TL Mafia V: The Wrath of KHAAAAAANN

On December 31 2008 07:43 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


Claiming blue is the only thing a mafia could do in that position to hope to not get lynched ace. My rolecall to be effective for the other dt's requires his death, as well as for myself, if he was mafia, saying he is blue is the only way to defend himself.

On December 31 2008 08:30 BloodyC0bbler wrote:


Its unreasonable to stack medics on me though, as a bomber could kill me, or just stack 2-3 hits in a night to kill me. Most i can last is 1-2 nights.

On December 31 2008 10:17 mikeymoo wrote:
BC is posting a lot because he's defending himself from a foolish move/excited he's going to die because he's VI. I assure you I have a blue role. Everyone's speculation on my claim is correct. A red DOES have motivation to claim blue, as does a green.
As BC said, it's a "he lies no he lies" situation. I implore everybody to listen to common sense and reread what everyone has posted. BC is acting weird. It's very apparent.
Also as BC said, this happens EVERY GAME. So why would he come out in the open? It's not "to get the ball rolling" as he said, but because everyone knows this happens on day one, and it happens with the same result. The accused dies. He's trying to kill me, obviously. Or he's trying to get lynched. And he also doesn't know if I'm mafia or not. If he was Jack and KNEW I was red, then there is a good reason to lynch me today.
Why let BC know if he is insane right away? This is just so mind-shatteringly stupid.

I flip red: Bloodyc0bbler is legit? Not necessarily. Could be a mafia ploy. No info.
I flip blue: Oh well way to go town. BC is mafia/VI
I flip green: Good job town again. No info yet again.

And if I die, keep watch over everybody who voted for me. There is almost no case against me, and people who voted for me are likely retarded/mafia.

On December 31 2008 10:30 mikeymoo wrote:

But him flipping red is more likely than me. I'm essentially 20% or so to flip red- in fact I have no idea why I'm defending myself.
He flips blue = retarded DT I don't actually know why a DT would pull this move. It's way too risky and puts him in the spotlight for mafia tonight. Think about it. He claims DT, I die, he gets hit, and is unable to use his power for day 2.
He flips green: not really possible- I don't think anybody would use BC as a mouth this early. Considering how much he's posting, I don't think this is an option at all.

On December 31 2008 13:02 Ace wrote:
ok BC just blew his rouse. He can't be a DT. nice way trying to discredit me there buddy but it wont work.

Lynch BC. And me defending mikey moo doesn't imply there is a connection between us. I'm defending him on the basis that you're a lying sac of shit. Nice trying to analyze my playstyle but you still failed. I never use skewed logic, as your impending death is about to reveal.

On December 31 2008 13:16 Bockit wrote:


Except mikey is saying he's blue, which paints you as mafia/village idiot. We have as much reason to believe him as you?

On December 31 2008 13:34 Ace wrote:


mikeymoo doesn't have to role claim to prove himself. The entire burden of proof rests on BC, not mm.

Otherwise every game would start with mafia roleclaiming a DT and watching the town stupidly lynch.

On January 01 2009 02:03 mikeymoo wrote:
Discuss here if possible- open discussion > PMs.
I think BC is VI. I don't want him to win b/c he caused me all this shit. Latham doesn't care if he gets lynched, he claimed green.

On January 01 2009 03:34 mikeymoo wrote:
You seem timid but smart, not putting yourself in the spotlight (you just did).
This tells us nothing about your alignment.

On January 02 2009 13:41 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
"Nailed a Theses To Your Door" is probably a reference to Martin Luther

On January 02 2009 13:47 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:


so? what else would nailing theses to the door be referring to?

On January 02 2009 13:57 Tensai176 wrote:
"That Ol' dirty Bastard Struck you."

On January 02 2009 14:21 JL13 wrote:
Really quickly, here is one potential Code Names that Caller has assigned to Mafia. Currently reading right now. I'll post more stuff afterwords.

"Ghostface Killah"

On January 02 2009 14:31 LucasWoJ wrote:
Very interesting nevake.

Right before the night post, Scaramanga informed me that the only three people he shared his role with were you, amber[light], and me. I assume he excluded camlito from that list because he had already informed me that he had looked him up and found him to be a meth dealer. The problem with that is that it was minutes before the night post. Mikeymoo, which whom I was enchanging PMs, can attest to this. I had no idea that you and amber[light] were in this little coalition. In fact, I had created a "possible mafia list in case I die" and sent it out to a few people, including scaramanga. Both you and amber were on it based off of your behavior PM-wise.

Logically from my standpoint, this would mean that you could potentially be mafia. In fact, a few people could attest that I informed them of your small little inner circle and told them to watch out for you in case I died (and then after the day post, but before you posts, I informed the detective/jacks to consider role-checking you).

My behavior PM-wise, has not been suspicious at all. Those who could speak up for me probably shouldn't or they will be targetted by the mafia.

I'm not going to write a long defense. There's no need. You're acting irrationally and based on the assumption that either me or you is mafia. The problem, and I can already speculate this, is that neither of us are.

The only other thing I can think of is that this was completely orchestrated by the mafia, assuming, again, that you're mafia of course. The mafia didn't trust me when I said I was a green townie, and assuming I was a meth dealer or another potentially dangerous role at night, they decided to get me lynched during the day.

Don't waste the double lynch on a green townie and a blue. It's retarded. This game is imbalanced against the town as it is right now, and with the lost medics + jack + detective and wasted lych on the first day, it will only drag us back so far.

I'm going to sleep in a few minutes. Don't be stupid.

On January 02 2009 14:41 Tensai176 wrote:
God damn it, I don't know anything about the Wu-Tang Clan.

Here I was going on clue analysis when I didn't know this important piece of info... Damn it..

On January 02 2009 14:47 LucasWoJ wrote:


Absolute falsity. He clearly trusted me much more than he did you. After I gave him my list (I shared it with Ver and mikeymoo as well), he responded with (@ 13:07)



Even from this, one can infer I know the identity of camlito (I even have a PM from scaramanga telling me his role) and we're discussing someone else's identity. Before this, I had no idea either or you were blue. I honestly thought you were both mafia, which is why I harassed you on the forums + sent certain implications in my PMs.

Now for certain, good night. :/

On January 02 2009 14:49 nevake wrote:
There's not much to say what happened in the "circle". The trust was in the premature stages, and I was not in direct contact with many of them because Scaramanga was the center. He checked Camlito, then blindly trusted me and amber and lucas. I was going to be his mouthpiece (scaramanga the jack's) to prove my role. I was surprised he trusted this many people and asked him not to keep doing that. As far as I know, the only ones who knew that he was jack, camlito was meth dealer, AND amber was zombie, was camlito (who I contacted myself since he was checked, and it makes no sense for scara to be lying since he told me who the meth dealer was, not some other role), myself (who scara had a way of gauging my trust), amber (blind trust), and lucas. Out of the 5, 3 are dead. Only me or lucas could possibly know about all 3 of those names.

edit: Ok, so either you or me are mafia. So just double lynch. You can nit pick at things that we won't be able to know (like what the motives behind the bomber was), but you can definitely agree with me that we're the only ones left in the circle who knew all the names. If you know another person, please tell me.

On January 02 2009 16:00 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:


no. we have no idea which one is mafia; there is no guarantee nevake is telling the truth.

On January 02 2009 16:03 Incognito wrote:
If nevake is the zombie, mafia doc WOULD want to save him. Right now zombie gets to kill someone WHENEVER they want to, which could mean when we know for sure who the mafia are.

On January 02 2009 16:06 JL13 wrote:


Okay, I think this is the strongest clue I've seen next to the one I have on JeeJee?

Something shrieked above your head -> Hawk

Well... hawks fly above their prey and swoop silently to kill. Hawks also have loud shrieks.

On January 03 2009 03:30 mikeymoo wrote:


I will vouch for the first statement. Lucas told me he was afk. He could have still been here, mind you, but that's what he told me and he has no site activity for that amount of time.

About the current situation:

1. Lynch Lucas
- Lucas flips red, reveals no alignment about nevake, but seems reasonable he is what he claims to be. He let the mafia do the dirty work on him.
- Lucas flips blue, again, simply reveals nevake is wrong- reveals no alignment. Lucas has been claiming green, fwiw.
- Lucas flips green, same as blue.

2. Lynch nevake
- nevake flips red, no info about Lucas, however he is more likely to be green.
- nevake flips blue, one more kill against mafia later when we need it, shows that his intentions are true, but again, there are logical flaws in his argument, so no info, really.
- nevake flips green, hmm... I'm just going to rule this out. I don't know why nevake would be green.

Neither lynch does us any good.

I would suggest that anybody who contacted nevake or Lucas (NOT YOU OCZEC) contact me and give me names of who else you contacted. I think I've proven I'm clean- there's a hit on me, and my behaviour from day one should hold quite a bit of water. If there is a leak, we will find it.

As for clue analysis, I don't think we have anything solid to go off of, but keep digging.

So, are there any alternatives to lynch? Certainly.
Maybe Latham, again. Ver hasn't spoken up (I think he said he'd be away), so maybe we should run with this one. I don't think there's any merit to lynching Lucas or nevake just yet. We need some more information.

Other roles, could you send them to me? Even if you're townie? Mafia can tell me too, if they want. It might be nice to have a directory going on. I won't leak the information to anybody- I will just funnel it back and forth between all of you. Again, the fact that I was targeted, and the way I defended one day one should be enough proof, yes?

On January 03 2009 04:55 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
One thing that's bugging me: how do the mafia send in their hits to Caller? If it's anything like past games here, and I'm assuming it is, they just send in the hitlist at once and those players die. SO why was the suicide bomber sent to Camlito, the meth dealer? If they just sent in a list of players, that means Caller picked the suicide bomber to die at the meth dealer's house instead of a plain mafia. I don't think Caller would do this; it would be very unfair. So this means the suicide bomber was sent to meth dealer's house specifically. Mafia would never do this unless they are suicidal (lolz) this game. So I am thinking that in the leak Camlito may have been represented as some other key role, and mafia believed he would be protected...It's the only way I can figure this makes sense.

On January 03 2009 05:25 Incognito wrote:
What happens if the mafia didn't send in who hit who? Would it then be random?

On January 03 2009 05:33 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote:
so i think the major discrepancy is this:

Both nevake and LucasWoj say they knew Camlito was meth dealer. Mafia sent their suicide bomber to kill the meth dealer. We know there is a leak in the circle of players of Scaramanga, Amber[LighT], nevake, LucasWoj, and Camlito. It is possible there were other players in contact that haven't been named by anyone yet. Here are the ways i see this is possible:

1. Camlito's role was miscommunicated through the leak. Suicide bomber sent b/c mafia thought Cam was something else. Possible, but would be a pretty big mistake.

2. Camlito was an unlucky guess and just happened to be hit by the suicide bomber; mafia did not know whether he was blue but thought it would be a good idea to kill him. I do not think this is probable.

3. Either lucas or nevake is lying about knowing Cam's role, or about who knew it. The liar is most likely red. Definitely possible.

On January 03 2009 07:46 malongo wrote:
Wait a minute: if nevake is really the zombi, maybe it would be right to lynch him today. Tomorrow the godfather can recruit, and then the zombi will be a mafia zombi. Obviously the godfather will pick the blues, not the greens. The same holds to Mikeymoo: Blues dont send your role to mm. What will happen if mm is converted with the full blue list?, please blues be smart, try to analize clues.

On January 03 2009 06:22 mikeymoo wrote:
Clue analysis sent to me via PM:
ok so i was listening to wu tang and i realized something, RZA (the founder, founded another group called gravediggaz)

http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/profile.php?user=Heros)Pink

that's the profile of herospink

that seems VERY CONNECTED

also, this is a stretch but ol' dirty bastard's other nickname is dirt mcgirt and nevake has a picture of a girl with the word soil on her shirt.

On January 03 2009 09:15 MidnightGladius wrote:
Okay, up and awake, now. After catching up (ouch >_>), I think we still have a decent chance in this, as long as we keep our heads and our activity.

I'm for lynching Ocz3c - due to a rather unfortunate and amusing incident, he PMed me last game to try to form a circle, but then I sent him a reply from this current game when I finally could get online. His reply was, to be fair, nonexistent. A mite embarrassing for me once I figured it out, but it could use some follow-up.

On January 03 2009 10:08 ydg wrote:
i don't think it's a good connection; "Double clue: In addition to your other abilities, you may ask me for an extra clue about one mafia per day, starting day 2, when they receive codenames."
ie; the wu-tang clan are just their codenames.

On January 03 2009 10:15 Caller wrote:

i find this statement so ironic ^^^^^^^^^^^^^

On January 03 2009 10:29 nevake wrote:
In BC's game the names were never actually used as clues. They were just names. People read too deep into them.

On January 03 2009 12:51 nevake wrote:
I would rather lynch Lucas. If you guys had talked to Scara you would have lynched Lucas after all 3 of those died without hesitating at all =/. So who are we killing, Heros)Pink or LucasWoj, I will vote for the town's plan.