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Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
March 20 2009 11:46 GMT
#770
Ok I just read the whole thing, why not use the double lynch? You've built a considerable case against both, I can't find any real points to disagree on personally on either account, I say go for the double.
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Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-20 11:54:57
March 20 2009 11:50 GMT
#771
Something about Caller too. If he is mafia, it means one of the 4 candidates BC, SOG, Pyrr or MBH are mafia. Why? The only reason for him to cancel his election is to get another mafia player into power. There are huge, huge positives for having a mafia player in that position of power (Rolechecks show up as sheriff/mayor and not mafia), so the only reason I can come up with for him to pull out like that would be to instead get another of the mafia players into office.

Which means we should look at who he voted for, and who else voted for them.

Keep in mind this only matters if he flips red, but if he does, then yeah, we might catch a crapload of mafia.

EDIT: Editing because I refuse to triple post:

Hahahahaha.

He voted for MBH, which is coincidentally who I voted for. Teach me to hit submit before checking these things.

I guess it's possible he voted off the mafia train so as to lessen the suspicion on himself aftr pulling out of the election.

Again this is all relevant only if Caller is in fact mafia.
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Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
March 21 2009 04:41 GMT
#817
Just trying to recreate the kill lists, without even looking for clues, I think it might be safe to assume Ver used his vigi hit on scaramanga, and then mafia got 3 hits in

1)Qatol
2)Ver
3)Camlito

Either mafia stacked hits or the medics did well.
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Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
March 21 2009 05:12 GMT
#824
I guess that adds up with the him urging the town to lynch Scara, I guess he wouldn't have stressed the point so much if he was going to up and vigi him anyway.
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Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
March 21 2009 05:50 GMT
#830
On March 21 2009 14:38 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
I don;'t think Ver could have use his vigi hit? I thought the only role that could act night 1 was medic and dt?


"All roles must be used at night and only the Detective clue check ability and Medic ability may be used on Day 1."

Ah I see.

In that case, we should try and look at why mafia killed Scaramanga despite him being in the town's sights for a possible lynch. It doesn't make sense to me why they'd do our work for us.
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Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-21 12:20:45
March 21 2009 12:19 GMT
#877
Well at this point, I'm all for voting for mandalor.

Possibilities that I can see:

1)SoG is mafia
a)Mandalor is mafia and he's sacrificing a likely-to-be-killed mafia member to gain our trust
b)Mandalor is town aligned and I can't explain why this scenario would ever happen given the current state of things (SoG elected office etc)

2)SoG is a detective
a)Mandalor is mafia
b)Mandalor is a miller

3)SoG is a townie

So 1b) and 3) are stupid but there for the sake of completion.

Leaving: 1a) 2a) and 2b)

1a) and 2a) get us a mafia kill. 2b) gets us not much.

Statistics put put the chance of him being a miller reasonably low. Also we have the behavioural analysis of Ver/MBH.

Thus:

I vote for Mandalor

I vote for a double lynch tomorrow

I do this because we already have rice lined up and we'll have more clues to work with (we've barely scraped the surface of Day 2 clues as it is...) so it's very likely we'll have 2 prime suspects. That's leaving alone out other behavioural analysis that gets done.

EDIT: BBCode >_>
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Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
March 21 2009 12:25 GMT
#880
On March 21 2009 21:18 semioldguy wrote:
Of course just because we have Mandalor doesn't mean we should stop doing other things (not that I'm accusing anyone of this, just want to make sure it doesn't happen).

We should still decide if we want to double lynch tomorrow.

Also all this time we are going to be saving discussing a lynch target can now be used for other areas like finding potential clues or where to go looking for the next red after Mandalor.


I'm for the double lynch, as explained in my prior post. I also think our first target should be rice. He has tried the copout post "my generic picture has always caused these kind of false clue accusations", however due to the fact that the paragraph of clues pretty much describes his picture with all the different clues in it, I'm inclined to disagree with the 'generic' argument. However I propose that to prove this, we use SoGs cluecheck on one of the clues in the paragraph of clues, to see if it links to rice

+ Show Spoiler [Redtooth's post in case people m…] +

On March 21 2009 15:04 redtooth wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2009 13:33 Chuiu wrote:
Across from where Camlito had died Qatol was frozen still staring down a man dressed in black. He heard a clicking sound from the mans coat and was sure he was armed to the teeth, ready to shoot him any second. Well he inched his way back towards the seats while his would be killer stood a few rows up and waited. Once Qatol was close enough he decided to make a break for it, he ducked under the cover of the seats and started running towards Camlito's corpse; the area now vacant of any other mafia. He was halfway and didn't hear any gunshots so he looked up and saw the man jumping from seat to seat barely keeping his balance before he moved to the next one and slowly closing in. Qatol stood up and ran full speed now but it was too late, the man jumped down on him from behind and brought him to the ground. As they struggled Qatol saw a glint of metal and thinking it was a gun tried to push it away, but his hand wasn't pushing away something it was pushing in. The knife penetrated Qatols right hand and his killer was rocking it back and forth making the wound hurt more. Screaming in pain and losing his strength quickly Qatol had no chance of defending himself as the knife continued forth and penetrated his chest.
Haha too easy. Rice's profile picture has a few gangsters showing off their thugness to the crowd. If you look closely, many of the descriptions fit perfectly with the picture. All of them are dressed in black, the man in the back has a coat, and the center man is holding a knife near his eye. Now these are generic clues but the key giveaway is "armed to the teeth". If you are so armed then why would you waste your time with a knife? Because you are literally armed to the teeth. Look at the man on the right. He has silverish fangs that could easily be considered weapons.
+ Show Spoiler [Rice's Profile Picture] +
[image loading]

Sucks to be you.

edited with hyperlink and red coloring. i love to make an impact in each of my posts. once again, no content change.

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Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
March 21 2009 12:29 GMT
#884
On March 21 2009 21:25 semioldguy wrote:
@ Bockit

I'd say Mandalor has a greater chance statistically to be a Miller than he has that chance based on behavioral analysis (meaning that I believe his actual chances of being Miller to be much less than my post of 18%). Just my opinion though.


At this risk of sounding stupid, I think I'm missing something here, can you re-explain what you mean by this?

In my post I was saying (I think..) that Mandalor has a smaller chance of being a miller showing up as a mafia to your detective rolecheck, than him being a mafia showing up as a mafia to your detective rolecheck. I was then saying I think the behaviour analysis by Ver and MBH is enough for me to discount this small chance (of him being a miller) and be willing to vote for mandalor on the blind logic of you having called him out and roleclaiming dt.
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Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
March 21 2009 12:30 GMT
#885
On March 21 2009 21:26 semioldguy wrote:
I need to use my cluecheck on a Day One clue


Oh shit I forgot about that
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Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
March 21 2009 12:33 GMT
#887
On March 21 2009 21:32 semioldguy wrote:
We're saying the same thing... I also think that with the behavioral analysis it is enough to largely toss aside the small chance he is a Miller.


Haha ok, sorry.
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Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
March 21 2009 14:45 GMT
#894
On March 21 2009 23:27 RaGe wrote:
Hmm, I don't agree with a double lynch. The outcome of Mandalor's lynch will give us important information, and the case against Rice and Tricode seems pretty weak to me.


Double lynch isn't for tonight, it's for tomorrow night.
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Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
March 22 2009 06:09 GMT
#999
On March 22 2009 15:02 Fishball wrote:
So we already have enough votes for double lynch.
I assume we could cast our 2nd lynch in now?

Mandalor is pretty much dead no matter what, so I'll just leave my first vote at Rice.

I vote my second lynch vote on Humbug

edit: typo


double lynch is for tomorrow I believe
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Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
March 22 2009 09:55 GMT
#1014
On March 22 2009 18:29 Fishball wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2009 16:52 semioldguy wrote:
The double lynch is NOT auto-passed at this point. People should still vote for it if they want it to pass since with each additional voter it increases the difficulty to pass the double lynch by another one-half of a vote. meaning if 14 people spam voted right now without also voting to double lynch, we would get no double lynch tomorrow since the 21 votes we have now would no longer be equat to half of the voters.


I'm just going with what Chuiu has on page 50.

He specifically wrote "29 (16 needed)", so your argument is null.


"The vote must exceed half the number of players voting that day."

Plus the number he gave (29, 16) match the requirements sog is describing.
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Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
March 24 2009 00:00 GMT
#1094
On March 24 2009 08:42 semioldguy wrote:
I definitely want to hear from others how we should handle this as a town.


I'm imagining it now, the ultimate mafia ploy. SoG (godfather) says he's a DT, lynches a mafia for us, then these other 'dts' roleclaim to him (mafia) and he announces in the thread that he has now been contacted by the other two dts and that if there are any dts out there that he hasn't been in contact with regarding their dt status, they might have some mafia. Three real dts roleclaim to SoG and the next night we have 3 dead dts.

It's possible, I think also that a godfather tradeoff for 3 dts is probably worth it from the mafia perspective.

I'm not saying SoG is godfather, more that in the interests of the town, I think the dts shouldn't be roleclaiming to anyone quite just yet.

As for the clues to check from day 1 (I realise I'm a bit late in the night now, but just in case you haven't checked yet and are still unsure), I think any of the three dreamflower listed would be good ones to try and pin on a player.
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Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
March 24 2009 00:03 GMT
#1096
Also, where is Ace? He's in the lockup but that doesn't stop him being able to speak. And being in lockup, he can't be killed tonight, which means it was his chance to go nuts with clue/behaviour/plans and be safe for another night.
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Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
March 24 2009 00:04 GMT
#1097
On March 24 2009 09:02 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 24 2009 09:00 Bockit wrote:
On March 24 2009 08:42 semioldguy wrote:
I definitely want to hear from others how we should handle this as a town.


I'm imagining it now, the ultimate mafia ploy. SoG (godfather) says he's a DT, lynches a mafia for us, then these other 'dts' roleclaim to him (mafia) and he announces in the thread that he has now been contacted by the other two dts and that if there are any dts out there that he hasn't been in contact with regarding their dt status, they might have some mafia. Three real dts roleclaim to SoG and the next night we have 3 dead dts.

It's possible, I think also that a godfather tradeoff for 3 dts is probably worth it from the mafia perspective.

I'm not saying SoG is godfather, more that in the interests of the town, I think the dts shouldn't be roleclaiming to anyone quite just yet.

As for the clues to check from day 1 (I realise I'm a bit late in the night now, but just in case you haven't checked yet and are still unsure), I think any of the three dreamflower listed would be good ones to try and pin on a player.

SoG doesn't even have to be godfather because all he can be rolechecked to is Mayor.


I forgot about that, an even better tradeoff then.

Still conjecture, but enough reason for dts *not* to roleclaim to SoG.
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Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-24 06:43:28
March 24 2009 06:42 GMT
#1180
Ok first things first, Pyrr, I love the work you're doing but can you please use quote tags instead of copy pasting from the thread? I can't work out who's saying what sometimes

Secondly, They're ripping through that list of 12 eh? Feeling a little worried now >_>

Thirdly, grats to the vigi who hit tricode.

And finally:

## I vote for scooter and humbug

I'm not convinced by any means that rice isn't mafia, but I'm happy to go with the consensus on today's vote.

Tricode's posts really don't make bloodycobbler look very good. We can't forget that it's very very very likely one of bloodycobbler, semioldguy, mrbabyhands or pyrr is mafia. The benefits of getting into the sheriff or mayor position are just too good for a mafia player for them to ignore it because of the spotlight effect.

EDIT: Reworded a sentence.
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Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-03-25 10:56:45
March 25 2009 09:46 GMT
#1268
## I change my vote from Humbug to LeperKahn

Because that seems to be the general consensus of things to do. It might be a good idea to check the previously asscociated with humbug clue (the stuff falling from the pocket) on pyrr. I'll work on a recap much like my day 1 clue recap for the game till this point, we can probably work from there.

EDIT: Really late, spelling in the vote message was wrong.
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Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
March 25 2009 13:49 GMT
#1269
FFS

I normally can't believe people manage to do this but I just lost everything I was typing up.

I'll redo it in the morning when I wake up...

Something interesting I found out while I was doing it all, the clue about the biker dude, with snakes and cross tattoos, and indecipherable stuff. I wonder if the indecipherable stuff is the most important bit of the clue. I thought this was pretty strong so I looked through all the profiles for stuff like Ascii art in signatures. Unfortunately no ascii art, but Fishball does have a bunch of chinese(?) characters in his signature. Could be counted as indecipherable. It did seem like a stronger clue though when I didn't know nobody had any ascii in their signatures I guess just another thing to keep in mind.
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Bockit
Profile Blog Joined November 2004
Sydney2287 Posts
March 25 2009 15:01 GMT
#1272
On March 25 2009 23:05 Fishball wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2009 22:49 Bockit wrote:
FFS

I normally can't believe people manage to do this but I just lost everything I was typing up.

I'll redo it in the morning when I wake up...

Something interesting I found out while I was doing it all, the clue about the biker dude, with snakes and cross tattoos, and indecipherable stuff. I wonder if the indecipherable stuff is the most important bit of the clue. I thought this was pretty strong so I looked through all the profiles for stuff like Ascii art in signatures. Unfortunately no ascii art, but Fishball does have a bunch of chinese(?) characters in his signature. Could be counted as indecipherable. It did seem like a stronger clue though when I didn't know nobody had any ascii in their signatures I guess just another thing to keep in mind.


There is a reason I didn't even bother to respond to that so called "musical note" clue mentioned a few pages ago, but this stuff is pretty entertaining when I actually see my name being mentioned

I must... resist!!!


Hahaha

Yeah I've pretty much ignored the stuff linked to me too, due to its tenuous nature there's not much to refute.
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