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On November 19 2008 13:19 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2008 13:17 Versatile wrote:
That's garbage Caller.
We don't know if we can trust you OR MTF. Odds are in most mafia games one of the people in power is mafia. That is to say, if you are innocent, it's more likely MTF is indeed Mafia, and vice versa.
MTF has a ton of votes and you could pardon any Mafia, effectively taking away town's power to eliminate Mafia during the day.
Both of you need to be checked ASAP. I know both of us need to be checked, but I'm saying CHECK ME FIRST. Then I can delegate one person to check MTF instead of several people checking MTF, resulting in wasted checks. Do NOT send anything to MTF just yet. Don't check him, don't pm him, start with me first so i can arrange everything.
I'm saying we have 4 DTs. While one checks you, another can check MTF. The odds are good that all of them won't check the same person.
Also, 3hrs? I thought this was an international site; what if all the DTs are on the other side of the world and are alseep? That's just not enough time.
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On November 19 2008 13:27 Versatile wrote:
ANNOUCEMENT:
I just received a phone call from Ace.
The game is on pause for at least 12hrs or more.
He says don't cry, savages.
hahaha
I actually expected this, night
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On November 19 2008 13:32 Versatile wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2008 13:19 Caller wrote:On November 19 2008 13:17 Versatile wrote:
That's garbage Caller.
We don't know if we can trust you OR MTF. Odds are in most mafia games one of the people in power is mafia. That is to say, if you are innocent, it's more likely MTF is indeed Mafia, and vice versa.
MTF has a ton of votes and you could pardon any Mafia, effectively taking away town's power to eliminate Mafia during the day.
Both of you need to be checked ASAP. I know both of us need to be checked, but I'm saying CHECK ME FIRST. Then I can delegate one person to check MTF instead of several people checking MTF, resulting in wasted checks. Do NOT send anything to MTF just yet. Don't check him, don't pm him, start with me first so i can arrange everything. I'm saying we have 4 DTs. While one checks you, another can check MTF. The odds are good that all of them won't check the same person. Also, 3hrs? I thought this was an international site; what if all the DTs are on the other side of the world and are alseep? That's just not enough time.
well i'm not sure if we'll have 24 hours. And besides what's wrong with my method? how are we to confirm who's the right dt and who's a lying sack of mafia shit? what if a mafia poses as a dt and "checks" mtf or me? it'd be chaos. And chaos helps mafia, not us. I don't need vigilantes hitting random people or medics saving random people or detectives checking random people. Check me, in 12 hours, if nobody yells at me, send me pms. Or you can send them whenever you want/can.
Why have a 70% chance to not use an excess rolecheck when you can have a 100% chance?
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On November 19 2008 13:39 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2008 13:32 Versatile wrote:On November 19 2008 13:19 Caller wrote:On November 19 2008 13:17 Versatile wrote:
That's garbage Caller.
We don't know if we can trust you OR MTF. Odds are in most mafia games one of the people in power is mafia. That is to say, if you are innocent, it's more likely MTF is indeed Mafia, and vice versa.
MTF has a ton of votes and you could pardon any Mafia, effectively taking away town's power to eliminate Mafia during the day.
Both of you need to be checked ASAP. I know both of us need to be checked, but I'm saying CHECK ME FIRST. Then I can delegate one person to check MTF instead of several people checking MTF, resulting in wasted checks. Do NOT send anything to MTF just yet. Don't check him, don't pm him, start with me first so i can arrange everything. I'm saying we have 4 DTs. While one checks you, another can check MTF. The odds are good that all of them won't check the same person. Also, 3hrs? I thought this was an international site; what if all the DTs are on the other side of the world and are alseep? That's just not enough time. well i'm not sure if we'll have 24 hours. And besides what's wrong with my method? how are we to confirm who's the right dt and who's a lying sack of mafia shit? what if a mafia poses as a dt and "checks" mtf or me? it'd be chaos. And chaos helps mafia, not us. I don't need vigilantes hitting random people or medics saving random people or detectives checking random people. Check me, in 12 hours, if nobody yells at me, send me pms. Or you can send them whenever you want/can. Why have a 70% chance to not use an excess rolecheck when you can have a 100% chance?
I'm not talking about the vigis or medics, or any other role acting.
Day 1, both of you need to be checked right away. That's all I'm saying. We need to know if we have Mafia in office, or worse AoC.
Whatever happens with roles thereafter we can decide as a town. I agree, chaos will lead to our downfall.
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On November 19 2008 13:44 Versatile wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2008 13:39 Caller wrote:On November 19 2008 13:32 Versatile wrote:On November 19 2008 13:19 Caller wrote:On November 19 2008 13:17 Versatile wrote:
That's garbage Caller.
We don't know if we can trust you OR MTF. Odds are in most mafia games one of the people in power is mafia. That is to say, if you are innocent, it's more likely MTF is indeed Mafia, and vice versa.
MTF has a ton of votes and you could pardon any Mafia, effectively taking away town's power to eliminate Mafia during the day.
Both of you need to be checked ASAP. I know both of us need to be checked, but I'm saying CHECK ME FIRST. Then I can delegate one person to check MTF instead of several people checking MTF, resulting in wasted checks. Do NOT send anything to MTF just yet. Don't check him, don't pm him, start with me first so i can arrange everything. I'm saying we have 4 DTs. While one checks you, another can check MTF. The odds are good that all of them won't check the same person. Also, 3hrs? I thought this was an international site; what if all the DTs are on the other side of the world and are alseep? That's just not enough time. well i'm not sure if we'll have 24 hours. And besides what's wrong with my method? how are we to confirm who's the right dt and who's a lying sack of mafia shit? what if a mafia poses as a dt and "checks" mtf or me? it'd be chaos. And chaos helps mafia, not us. I don't need vigilantes hitting random people or medics saving random people or detectives checking random people. Check me, in 12 hours, if nobody yells at me, send me pms. Or you can send them whenever you want/can. Why have a 70% chance to not use an excess rolecheck when you can have a 100% chance? I'm not talking about the vigis or medics, or any other role acting. Day 1, both of you need to be checked right away. That's all I'm saying. We need to know if we have Mafia in office, or worse AoC. Whatever happens with roles thereafter we can decide as a town. I agree, chaos will lead to our downfall.
we are being checked on day 1. But we need a basis to verify the results here. Here's the possible situations:
Your way:
C and M (me and MTF)
D1 picks M
D2 picks C
OR
D1 picks M
D2 picks M
my way
D1 picks C
nothing happens
D2, D3, D4 pm C, C assigns D2 to M and D3, D4 for later, probably votechecking.
WERE BOTH BEING CHECKED. ITS FINE. JUST THIS WAY WE DONT USE UP ANY ROLECHECKS POINTLESSLY.
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Caller has a point though: town is already underpowered this game and we don't really want to waste detectives double and triple checking the same person. It would be absurd to suggest that for anyone besides the mayor/pardoner.
We could lose half of the town tonight, so we need as much help from the detectives as we can get. I'd prefer various sorts of information and knowing the leaders are townies than just knowing the leaders are townies.
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I would argue for nobody to send caller anything on the first night. I think for one night only we should follow the BG plan. Caller is going on an on about 4/84 and while I am inclined to believe him... we don't even know if he's normal mafia which is 18/84. Instead of hoping that one of the 4 dts will check him... we should have a BG get ALL the roles for one night, then he can make it so 1 dt checks mtf 1 dt checks caller, and we still have 2 dts left.
As it stands the Ace plan actually calls for all 4 dts checking caller. (wasteful) With 1 day use of the BG plan we can organize SO much better with no risk. Because to me caller is getting more suspicious the more often he asks for roles.
In addition he's calling for roles 3 hours after day post is up and the dts have had a chance to check him.... what if all 4 dts are not in america? Then he has gotten every bodies role b4 the dts can even say anything.
Hell I don't care if caller makes all the choices because he will do his best to help the town the first night if he's mafia or not... but don't give him the roles until his actions tell us a little more.
Basically, caller has done nothing to prove he is more trustworthy than mtf, nor should anyone send him their info until a single dt (as directed by the BG). Then after he dies and the dts have confirmed that they all legit.
Long post short:
Lets have 1 BG step forward and get all the roles for ONE night.
He can then use 1 dt each on mtf/caller. Saving vital dt powers.
After he dies. Likely the next day we have had more than enough time for dts to do their checks.
While This costs us one bg... we don't run the risk of 3 hours and then caller getting all the roles while he is a silly normal red.
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Also caller your way is so flawed that I suspect you even more..
How will you know IF/When D1 checks C?
What if D1 is Afk, And so afterwards, D2/3/4 Send you their roles. Boom 3 dts gone and the dt who supposedly checks you never actually did?
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I don't think it's wise to PM anyone until at least tomorrow.
As of right now, Ace is away and the game is suspended.
I'd rather be late than sorry.
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On November 19 2008 13:28 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2008 13:27 Versatile wrote:
ANNOUCEMENT:
I just received a phone call from Ace.
The game is on pause for at least 12hrs or more.
He says don't cry, savages. awwww mannnnnn w t f ace is SCUM is what it is ## I vote to lynch Ace
## I vote to Lynch ACE!
>.> Seriously though, I think that i won't have time to read the other mafia threads, especially with how fast this game is going to go.
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On November 19 2008 13:49 randombum wrote:
I would argue for nobody to send caller anything on the first night. I think for one night only we should follow the BG plan. Caller is going on an on about 4/84 and while I am inclined to believe him... we don't even know if he's normal mafia which is 18/84. Instead of hoping that one of the 4 dts will check him... we should have a BG get ALL the roles for one night, then he can make it so 1 dt checks mtf 1 dt checks caller, and we still have 2 dts left.
As it stands the Ace plan actually calls for all 4 dts checking caller. (wasteful) With 1 day use of the BG plan we can organize SO much better with no risk. Because to me caller is getting more suspicious the more often he asks for roles.
In addition he's calling for roles 3 hours after day post is up and the dts have had a chance to check him.... what if all 4 dts are not in america? Then he has gotten every bodies role b4 the dts can even say anything.
Hell I don't care if caller makes all the choices because he will do his best to help the town the first night if he's mafia or not... but don't give him the roles until his actions tell us a little more.
Basically, caller has done nothing to prove he is more trustworthy than mtf, nor should anyone send him their info until a single dt (as directed by the BG). Then after he dies and the dts have confirmed that they all legit.
Long post short:
Lets have 1 BG step forward and get all the roles for ONE night.
He can then use 1 dt each on mtf/caller. Saving vital dt powers.
After he dies. Likely the next day we have had more than enough time for dts to do their checks.
While This costs us one bg... we don't run the risk of 3 hours and then caller getting all the roles while he is a silly normal red.
if you guys insist on using the BG plan I guess I will go ahead and find a willing BG to sacrifice him/herself. Although I think my idea is far superior here, as at the most one DT will sacrifice himself and only if I flip red. Keep in mind that the chance I am townie is very high as I ran for mayor BEFORE roles. Would you rather have a 30% chance to lose a dt and kill one mafia, or a 100% chance to lose a BG for no good reason? Not to mention that DTs have been nerfed to shit so they're not as dominant anymore.
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Also, someone stated (one of the people who've played with ace as mod before?) That no powers work until day one. So until the BG gets his pms from dts and uses 1 or 2 or 3 depending on how many extra people role claim dt. (if he gets 5 pms he uses 2 if he gets 6 pms he uses 3.. if he gets 7 pms WTF is mafia doing?) To check Caller NOONE send their role to caller.
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On November 19 2008 13:51 randombum wrote:
Also caller your way is so flawed that I suspect you even more..
How will you know IF/When D1 checks C?
What if D1 is Afk, And so afterwards, D2/3/4 Send you their roles. Boom 3 dts gone and the dt who supposedly checks you never actually did?
D1 is just random people.
Somebody WILL check me. People are naturally curious that way.
Besides remember this is all about trust. If we never had to take a chance in this game there would be no point in it. I cannot prove that I am towny to you guys, but I think that with all the statistics and my actions vs. others actions, I hope that you can trust me EVEN IF nobody scans me.
But somebody should scan me. I expect to be scanned.
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On November 19 2008 13:54 Caller wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2008 13:49 randombum wrote:
I would argue for nobody to send caller anything on the first night. I think for one night only we should follow the BG plan. Caller is going on an on about 4/84 and while I am inclined to believe him... we don't even know if he's normal mafia which is 18/84. Instead of hoping that one of the 4 dts will check him... we should have a BG get ALL the roles for one night, then he can make it so 1 dt checks mtf 1 dt checks caller, and we still have 2 dts left.
As it stands the Ace plan actually calls for all 4 dts checking caller. (wasteful) With 1 day use of the BG plan we can organize SO much better with no risk. Because to me caller is getting more suspicious the more often he asks for roles.
In addition he's calling for roles 3 hours after day post is up and the dts have had a chance to check him.... what if all 4 dts are not in america? Then he has gotten every bodies role b4 the dts can even say anything.
Hell I don't care if caller makes all the choices because he will do his best to help the town the first night if he's mafia or not... but don't give him the roles until his actions tell us a little more.
Basically, caller has done nothing to prove he is more trustworthy than mtf, nor should anyone send him their info until a single dt (as directed by the BG). Then after he dies and the dts have confirmed that they all legit.
Long post short:
Lets have 1 BG step forward and get all the roles for ONE night.
He can then use 1 dt each on mtf/caller. Saving vital dt powers.
After he dies. Likely the next day we have had more than enough time for dts to do their checks.
While This costs us one bg... we don't run the risk of 3 hours and then caller getting all the roles while he is a silly normal red.
if you guys insist on using the BG plan I guess I will go ahead and find a willing BG to sacrifice him/herself. Although I think my idea is far superior here, as at the most one DT will sacrifice himself and only if I flip red. Keep in mind that the chance I am townie is very high as I ran for mayor BEFORE roles. Would you rather have a 30% chance to lose a dt and kill one mafia, or a 100% chance to lose a BG for no good reason? Not to mention that DTs have been nerfed to shit so they're not as dominant anymore.
Yes, I am. Your way only asks for one dt to check you. What if all 4 dts pull the "another dt will do it" Card. Then oh shit mafia now has every bodies role. You having 30% chance as mafia I'm not willing to take. You as 5% chance as godfather/traitor I am.
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Look, either you have 1 dt check you with BG plan, or you take the chance of 0-4 dts checking you.
I think its quite logical to sac one BG to make sure JUST one dt checks you than risk no checking, or all 4 checking.
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On November 19 2008 13:58 randombum wrote:Show nested quote +On November 19 2008 13:54 Caller wrote:On November 19 2008 13:49 randombum wrote:
I would argue for nobody to send caller anything on the first night. I think for one night only we should follow the BG plan. Caller is going on an on about 4/84 and while I am inclined to believe him... we don't even know if he's normal mafia which is 18/84. Instead of hoping that one of the 4 dts will check him... we should have a BG get ALL the roles for one night, then he can make it so 1 dt checks mtf 1 dt checks caller, and we still have 2 dts left.
As it stands the Ace plan actually calls for all 4 dts checking caller. (wasteful) With 1 day use of the BG plan we can organize SO much better with no risk. Because to me caller is getting more suspicious the more often he asks for roles.
In addition he's calling for roles 3 hours after day post is up and the dts have had a chance to check him.... what if all 4 dts are not in america? Then he has gotten every bodies role b4 the dts can even say anything.
Hell I don't care if caller makes all the choices because he will do his best to help the town the first night if he's mafia or not... but don't give him the roles until his actions tell us a little more.
Basically, caller has done nothing to prove he is more trustworthy than mtf, nor should anyone send him their info until a single dt (as directed by the BG). Then after he dies and the dts have confirmed that they all legit.
Long post short:
Lets have 1 BG step forward and get all the roles for ONE night.
He can then use 1 dt each on mtf/caller. Saving vital dt powers.
After he dies. Likely the next day we have had more than enough time for dts to do their checks.
While This costs us one bg... we don't run the risk of 3 hours and then caller getting all the roles while he is a silly normal red.
if you guys insist on using the BG plan I guess I will go ahead and find a willing BG to sacrifice him/herself. Although I think my idea is far superior here, as at the most one DT will sacrifice himself and only if I flip red. Keep in mind that the chance I am townie is very high as I ran for mayor BEFORE roles. Would you rather have a 30% chance to lose a dt and kill one mafia, or a 100% chance to lose a BG for no good reason? Not to mention that DTs have been nerfed to shit so they're not as dominant anymore. Yes, I am. Your way only asks for one dt to check you. What if all 4 dts pull the "another dt will do it" Card. Then oh shit mafia now has every bodies role. You having 30% chance as mafia I'm not willing to take. You as 5% chance as godfather/traitor I am.
It won't happen. People will do it, they are naturally curious. I am really hesitant to use the BG plan right now, i don't want to have to sacrifice a bodyguard when I don't have that many to begin with.
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randombum vs Caller in this epic Tuesday Night bitch Fight... who will win?
Poll: Win?
(Vote): Caller
(Vote): randombum
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Listen, why not carry out the BG Plan just as it is? What's the problem with that? Please explain why the other Mafia Family affects this Plan; it's seems like it's just more Mafia.
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Sacrifice bodyguard. We need to be sure you are checked and it would be better to not have you checked 4 times. Caller your plan risks no one checking you and all of them checking you. There are multiple BGs for a reason.
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On November 19 2008 14:04 Versatile wrote:
Listen, why not carry out the BG Plan just as it is? What's the problem with that? Please explain why the other Mafia Family affects this Plan; it's seems like it's just more Mafia.
BG plan for real gives us 0 government by day 5 except elders. (this could even get earlier if mafia get a BG off sheer luck)
But doing it for one night gives us 4 BGs that have to die to luck b4 we lose our govenment.
I think 1 night is enough time to know whether or not caller is trustworthy.
(If 10 blues die day 2 then there's a crazy leak.)
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