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Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
March 19 2009 09:17 GMT
#581
noooooo not RoL

he was the most hilariously person
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
March 19 2009 09:17 GMT
#582
even so, expect to see a lot of rage when he signs on lol
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
semioldguy
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States7488 Posts
March 19 2009 09:23 GMT
#583
He has two posts in this thread... one of which was him signing up and the other post was made before the game even started.

Considering I have access to everyone's complete posting history it wasn't difficult to determine the inactives.
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Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
March 19 2009 09:27 GMT
#584
On March 19 2009 18:08 Pika Chu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2009 17:58 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
On March 19 2009 17:54 Pika Chu wrote:
On March 19 2009 10:26 fusionsdf wrote:
On March 19 2009 09:41 Pika Chu wrote:
I change my vote for BloodyC0bbler.

It looks like i'm going to be the first lynched. After you'll see i'm innocent i hope you will grow up and stop being so naive.

Honestly, all the "clues" and connections that point me are very very forced. How is in any way better to lynch me if you think i'm more innocent than guilty? I mean it makes absolutely no sense since you are loosing one of your own, and the purpose is to kill mafia not kill your own just because it's the only one who has some weak clues pointing to him.

And you don't even know my role, so you are risking killing a medic, or a bodyguard or a vigilante just because you have no better alternative. Basically risk loosing the game because you can't simply think outside the box and step by the first evidence you were given.

And for those telling me to find clues. I honestly don't want to blame anyone. The only thing Pyrr did was find a clue and try and force connections with someone. I'm not going to try and frame someone like it's been done on me, for the sole purpose of not wanting to be found guilty when you'll be lynching one of ours because of my "findings".

Remember guys, it's finding clues, making connections and finding the guy that is hard, not the way around. Finding the guy then making connections and finding clues is the easy way and it's the trap you've been set and most are falling into.


look, I don't want you to be lynched. If you want to stay alive, why not due some clue analysis of your own?

If someone is a more likely suspect than you then it makes you safer right?

I should point out that the first game MTF played this came up and he was about to be lynched. We encouraged to save himself, and he did by posting amazing clue analyses.

Don't get mad at us if you get lynched; its because you didnt put enough effort into keeping yourself alive.

About the inactives: yes, thats also a good method to lynch on. Does anyone have a list of inactives?


Look, i couldn't care less if i get lynched, it's a game and it's the first time i play it.

What i do care about is that you aren't thinking. Too many of you aren't reading all the posts and are way too enthusiast when they've been given a track, they even stop questioning over it and just go with the band wagon.

And the second problem is, this stupid mentality of blaming someone else. I really really hate this mentality and i believe only retarded people use this who don't have enough integrity to stand on their own feet and you are telling me to use it and find someone to blame? Seriously man what am i, a 10 year kiddo or do i look retarded to you?

Now i've realized that most (which have actually voted for pyrr) aren't really looking for clues and don't even care, they are only looking for show. And sorry but i am not willing to contribute to this senseless show, i prefer keeping things simple and honest.

It's exactly like politics. Some people really don't give a fuck to what they say, they just watch the show and think "man, he did blame the other one for being a pedo? this guy is cool, i'm voting for him".

Take a good look at everyone who voted for pyrr, they aren't interested in reasoning but in bandwagoning the simple stuff. Throw a bone and they'll fetch it, no questions asked.


ur a fuckin pedo


Would you please force some clues on that too?


I'm tempted to, but I want us to be best friends forever <3.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
March 19 2009 09:28 GMT
#585
Also, I don't want to be banned from next game as a troublemaker I want everyone to love me.
Pika Chu
Profile Blog Joined August 2005
Romania2510 Posts
March 19 2009 09:31 GMT
#586
On March 19 2009 18:27 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2009 18:08 Pika Chu wrote:
On March 19 2009 17:58 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
On March 19 2009 17:54 Pika Chu wrote:
On March 19 2009 10:26 fusionsdf wrote:
On March 19 2009 09:41 Pika Chu wrote:
I change my vote for BloodyC0bbler.

It looks like i'm going to be the first lynched. After you'll see i'm innocent i hope you will grow up and stop being so naive.

Honestly, all the "clues" and connections that point me are very very forced. How is in any way better to lynch me if you think i'm more innocent than guilty? I mean it makes absolutely no sense since you are loosing one of your own, and the purpose is to kill mafia not kill your own just because it's the only one who has some weak clues pointing to him.

And you don't even know my role, so you are risking killing a medic, or a bodyguard or a vigilante just because you have no better alternative. Basically risk loosing the game because you can't simply think outside the box and step by the first evidence you were given.

And for those telling me to find clues. I honestly don't want to blame anyone. The only thing Pyrr did was find a clue and try and force connections with someone. I'm not going to try and frame someone like it's been done on me, for the sole purpose of not wanting to be found guilty when you'll be lynching one of ours because of my "findings".

Remember guys, it's finding clues, making connections and finding the guy that is hard, not the way around. Finding the guy then making connections and finding clues is the easy way and it's the trap you've been set and most are falling into.


look, I don't want you to be lynched. If you want to stay alive, why not due some clue analysis of your own?

If someone is a more likely suspect than you then it makes you safer right?

I should point out that the first game MTF played this came up and he was about to be lynched. We encouraged to save himself, and he did by posting amazing clue analyses.

Don't get mad at us if you get lynched; its because you didnt put enough effort into keeping yourself alive.

About the inactives: yes, thats also a good method to lynch on. Does anyone have a list of inactives?


Look, i couldn't care less if i get lynched, it's a game and it's the first time i play it.

What i do care about is that you aren't thinking. Too many of you aren't reading all the posts and are way too enthusiast when they've been given a track, they even stop questioning over it and just go with the band wagon.

And the second problem is, this stupid mentality of blaming someone else. I really really hate this mentality and i believe only retarded people use this who don't have enough integrity to stand on their own feet and you are telling me to use it and find someone to blame? Seriously man what am i, a 10 year kiddo or do i look retarded to you?

Now i've realized that most (which have actually voted for pyrr) aren't really looking for clues and don't even care, they are only looking for show. And sorry but i am not willing to contribute to this senseless show, i prefer keeping things simple and honest.

It's exactly like politics. Some people really don't give a fuck to what they say, they just watch the show and think "man, he did blame the other one for being a pedo? this guy is cool, i'm voting for him".

Take a good look at everyone who voted for pyrr, they aren't interested in reasoning but in bandwagoning the simple stuff. Throw a bone and they'll fetch it, no questions asked.


ur a fuckin pedo


Would you please force some clues on that too?


I'm tempted to, but I want us to be best friends forever <3.


<3
They first ignore you. After they laugh at you. Next they will fight you. In the end you will win.
Pyrrhuloxia
Profile Blog Joined May 2008
United States6700 Posts
March 19 2009 09:34 GMT
#587
On March 19 2009 18:31 Pika Chu wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 19 2009 18:27 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
On March 19 2009 18:08 Pika Chu wrote:
On March 19 2009 17:58 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
On March 19 2009 17:54 Pika Chu wrote:
On March 19 2009 10:26 fusionsdf wrote:
On March 19 2009 09:41 Pika Chu wrote:
I change my vote for BloodyC0bbler.

It looks like i'm going to be the first lynched. After you'll see i'm innocent i hope you will grow up and stop being so naive.

Honestly, all the "clues" and connections that point me are very very forced. How is in any way better to lynch me if you think i'm more innocent than guilty? I mean it makes absolutely no sense since you are loosing one of your own, and the purpose is to kill mafia not kill your own just because it's the only one who has some weak clues pointing to him.

And you don't even know my role, so you are risking killing a medic, or a bodyguard or a vigilante just because you have no better alternative. Basically risk loosing the game because you can't simply think outside the box and step by the first evidence you were given.

And for those telling me to find clues. I honestly don't want to blame anyone. The only thing Pyrr did was find a clue and try and force connections with someone. I'm not going to try and frame someone like it's been done on me, for the sole purpose of not wanting to be found guilty when you'll be lynching one of ours because of my "findings".

Remember guys, it's finding clues, making connections and finding the guy that is hard, not the way around. Finding the guy then making connections and finding clues is the easy way and it's the trap you've been set and most are falling into.


look, I don't want you to be lynched. If you want to stay alive, why not due some clue analysis of your own?

If someone is a more likely suspect than you then it makes you safer right?

I should point out that the first game MTF played this came up and he was about to be lynched. We encouraged to save himself, and he did by posting amazing clue analyses.

Don't get mad at us if you get lynched; its because you didnt put enough effort into keeping yourself alive.

About the inactives: yes, thats also a good method to lynch on. Does anyone have a list of inactives?


Look, i couldn't care less if i get lynched, it's a game and it's the first time i play it.

What i do care about is that you aren't thinking. Too many of you aren't reading all the posts and are way too enthusiast when they've been given a track, they even stop questioning over it and just go with the band wagon.

And the second problem is, this stupid mentality of blaming someone else. I really really hate this mentality and i believe only retarded people use this who don't have enough integrity to stand on their own feet and you are telling me to use it and find someone to blame? Seriously man what am i, a 10 year kiddo or do i look retarded to you?

Now i've realized that most (which have actually voted for pyrr) aren't really looking for clues and don't even care, they are only looking for show. And sorry but i am not willing to contribute to this senseless show, i prefer keeping things simple and honest.

It's exactly like politics. Some people really don't give a fuck to what they say, they just watch the show and think "man, he did blame the other one for being a pedo? this guy is cool, i'm voting for him".

Take a good look at everyone who voted for pyrr, they aren't interested in reasoning but in bandwagoning the simple stuff. Throw a bone and they'll fetch it, no questions asked.


ur a fuckin pedo


Would you please force some clues on that too?


I'm tempted to, but I want us to be best friends forever <3.


<3

semioldguy
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
United States7488 Posts
March 19 2009 09:42 GMT
#588
Anyway... I've had a long and taxing day

I'm going to sleep. I'll be at work and probably buzzing around Team Liquid while my boss thinks I'm doing other things about 7 hours from now.
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Chuiu
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
3470 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-19 13:17:53
March 19 2009 13:17 GMT
#589
[image loading]


And so with the elections over with the newly appointed Mayor, semioldguy ordered for the execution of RebirthOfLegend. The town rejoiced in their victory.
♞
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
March 19 2009 13:18 GMT
#590
L
M
A
O

omg I don't think we'll ever hear the end of RoL complaining now
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
iLoveKT
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
Philippines3615 Posts
March 19 2009 13:22 GMT
#591
wow. good job whatever randomizer semioldguy used.
Woo Jung Ho
Rice
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States1332 Posts
March 19 2009 13:28 GMT
#592
damnit, I missed the voting... been busy past few days
Freedom will be defended at the cost of civil liberties.
Rice
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States1332 Posts
March 19 2009 13:30 GMT
#593
also... if we're going to use the hands behind head clue, 3 Lions would be capable of disarming a person with a pair of hands behind his head.
Freedom will be defended at the cost of civil liberties.
Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
March 19 2009 13:31 GMT
#594
Ooo, one down nine to go.
靈魂交響曲
Mandalor
Profile Blog Joined February 2003
Germany2362 Posts
March 19 2009 13:38 GMT
#595
lol it's funny seeing how some people said stuff like "oh nooo not RoL" :D
gj semioldguy!
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
March 19 2009 13:43 GMT
#596
*Once again steps up on podium, adjusts tie and waves arms to quiet the crowd down*

Ladies and Gentleman, I present to you - The Plan.

I came up with this while making a sandwich last night, so I'm pretty sure this is going to work.

The idea from this plan sprang from the mindset of the DTs not being able to be rallied. It also comes from the realization that medics can not protect enough vet players this game, so unfortunately some of us will die. We've got to use this little disadvantage and turn it into something positive, and I've come up with an idea.

I'm going to put myself in the shoes of a Mafia player for a second. If I wanted to kill any vet players this game, this is a list of players I'd target for Night 1 death above all else.


Camlito
Qatol
BloodyC0bbler
Ver
Caller
Bockit
iNfuNdiBuLuM
Ace
MrBabyHands
Versatile
Scaramanga
JL13


That's a list of twelve potential targets, for fun let's call them the The Zodiac Brave.

This list is important, because it gives us a place to start. I've got a feeling that somebody on this list is mafia, in fact 3 of them wouldn't be unreasonable. since these are the prime players in the game - if any of these players die during the Night it tightens the suspicion noose on the remaining ones. It also gives the medics a place to focus protections. Sure, the mafia could ignore this list and kill off other players but I'm sure they know letting any of these people live for too long is dangerous.

Now for the hard part - Detectives. I'm going to ask you to ignore these players. Literally, just don't even investigate them unless something like a major clue points to them, it's obvious something fishy is wrong with them, or you need to confirm their ID to speak with them about something critical. Focus your investigations on people not on the list.

Secondly, to the Town in general. Use this list as the start of your clue referencing. Clues are much easier to link when you already have a name in mind. Instead of looking through every profile and trying to match every little clue up - you've got this list of 12 names right here. After Night 1 goes away, the second set of clues + the first Day's clues should be enough to find something on someone listed.

Also, we have to decide who the Sheriff should lock up for the night. It has to be one of these 12. No matter what we try to do, the medics can't protect everyone and the Mafia will stack kills even with RoL dead to take out some vets. Whoever we lock up out of the vets, has to be plain green Towny. Sure they might have to role claim but we can't afford to lock up any critical blue roles on Night 1.

And last but not least - semioldguy. While lynching RoL was a good thing it says nothing about whether he is innocent or not. In fact, I think he's innocent but it doesn't matter. Do not send him any information. His innocence will be proven based on his actions during the game. Same goes for BC.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
March 19 2009 13:49 GMT
#597
Also forgot to add this, since I'll be posting pretty much everything publicly this game.

semioldguy might be a Detective. I was informed he lightweight role-claimed earlier. That's not too bad, but if he really is a blue that ran for Mayor/Sheriff to get protected then that's very good and lucky for us. It's possible he clue checked RoL and caught him but didn't come out and say it for his own safety until he won the election - but that's a stretch.

Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Ace
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States16096 Posts
March 19 2009 14:06 GMT
#598

1. Camlito
3. BloodyC0bbler
8. Lurker
9. ydg
13. Night[Mare
14. JeeJee
17. RebirthOfLeGenD
24. Snet
32. MrBabyHands
33. Centric
34. Kennigit
35. Icysoul
37. Versatile
38. blue_arrow
39. RaGe
43. Lucktar
46. Humbug
50. motbob
57. nemY
59. semioldguy
60. aZnvaLiaNce
64. Rice
65. JL13


This is BC's list of people that haven't voted.



Phrujbaz
0cz3c
Mista
Pika Chu
TruthBringer
TranceStorm
dreamflower
CynanMachae
ZaplinG
LucasWoJ
redtooth
ydg
MrBabyHands


This is the list of people that have voted for semioldguy. Of the 2 suspicious lists I'm more interested in the latter. The first list could be inactives and mafia, but the second list are all active posters. That means they have to have thought about their votes. However, with testimony from several players and semioldguy never even playing a game on the site before he somehow manages enough votes to snag a position. It's hard to tell if this is a bandwagon voting thing or mafia ploy. Regardless the only vet player sticking out on this list is Mr.BabyHands who voted for him probably because it didn't matter, or he'd rather have him in office than Pyrr. If we assume that veteran mafia would want mafia in office, we could also assume they'd have voted for Semi and we'd see more names from the 12 here. Good thing we won't use this assumption. Detectives this is probably the list you want to start role checking.

Of course the first list has a few vet names, but Versatile voted and so did MBH. Camlito has been oddly quiet so far and so has JL13. Both could be really inactive at the moment, but by Day 2 they'd have to show up. If not then it's good to start looking at clues pointing to them and make them higher priority than the other 12.

And of course, the most interesting list of all:


MrBabyHands - 7
Ace
Ver
Caller
Bockit
iNfuNdiBuLuM
Versatile
nemY


Almost all of them being players I'd listed under veterans. Of course I didn't list nemy, but like I told Ver in a PM exchange nemy is a pretty good player most of the time and he's dangerous because he's literally just too much in the shadows even though he posts. People just don't seem to notice him for some reason. He's just as dangerous as the other people.
Math me up, scumboi. - Acrofales
Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
March 19 2009 14:07 GMT
#599
On March 19 2009 22:30 Rice wrote:
also... if we're going to use the hands behind head clue, 3 Lions would be capable of disarming a person with a pair of hands behind his head.


That's a very good point, I must admit I hadn't spent TOO much time looking through the list, I mainly post when I see things which I think are wrong, such was my belief about the pikachu clues (I was against the notion that they had no plausibility). I think you'll find I wasn't advocating a lynch, just defending the clue analysis.

All that said, having done some more thinking about it, I think that it might be incorrect to assume this is a creature with 4 legs, because if it put its hands behind its back and managed to run while leaning forward, it's going to fall flat on it's face? I guess what we take from this is that there is (the possibility of) a persona who has the ability to grab things without his hands, indicating possibly extra limbs, tail, extendable tongue who knows.
Their are four errors in this sentance.
Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
March 19 2009 14:29 GMT
#600
These lists that Ace has come up with are very interesting, it's almost like creating detective lists without detectives. What makes them useful I guess is this concept of Propensity To Be Targetted (PTBT).

If we make a list of 7 hypothetical people, on average we have 1 mafia (rounded down) in the list. If amongst these 7 people, there is a high PTBT then that list is very quickly going to be brought down to 2 or 3 people. At which point we're looking at 1/2 or 1/3 people are mafia (That last bit is the bit I'm unsure on, while I did a decent level of maths in HS, I haven't really touched it in 4 years >_>).

I'm not sure how well this holds up, I mean, why not just break the whole thing into lists of 4 or so people and try and stack PTBT, maybe the whole thing works because it's perceived to work. Actually now I think about it, it only works if you use a small amount of these lists, otherwise you dilute the whole process and it approaches 1/5 chance of anyone being mafia again.

I'm not sure what you can conclusively draw from this, I get the feeling I'm trying to look for something like 'mafia can't really target the people on these lists because then they are exposing their own players' giving the people on these lists a perceptual protection from being targetted but I'm not sure I'm there yet.

That was a bit of a ramble but I guess see what we can do with it while we wait for the morning's clues.

Btw amazing luck with that lynch
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