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On November 18 2008 11:39 Versatile wrote:
Also, from personally playing with KlassyK, she's NOT a stupid player. I really believe Mischief is trying to set her up.
We should lynch Mischief first, ESPECIALLY after her response to ShadowDrgn. However, hopefully when she turns up red, we shouldn't assume KlassyK is mafia. In fact, it makes it even less likely that KlassyK is mafia, because no mafia is stupid enough to put their teammate out there like so early, with so much to lose.
It smells like a set-up to me.
It may well be, but it only takes a hurried response to make such a mistake. It makes more logical sense to assume they made a mistake in doing the same thing and less logical sense to think that a mafia player would out themselves this early on for the death of one unestablished townie.
To put that in a clearer way, one is a stupid mistake and the other is just stupid.
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Hey, reading though the thread... and it seems EVERYBODY is supporting caller for mayor. While I initially supported him too, it makes me worried that he might be TOO popular.
The problem is, all the other candidates are supporting him (ver/mtf). While he is undoubtedly qualified to lead, I wonder if he is mafia.
The reasoning is as follows: He has 0 enemies and a lot of supporters. However, looking at that list its only 15ish people. A number of whom who could easily be mafia and supporting their AOC. In addition.... his platform from what I saw was silly drawings and just his charisma.
So to those blindly voting, I would ask them to consider the possibility that all the support for caller is not necessarily a good thing.
This post is not to say that caller is a bad candidate, but we should consider if he is the best candidate.
I'd actually go for somebody silly like showtime who does not have a lot of support already IE most likely not supported by some mafia.
Just thought I'd get my thoughts out there.
Edit: Rereading this I'm just sowing chaos >.<, but no editing out posts so its going to stay. I'd ask however that everybody ignore this because plexa still has quite a few supporters and if everybody goes my way and votes for a new candidate like showtime (Or me??  ) might make it so plexa's 12 beats 4 sets of 10's
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VOTE PLEXA! HES NOT MAFIA!
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On November 18 2008 11:42 MTF wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2008 11:39 Versatile wrote:
Also, from personally playing with KlassyK, she's NOT a stupid player. I really believe Mischief is trying to set her up.
We should lynch Mischief first, ESPECIALLY after her response to ShadowDrgn. However, hopefully when she turns up red, we shouldn't assume KlassyK is mafia. In fact, it makes it even less likely that KlassyK is mafia, because no mafia is stupid enough to put their teammate out there like so early, with so much to lose.
It smells like a set-up to me. It may well be, but it only takes a hurried response to make such a mistake. It makes more logical sense to assume they made a mistake in doing the same thing and less logical sense to think that a mafia player would out themselves this early on for the death of one unestablished townie. To put that in a clearer way, one is a stupid mistake and the other is just stupid.
Hurried how? There were hours between their posts, if I am not mistaken.
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On November 18 2008 11:39 Versatile wrote:
Also, from personally playing with KlassyK, she's NOT a stupid player.
It smells like a set-up to me.
No one is calling her stupid. I think what may have happened is that plexa (or a plexa supporter) sent a pm to her saying to vote in that manner and she didn't realize it was a mass pm and so she didn't mix up the template as much as she would have if she realized that.
Mischief is almost certainly a stupid player given her / his response to ShadowDrgn and the vote post, so I doubt she or he is smart enough to pull off an elaborate set up.
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That's why I was pushing for someone like Ver random. I haven't switched my vote once. My intention was to vote Caller in, in hopes of making him a pardoner.
It's still very early. We have to go on our hunches and right now my suspicions rest on Plexa and whatever crew he has at his disposal.
An AoC has every right to try and get into office in hopes of killing off almost all the BGs except one. That way the Town would have no core trust to start with and hell, it would take a few days to get everything in order.
We have to be careful. I hope Ver gets in.
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I have to say this is getting pretty difficult to follow after 31 pages. Can we move it to a new thread after tonight?
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On November 18 2008 11:51 Versatile wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2008 11:42 MTF wrote:On November 18 2008 11:39 Versatile wrote:
Also, from personally playing with KlassyK, she's NOT a stupid player. I really believe Mischief is trying to set her up.
We should lynch Mischief first, ESPECIALLY after her response to ShadowDrgn. However, hopefully when she turns up red, we shouldn't assume KlassyK is mafia. In fact, it makes it even less likely that KlassyK is mafia, because no mafia is stupid enough to put their teammate out there like so early, with so much to lose.
It smells like a set-up to me. It may well be, but it only takes a hurried response to make such a mistake. It makes more logical sense to assume they made a mistake in doing the same thing and less logical sense to think that a mafia player would out themselves this early on for the death of one unestablished townie. To put that in a clearer way, one is a stupid mistake and the other is just stupid. Hurried how? There were hours between their posts, if I am not mistaken.
Not a hurried coordinated effort. I'm not saying they posted the same thing intentionally.
One of these scenarios follows:
1. They both got a PM from Plexa outlining some things to say and took it almost verbatim to the thread, Mischief mistakenly not looking at the thread before she did it. This is made more possible in my eyes considering she actually responded to ShadowDrgn. (O how that makes me smile.)
2. Mischief is setting up Klassy and, through association, Plexa to take a fall. This is the very beginning of the game, Plexa didn't seem to have a lot of conversation going on about him, and Klassy is just one of 84 people. Now, this is also made more possible in my eyes because she responded to Shadow, but this is the less logical route, as she gains more by simply staying alive then she does implicating those she would in enacting such a plan.
or
3. Mischief is green and is screwing with everyone for absolutely no good reason. 
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Random, you are right about one thing. I should have ran for office.
It is definitely too late for me to run though.
Ace how much time do we have?
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On November 18 2008 11:57 MTF wrote:Show nested quote +On November 18 2008 11:51 Versatile wrote:On November 18 2008 11:42 MTF wrote:On November 18 2008 11:39 Versatile wrote:
Also, from personally playing with KlassyK, she's NOT a stupid player. I really believe Mischief is trying to set her up.
We should lynch Mischief first, ESPECIALLY after her response to ShadowDrgn. However, hopefully when she turns up red, we shouldn't assume KlassyK is mafia. In fact, it makes it even less likely that KlassyK is mafia, because no mafia is stupid enough to put their teammate out there like so early, with so much to lose.
It smells like a set-up to me. It may well be, but it only takes a hurried response to make such a mistake. It makes more logical sense to assume they made a mistake in doing the same thing and less logical sense to think that a mafia player would out themselves this early on for the death of one unestablished townie. To put that in a clearer way, one is a stupid mistake and the other is just stupid. Hurried how? There were hours between their posts, if I am not mistaken. Not a hurried coordinated effort. I'm not saying they posted the same thing intentionally. One of these scenarios follows: 1. They both got a PM from Plexa outlining some things to say and took it almost verbatim to the thread, Mischief mistakenly not looking at the thread before she did it. This is made more possible in my eyes considering she actually responded to ShadowDrgn. (O how that makes me smile.) 2. Mischief is setting up Klassy and, through association, Plexa to take a fall. This is the very beginning of the game, Plexa didn't seem to have a lot of conversation going on about him, and Klassy is just one of 84 people. Now, this is also made more possible in my eyes because she responded to Shadow, but this is the less logical route, as she gains more by simply staying alive then she does implicating those she would in enacting such a plan. or 3. Mischief is green and is screwing with everyone for absolutely no good reason.
Having played with Mischief.....option #3 is the most likely, sadly
I'm just speaking from my experience of playing with both of them, just like you could speak on Plexa or Showtime!'s playing style much better than I could.
I'll let them speak for themselves though.
EDIT: added "could" for grammatical reasons.
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Haha showtime, I'm still considering throwing myself out there
But I didn't mass pm everyone so the most solid base for my platform is missing.
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ok. i need some clarification here. correct me if i'm wrong, but i appears that some people who voted for Plexa are supposedly giving cookie cutter responses (or that's what a lot of the town members think)
whose response did i copy from? the post i made was MY post! unless i just so happened to miss it, i didn't directly quote from anyone else like mischief did with what i wrote...so i really don't get what people are saying about both us having a mirrored response...my response wasn't plagarized, hers was, why am i being accused of mirroring another players response?
at any rate, after reading Shadow's post, it looks like mischief is def mafia...but i really don't think you should assume that i am when she flips red...i really think this is her way of trying to get me killed off at the beginning of the game...
At any rate, I change my vote from Plexa to Ver
Seriously though, does no one see what i'm saying about how mischief and i couldn't possibly be mafia together? i think you're insulting your own intelligence when you give the theory that Plexa is a leader of one of the mafia families and he told everybody to vote for him, but basically give the same general reasons as to why...that's dumb. and anyone could read the votes and say, "wtf, all these people are saying the same thing about plexa..." that's stupid. there's no strategy behind that whatsoever...
now, i'm going to go eat my honeybun...which is probably cold now :-(
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On November 18 2008 11:48 randombum wrote:Hey, reading though the thread... and it seems EVERYBODY is supporting caller for mayor. While I initially supported him too, it makes me worried that he might be TOO popular. The problem is, all the other candidates are supporting him (ver/mtf). While he is undoubtedly qualified to lead, I wonder if he is mafia. The reasoning is as follows: He has 0 enemies and a lot of supporters. However, looking at that list its only 15ish people. A number of whom who could easily be mafia and supporting their AOC. In addition.... his platform from what I saw was silly drawings and just his charisma. So to those blindly voting, I would ask them to consider the possibility that all the support for caller is not necessarily a good thing. This post is not to say that caller is a bad candidate, but we should consider if he is the best candidate. I'd actually go for somebody silly like showtime who does not have a lot of support already IE most likely not supported by some mafia. Just thought I'd get my thoughts out there. Edit: Rereading this I'm just sowing chaos >.<, but no editing out posts so its going to stay. I'd ask however that everybody ignore this because plexa still has quite a few supporters and if everybody goes my way and votes for a new candidate like showtime (Or me?? ) might make it so plexa's 12 beats 4 sets of 10's
So your only reason for going against Caller is that he has too much support? I'm so convinced [/sarcasm]
Everything after "Edit:" makes sense, but everything before doesn't. Plexa is the only candidate with real suspicious stuff going on and the fact that both other candidates support Caller makes me think better of him because... well I thought I had a reason why that means he was less likely to be mafia but I can't remember it and now think it doesn't really help one way or the other but we don't really have anything to go on for anyone but Plexa so I guess we'll just vote in 2 people who aren't plexa and hope the dts and bgs get to work fast on making sure our leaders aren't mafia.
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On November 18 2008 12:00 Showtime! wrote:
Random, you are right about one thing. I should have ran for office.
It is definitely too late for me to run though.
Ace how much time do we have?
3AM EST USA.
Unless he extends it to 11AM EST USA.
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## I change my vote from MTF to Plexa
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This is all very...odd...
Initially, Plexa was posting quite a bit...then he stops(which could have something to do with real life obligations, but i digress...)
after plexa stops posting, a whole slew of random votes with no explanation whatsoever come in for him...
though i def know how it feels to be implicated based on the actions of another person(s) that may have nothing whatsoever to do with your actions...this is...odd...
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On November 18 2008 12:03 KlassyK wrote:
whose response did i copy from? the post i made was MY post! unless i just so happened to miss it, i didn't directly quote from anyone else like mischief did with what i wrote...so i really don't get what people are saying about both us having a mirrored response...my response wasn't plagarized, hers was, why am i being accused of mirroring another players response?
at any rate, after reading Shadow's post, it looks like mischief is def mafia...but i really don't think you should assume that i am when she flips red...i really think this is her way of trying to get me killed off at the beginning of the game...
Seriously though, does no one see what i'm saying about how mischief and i couldn't possibly be mafia together? i think you're insulting your own intelligence when you give the theory that Plexa is a leader of one of the mafia families and he told everybody to vote for him, but basically give the same general reasons as to why...that's dumb. and anyone could read the votes and say, "wtf, all these people are saying the same thing about plexa..." that's stupid. there's no strategy behind that whatsoever...
You're missing the point. If there was a mistake made in the case that you are both mafia, it was Mischief's from not looking at the thread before using a template example to vote for Plexa that was already used and elaborated on by you. Nobody is accusing you of copying off of someone earlier in the thread. It's just you and Mischief.
I'm not calling it a coordinated plan that was rooted in stupidity. I'm saying that Plexa, knowing that not everybody in his team would know why to promote him, gave some general information to use in voting for him.
Now, it's fully possible that you are innocent, but it'd require an extremely good explanation as to why Mischief would sacrifice herself at the beginning of the game just to incriminate you to sway my view on that point. Because right now, looking at this from an objective standpoint, if Mischief flips red then either she made a stupid mistake or planned something stupid.
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Again, very interesting choice. Please care to explain it inertinept.
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On November 18 2008 11:57 MTF wrote:Not a hurried coordinated effort. I'm not saying they posted the same thing intentionally. One of these scenarios follows: 1. They both got a PM from Plexa outlining some things to say and took it almost verbatim to the thread, Mischief mistakenly not looking at the thread before she did it. This is made more possible in my eyes considering she actually responded to ShadowDrgn. (O how that makes me smile.) 2. Mischief is setting up Klassy and, through association, Plexa to take a fall. This is the very beginning of the game, Plexa didn't seem to have a lot of conversation going on about him, and Klassy is just one of 84 people. Now, this is also made more possible in my eyes because she responded to Shadow, but this is the less logical route, as she gains more by simply staying alive then she does implicating those she would in enacting such a plan. or 3. Mischief is green and is screwing with everyone for absolutely no good reason.
I would be more inclined to believe 2 if plexa had said anything (he could be busy and something could be forthcoming), but since he hasn't, 1 seems more likely to me. I guess 3 could be true but there's not really much you can do about it if there's no rhyme or reason to what she/he's doing. Also note that Mischief should be lynched in all 3 cases:
Case 1: Mischief is mafia and messed up, screwing over her/his family that includes Plexa.
Case 2: Mischief is mafia and knows Plexa is a good player that isn't in her/his mafia group, and decided to sacrifice her/his life to take out Plexa by way of KlassyK.
Case 3: Mischief is a towny, but a really counterproductive and unhelpful one that will just make shit harder and more confusing for us as time goes on (basically a traitor without the role).
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On November 18 2008 12:05 inertinept wrote:
## I change my vote from MTF to Plexa
Keep an eye out for this, guys. I don't care if you rush to Ver or not, I voted for him myself initially. Just DO NOT let them get Plexa into one of the spots. I'm at 14 to his 13 now.
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