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On December 31 2008 00:43 Bockit wrote: Just wondering if we can have extended day for the first day as it's just about to be nye and I can imagine most of us are going to be inactive over the next 48 hour~ period? And by inactive you mean inebriated.
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On December 31 2008 02:51 Caller wrote:+ Show Spoiler +http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0gRDyECiOQ DAYThey told Caller don't you ever come around here Don't wanna see your face, you better disappear The beer is in their head and their words aren’t really clear So Beat It, Just Beat It Caller turned to run, He tried to do what he can Don't wanna see no blood, Don't be a macho man He wanna be tough, better do what he can So Beat It, But he wanna be bad Just Beat It, Beat It, Beat It, Beat It No one Wants To Be Defeated Showin' How Funky Strong Is Your Fight It Doesn't Matter Where’s Wrong Or Right Just Beat It, Beat It Just Beat It, Beat It Just Beat It, Beat It Just Beat It, Beat It They're Out To Get Him, Better Leave While You Can Don't Wanna Be A Boy, You Wanna Be A Man He Wanna Stay Alive, Better Do What He Can So Beat It, Just Beat It Caller has to show them that there’s fighters to wear He’s playin' with his life, this ain't no truth or dare, They'll Kick You, Then They Beat You, Then They'll Tell You It's Fair So Beat It, But You Wanna Be Bad Just Beat It, Beat It, Beat It, Beat It No One Wants To Be Defeated Showin' How Funky Strong Is Your Fight It Doesn't Matter Who's Wrong Or Right Just Beat It, Beat It, Beat It, Beat It No One Wants To Be Defeated Showin' How Funky Strong Is Your Fight It Doesn't Matter Who's Wrong Or Right Just Beat It, Beat It, Beat It, Beat It, Beat It NoclueareaVote somebody to be lynched at http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=85035 So this is what I found in terms of lyric changes. Instead of
"You Have To Show Them That You're Really Not Scared"
We have
Caller has to show them that there’s fighters to wear
Otherwise the only clues are possibly the difference between "You" and "He", and perhaps only two cycles of the chorus at the end as opposed to the original six.
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Shit missed
The beer is in their head and their words aren’t really clear
as opposed to
The Fire's In Their Eyes And Their Words Are Really Clear
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On December 31 2008 03:06 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2008 03:05 mikeymoo wrote: Shit missed
The beer is in their head and their words aren’t really clear
as opposed to
The Fire's In Their Eyes And Their Words Are Really Clear just a heads up just because i changed something doesn't mean its a clue and vice versa ^^^^^ Was gonna mention that but didn't want to triple post or edit. Also, you ninja edited the video
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Working on another angle, does anybody on the list "Beat it"?
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No need to check if you're insane. I'm blue. Lynch BC.
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Actually scratch that. Vigi BC because he could be VI. I somehow missed the VI role when scanning this game.
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On December 31 2008 06:05 Ver wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2008 06:04 mikeymoo wrote: Actually scratch that. Vigi BC because he could be VI. I somehow missed the VI role when scanning this game. Why would we risk vigi'ing someone who's a potential mafia when the mafia doc is around? Because BC's move is so retarded if he's mafia. Vigi hit misses, we lynch him the next day. I know from playing with BC that he's smart enough to figure things out. This move just reeks of Village Idiot. Or wait if we lynch him do we continue playing? Or is it Village Idiot wins?
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Well I guess it comes down to who you can trust. You say I'm green/red. I say I'm blue.
Why lynch me if I'm green or red? More likely I am green and you are insane, so the lynch is a waste. Why not let mafia kill me and then you can check? This move is pointless for a DT.
If you rolechecked over 2-3 days and then shared your results, maybe the mafia would've hit one of your checks by that point, and you can prove whether you are sane/insane. But checking me now and being like ALARM ALARM mikeymoo is red is ridiculous. It makes no sense.
Thanks for the analysis JL13. Usually in games like this is you type a well thought out post about 6 people will ninja you.
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On December 31 2008 06:22 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2008 06:18 Ace wrote: why are you guys even listening to anything other than cold logic: Lynch BC first. Thats the same logic you used in game 3 to save yourself from being killed from folca's dt check. One that then and even now doesn't make too much sense. Hence why you would use it against him now. Why would Ace + myself put ourselves in the line of fire to save me? It's such a bad move by two good players.
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Lynching me is a shot in the dark. We don't know what percentage of detectives are insane, or the ratio of mafia. Ace, Ver, JeeJee, and myself have all posted intelligent reasoning as to why I shouldn't be lynched tonight. If the town SERIOUSLY cannot see the holes in BC's logic, we're screwed anyway. I'm gone for a while, I suppose I will have to defend myself more later.
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On December 31 2008 07:01 JL13 wrote:
With scenario 1 or 2, i think they both die... Mikeymoo... why did you roleclaim yourself blue? But I think I agree with Ace? Lynch BC first?
By roleclaiming blue, whenever I die (or if a DT checks me), people will realize they can trust everything that I said. Also, as I'm not a DT or Jack, mafia doesn't gain all too much by killing me on Night 1. Okay now I'm out. For real.
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BC is posting a lot because he's defending himself from a foolish move/excited he's going to die because he's VI. I assure you I have a blue role. Everyone's speculation on my claim is correct. A red DOES have motivation to claim blue, as does a green. As BC said, it's a "he lies no he lies" situation. I implore everybody to listen to common sense and reread what everyone has posted. BC is acting weird. It's very apparent. Also as BC said, this happens EVERY GAME. So why would he come out in the open? It's not "to get the ball rolling" as he said, but because everyone knows this happens on day one, and it happens with the same result. The accused dies. He's trying to kill me, obviously. Or he's trying to get lynched. And he also doesn't know if I'm mafia or not. If he was Jack and KNEW I was red, then there is a good reason to lynch me today. Why let BC know if he is insane right away? This is just so mind-shatteringly stupid.
I flip red: Bloodyc0bbler is legit? Not necessarily. Could be a mafia ploy. No info. I flip blue: Oh well way to go town. BC is mafia/VI I flip green: Good job town again. No info yet again.
And if I die, keep watch over everybody who voted for me. There is almost no case against me, and people who voted for me are likely retarded/mafia.
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On December 31 2008 10:21 Caller wrote: Day ends in 14 hours Ugh. That's such awkward timing for me- last defense pleas tonight I guess.
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On December 31 2008 10:24 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2008 10:17 mikeymoo wrote: BC is posting a lot because he's defending himself from a foolish move/excited he's going to die because he's VI. I assure you I have a blue role. Everyone's speculation on my claim is correct. A red DOES have motivation to claim blue, as does a green. As BC said, it's a "he lies no he lies" situation. I implore everybody to listen to common sense and reread what everyone has posted. BC is acting weird. It's very apparent. Also as BC said, this happens EVERY GAME. So why would he come out in the open? It's not "to get the ball rolling" as he said, but because everyone knows this happens on day one, and it happens with the same result. The accused dies. He's trying to kill me, obviously. Or he's trying to get lynched. And he also doesn't know if I'm mafia or not. If he was Jack and KNEW I was red, then there is a good reason to lynch me today. Why let BC know if he is insane right away? This is just so mind-shatteringly stupid.
I flip red: Bloodyc0bbler is legit? Not necessarily. Could be a mafia ploy. No info. I flip blue: Oh well way to go town. BC is mafia/VI I flip green: Good job town again. No info yet again.
And if I die, keep watch over everybody who voted for me. There is almost no case against me, and people who voted for me are likely retarded/mafia. the same could be said for you too. he flips red: could be mafia ploy. he flips blue/dt: you're red/green, no real info (he could be insane) he flips green: now we have NOTHING to go on cause he was probably someone's mouthpiece But him flipping red is more likely than me. I'm essentially 20% or so to flip red- in fact I have no idea why I'm defending myself. He flips blue = retarded DT I don't actually know why a DT would pull this move. It's way too risky and puts him in the spotlight for mafia tonight. Think about it. He claims DT, I die, he gets hit, and is unable to use his power for day 2. He flips green: not really possible- I don't think anybody would use BC as a mouth this early. Considering how much he's posting, I don't think this is an option at all.
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You have played with me previously, you should know that i only play for the betterment of the town.
lol how does this have any merit?!? VI can die at night, so it's better to get lynched asap.
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On December 31 2008 10:32 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2008 10:30 mikeymoo wrote:On December 31 2008 10:24 chaoser wrote:On December 31 2008 10:17 mikeymoo wrote: BC is posting a lot because he's defending himself from a foolish move/excited he's going to die because he's VI. I assure you I have a blue role. Everyone's speculation on my claim is correct. A red DOES have motivation to claim blue, as does a green. As BC said, it's a "he lies no he lies" situation. I implore everybody to listen to common sense and reread what everyone has posted. BC is acting weird. It's very apparent. Also as BC said, this happens EVERY GAME. So why would he come out in the open? It's not "to get the ball rolling" as he said, but because everyone knows this happens on day one, and it happens with the same result. The accused dies. He's trying to kill me, obviously. Or he's trying to get lynched. And he also doesn't know if I'm mafia or not. If he was Jack and KNEW I was red, then there is a good reason to lynch me today. Why let BC know if he is insane right away? This is just so mind-shatteringly stupid.
I flip red: Bloodyc0bbler is legit? Not necessarily. Could be a mafia ploy. No info. I flip blue: Oh well way to go town. BC is mafia/VI I flip green: Good job town again. No info yet again.
And if I die, keep watch over everybody who voted for me. There is almost no case against me, and people who voted for me are likely retarded/mafia. the same could be said for you too. he flips red: could be mafia ploy. he flips blue/dt: you're red/green, no real info (he could be insane) he flips green: now we have NOTHING to go on cause he was probably someone's mouthpiece But him flipping red is more likely than me. I'm essentially 20% or so to flip red- in fact I have no idea why I'm defending myself. He flips blue = retarded DT I don't actually know why a DT would pull this move. It's way too risky and puts him in the spotlight for mafia tonight. Think about it. He claims DT, I die, he gets hit, and is unable to use his power for day 2. He flips green: not really possible- I don't think anybody would use BC as a mouth this early. Considering how much he's posting, I don't think this is an option at all. he wouldn't die if the damn medics/martyr were FUCKING RETARDED and protected him fixedddd
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On December 31 2008 10:38 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2008 10:33 mikeymoo wrote: You have played with me previously, you should know that i only play for the betterment of the town.
lol how does this have any merit?!? VI can die at night, so it's better to get lynched asap. Because a VI can just hide behind the scenes, and wait till town basically wins and be like "lynch me now" Pretty simple reason behind it. As a regular green i just hide behind the scenes and do analysis. As a blue i have to do what is the best thing for the town using my role, regardless of if i live or die. Until mafia snipes you off. Then you lose.
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lol if your posts weren't garbage I'd spaz at you for editing
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On December 31 2008 10:52 BloodyC0bbler wrote:Show nested quote +On December 31 2008 10:50 Incognito wrote: I haven't finished reading through the whole thread yet. Some useful information from some of the questions I've seen:
From: Caller Subject: Re: Kill Power Date: 12/31/08 10:47 #/2 rounded up
----------------------------------------- Original Message: Mafia kill power is...= to their members?
From: Caller Subject: Re: Sanity Date: 12/31/08 10:45 just dt
----------------------------------------- Original Message: Oh also when a DT dies, is he simply revealed as a DT or is his sanity revealedd also? It shouldn't be, the DT should flip the exact role message he was given. Um a DT isn't told his sanity. What do you mean the DT should flip the exact role message he was given?
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gotcha- thought I had you lol. no. you're too good to screw up now. in WAY over your head BC
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I assume Caller used a RNG for determining insane DT's.
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I'm out for a few hours- maybe I'll wake up dead lol Town: Read everything, and make the right decision (hint: involves not lynching me)
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Just got back, and reading over BC's latest post, it sounds like he is accusing both Ace AND myself of being mafia. He advocates that the only reason Ace is defending me is if we're both 100% mafia. However, I'm going to obviously believe it's because BC's story is full of flaws and Ace thinks he's an idiot. I cannot believe a DT hasn't checked me out. I'm blue ffs. Find a mouthpiece and get it out there! Blue! Ver, I would advocate that, but it's too risky to switch votes to someone else at once. It's pretty much tied up right now, and anybody who voted and is not checking the thread before coming back may not switch in time.
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On December 31 2008 14:46 Night[Mare wrote:believe me or not people, we have 1 confirmed mafia. I've just recieved this pm: Show nested quote + Hey, I decided to use my detective ability to role check you today. I pleasantly received that you're a blue. We can now trust each other.
0cz3c
he is lying because even when im acting like a douche, im not the village idiot. Im a bloody plain townie. So he's trying to infiltrate. Here you go, think what you must, i just offer the evidence I asked him to PM me what role I had and he guessed wrong. Don't know what you're trying to say, Night]mare (YOUR NAME IS EASIER TO TYPE YES), but I'm just going to mention my brief exchange with him. Is a mafia dumb enough to flat out guess my role?
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I'd like to take this opportunity to mention AZ voted for me and Ace voted for BC.
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Mafia 3. I'm going to bed. And for that reason I don't like switching to a 3rd party. Lots of people in North/South America will not be able to switch in time and I will get lynched. Good night all.
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On December 31 2008 15:53 ydg wrote: i dunno, if he's VI why would he put so much effort in his posts if he wants to be lynched? as opposed to mikeymoo, who hasn't really put effort in his defense. but that makes him non-mafiaesque. hm.. Are you kidding? I've put loads of effort into my defense. It's so clear cut. Listen to what Ace had to say before he died. BC then accuses Ace and I of being mafia, then Ace dies, and OOPS he's paramedic. Conclusion? Ace was not trying to fool the town. Now reread his posts. They sum up what I'm trying to say. AZ suicide bombed. Look who he voted for. Me. Look who ace voted for. BC. It's obvious BC is either VI or mafia. Bed time. I seriously can't believe people think there's more merit in lynching me.
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On December 31 2008 12:00 HeRoS)Pink wrote: I find it suspicious that mikeymoo doesnt want to sacrifice himself to give valuable information to the town. The worst possible case is that he's a blue and that BC is the village idiot
Also, mynock is defending mikeymoo way to much (he's a good player why doing such a move?), he can be mafia I'm supposed to go to sleep but I can't let this go unnoticed. I don't want to sacrifice my life for information for the town because I'm blue, for one. Secondly, BC is likely VI and that wastes the town's time for two days (if you lynch me). Mynock is a good player, yes. Why would he be defending me? Because he's smart. Just like Ace. Ace defended me as well. Was he mafia? Nope. If you'll notice, smart people from previous games are defending me. Not because they're mafia. Because they're smart. They see through BC's gaping holes.
AttackZerg voted for me. He was mafia Ace voted for BC. He was paramedic
Ace voted for BC in sound mind. REREAD ACE'S POSTS.
Maybe I'll stay up all night for this. I can't believe I just said that.
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If I die, make sure you speculate on each and every person that voted for me. Since there are no listchecks this game, mafia aren't afraid to blatantly vote for innocents. This should not be a close vote, imo. BC is lying. Reread everything and remember Ace voted for BC and AZ voted for me. I honestly don't think we can relocate to a 3rd person in time, but BC is not a DT, I assure you. He is far too smart to claim DT just so he can figure out if he's sane.
Think about this. BC calls me out. I flip red/green. BC figures out if he's sane. Mafia sends S. bomber after him (wasn't used when BC accused me) Useless.
Why would BC do such a stupid move? He's VI. It's pretty obvious. Just give him what he wants, we (town) can live on.
I feel like I've said all I can say. The decision rests with the town. (I'm half-drunk so I'm sleepy)
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On January 01 2009 01:38 Scaramanga wrote: Something that strikes me weird which is probably nothing is that caller linked to a live version of MJ instead of just a radio edit or something like that It was originally something else but it didn't embed. About Beat It = BI = Bockit, I also found the same lyrics page, each word just happens to be capitalized, and if Caller changed anything, it was lower case. Something to keep in mind though.
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On January 01 2009 00:33 Latham wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2009 00:28 malongo wrote: Nice now we have a RoL vs 0c fight. I want to ask: is there a real clue against latham?? its just to save BC/MM? Watch this thread. If Caller stays true to his word and lets this be a 48h+ day (b/c of NYE) we'll end up lynching someone completely random that has never come up this far because as of now, votes change ever few hours. I'm so confused. I was flipping shit yesterday b/c Caller said 14 more hours, but there was a request to extend it b/c of NYE. Caller, will there or will there not be an extension? Because right now there's voting three ways, and if people agree that there's no use to lynching me (ignore what alignment I am for now), I may end up with the most votes, because there was a movement to switch votes.
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On January 01 2009 01:45 Caller wrote: 15 minutes until daytime Shit. Could you at least post a running tally in the vote thread? I'm getting confused.
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lol i got a notepad file and did the dirty work myself. (counting, oh noes) Thanks for the reminder though
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Malongo. We talk. NOW. I've switched like 4 times SORRRRY CALLLERRR
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Discuss here if possible- open discussion > PMs. I think BC is VI. I don't want him to win b/c he caused me all this shit. Latham doesn't care if he gets lynched, he claimed green.
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Let the mafia do the dirty work, I'm indifferent either way, I guess. I know 100% that BC is VI/mafia so I guess I'll swing back to the other tree. Ugh.
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On January 01 2009 02:08 Camlito wrote: You better be right mikey. I'll ship my right testicle if I'm wrong. What's your address?
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If BC = village idiot, not same outcome. He gets out of our hair for the subsequent rounds. Latham may prove to be useful.
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I'm aware this does nothing to show my alignment, but I'd like to request protection tonight. The Bomber is gone, and I've proven that I am useful to the town, at least for now. DTs, if you want a sanity check, perhaps you should check Latham. I'm going to go over the town's roles and see what we can cook up in terms of a strategy. Anyone who wants to talk strategy is welcome to PM me.
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fuck you you're the VI so bad
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While you're reading this Caller, your final vote count is off I think. No effect, just that nevake voted for BC in the end.
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On January 01 2009 02:37 malongo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2009 02:34 Latham wrote:On January 01 2009 02:27 ydg wrote: hm alright, guess i was wrong but i agree with ver's analysis on lantham someone said that mafia tend to post stuff that isn't really helpful, and lantham is one of those people there are also others, such as clazz, zeks, etc. So why lynch me and not them? Because lynching a townie that gives nothing is better for the town. I trusted you. So you better start being helpful for the town instead of arguing like a monkey.
Ditto.
On a side note. *cou-MEDIC(S)PROTECTMETONIGHT-gh* (actually do what you want, I just feel like I've proven my innocence, at least for a day)
The behaviour I'm really interested in is Night]mare. We worked closely together in mafia 3, along with BC and a couple others. He's a really smart player, and he vigi'ed 2/2 in that game, one seemingly out of nowhere. He posted large amounts of analysis, and yet this game he pops up just to vote for me, it seems. Where you at, Night]mare? You busy or what?
These are just general ideas, don't take them as absolutes and yell at me.
Latham- you say you are green. Not blue, but green. Are you willing to confirm that? Because if so, DTs can use you to check their sanity.
Jacks - No idea what you should do yet, but if you don't have anything solid to do, maybe just Veteran for the night? The S. Bomber is gone so you don't have much to worry about. Oh wait shit you only get 4 chances to use a role. Hmmmm... I'll get back to that one later.
Meth Dealer - Start posting! Mafia targets you and KABOOM
Veterans - The smooth criminal is going to be a tough nut to crack. Chances are he'll target an inactive, so I don't know what the general strategy is for now.
Boondock Saints - Stay alive?
DTs - Find a mouthpiece. I would advocate myself, but that sounds sketchy as hell.
I really like to work behind the scenes, BC wasn't lying about that. But now that I'm out in the open I have to embrace who I've been made to be and get the ball rolling. BC did his job, but he got people talking. Possibly mafia to talk. I'm going to reread the 15 odd pages and see if I can dig anything up.
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As I scan down from day 1 onwards.. + Show Spoiler [long] + DAY 1 POST
Line change - The beer is in their head and their words aren’t really clear
Line change - Caller has to show them that there’s fighters to wear
JL13 does some analysis too, later.
0cz3c is a retard. Just ignore and let the mafia do the dirty work. Or maybe he's mafia trying to stay alive by not being productive. Anyway- great scapegoat for a day lynch if we don't have a better target.
BC calls me out, hilarity enues.
Night]mare "Mikeymoo is mafia lynch asap" which surprisingly gains a bunch of votes.
Ignoring BC posts, as they're all garbage..
Night[mare: "BC lies!" (keeps his vote on me)
Latham: 'just fuck it' attitude, advocates to lynch me initially
Ignoring Ace posts as well, he's dead.
Ignoring my posts: I just defend, really.
JL13: Smart player.
Ver: Keeps asking DTs to check him. Specifies that the Jack should be using DT role as well. my thoughts: I'd like the Jacks to check ver or myself (can't be insane) and start coordinating.
JeeJee defends me.
3 Lions jumps on my bandwagon, but he's a dead paramedic. I guess my argument that Ace voted BC held no water.
LucasWoJ, someone who jumped off the get-go last game, comes in to berate Ace a little bit. Defends me later. Hasn't done much else since.
infundibulum: smart-ish player. Simplifies complex problems- very straightforward
Tensai176: Not sure yet. Oh here: "I say we lynch oz3k or w/e since I have told him my role already =(." the fuck?
Here's an Ace post: "I hope the real DTs are looking into the people arguing against me right now because nobody could be this stupid". Sounds good.
note: we don't gain much from behaviour analysis, since it's inconsequential to mafia who dies in day 1, as both candidates are non-mafia.
Mynock: Smart player. I worked with him in mafia 3 as well.
Bockit: smart dude.
Heros)pink: "I find it suspicious that mikeymoo doesnt want to sacrifice himself to give valuable information to the town. The worst possible case is that he's a blue and that BC is the village idiot
Also, mynock is defending mikeymoo way to much (he's a good player why doing such a move?), he can be mafia" not sure what to think about this one.
LOL AZ says tick tock just before the news flash
Rage pops by to say Tensai is an idiot.
Not much else to say. I hope we get a plan for tonight and I hope we get some decent clues/codenames. I'm going to check who hasn't posted yet. EDIT: spoiler
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Fucking hell can I block people from PMs? 0cz3c is most definitely village idiot #2.
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People who haven't said much: Hyperbola Artanis[xp] blue_arrow funkie (SHOW THEM HOW FUNKY STRONG IS YOUR FIGHT?!?) dimnsab Truthbringer interinept redtooth
Just based on memory, feel free to object.
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You seem timid but smart, not putting yourself in the spotlight (you just did). This tells us nothing about your alignment.
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On January 01 2009 03:44 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On January 01 2009 03:43 Fishball wrote:On January 01 2009 03:41 Caller wrote: btw people with night roles/mafia send me your shit if mafia doesnt send hits within... 30 hours no hits today 30 Hours? Today? You mean minutes? 30 hours today being "day night cycle" 0ze3c if you send me another retarded pm i'm going to modkill you PLEASEPLEASEPLEASE
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I hope Jacks and DTs are active. Pleeeease be active. I'm going to go over some analysis tonight, and hopefully I can put two and two together. Still not New Years' here yet =[ Goin' out soon though.
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Oh and if I die, dibs on running mafia VI, if that's okay.
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On January 02 2009 13:08 Scaramanga wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2009 13:01 mikeymoo wrote: Oh and if I die, dibs on running mafia VI, if that's okay. Nah man BC is running the next mafia game Meh I'll talk to BC then.
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Cam was meth dealer. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck me.
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Reading and scanning for clues, gimme a while.
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On January 02 2009 14:01 nevake wrote: I am the zombie. Lynch LucasWoj, he is mafia. He is the only one besides camlito, me and amber that received information. It must be him, and he is dumb. Lynch LucasWoj. Wrong. I knew about Cam's role. It also stands to reason that Lucas could have leaked. Why you would make such a rash statement without seemingly thinking, I don't know.
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Oh sick zombies can make kills whenever? That's pretty tight.
I'm going to come out and say this now: I was targeted last night. Here's the clue I got: "Something shrieked above your head and left holes in the curtains. But there was nothing else to be seen."
Mafia pretty much knew I was blue, so this isn't surprising.
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nevake: could we get a big long post about everything that happened, with as many details as you can remember?
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On January 02 2009 15:32 chaoser wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2009 14:49 nevake wrote: There's not much to say what happened in the "circle". The trust was in the premature stages, and I was not in direct contact with many of them because Scaramanga was the center. He checked Camlito, then blindly trusted me and amber and lucas. I was going to be his mouthpiece (scaramanga the jack's) to prove my role. I was surprised he trusted this many people and asked him not to keep doing that. As far as I know, the only ones who knew that he was jack, camlito was meth dealer, AND amber was zombie, was camlito (who I contacted myself since he was checked, and it makes no sense for scara to be lying since he told me who the meth dealer was, not some other role), myself (who scara had a way of gauging my trust), amber (blind trust), and lucas. Out of the 5, 3 are dead. Only me or lucas could possibly know about all 3 of those names.
edit: Ok, so either you or me are mafia. So just double lynch. You can nit pick at things that we won't be able to know (like what the motives behind the bomber was), but you can definitely agree with me that we're the only ones left in the circle who knew all the names. If you know another person, please tell me. or we can boondock one and lynch one, saving the double lynch for later. It says during night two so we lynch one of you and the other dies at night. This is a great point.
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I'm in contact with a boondock. If you are a boondock and are not in contact with me, do NOT hit Lucas Done. But I'm going to wait quite some time before I vote- I want to see what happens when I wake up.
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On January 02 2009 16:07 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: what if Scara or or Amber was in contact with someone else they didn't mention? there is also that possibility This is true. And now they're dead so we don't know. Okay. Sleep for real now.
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On January 02 2009 16:09 nevake wrote: Scara was extremely open to me. Blind trusted me with camlito and amber's name without even knowing my role. He told me himself that it was his goal to "spread the information" among the network when I asked him how much he had told everyone. I have very high doubts that he told anyone else after I told him to stop telling people. Not sure how mikeymoo found out about camlito, but the fact that he didn't know amber's role shows that he wasn't in full contact like me and lucas were. Cam told me straight up after I posted what roles should consider doing in the night. He said he was trying to be obvious to lure a hit.
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On January 02 2009 22:31 LucasWoJ wrote: BUT you completely ignore the fact that I had no idea of your and amber roles until like 20 minutes, a time which I was AFK (ask mikeymoo once again), before the night post. And why would I target a zombie when I know the identity of the other jack, a detective, both vote riggers, etc? It just doesn't make any sense. Mikeymoo found out about your claimed role almost at the same time that I did. Since scaramanga didn't PM me outside of that, mikeymoo was in as much indirect contact with him as I was in direct contact. Again, you're not thinking nevake.
I will vouch for the first statement. Lucas told me he was afk. He could have still been here, mind you, but that's what he told me and he has no site activity for that amount of time.
About the current situation:
1. Lynch Lucas - Lucas flips red, reveals no alignment about nevake, but seems reasonable he is what he claims to be. He let the mafia do the dirty work on him. - Lucas flips blue, again, simply reveals nevake is wrong- reveals no alignment. Lucas has been claiming green, fwiw. - Lucas flips green, same as blue.
2. Lynch nevake - nevake flips red, no info about Lucas, however he is more likely to be green. - nevake flips blue, one more kill against mafia later when we need it, shows that his intentions are true, but again, there are logical flaws in his argument, so no info, really. - nevake flips green, hmm... I'm just going to rule this out. I don't know why nevake would be green.
Neither lynch does us any good.
I would suggest that anybody who contacted nevake or Lucas (NOT YOU OCZEC) contact me and give me names of who else you contacted. I think I've proven I'm clean- there's a hit on me, and my behaviour from day one should hold quite a bit of water. If there is a leak, we will find it.
As for clue analysis, I don't think we have anything solid to go off of, but keep digging.
So, are there any alternatives to lynch? Certainly. Maybe Latham, again. Ver hasn't spoken up (I think he said he'd be away), so maybe we should run with this one. I don't think there's any merit to lynching Lucas or nevake just yet. We need some more information.
Other roles, could you send them to me? Even if you're townie? Mafia can tell me too, if they want. It might be nice to have a directory going on. I won't leak the information to anybody- I will just funnel it back and forth between all of you. Again, the fact that I was targeted, and the way I defended one day one should be enough proof, yes?
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On January 03 2009 03:43 Incognito wrote: That would be reasonable, except for the fact that the mole gets his info tonight. So perhaps we should split up the information so that the mole can't get all of it. Like in the last (failed) game, we just have to compartmentalize to limit our losses. Any other confirmed blues/greens we can trust with info? One. But I won't say who, for obvious reasons. Blue cannot be the mole, so we can trust blue immediately.
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5 godfathers anyone?
I have faith that caller made a balanced game.
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On January 03 2009 00:00 malongo wrote: Amber[LighT] please take lucaswoj with you. Reasons: A) He was in touch with most of our dead blues. B) Nevake asks to kill them both, lucaswoj asks to kill none of them C) He was in touch with attackzerg, and put an obvious fight against him, then attackzerg bombed. D) His quote "Of all the words of mice and men, the saddest are it could have been." - Kurt Vonnegut and the rest of his profile is junk added for mafia. Quote links to the first night:
So They Came Into The Outway It Was Sunday - What A Sad Day (original is black day) Mouth To Mouth Resus - Citation Sounding Heartbeats – Recognition
E) He modified his profile with a msg to caller thanks Amber[LighT]
I'm going to mention this seems like a bad idea for now. We need to see how things pan out. I'd like to get more info from lucas about who he contacted before we do anything rash. Why not save amber for when we've essentially confirmed a mafia?
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Alright, extra clue from a DT who requested it from caller! Raekwon: And if you want beef then get Muhammed Wu-Tang Clan ain't nothin' ta fuck wit Straight from the motherfucking slum that's busted Wu-Tang Clan ain't nothin' ta fuck wit
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nevake, is it possible that out of the people who died, they leaked to other people? Obviously they can't talk. I think Lucas is green/red. Not blue. Since there's so much against him and he'll probably get hit/boondocked/whatever tonight, maybe it's best to have DTs check lucas, lynch lucas, and hope for the best?
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Clue analysis sent to me via PM: ok so i was listening to wu tang and i realized something, RZA (the founder, founded another group called gravediggaz)
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=Heros)Pink
that's the profile of herospink
that seems VERY CONNECTED
also, this is a stretch but ol' dirty bastard's other nickname is dirt mcgirt and nevake has a picture of a girl with the word soil on her shirt.
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On January 03 2009 06:22 mikeymoo wrote:Clue analysis sent to me via PM: ok so i was listening to wu tang and i realized something, RZA (the founder, founded another group called gravediggaz) http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=Heros)Pinkthat's the profile of herospink that seems VERY CONNECTED also, this is a stretch but ol' dirty bastard's other nickname is dirt mcgirt and nevake has a picture of a girl with the word soil on her shirt.
This is good enough for me, btw. Heros)Pink goes down because I don't want to vote lucas or nevake or oczec
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Another PM, could be same guy, could be different. "Here is a list imo of potential mafia based purely off posting behavior.
Latham Inertinept Night]Mare Showtime! More_Minerals Kuja900
They either say a ton of nonsense (quite irritating), don't offer clue analysis, or haven't posted recently."
Heros)Pink, is the guy PMing me is mafia and the clue is wrong, then he dies too. Easy as that. You just shrug off/get angry at any accusation. Maybe you've just got a short fuse, but I personally like the clue.
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I won't be awake for the lynching (I've said that before and woken up, but I swear I won't be up this time). My vote stays where it is. *crosses fingers*
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On January 04 2009 02:15 RaGe wrote: ughh caller kinda leaked he wasnt mafia when he said the names weren't clues. such a pointless lynch Caller was being ambiguous. He said something like "that's not what I said" or whatever.
As for posting things out in the open, my position was compromised this game. I can't exactly lay low anymore, so I may as well be everybody's mouth. I'd rather get lynched than be converted, to tell the truth. I typically play to win, but trying to get converted and win on the other team after gathering information is not my style at all. It's selfish.
So here's the deal. If I don't die tonight, or on night 3, lynch me + any other suspect on day 4. I'm a good target for conversion, so you may as well lynch me and get it over with. People will be suspecting me from day 4 onwards, and it's not a good idea to keep me around. I will make sure that somebody legitimate gets the info before then.
There's no way to get the godfather this game if he lays low. The clues are barely enough for DTs to clue check, and he can't be role checked. In addition, let's say the godfather hasn't been sending in hits. We're fucked. Give him medic protection. We're super duper ultra fucked. I'm trying to organize town as quick and efficiently as possible, so that we can hopefully pick off a few mafia, reduce KP, and hopefully have a chance at this.
The mole is given out tonight. And there's one conversion tomorrow night. We need to take care of mafia, now. How do we find out how clues work? Well, if caller doesn't answer things straight up, we either need to lynch or take him out at night. Heros)Pink was green, so fuck me I'm sorry. Looks like clues don't work that way.
To be honest, the only thing keeping me fighting in this game is that I don't know how many blues are left.
Again, I'd rather get killed off tonight or lynched in the day than continue playing in a game where everyone is scared of giving info thanks to the mole and the conversions. We need to act quickly, effectively, and if there is a leak, annihilate it with extreme prejudice immediately. I would suggest that the remaining Boondock Saints contact me so their hits don't overlap.
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Before I get silenced or killed, more goodies from my PM box:
"Raekwon (Nailed Theses To Your Door) (Then A Bullet Sparked, Fired) And if you want beef then get Muhammed
posible keywords: luther, reformation, protestantism religion, islam, conversion, muhammed ali.
main connections:
truthbringer. Profile: "And on the 8th day, God created ownage . . ."
Night[Mare. Profile: Pain makes one suffer. Suffering makes one think. Thinking makes one wise. And Wisdom makes life bearable.
Ghostface Killah It Was Sunday - What A Sad Day Mouth To Mouth Resus - Citation Sounding Heartbeats – Recognition posible keywords: feeling, comparisom (sunday vs sad), recognition, admiration.
main connection: Lucaswoj. profile: "Of all the words of mice and men, the saddest are it could have been." - Kurt Vonnegut
Ol’ Dirty Bastard (He Left The Floor, Totally Wet with Blood) (Then You Were Dragged Into The Bathroom) posible keywords: exaggeration, liquid, dirty, clean. main connections: redtooth. profile: see ketchup. "
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EDIT: I'm silenced, fuck me LOL
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Can I talk now or do I keep the duct ta--MMFFFPPHHH MMMMPHHH! *struggled breathing*
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Mafia allstars game. Like 10 of us gogo.
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I can't believe Showtime died. He was holding my info. My question is who the Godfather converted. People who have contacted me via PM, send me something that tells me what you think of the current situation. Personally, I like the ydg clue, and fwiw I hit Truthbringer, so we should look at previous analysis and see what we can figure out. I'm going to sleep though.
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On January 08 2009 14:59 malongo wrote:Show nested quote +On January 08 2009 14:57 mikeymoo wrote: I can't believe Showtime died. He was holding my info. My question is who the Godfather converted. People who have contacted me via PM, send me something that tells me what you think of the current situation. Personally, I like the ydg clue, and fwiw I hit Truthbringer, so we should look at previous analysis and see what we can figure out. I'm going to sleep though. What does that mean? your vigi? Yes. Boondock Saint. It's safe to come out now because my 2nd hit will be used tonight and I will be useless.
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Btw goodies from a DT/Jack in my PM inbox: New clue about Ghostface Killah:
Method, the Legend, niggas is Sleepy Hollow In fact I'm a hard act to follow I dealt for dolo, Bogart comin on through Niggas is like "Oh my God, not you!"
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I retract my statement about ydg being a decent target.
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Oh yeah Hoh maybe refers to water? H-O-H --> H2O? Approaching 5000... do I really want to use it in mafia? lol I'm going to start talking less.
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I'll post something groundbreaking if someone gets back to me with the right info.
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Ver, you can't deny that the defense could be good simply because the defense is good. I would not lynch randombum for now. Hopefully the DT I'm in contact with gets back to me, and we have a clear cut decision for now. If votes are going to be tallied any time soon, I will switch my vote in whichever way I need to NOT to vote randombum. This isn't an attack on you, Ver, but I think he is clear. I'm very confused as to the state of the game, and barely anybody is active now.
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Ah damn. Hoped it didn't have to come to you claiming, randombum. =/ But yeah, you're essentially green after tonight's hit.
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Okay guys, we have three hits ready to go. Make your cases on who to hit. We will most likely not be hitting based on behaviour, so really it's just clue analysis. Truthbringer was so obvious that we should be looking at clues that stand out like 'nailed theses to your door'. Most appropriately, we should be looking at extra DT clues and medic clues.
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people have been calling me 'm i C k e y' all game so don't take it so harsh lol.
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From PM box: ODB may be redtooth based on dirty for ketchup clues: he left the floor totally wet with blood the you were dragged into the bathroom (like a ketchup bottle incident) white face (redtooth) your talk is grand (his profile contained a long detailed note about ketchup. your not a virgin (maybe a ketchup unsealed). Also and more importantly he edited his profile it was twice as big, i'm sure as i have checked him constantly.
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This is just town vs. clues at this point. There's not much strategy elsewhere as mafia can just hide and say they're inactive.
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On January 13 2009 08:55 malongo wrote: we need to hit 1 and 1 lynch meh i say we make a pool with the inactives and run a random selector. I guess we have a higher chance of hitting mafia. Should be weighted to inactives that have clues or any analysis whatsoever fwiw.
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I'd like to request that when mafia wins this game that they don't gloat unnecessarily, as inactivity shitted us like no other. It's a kick in the face when I personally thought we were done on day 2, and I only honestly kept playing because I didn't know how many of each blue was left. EDIT: I'll shut up again.
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I'll admit I screwed up pretty bad (you'll see why), but I was trying for a one-time push, high risk high reward, really. Playing cautiously would have led to a loss anyway, so I figured I'd try to take a risk to give us the best chance of winning. Sorry guys. Game's pretty much over. If you think this post compromises the situation, I'll delete it and post later. I'm just wondering if there's any satisfaction in the mafia side of winning this game, or if it was just going through the motions, as town didn't know where they stood the entire game.
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GG.
Incognito Ver Hyperbola Night[Mare malongo (GF?)
are my guesses.
and anybody who voted for Shadowdrgn I'm too lazy to look it up.
EDIT: I fucked up by leaking to incognito and malongo. Incognito was a sketchy one but again, town already lost at that point, so I decided is was our best chance to win. Malongo actually got checked, which leads me to believe he is GF. If he's town well then fuck me I got double-tricked. Not wasting any posts here I went from like 4800-4950 in this game.
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