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My initial fear for that post of telling everyone to be wary of voting caller was because I had this horrible thought that he was a mafia godfather or something, and he got one of his mafia buddies to run against him (for example mtf). Then it would be obvious why mtf is supporting caller, afterwords ver supported caller on his own, and between the three of them they have convinced everyone else to elect caller. That fear struck me so suddenly I felt the urge to post it. But like I've said its too late now, even if he is godfather he is going to win.
The reason I felt too much support is bad is because he could easily just have his mafia buddies hype him up. Yea he'd give up 2 of his crew, but as mafia mayor he takes out ALL the BGs and himself (eventually to vigs) and the pardoner. Which is a pretty decent sacrifice for forcing the town to rely ONLY only elders/vets.
Furthermore, I haven't read anything from him that distinguishes him too much as a townie. Sure he's funny, and he does vote counts, and he has the support of everyone. But I don't understand why this makes him the only real candidate for mayor. It seems everyone is just arguing over who should be pardoner and he's considered the winner for mayor already.
Anyways seeings as plexa got another vote (WTF?)
## I vote MTF
But this is likely to change to showtime if plexa loses a few (Say 5)
Edited small stuff
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On November 18 2008 12:14 MTF wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2008 12:05 inertinept wrote:
## I change my vote from MTF to Plexa Keep an eye out for this, guys. I don't care if you rush to Ver or not, I voted for him myself initially. Just DO NOT let them get Plexa into one of the spots. I'm at 14 to his 13 now.
Reposting this seeing as it was on the bottom of the other page.
15 to 13 now.
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Question: What's the point of the ## that some people put before votes?
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On November 18 2008 12:23 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Question: What's the point of the ## that some people put before votes?
It makes it easier for ace to find votes. cause he can ctrl f ##
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Guys hang on. Big update is on its way shortly.
STAY TUNED!!
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On November 18 2008 12:24 randombum wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2008 12:23 Pyrrhuloxia wrote:
Question: What's the point of the ## that some people put before votes? It makes it easier for ace to find votes. cause he can ctrl f ##
O ok. I'll use that from now on. I'd edit it but I don't want to risk the no editing rule.
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On November 18 2008 12:11 MTF wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2008 12:03 KlassyK wrote:
whose response did i copy from? the post i made was MY post! unless i just so happened to miss it, i didn't directly quote from anyone else like mischief did with what i wrote...so i really don't get what people are saying about both us having a mirrored response...my response wasn't plagarized, hers was, why am i being accused of mirroring another players response?
at any rate, after reading Shadow's post, it looks like mischief is def mafia...but i really don't think you should assume that i am when she flips red...i really think this is her way of trying to get me killed off at the beginning of the game...
Seriously though, does no one see what i'm saying about how mischief and i couldn't possibly be mafia together? i think you're insulting your own intelligence when you give the theory that Plexa is a leader of one of the mafia families and he told everybody to vote for him, but basically give the same general reasons as to why...that's dumb. and anyone could read the votes and say, "wtf, all these people are saying the same thing about plexa..." that's stupid. there's no strategy behind that whatsoever... You're missing the point. If there was a mistake made in the case that you are both mafia, it was Mischief's from not looking at the thread before using a template example to vote for Plexa that was already used and elaborated on by you. Nobody is accusing you of copying off of someone earlier in the thread. It's just you and Mischief. I'm not calling it a coordinated plan that was rooted in stupidity. I'm saying that Plexa, knowing that not everybody in his team would know why to promote him, gave some general information to use in voting for him. Now, it's fully possible that you are innocent, but it'd require an extremely good explanation as to why Mischief would sacrifice herself at the beginning of the game just to incriminate you to sway my view on that point. Because right now, looking at this from an objective standpoint, if Mischief flips red then either she made a stupid mistake or planned something stupid.
I suppose i'm missing the point simply because it's hard for me to wrap my head around the idea of a template for a mayor vote...imo, doing something like that is practically asking to be lynched...
as far as a possible sacrifice by mischief...i'm kind of looking at it like this:
in the most recent game of mafia on this MB, y'all were willing to lynch someone who role claimed detective based soley on the fact that Ace might have been innocent...why? because he is such a strong player and if innocent, would more than likely lead the town to victory...
i think the reverse is happening here...i'm not saying that i'm the equivalent of Ace on the MB that we come from, but i'm pretty darn good and mischief knows it...maybe, just maybe, she's taken it upon herself to try and get me lynched...a mafia martyr, if you will...
however, i'm just as interested as everyone else to hear her "reasons" as to why she posted what she did...
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In your counts you missed my vote, i voted MTF on page.. way back somewhere.
skimmed through the 10+ pages that has appeared since last i checked in, too tired to make a constructive post right now but ill read more carefully tomorrow. My vote for MTF stands.
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Showtime!
What if Caller is mafia?
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I don't get where all this anti plexa stuff is coming from, can someone sum it up? Is it because he would be too good as a mayor if he were mafioso or something? Or is there another reason?
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how much time is left to vote?
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We have till 3 AM Eastern Time.
Right now it's 10:31 PM. so a good 4 hours, 30 minutes.
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On November 18 2008 12:25 KlassyK wrote:
I suppose i'm missing the point simply because it's hard for me to wrap my head around the idea of a template for a mayor vote...imo, doing something like that is practically asking to be lynched...
By template I only meant an outline from Plexa about why you'd want to vote for him, given that he could rightfully assume that with all the new incoming players here at TL, they may not know what his qualifications are.
As for the Ace/Folca situation in the other game, the best course of action was to not lynch either of them until a DT check was put into play, which I would have supported if I hadn't been mafia myself. :p That best course of action in this game is not applicable in this scenario, and nor is it even the same sort of situation. We don't gain any information if we spare you after Mischief flips red, but we gain a lot and potentially a second mafia by doing so if she does.
If she isn't red, then this whole thing drops and I loathe Mischief forever. :p
O, and I noticed something in one of your posts:
Initially, Plexa was posting quite a bit...then he stops(which could have something to do with real life obligations, but i digress...)
Plexa has posted once since the game began, so...? I don't know where your information is coming from, but it isn't this thread. Honestly, it looks like you're defending him indirectly for being inactive after this all began. I believe he probably is, but that is irrelevant to your own motives.
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I'll be kicking myself if Caller turns out to be on the mafia side, but as he stated in the beginning of the thread . . . Caller is the only one who declared his candidacy for mayor before role assignments.
This makes it very unlikely that he is AoC or godfather. It puts him at about 75% chance of being townie.
I also like both Ver and MTF because they have plans which involve mayoral accountability. So we will be able to discern whether they are mayoring well or not.
Plexa on the other hand has given us very little and his supporters are the most suspicious: Templated votes and no comment votes.
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If:
-you are townie
-you voted plexa
please post why, and why you're not changing your vote
i realize you're not going to but this was worth a shot =-=
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On November 18 2008 12:32 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I don't get where all this anti plexa stuff is coming from, can someone sum it up? Is it because he would be too good as a mayor if he were mafioso or something? Or is there another reason?
No it's because Plexa has been compeltely silent recently, while mysterious votes with no explainations for their support keep coming in. Caller and MTF have both been very active, and their supporters have stated reasons for their votes.
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On November 18 2008 12:32 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I don't get where all this anti plexa stuff is coming from, can someone sum it up? Is it because he would be too good as a mayor if he were mafioso or something? Or is there another reason?
-Mostly suspicious behavior by his voters (2 of them voted giving the extremely similar posts guaranteeing that either Mischief copied KlassyK or they both copied from a common source like a pm from plexa. (Mischief is definitely up to something, s/he also talked to a fake traitor as if s/he were mafia)
-After that weird event Plexa has been silent (he could be busy).
-Tons of people have been voting Plexa or switching votes to Plexa without giving any explanations or warrants. (Quite eerie).
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On November 18 2008 12:32 RebirthOfLeGenD wrote:
I don't get where all this anti plexa stuff is coming from, can someone sum it up? Is it because he would be too good as a mayor if he were mafioso or something? Or is there another reason?
These are my reasons. Please keep in mind that I don't feel as strongly as I did earlier in regards to the possible Showtime!/Plexa connection, but am not completely disregarding it at this point.
+ Show Spoiler +The Case Against Plexa & Co.First, Plexa puts himself up for candidacy: On November 17 2008 16:22 Plexa wrote:Hi everyone, i think i'd be a good candidate for pardoner  i dont have the huge plans like past mayors have had but i do play a very good supporting character! And will assist ably in the victory of the town! I wouldn't call this out of character for Plexa. It's just a short, friendly post saying he'd like to be considered. I myself voted for him because I want him to stay alive and, having played closely with him before, know he can organize town. However, then the vote list got put up, with me and Plexa tied with six each, which led to: + Show Spoiler +On November 17 2008 22:44 Showtime! wrote:
Why in the blue hell do people want MTF as mayor?
He's one of the worst clue interpreters I've ever seen. Sure, he puts a lot of effort into it but Jesus he's usually wrong.
##I'll stand by my single vote for Caller in the meantime. That is unless he's decided to stop running.
EDIT (just wanted to add new info): Ver, I agree. Perhaps you should run for mayor, but keep in mind all the sheep are likely going to vote for Plexa (decent choice) or MTF (I think everyone knows where I stand on this one now).
I've played with Caller in the past. He's smart. :. I stand by him for now. and + Show Spoiler +On November 17 2008 23:11 Showtime! wrote:
MTF commits a lot of red herrings and he goes off on many different tangents. It's very bad.
Last game it was his downfall. He was trying effortlessly to get the Town off the mafia's tail and it failed horribly.
Clue interpretation is only but one side to the coin. We need someone who is fairly organized and has clear thoughts. Someone such as Caller or yourself.
Plexa would be an ideal candidate for Pardoner. He's great at writing articles, but how good is he at running a Town?
Plexa most likely got a Specialty Role this time around as there are many. Now, Showtime has no reason to hate me, so I know he's not defacing me for the sake of anomosity. He also ignored the fact that I was extremely accurate in Chuiu's second game of Mafia and instead displays town's excellent game in Chuiu's third game as proof against my abilities. At the very same time, he's saying that Plexa should get in as Pardoner, and then pretends to play devils' advocate by saying "but how good is he really?" without answering. I think he may have been trying to bait someone into answering for him so he didn't have to do all the promotion himself. Finally, he asserts that Plexa may be blue this game, just because of their numbers. All very weak and heavy-handed. It's a pretty obvious attempt to sway people to vote Plexa instead of me as we were neck and neck in votes at the time of his posting. And then came the nails in the coffin: + Show Spoiler +On November 18 2008 01:05 KlassyK wrote:
Having read/skimmed over ~17 pages, ## I vote Plexa for Mayor
I've read games that have been played on here, and I think Plexa has the intelligence and leadership ability to run the town well. On November 18 2008 03:54 mischief6000 wrote:
Having read/skimmed over 20 pages, ## I vote Plexa for Mayor
I think Plexa has the intelligence and leadership ability to run the town I can't help feeling sorry for Plexa, as the Showtime stuff only made him suspect to me, but this mistake by mischief and Klassy is going to bury their chances. I now strongly suspect he is an AoC or Godfather, and that Showtime, mischief, and Klassy are mafia in his family. I would kindly like to ask everyone who voted Plexa now to rescind your votes and place them elsewhere, as I truly feel we've got four mafia at the very beginning of this game.
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On November 18 2008 12:36 TruthBringer wrote:
I'll be kicking myself if Caller turns out to be on the mafia side, but as he stated in the beginning of the thread . . . Caller is the only one who declared his candidacy for mayor before role assignments.
This makes it very unlikely that he is AoC or godfather. It puts him at about 75% chance of being townie.
I also like both Ver and MTF because they have plans which involve mayoral accountability. So we will be able to discern whether they are mayoring well or not.
Plexa on the other hand has given us very little and his supporters are the most suspicious: Templated votes and no comment votes.
If you were here for the infamous game 2 (Game 1 and 3 were horribly one-sided). You would know that it means nothing.
I started my platform before the game by mass pming everyplayer a few hours before chuiu did. Sorry I got everyone's hopes up it was the real pm.
God Why do I keep bashing caller I have no real reason to do it.
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it appears that when i'm asleep everybody starts bashing me lol
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