretty good lynch candidate if he's not killed by mafia <.<


Why in the world would the mafia kill Dreamflower? I can't think of a single reason.


She roleclaimed Vigilante.

If she's telling the truth then they may kill her off just to be safe.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
May 21 2009 22:51 GMT
#1569
Also, as an afterthought, I would ask the remaining DT(s) not to role check Nemy. There's always the possibility of him being the Godfather, which would be the only logical scenario in which he got Mafia and decided to so openly expose himself. Make better use of your abilities on people we have less potential control over.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
May 21 2009 23:04 GMT
#1573
I'd say he's a good target in general. There are a small number of potential Day 1 clues for him and several people have stated their suspicion of him based on not living up to previous game activities. I'd go ahead and send in your hit; if he happens to show up with loads of analysis that seems pro-town, then maybe you can switch to somebody else later.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
May 21 2009 23:09 GMT
#1575
On May 22 2009 08:00 Scamp wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 22 2009 07:39 MTF wrote:
On May 22 2009 07:38 Scamp wrote:
On May 22 2009 07:36 HeavOnEarth wrote:
Also dreamflower is a pretty good lynch candidate if he's not killed by mafia <.<


Why in the world would the mafia kill Dreamflower? I can't think of a single reason.


She roleclaimed Vigilante.

If she's telling the truth then they may kill her off just to be safe.


Well I guess I didn't factor in the mafia being dumb.

If Dreamflower is the vigi then they're not going to be able to kill her before she uses her power tonight. Whether or not she does use her power she's damn suspicious to the town right now, and if she's not mafia then the mafia will want to keep her alive. And of course they won't hit her if she is mafia.


Mafia doesn't need to be dumb to kill her off, merely cautious. It's a gamble for them. Let her live and hope town get's suspicious enough to lynch her if she doesn't blindly fire off a shot tonight or kill her now and be done with it entirely.

It doesn't matter that she doesn't have a high chance of hitting red if she kills someone tonight. It only matters that she has the ability to and the Mafia knows that.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
May 22 2009 07:42 GMT
#1654
Nice call, whoever switched it to Caller at the last moment. I think Caller realized it was coming, though, which makes me wonder what circumstances brought about the change.

O well, let's just count it as a blessing and move on.

Something I'll note about the clue style thus far - it feels a lot like Chuiu's clue writing, in that relevant information seems to be tied to one Mafia at a time instead of all over the place, which is much better for us in analyzing.

I'm gonna go back through the each Day post now and start profiling the Mafia individually so that they're easier to work with, then attach new analysis to them. Despite a want to name them all, I'll just give them A-F designations based on chronological order of appearance.

Parts I view as especially relevant will be in bold.


Mafia A:
+ Show Spoiler +

Morning 1:
+ Show Spoiler +

They breathed a sigh of relief, but it was short lived. LTT turned just as something bowled into him, knocking him down into the now crimson waters.


Morning 3:
+ Show Spoiler +

Someone exited the hotel into the garden in time to see this struggle unfold. He charged towards the struggle and rammed into the plant. The jaws unclenched and Caller’s bones spilled to the ground. Letting out a cry, the would-be savior pulled on the stem until the plant was uprooted. He proceeded to trample dreamflower until only green goo remained.


General Notes:
+ Show Spoiler +

- Both appearances he's made so far have been very brief and unexpected interventions, and both of them very specifically involve ramming.
- Has not spoken, and the death of Dreamflower seemed primitive in it's delivery.



Mafia B:
+ Show Spoiler +

Morning 1:
+ Show Spoiler +

Qatol turned to see what was happening when a voice spoke from behind him.

“You no longer control this town. It is ours now.”

Qatol turned to face this new threat, but was unable to locate the speaker. Suddenly, Qatol saw a blur as his assailant leapt at him, planting a knife in Qatol's chest. LTT's attacker came over and helped push Qatol into the water with the others.


Morning 3:
+ Show Spoiler +

Two oddly mismatched men were sitting at a table, pounding the table with their fists.

"Well, there is someone over there" noticed the smaller man.

infundibulum let out a sigh of relief before realizing the smaller man's attention had never left him.

"Well, if you aren't going to cook anything for us..."

The smaller man snapped his fingers and infundibulum burst into flames.


General Notes:
+ Show Spoiler +

- It is well established that the attacker is a short person, by Qatol being unable to locate him, followed by the killer leaping to hit his chest, and finally, Morning 3 states it up-front.
- Possibly practices pyrokinesis.
- Displays a potential emphasis on hands. (post hoc reasoning, of course)



Mafia C:

Caller.


Mafia D:
+ Show Spoiler +

Morning 2:
+ Show Spoiler +

Meanwhile, the second intruder, initially transfixed by the brutal killing, suddenly remembered that there was another target and began the hunt. He climbed the stairs and poked his head into each of the bedrooms but couldn't find anyone. After passing the set of curtains with a conspicuous pair of shoes sticking out for the third time, he heard mikeymoo sneeze. He turned around and shot both feet, causing mikeymoo to fall from his hiding place. The man approached the writhing mikeymoo, dropped his gun, and grabbed one of his fingers. He slowly put pressure on it until it snapped and mikeymoo let out a scream that dwarfed any sounds he had made before. The attacker continued until he ran out of fingers upon which time he pulled out a knife and stabbed mikeymoo in the throat. As his life left him, mikeymoo chuckled at the absurdity of the knife solving the problem of his hoarse, sore throat.



General Notes:
+ Show Spoiler +

- May be easily distracted/forgetful.
- May be blind/vision impaired, due to being fixated by the sounds of Caller's killing and only locating Mikeymoo upon hearing a sneeze. Also, note that he kills Mikeymoo in such a manner that is focused on the audible (the snapping of fingers and prolonged screaming) aspects, initially.
- May have something to do so-called ironic circumstances, though this may just be entertaining writing instead of an actual clue.



Mafia E:
+ Show Spoiler +

Morning 2:
+ Show Spoiler +

In a different part of town, Fishball was running for his life. His left arm was hanging uselessly at his side, the result of a blow from the man calmly following him. Fishball finally reached the tool shed behind his house. He started fumbling with the lock in an attempt to get the axe inside. He got the door open in time for a kick from his pursuer to knock him to the floor. Fishball coughed while the other man surveyed the inside of the shed. Having made his selection, the attacker grabbed one of the tools leaning against the inside of the shed and kneeled down next to Fishball.

"This would have been a lot less painful for you if you had faced me like a man. You need to develop a stronger backbone; I am going to help you with that," quipped the hit man.

He then shoved the rake in his hand into Fishball from behind, handle first, as far as he could. He left Fishball flailing on the ground, coming to terms with his newfound confidence but lacking the strength to do anything with it except die.



General Notes:
+ Show Spoiler +

- Is confident/has a calm demeanor.
- I honestly don't know where to go from there, so possible .



Mafia F:
+ Show Spoiler +

Morning 3:
+ Show Spoiler +

L recoiled from the piercing gaze and ran screaming back into the kitchen. infundibulum watched in confusion as L ran through the kitchen, yelling and flailing his arms in terror. L opened up the walk-in freezer and quickly shut the door behind him. infundibulum tried to figure out what was going on while continuing to man his wok.

The two strange customers entered the kitchen, startling infundibulum and finally separating him from his spot in front of the stove. infundibulum was slowly backing away, trembling, when the larger one spoke again.

"Where did he go?"

Seeing no recourse, infundibulum pointed a single finger towards the freezer. The larger man nodded and moved in that direction. infundibulum let out a sigh of relief before realizing the smaller man's attention had never left him.

L hunched in the corner of the freezer, trying to make himself as small as possible. The banging on the freezer door was only interrupted by infundibulum's screams. The screams went from muffled to painfully loud as the larger man finally managed to solve the problem posed by the door. He quickly spotted L and started punching him repeatedly. Surprisingly, the blows didn't seem to hurt L as much as he had expected. With the hope of escape now flashing before him, L looked for something to ward off the attacker. He immediately noticed that infundibulum had clearly not defrosted the freezer in months. He was thankful. He broke off one of the icicles and tried to stab his attacker's face with it, but he couldn’t figure out exactly where to stab. L was trying to sort out his confusion when a blow from a blunt object crushed his head. L toppled to the floor. The larger man left the door ajar as he left, ensuring that the freezer would get its long overdue defrosting.



General Notes:
+ Show Spoiler +

- This Mafia member is an unusual creature, as indicated by several things. Both L and Infundibulum respond to it's presence in terror. It is especially made evident that it is this Mafia member, and not the other, that is the source of this emotion as Infundibulum is relieved after directing Mafia F away. Additionally, L does not know where to stab the creature/apparition if he were to aim at the face and Mafia F has trouble opening the freezer door.
- Note that it says that L died because of being hit with a blunt object rather than by the killer's own attacks, which didn't hurt much at all. Don't know what to make of that yet.



I will be back on sometime later today, possibly in just a few hours to try and tie people to the clues.

Something I would ask of anybody willing to try - if you can explain why Caller's clues related to him (Morning 2, first Mafia that attacked and bottom of Morning 3) then it would be a great help for future analyzing reference as it might give us a bit of a template on where Qatol & LTT are drawing clues from.

If nobody tries I'll attempt it later when I start looking through the profiles again.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
May 23 2009 01:02 GMT
#1702
I'd like to begin by saying that the option for voluntary suicide by modkilling is definitely something that needs to be modified or completely removed next game.

Now, as for the current situation between MrBabyHands and 0cz3z. I'm leaning towards voting for MrBabyHands, though I'm not certain at all for now. My other vote will go to Vivi57.

My reasoning for this is as follows:

MrBabyHands:
+ Show Spoiler +

1. We know that MrBabyHands contacted L shortly before his death and that MrBabyHands claims some responsibility for the hit on Caller. Before the Day post even comes up, though, it seems like Caller knows that he's going to die. He doesn't care that he's been outed as Mafia at all. This means either one of two things happened: He got caught in a lie by somebody and caught wind of it or he was previously informed.

He'd have to know or have reasoned out that Dreamflower's vigilante hit was switched at the last minute to him. Knowing that it wouldn't matter soon, L (or whoever was in communication with Caller) could have PMed him that information just beforehand, so it's still entirely possible that he just dropped all pretense for that reason.

2. MrBabyHands first claims that he has a lot of analysis to lay down for the town as to who is and isn't Mafia. Then, nearly ten and a half hours later (note how long it took), he posts up analysis of 0cz3c that, personally, seems very weak, somewhat forced, and is in no way conclusive. He says that the reason he's only doing 0cz3c right now is that he doesn't want town to get confused and split votes, which is legitimate for the moment. However, he also stated quite openly that he believes himself to always be 100% accurate in posting Mafia and, as such, will almost surely die tonight which means that full disclosure has to come at some point.

The problem with the way things have played out is this: MrBabyHands hasn't been killed by Mafia yet, meaning that they don't know his accuracy from previous games (unlikely), that they didn't feel like he was a threat regardless (also seems unlikely), or that he is on Mafia's side. Frankly, given what has occurred in past games and what has occurred thus far in this game, the blue sniping and the silence during the Ace vs Ver debacle has me leaning towards his being Mafia, based on merits alone.

That isn't all, though. With all of what were town's most prominent voices silenced, MrBabyHands suddenly shows up claiming to know all the answers to town's problems, and sends out PMs to people who he believes are blue for their cooperation. I feel that this may be a Mafia ploy, hoping to guide this double lynch into the ground, so as to cement their victory.

To add to all of this, he has not responded to a PM I sent to him asking about the clues he had attached to Caller. May be innocuous, but for the moment it adds to the feeling that the analysis he has is being made up as he goes along this newest day.

As it stands, MrBabyHands needs to provide me with more information before I'm willing to believe him. Most of my suspicion lies in the fact that his connection of 0cz3c seems tenuous to me and that he took so long to put up something when he claims to already have a lot of strong information.



Now, for the sure vote from me.

Vivi57:
+ Show Spoiler +

I believe Vivi57 is Mafia A from Morning 1 and Morning 3. To illustrate why, let me just start with a picture of Vivi from Final Fantasy IX.

[image loading]


Now look at the clues:

Morning 1:

Qatol turned to see what was happening when a voice spoke from behind him.

“You no longer control this town. It is ours now.”

Qatol turned to face this new threat, but was unable to locate the speaker. Suddenly, Qatol saw a blur as his assailant leapt at him, planting a knife in Qatol's chest. LTT's attacker came over and helped push Qatol into the water with the others.


Morning 3:

Two oddly mismatched men were sitting at a table, pounding the table with their fists. The larger man shouted again.

"No one to seat us. No one to take our orders. How did they manage to get even half of a star? I am definitely not leaving a tip!"

"Well, there is someone over there" noticed the smaller man.

L recoiled from the piercing gaze...


infundibulum let out a sigh of relief before realizing the smaller man's attention had never left him.

"Well, if you aren't going to cook anything for us..."

The smaller man snapped his fingers and infundibulum burst into flames.



At first I assumed that the piercing gaze belonged to Mafia F, as he is still certainly the cause of L and Infundibulum's panics. However, upon rereading the morning post, I realized that it only made sense for the gaze to be coming from Mafia A, as he was the one who noted L's presence. Thus, Mafia F has an unusually strong gaze.

Notice anything about Vivi's eyes? They are rather direct and I'm sure a stare from them would be quite disconcerting.

What about his height? He's certainly a rather short man, which would explain Qatol not seeing him when he turned to face the voice, as well as why Mafia A needed help with pushing Qatol's body into the water.

And just to fit it all together, the way Infundibulum dies ties everything up nicely. Vivi is a Black Mage in Final Fantasy IX, and thus uses magic to fight. Infundibulum bursts into flame upon Mafia A's finger snap, and I see nothing that fits this better than the explanation of magic.



In summation:

I do not urge anybody to vote one way or the other on the MBH vs 0cz3c issue currently, at least not until we hear more (that isn't just gloating and taunting) from MBH.

I do urge everybody to vote for Vivi57.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
May 23 2009 01:11 GMT
#1704
On May 23 2009 10:07 0cz3c wrote:
Behaviorally, he is not merely sketchy. He is the living, breathing representation of an obvious mafia. He's much more than sketchy. If you're not mafia, and, although my suspicions are that you are, please re-read his post again. It within itself is incredibly incriminating. And I suspect that Ace would have pounced upon it if he were still alive. I would consider you to be as experienced as Ace as a player; therefore, I can't understand your apparent, needless, and forgive me, stupid hesitation.

I'll have a reply to your clue analysis before 10:30 P.M Eastern Time.


I'm not sure who that was directed at, but if it was at me, then you're going to need to make a much better argument for his sure incrimination beyond "anybody that has a brain can see he's Mafia".

It's that superior, non-conversational attitude that sees many peoples thoughts get ignored in this game.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
May 23 2009 01:23 GMT
#1707
On May 23 2009 10:14 BloodyC0bbler wrote:
As a note to MTF, my only issue with your vivi link is that it seems too obvious, unless that was qatols intention


Vivi has nothing in his profile to work with beyond his name, which itself links to a very few things.

"It fits too well and surely can't be intentional" is an argument to be made when there is a fair amount of information to work with, but that doesn't seem applicable to me in this particular case.
Think. :)
MTF
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1739 Posts
May 23 2009 19:58 GMT
#1737
Jesus, the votes are all over the place.

As for using BC's analysis to lynch, I only see one potentially strong link among the clues:

Kill 3
“In a different part of town, Fishball was running for his life. His left arm was hanging uselessly at his side, the result of a blow from the man calmly following him. Fishball finally reached the tool shed behind his house. He started fumbling with the lock in an attempt to get the axe inside. He got the door open in time for a kick from his pursuer to knock him to the floor. Fishball coughed while the other man surveyed the inside of the shed. Having made his selection, the attacker grabbed one of the tools leaning against the inside of the shed and kneeled down next to Fishball.

"This would have been a lot less painful for you if you had faced me like a man. You need to develop a stronger backbone; I am going to help you with that," quipped the hit man.

He then shoved the rake in his hand into Fishball from behind, handle first, as far as he could. He left Fishball flailing on the ground, coming to terms with his newfound confidence but lacking the strength to do anything with it except die.”

I would suggest that this links to REBIRTHOFLEGEND.

He has a quotation of a ban by hot_bid

“Reason: I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want. If you want to troll, I can tell you I have no patience for that. But what I do have are a very particular set of skills; skills I have acquired over a very long moderation career. Skills that make me a nightmare for people like you. If you stop the stupidity now, that'll be the end of it. I will not look for you, I will not pursue you. But if you don't, in one week, I will look for you, I will find you, and I will ban you.”


It makes sense and it's consistent with that single Mafia member.

That said, while most of his points do make some sense, they're scattered. Reading the kills, one must note that there are consistent characters, which means that the clues should not be scattered between different Mafioso. Which makes me confused on why so many people are suddenly jumping on Tricode. Unless all of you voting for him have information (like a rolecheck) that is driving you, then the reasoning just doesn't check out. There is not much evidence, and what little exists is presented in sparse fragments.

Current Vote Count:
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HeavOnEarth: 3
Malongo
BloodyC0bbler
Amber[Light]

Nemy: 1
Malongo

BloodyC0bbler: 1
Incognito

Tricode: 5
Plexa
Scamp
Scaramanga
BloodyC0bbler
Amber[Light]

0cz3z: 2
MrBabyHands
HeavOnEarth

MrBabyHands: 4
0cz3c
Scamp
RebirthOfLegend
Fusionsdf

Vivi57: 6
MTF
0cz3c
Nemy
RebirthOfLegend
Scaramanga
Fusionsdf

Abstain: 3
Plexa
MTF
HeavOnEarth

Haven't voted at all: 5
Bockit
Camlito
Showtime!
Vivi57
Tricode

Has only used one vote: 4
Incognito
MrBabyHands
Nemy
HeavOnEarth

WTF Random Votes: 2
Mynock (x2)


At this rate, with this amount of spread (and up to six people to place where they're needed) Mafia controls this vote.
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