On March 14 2008 22:03 BWdero wrote: Yes a new mafia game, and i'm in this time! This is gonna do wonders for my post count.
Just make sure you're active >.>
Edit: and reading all of the new posts...how the hell are you guys accusing people of being mafia now? With the people who have already declared their candidacy, yes there's a good chance all of them will be chosen as mafia, but there's just as good a chance that all will be townies...It's all luck at this point, no matter how shady someone might be acting. Obviously the mafia would like one of their own as mayor, but if you take the fact that mafia still kicked our ass last game and the fact that even Chuiu himself (I"m pretty sure it was Chuiu, could've been Dapperdan) said that in all his games he's never seen a mafia mayor. Then you can see that's it's stupid to start listing people who could be mafia, especially before the game starts, just because they're running for mayor.
Guys... lynch this mofo. He makes too much sense!!!
On March 20 2008 04:34 Wysp wrote: Figuring out for sure if Empyrean is mafia is fairly important. If he is it will be easy to figure out atleast where to look for a few more members.
Easy to solve. Get a (or some) detectives to investigate me, and report their findings directly to Ace.
You should investigate yourself and report back to us with your findings lol!
On March 20 2008 05:00 Empyrean wrote: nemY: I have a feeling you're mafia, but obviously I can't really accuse you of anything at the moment. You know why? Because I started the same thing you're trying to do last game.
After L2W failed in his protection of alventenie, I started the whole "he revealed his role, but he's not actually paramedic!" bandwagon that got him lynched.
So at the moment, shut up and watch the game unfold.
You accuse me yet again... guys I think Empyrean is mafia!
On March 20 2008 13:45 Showtime! wrote: Not only that he didn't even look to see who !@#$%! voted beforehand. He killed someone who wasn't even still in the game = uncool especially with all the damage he could have done.
Wait. Who do you propose he should have used the instant lynch on, if at all? I wanna hear your side.
I think Showtime! has made a few dodgy posts, this isn't a flat out accusation but I'm watching him carefully. There are also a few more that I'm being wary of.
On March 21 2008 04:26 bumatlarge wrote: Hm, what is a blue doesn't trust Ace? Would we lynch them even if they are a blue. Maybe a detective is pooling his clues and doesn't want to chance it? Hopefully they all send PMs...
On March 21 2008 04:36 Fishball wrote: Everyone just hush, and wait for Day to come. See who lives and who dies. Then wait for our detectives to check our mayor out.
After that point we continue to phase 2.
The Bodyguard plan would be carried out in the end anyways. As the majority of townies voted for him, it would be pointless if we would want to stop Ace's plan here, except for one case - Ace is proved to be mafia.
"Certain" individuals who oppose Ace's plan at this early stage of the game, even after fellow players who tried to explain the logic to him yet "failed", really looks suspicious to me.
Really? Because you think there's a foolproof method of winning mafia?
The main reason everyone would send their roles is to determine blues. If a blue posted his role in thread, mafia will kill them obviously! By PM, blues can keep identities safe with Ace. They should still wait for a detectives confirmation though, let's wait til morning.
Well I don't want to die, so just thought I'd clarify that for everyone to see that I am in fact a townie.
On March 22 2008 11:32 Mynock wrote: Two mafias, HIGH FIVE!!
Daybreak when? I will die
Mynock, I've had enough of these immature random accusations. I understand if you're just trying to have fun, but confusing the town is never a good thing.
Siddharta Fucking Gautama Buddha, you'll never stop, will you?
Mafia please kill me now, else I shoot myself out of frustration -_-;
I don't know why I let you go You said you'd wait I said I'd hope you would We talked 'til late until we walked away What's meant to be will be the same
And I feel like stone Yes I feel ice cold I pick myself up from the ground Sick to death of lying down And now I have to find you once again
You're in my soul You're in my mind But I don't know where you are now You're in my soul You're in my mind But I don't know where you are now
Driving round and round until its dawn To look for you in rooms we used to go I held you back, I had to set you free But now I know what's meant to be
And I feel like stone Yes I feel ice cold I pick myself up from the ground Sick to death of lying down And now I have to find you once again
You're in my soul You're in my mind But I don't know where you are now You're in my soul You're in my mind But I don't know where you are now
You're in my soul You're in my mind But I don't know where you are now You're in my soul You're in my mind But I don't know where you are now
On April 14 2008 14:26 MTF wrote: Alright, I know we're supposed to be focusing on the Mandalor list, and my suspects are centered around that at the moment as I review the day posts.
However, I am 100% sure I have a Mafia pegged, and I can't believe I never noticed it before.
Take a look..
Yogurt had thrown a rock that struck Black Mamba in the face with much ease.
He kicked Eddie aside as he was helping Black Mamba recover from the stone that struck his face and stumbled but still managed to make an easy round house kick to knock Black Mamba back down.
He moved toward Eddie readying himself for another fight but was tripped by Black Mambas flailing legs.
Black Mamba felt his way up and began kicking Yogurt in the back to compliment Eddies assault.
They both took their turns dealing with Yogurt but when Eddie noticed Yogurt manage to pull some sort of switch out of his pocket he yelled at Black Mamba to back off.
Mr. Orange shrugged and shot him in the leg. Meta fell to the ground and started screaming for help. Black Mamba was a bit alarmed and tried to quiet the man, permanently, but ended up just bruising his face from stomping his foot around.
The point of all of these clues is one of two things: Black Mamba is physically helpless and CANNOT SEE. This is why he feels his way up to kick Yogurt, why Eddie has to yell at him to warm him about the switch, why Black Mamba is alarmed by the gunshot and proceeds to miss his attempts to stomp the man, why Eddie went back to help him in the first place, and why he is so easily hit; he can't dodge because he can't see.
On April 17 2008 02:24 nemY wrote: The inconsistencies in your guys "detective work" is uhh rather disconcerting... =/
Try doing some yourself! :p
Also, a general note: the only time criticism is helping in any way is when it is specific enough to reveal faults, such as qrs finding the missing two from Day 2 post. Your comments will be taken much more seriously if they have actual content to them instead of just bashing the people working hardest to figure things out.
Well I don't want to blindly take everything you say as fact now do I? Although, I have to give credit when it's due, I think you've been spot on for the most part. I'm nowhere near the cunning puzzle decipherer that you are, but it's not too much of a stretch to believe that at least one of the "puzzle solvers" (I'll use that term to avoid using the term "detective") is working on the inside. With insider information that only a few people know are privy to, can you blame me for being worked up a bit?
One thing to think about in regards to the King Brown Snake being crazie-penguin
King Brown Snake grabbed Caller's legs and he fell over after he lost his balance. Caller got a leg free and kicked off the maddened King Brown Snake but wasn't in the clear yet.
Penguins shouldn't be able to physically grab someone should they? Not trying to defend him and it's possible Chuiu unintentionally thought of that but... something seems fishy eh?
That being said the evidence is mostly stacked in favor of crazie-penguin and his defense is... laughable to say the least.
On April 17 2008 02:24 nemY wrote: The inconsistencies in your guys "detective work" is uhh rather disconcerting... =/
Try doing some yourself! :p
Also, a general note: the only time criticism is helping in any way is when it is specific enough to reveal faults, such as qrs finding the missing two from Day 2 post. Your comments will be taken much more seriously if they have actual content to them instead of just bashing the people working hardest to figure things out.
Well I don't want to blindly take everything you say as fact now do I? Although, I have to give credit when it's due, I think you've been spot on for the most part. I'm nowhere near the cunning puzzle decipherer that you are, but it's not too much of a stretch to believe that at least one of the "puzzle solvers" (I'll use that term to avoid using the term "detective") is working on the inside. With insider information that only a few people know are privy to, can you blame me for being worked up a bit?
One thing to think about in regards to the King Brown Snake being crazie-penguin
King Brown Snake grabbed Caller's legs and he fell over after he lost his balance. Caller got a leg free and kicked off the maddened King Brown Snake but wasn't in the clear yet.
Penguins shouldn't be able to physically grab someone should they? Not trying to defend him and it's possible Chuiu unintentionally thought of that but... something seems fishy eh?
That being said the evidence is mostly stacked in favor of crazie-penguin and his defense is... laughable to say the least.
Well that could be explained if he used his beak to grab him - and then losing his balance because he lunged forward to grab him
A penguin grabbing both of someone's legs with his beak though? I realize that I'll probably be suspect #1 if I turn out to be wrong in defending crazie-penguin, but do you really think your explanation is plausible?
Well, I didn't much expect my analysis to hold much water among the elite "puzzle solvers" such as yourself or Plexa. Later on I'll try to see if I can scrounge up anything.
On April 18 2008 17:59 MTF wrote: People from the/my (not sure which to call it here) top suspects list that are also on the Mandalor list:
ieatkids5 0cz3c Ninja4ever. suresh0t L
Other general personal suspects on the Mandalor list:
unsoundlogic (if L comes up innocent, as unsound is on the TranceStorm list as well and I like him as Mr. Orange) Clazziquai Unforgiven_ve Jimtudor nemY GeneralStan
Remove me please? Unless you have some super evidence that incriminates me.
One of those eight is mafia, and Ulszz/nemY are the only ones we have connected clues with.
I do have another suspect among these, RtS)Night[Mare.
On April 19 2008 02:55 Scorch wrote: Not a supervillain, but my own take on Mr. Pink + Show Spoiler +
"Yes, but lets not be hasty, we should take care when proceeding" (wisdom, cool-headed planning) commented Mr. Pink as he began going over the plans.
Mr. Pink responded by reminding them that death was now a normal thing in Liquidia (unemotional remark). As he held up the top portion of Mynocks head, the bottom on the ground a few feet away after falling apart from the buckshot (gruesome, macabre), the two men became filled with shock.
He struck him down with ease and met gaze with Mr. Pink right away but wasn't prepared for the punch to the face soon after
Suck my nuts ok i'ove beem drinking; smoking be back in a few days fuck ywhy has been plexa been asking who's mafia? cuz ace gone? i said i was mad hater ir sine hit. seee you sunday or monday :D!
OneBlueAugust was getting up ready to fight Mr. Pink but slipped on some gooey substance on the ground. Sidewinder was still on the ground but Mr. Pink had found a weapon to use against OneBlueAugust. Using the long hair as a handle and the head as a weight Mr. Pink smashed OneBlueAugust continually with Mynocks head (same again). OneBlueAugust crawled past the substance he had slipped on and stumbled to his feet as Mr. Pink ditched Mynocks now misshaped and broken head to the side. Mr. Pink found the rest of the fight easy as OneBlueAugust struggled to defend himself against an able fighter (gained a "level-up" from Mynock's pain?). Blow after blow came and finally OneBlueAugust fell to the ground with no strength left to live (energy leeched out of him?).
Mr. Pink and Mr. Brown were standing just in front of his phone and as he glanced at it Mr. Brown picked it up and said "oh you want this?" and smashed it on the table breaking it in two. "Sorry we can't have you doing that, allow me to introduce myself I'm Mr. Brown and my quiet friend here is Mr. Pink. We're here to kill you." said Mr. Brown as he pulled a gun out of his coat. Fishball was stricken with fear, he got on his knees and begged for their mercy. Mr. Pink said something to Mr. Brown and instead of shooting Fishball, they viciously beat him till he fell unconscious. (Mr. Pink wants to beat him to death slowly for additional pain, instead of shooting him dead quickly. Mr.Brown obeys because Mr.Pink is considered wise and cold-minded.) Fishball died a few hours later to internal bleeding.
From this, I extract two major themes: bloodlust/violence/sadism and thoughtfulness/wisdom/considerateness. Bind this to RtS)Night[Mare's profile text: "Pain makes one suffer. Suffering makes one think. Thinking makes one wise. And Wisdom makes life bearable." Nightmare gains wisdom/strength by pain (of his victims?). This fits perfectly with Mr.Pink's brutality and sadism, and it also explains Mr.Pink's smartness and good thinking. If you want to take the "supervillain or being with superhuman powers" route, a "Nightmare" or "Incubus" is also a demon, which drains energy from its victim and would probably be a strong fighter.
I'd say ulszz > NightMare > nemY.
Hmm.
But, of those three, only nemY is on the Mandalor list. This boosts his chance of being the Mafia among them greatly, as Mandalor list is 1/4 odds of hitting a Mafia, Showtime! list at 1/8. In other words, outside of the Showtime! list, Ulszz or Nightmare would have to be one of four Mafia left in seventy-seven people vs nemY being one of ten Mafia left in forty people.
Statistically alone, strength lies in nemY's case being Mafia, and I feel most strongly that his clues match up.
Er, nevermind. Nightmare is on the Mandalor list. That strengthens his case opposed to Ulszz for me, but of the two I still feel nemY is the prime choice.
I'm going to stop trying to defend myself here and in any future rounds. I'll work on clue analysis instead, but first need to catchup on the game and its facts
This is all I got so far as possible suspects. Bare in mind, I tried to completely disregard everything MTF and Plexa have brought up as far as information/suspects, because I find it good to take a fresh look at things. That being said, I still have doubts for the one possible suspect, because there are a few things that don't quite fit.
Fanatacist as Joe Pros -has thumbs up pic in his profile -From wiki: Fanaticism is an emotion of being filled with excessive, uncritical zeal, particularly for an extreme religious or political cause, or with an obsessive enthusiasm for a pastime or hobby. According to philosopher George Santayana, "Fanaticism consists in redoubling your effort when you have forgotten your aim"[1]; according to Winston Churchill, "A fanatic is one who can't change his mind and won't change the subject". Very strict standards and little tolerance. The difference between a fan and a fanatic is that while both have an overwhelming liking or interest in a given subject, behaviour of a fanatic will be viewed as violating prevailing social norms, while that of a fan will not violate those norms (although is usually considered unusual).[2] A fanatic differs from a crank in that the latter term is typically associated with a position or opinion which is so far from the norm as to appear ludicrous and/or provably wrong, while the subject of the fanatic's obsession may well be "normal", with only the scale of involvement being abnormally disproportionate.
-Compare that to the things Joe says and does
"Stop him! You heard Eddie, either you're with us or you're permanently not, make your choice now!"
"Is this your friend?" LucasWoJ asked as he pointed to Sidewinder, lying next to a pool of vomit. "Yeah thats him alright, always drinking a little too much" said Joe as he pulled Sidewinder into the back of the car with the help of LucasWoJ. "Well thanks for the help, but I'm afraid my friend was supposed to give you something" said Joe as he turned to face LucasWoj. He was confused in his response and didn't really want anything to do with the two anymore so he decided to be short and walk back toward his van. But Joe pulled out a gun and shot LucasWoJ dead saying "he was supposed to kill you".
-and
Joe gave Mr. Blue a thumbs up for effort as he grabbed and held onto aZnvaLiaNce from behind
Joe has been incredibly supportive of his cause (of course the mafia would be right?), but to the point where he is picking up the slack of his teammates to complete the missions.
Cons
-I could find nothing from his "Public Profile" that really ties him into the game -He might already be cleared by "X" list... (damn near impossible to search for the lists etc... hopefully someone can help me out here)
I can't really determine if he's a concrete suspect al la Plexa, MTF and the now deceased fusionsdf, but I still think it's good to throw something new out there. Criticisms are welcome.
People Not On Mandalor List: - 2 killed tonight. + Show Spoiler +
HotZhot Dr.Dragoon CDRdude So no fek Fen Wizard imDerek Puosu infinity21 Alventenie SiZ.Fantasy Amber[Light] Vharox fgsvsd KF91 MasterOfChaos LTT str Kuja900 araav More_Minerals LostYourSkills Heros)Pink Korvspad Bockit Ziel Hollander Supah jtan Spoinka DamageControl omfghi2u2 RowdierBob AmorVincitOmnia Wysp Bugzltoonl DTDominion rpf
Total: 38 people, 3 or 4 (depending on the Showtime! list results) mafia.
Don't understand why they didn't take all of their kills from the Non-Mandalor list - it makes no logical sense, but I'm not gonna complain.
They took two off Plexa's list of innocents
On April 25 2008 21:51 Plexa wrote: i think i found something potentially game breaking o.O but we'll see how it goes...
but it does say that the following are innocent; Pangolin Naib BWdero SoleSteeler Last Romantic Ahrara 0cz7c which has two suspects i was sure were mafia =/
Well, I don't think fanatacist is mafia anymore. Instead I'd rather go back to what Plexa said earlier about Joe and cars (can't find who it is now anymore xD).
This was something I sent to MTF and Plexa a few days ago in regards to possible suspects. Unfortunately neither appeared in last night's killings:
Here's a few people I'm looking at as possible suspects. Your thoughts/criticisms are appreciated. I'll publish it after the Night Post (provided I don't die... which I think is unlikely as long as my name is up as a possible suspect)
"The man on the far side introduced himself as Enigma and the closer man bowed with his hat in hand and referred to himself as California Mountain Snake."
"As he began picking up speed he heard something singing behind him. He peered over his shoulder to see that California Mountain Snake had thrown something at him. Unfortunately Dinmsab had no time to react as his head was sliced clean off by the object and he fell to the ground dead."
"Joe kept a tight grip as California Mountain Snake took out his own weapon of choice. He sliced clean through aZnvaLiaNce in his chest, his gut, his arms and legs and pretty soon aZnvaLiaNce was a bloody mess, and they left him there to bleed out and die knowing he couldn't do a thing to save himself in the condition he was in."
-notice his public profile, it simply says "Sup". That corresponds well to the initial time he spoke when he introduced himself. -Unfortunately I find it hard to tie in his quote "Cheese in the grater is greater cheese." to anything mafia related. It's a play on words (forget the proper term) and initially made me suspect him as Mr.Blond ("Mr. Blonde had braced himself on the ceiling and swooped down from above diving strait into Mynock.") which leads me to my next suspect
Wysp as Mr. Blond
-It seems like Mr. Blond only really attacks/kills (with weapons) when his target attacks him or he flees
"He panicked as he realized his only line of defense against two men was gone and he just about surrendered as Mr. Blonde appeared in the room with the shotgun, Mr. Brown just behind him. He dived toward Mr. Blonde in effort to tackle him but Mynock's attack was cut short as he ate a mouthful of buckshot."
"Mr. Blonde mocked G.s)NarutO for his failed attempts at helping the town and then pulled out a gun to kill him. G.s)NarutO wasn't ready to give up on life completely though and thought he could redeem himself by taking out this man for the town. He charged towards Mr. Blonde and tried to grab his gun but Mr. Blonde was a bit faster to respond and shot him twice in the leg. He finished it by shooting G.s)NarutO in the head and made his escape through a window before getting caught by a horde of monks."
"They decided on the first person they saw, xDark.Carnivalx. Mr. Blonde jetted towards him and knocked him to the ground with a punch square in the jaw. xDark.Carnivalx was dazed and still disoriented and shocked from the explosion, but he managed to stumble to his feet only to get kicked down again. The adrenaline was rushing but xDark.Carnivalx was getting frustrated, he looked around for something to use as a weapon and found a shattered pipe. He grabbed it and swung at Mr. Blonde, forcing him to back off and provide time for xDark.Carnivalx to get off the ground."
-compare this to Wysp's quote "an overdeveloped sense of self preservation" -Unfortunately it's hard to tie Wysp in with his speed/quickness that he appears to display. Even if you take his name as "Wisp".. it's a stretch to relate to quickness. Safe to say though, ninja's don't generally use guns to dispose of their enemies.
I can't get behind you on this one Plexa. I understand the idea behind it, especially if Eddie is indeed Saboteur, but I feel there are quite a few other suspects with stronger ties. Why take that risk? We have at least two "for sures" lined up in Clazziquai and suresh0t.
On May 07 2008 05:45 suresh0t wrote: Caller tried dodging the next attack but King Brown Snake was on him again and the blow pierced through his skull.
That would be King Brown Snake with the kill blow, The Wolf got him once in the chest but it didnt kill him, which means he doesn't one shot kill. So you just disproved your own argument.
The Last Romantic kill wasn't reluctance it was just smart. They cleared the bar of witnesses then killed him, that isn't apologetic or reluctant.
Both of the clues to my picture are insanely loose considering there is no debris in my photo, and the nails I still think are clearly linked to cottonmouth.
As for the voting, I was following Aces plan until the plan stopped because all the detectives were dead. Now voting really only effects anything if there is a close vote, which there hasn't been one. I said I was going on vacation so I missed the last 2 votes.
Like I said I just find it funny, I'm not mad that I'm suspected, it's part of the game. I'm just saying your clues are loose at best, there are surely better suspects and I'm trying not to let the town waste a lynch on a green (if you didn't get that I'm saying I are GREEN!) =].
Good day.
BTW reading your mafia-related blog entry is hilarious/suspicious in of itself because everyone you suspected ended up flipping green/blue except your last suspect (BlindAlbino). I can't put much weight into it though since it was done after Day 1 lol
On May 09 2008 15:56 qrs wrote: Well, I didn't think he was our strongest suspect, but it was worth a shot, I guess. Now we can go on to surer cases like suresh0t (Wolf) clazziquai (Orange) ninja (Blonde)
right?
Personally after Day 9 I fail to see how Ninja4ever. is our prime suspect as Mr. Blond.
"They wanted everyones attention right away so Mr. Blonde charged through the front door, a move that shattered all the windows"
Seems very unninjaish to me. If someone breaks through a convenience store door and managed to shatter all the surrounding glass windows, I'd start looking for someone possessing some crazy speed. =/
On May 09 2008 15:56 qrs wrote: Well, I didn't think he was our strongest suspect, but it was worth a shot, I guess. Now we can go on to surer cases like suresh0t (Wolf) clazziquai (Orange) ninja (Blonde)
right?
Personally after Day 9 I fail to see how Ninja4ever. is our prime suspect as Mr. Blond.
"They wanted everyones attention right away so Mr. Blonde charged through the front door, a move that shattered all the windows"
Seems very unninjaish to me. If someone breaks through a convenience store door and managed to shatter all the surrounding glass windows, I'd start looking for someone possessing some crazy speed. =/
hmmm...trying to protect a mafia brother eh? i am suspicious of ninja4ever...and i think MTF and Plexa too. But maybe he's not our primary suspect
I don't really think Unforgiven is mafia here either.
-I don't see how Exhibit A has anything to relate to Unforgiven -Exhibit B seems questionable to me. A normal person on his own would have trouble carrying a passed out individual of roughly the same size into the back seat of a car... unless he dragged him in or had help. -Exhibit D doesn't make much sense if Unforgiven is a short rabbit, how could he give someone a thumb's up sign and hold someone else down from behind? -If Joe really is Unforgiven, than Unforgiven shouldn't have any way of being able to talk (since he's a bunny). If crazie-penguin couldn't talk, why should Unforgiven be able to?
Sadly I can't really offer anyone else as a potential alternative for Joe though
The d.arkive case is true, but to be fair, what could Chuiu do to tie in d.arkive as mafia? You ever head of a d.arkive? A name like Unforgiven could be tied to many things as well... honestly the more I think about it the more I can make the case for either Unforgiven or fanatacist as Joe. Looking at every confirmed + killed mafia suspect, they all were tied to ONLY ONE THING. You could still argue that fanatacist is Joe, but... i dunno what to think now.
Exhibit B I can possibly see, but even then a normal sized person would have trouble carrying a passed out individual of equivalent size into a car. Exhibit D still don't make sense as the bunny is flipping us off rather than giving a thumbs up (perhaps Chuiu could have misinterpreted it though). Actually looking back at it, Unforgivenshould be able to talk since his picture is of the infamous "happy bunny"
So yeah, he's probably mafia. Anyone know anything about Kuja9000 being Mr. Blond (I don't know much about final fantasy, so if there is anyone who does can they look into it)?
Something quick I put together to think about for possible suspects of Mr. Black
Possible Mr. Black leads
Suspect #1 randombum
-pros bums stink
-cons There are two bums bumatlarge and the aforementioned randombum in the town (therefore this suspect should be dismissed right?)
Suspect #2 Pangolin
-pros
Pangolins can also emit a noxious smelling acid from glands near the anus, similar to the spray of a skunk
wiki link. Goes well with the "stench" of Mr. Black
-cons pretty much everything else that could be a possible clue to Mr. Black goes against Pangolin Day 8's clue of Mr. Black throwing some foul smelling bones would go against the working theory that Pangolin is Mr. Black.
The late Plexa claimed Mr.Brown was indecipherable in speaking link pg.287, but cites Day 3 where Mr.Brown spoke to Fishball. + Show Spoiler +
Coincidentally Fishball had been looking for those darts and was turning around the corner just after it happened. He gasped in shock as he saw the corpse and immediately ran to call for help. He almost there when he saw two mafia in his way. Mr. Pink and Mr. Brown were standing just in front of his phone and as he glanced at it Mr. Brown picked it up and said "oh you want this?" and smashed it on the table breaking it in two. "Sorry we can't have you doing that, allow me to introduce myself I'm Mr. Brown and my quiet friend here is Mr. Pink. We're here to kill you." said Mr. Brown as he pulled a gun out of his coat. Fishball was stricken with fear, he got on his knees and begged for their mercy. Mr. Pink said something to Mr. Brown and instead of shooting Fishball, they viciously beat him till he fell unconscious. Fishball died a few hours later to internal bleeding. link pg.148
So, perhaps Mr. Brown is able to speak? Seems like he is indecipherable when he's yelling, rather than just speaking normally. Also, I've noticed he hasn't appeared since Day 8 and his former killing partner Mr. Pink (presumed to be LTT) went on killing without him; is it possible we may have lynched Mr. Brown and attributed someone else as him? Sorry, I'd keep going with this, but I've run out of time and have to go
Questions -Why aren’t many other townies included, ie: So_no_fek, Fen, and others anywhere? Whether it be confirmed townies, townies in general, or blue roles (which we can conclude by now, that they are not).
-What exactly is the Mafia list suppose to mean? We don’t have 15 mafia pinned down, we have at most 14 (assuming bockit flips red) as of right now. The list also includes 17/18 (depending on how you read the jtan/nemY line) mafia… Can you please make sense of this before you die? Thanks! That’s all for now I think
I've tried to come up with a way to argue everything against me, but there's no way to logically prove my innocence. A few things I'd like to mention...
-Can we trust unsoundlogic's list of potential mafia targets? Obviously a 50/50 chance of hitting a mafia target sounds good, plus you'd eliminate the Showtime! list if I did indeed flip red. Sure Bockit and even 0cz3z make sense, they've been legit suspects; hell i'll go as far to say as myself and jtan have been/are suspects, but [b]ShaLLoW[baY]? That's way out of left field to me. The source is pretty accurate on much of the information, but who exactly is the source? And how can they predict mafia down to the 17th mafia?
-It really makes no sense in trying to lynch anybody from the Showtime! list at this point considering the two possibilties 1) You hit mafia, kill a mafia and we're down to 6 remaining! Alright way to go town! Unfortunately you've also sentenced 7 other town members to their graves as they'd make perfect mafia fodder and 6 of them are (I've seen all of them but CDRdude post recently) fairly active townies.
2) You hit townie (me I'm assuming). Congrats you have narrowed the list down to 1/7 and wasted a lynch. Good job!
I question whether or not jtan is a townie or mafia, but really can't reach any conclusion about it. For starters I question the list, and want to know what [i]exactly]/i] it is that has ppl strung up on whether or not myself or jtan is mafia. Regardless I ask myself what would I do if I was a townie/mafia and it came up to being a ME vs X situation. If I was a townie would I try really hard to vindicate myself? Yeah probably, but I haven't really been doing that. I've been trying to clarify the list itself, because really... it doesn't contain a whole lot of new information and is presented in a somewhat confusing manner. I guess that's the other thing a townie could do in a "ME vs X" situation. I suppose there are more alternatives like "ignore it all together", or "dismiss it as BS"... I dunno. If I were mafia I think my only real option is to try to clear my name and buy myself some more time to do some more killings and make the town waste a lynch. I suppose I could also call the list crap, but I don't think I'd try to refine and clarify the list. That would be helping the town rather than trying to get in the way of it. Of course people can argue that I had this planned out from the start and this is all some clever guise I'm doing, but w/e... guess I just wasted these past 45 minutes typing this shit up lol
Regardless if we follow the list and lynch ShaLLoW[baY] and he does by some miracle turn red then please do lynch me, cuz I fail to see how that fucker connects with any of the remaining mafia suspects
But seriously unsoundlogic tell me before you fucking die, what is it that makes me and jtan so eerily similar that your associate is not sure whether it's him or me as mafia? Lol
Ok ShaLLoW[baY] maybe you are a mafia. The second after Camlito starts inquiring about your quote status he dies? Sounds suspicious to me. Oh wait that's right Camlito's the one who originally provided that mirror=Mr.Blond theory on me guess I should be suspected too
-If for whatever reason Bockit flips blue please look at Wysp as being Mr. Blond alright? I realize he says to have already taken a hit on Night 1 (which would make sense given the Mafia's killing power), but I can't find the post where he specifically says that, and his quote links soooooooooo well to Mr.Blond that I want to believe he is in fact Mr.Blond
edited the post because I can't type blue properly.
OH YEAH AND IF ANYBODY WOULD LIKE TO LINK DAY 13'S MENTIONING OF MR. BLOND "Mr. Blonde shot across the room and grabbed all the notes dumping them into a trash bin nearby. He lit a match and set the whole thing on fire hoping this was the last copy the town had to go off." TO CAMILITO'S MIRROR THEORY PLEASE GO FOR IT. IF YOU CAN REALLY FUCKING DO IT THEN MAYBE I'LL AGREE IT'S COOL AND YOU GUYS CAN LYNCH ME.
So +10 posts from you Nemy without actually saying anything?
Good work.
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In regard to the contradiction... i'm going to go out on a limb here and tentatively suggest that there is only one Mr. Blond... so if say Nemy is evil on the turn (once Bockit turns red on the flop), jtan is good on the river...
-So then tell me, what is it that makes you so sure either jtan or myself are mafia?
-Why are we even debating the Showtime! List when the Mandalor List has many more mafia targets?
Answer me these before you die... because I'm afraid that since you're not on any lists and have no suspicion of being mafia that you'll be dead when Day hits :/
I don't see where Plexa said I was Mr. Blond. If anything he said i was INNOCENT
On May 24 2008 02:01 Plexa wrote: Summary of tonights findings before i sleep;
What me and associate agree on; JimTudor is Mr Black LTT is Mr Pink SpiritOfTheTuna is CottonMouth jtan as mafia nemY is innocent (the clue we were pinning him on is shared by Alventenie ie impossible for the two to be differentiated)
What we disagree on; Randombum vs 0cz3c for CopperHead
Plexa, your assuming mafia are stupid. You take for granted if mafia names someone, he is town, if mafia protects him, he is mafia. This is like poker where you assume if they bet they have a good hand, if they call/check they have a bad hand.
You are ignoring potential deception in which even mediocre mafia players will attempt since this is ultimately an (educated) guessing game. Clazz's posts are particularly suspect because he has been a large candidate for mafia, and his own actions have given him away, almost as if he wants to be caught. (such as clazz's: "I'm mafia") This actually LEADS me to suspect nemy.
This rivalry could have easily been a ploy between two mafia with one of them who would eventually go down protecting the other. Unless nemY has contributed something substantial that I missed then my suspicions will stay on him. (since usually thats how you identify real true townies, I mean mafia don't go handing out other mafia unless they are top suspects anyways.)
I also have suspicions of ninja since he has been a candidate, but its less substantial because clazz and unforgiven both voted him, maybe trying to save unforgiven.
All this is edited out if he flips green. (very unlikely)
Edit: LOL auto underline poker, I never knew
Clazz accused me, plexa defended me, randombum countered plexa and still accused me, randombum died and turned red, plexa died and turned green. Are you thinking what I think you're thinking?
Oh yeah qrs has been suspicious of me and recently nightmare jumped aboard making it confusing for me to tell who on the showtime list is really mafia
GOd how is Cottonmouth still alive? I think the remaining mafia members left are: Eddie Cottonmouth Coppearhead California Mountain Snake The Wolf Mr. Orange & Mr. Blond
Oh yeah btw guys, it's too soon to know for sure, but randombum may have been Eddie :o! Reasoning: Eddie has appeared Day's 1-13, but not on Day 14. We lynched randombum that evening. Eddie did not appear that night which is peculiar to say the least My guess is that it'll be confirmed tonight if Eddie does not reappear and/or if Mr. Black appears again (we previously had randombum pinned down as Mr. Black iirc). If Eddie does appear than this is a moot post.
Guess I'm guaranteed to survive the night. Day comes slow today. . . as it does for pretty much every other day when the mafia doesn't send in a hit list wtf?
On June 22 2008 02:48 suresh0t wrote: Wysp go ahead and explain why you think I should be lynched...I want a write up on me before I die so I can mock you when I flip green.
Normally I wouldn't take sides with Wysp because he thinks/has thought I am/was mafia, but since I'm sure that you, suresh0t are indeed The Wolf
On June 07 2008 01:48 suresh0t wrote: And I still don't agree with the Bockit lynch fully. I mean the clue is decent, but it is also a stretch at the same time. As far as the L thing is concerned, I think mafia know by now that if they stand up for someone they are mostly likely dooming them. Hence why I think L knew that even if he tried to explain how they came across this list, Bockit was dead either way.
Scenerio A: No one says anything to defend Bockit (obviously townies can't say anything because they don't know how mafia came across list) and we lynch him suspecting he used his admin powers.
Scenerio B (current): Dead mafia (obviously alive mafia aren't going to say anything) comes forward with origin of the list and how they came across it, casting possibly even more suspicion on Bockit than he had before because now a known dead mafia is "trying" to clear a "townie".
I'm sure L knew Bockit wasn't going to get pardoned by the town after he stood up for him. Which doesn't necessarily mean he isn't mafia, but at the same time I don't think it means he is.
As far as Ace thinking that Bockit lied about being a Vet, I have no comment on that obviously because I'm not in the inner circle. I'm just trying to rationalize killing Bockit on just clues and at this point one account of a mafia member using a weapon that could be construed as Bockit's profile pic, and that's all. I don't know any other clue pointing at him.
But as always I'll go with the town, and if he flips red then I will probably be suspected, but it is a risk I take because right now we can't afford to lynch greens, and even more so we can't lynch our Vets!
other evidence: Please show me ONCE, that's right ONE TIME where The Wolf has straight up missed his target. Whether it be gunfire, nail throwing, shovel beating, WHATEVER IT IS. Show it!
jtan: that's retarded logic, the vote blog was up for 3 hours and 9 minutes before I cast a vote. SORRY FOR THROWING THE FIRST STONE.
Wysp: ahara_ said that on page 308
On June 11 2008 13:39 ahrara_ wrote: when I am the last mafia lynched I am going to laugh
What I would like to know is what HotZhot meant by this:
On June 01 2008 04:42 BuGzlToOnl wrote: Now that the mayor is dead can we elect a new one or do we live without mayor? :p
the pardoner functions like one and we are gonna depend on him now, btw how come mr blonde is still alive? i've been saying the past 11 days or so
A final note would be, if you're reading this thread STOP READING AND START VOTING. I may dislike suresh0t because he's mafia scum, but I would agree with him that it'd be lame if he (or anyone else) were to be lynched with say, 4 votes. All you people abstaining are doing NOTHING TO HELP OUT. At this point it doesn't matter if you're mafia, townie, vet, hell even undead (ok that matters)... you get the point. Vote!
suresh0t, your defense is so horrible reading it makes my eyes bleed:
PLEXA SAID I'M INNOCENT:
Good for you, Plexa said the same thing about me too, yet you still point the finger at me.
RANDOM PEOPLE THOUGHT I WAS "X" "Y" OR "Z" MAFIA, YET OBVIOUSLY THEY ARE WRONG
Wow that's great. People have said the same thing about me too; YET you still point the finger at me.
MAFIA PEOPLE SUSPECTED ME LIKE NINJA4EVER
I looked at the voting histories in Chuiu's blog. There has never been a single(THAT MEANS 0) mafia member that has voted to try and lynch you (I'm basing this off of confirmed dead mafias, not people who are suspects, or people you SUSPECT like me).
THE CLUES ARE SPREAD BETWEEN "X" AND "Y" MAFIA
No they aren't. Someone posted a pile of shit that you've been clinging to as a defense; everybody else dismissed it and moved on. Everybody, except you (and maybe that someone I guess lol)
I'M GOING TO FIND A BETTER MORE LIKELY PERSON TO LYNCH
No. You. Didn't. You just bandwagoned me, which is I guess the best option you could do in this situation. It's too late for you to introduce someone new as a suspect so you fell back on me. Gratz, you didn't post anything new and made the lame excuse of "everything's already been posted before".
In the end though none of this makes me nearly as frustrated as the inactives in this game. Seriously it pisses me off that we have victory in our grasps, but the threat of defeat looms so ominously close by because of fucking inactives.
ALL YOU HATERS SAYING I'M MAFIA ( JTAN, QRS (LOL YOU'RE SO FUCKING RETARDED, SAYING SURESH0T IS MAFIA AND VOTING FOR ME LOL), BUGZ, AND OF COURSE SURESH0T) CAN SUCK MY FUCKING DICK.
-I like the str --> Mr. Orange connection with the exception that it doesn't really explain Mr. Orange's inability or lack of desire to talk
-I dunno about the CDRDude --> ??? mafia connection. Yeah he's on the Showtime! List, but his inactivity throughout most of the middle-end seems... I dunno just not mafiaish I guess. Besides I haven't seen anything that could really match "CDR" or "Dude".
-qrs, I'd argue the information you've brought up, but as you said most of it is circumstantial. I'll concede that the Mr. Blond/Cottonmouth kill does look awfully suspicious of me, but that's one days worth of clues. The suspicious behavior part I find ridiculous and hypocritical, but given that this game is drawing to an end, I suppose most everyone, but Wysp's posts could be deemed "suspicious" :/
-On a final note, I think jtan is mafia. His reason for voting to lynch me is weak, and he still hasn't addressed the points I made way back on page 301
On June 05 2008 14:41 nemY wrote: Dispute this then.
Ok going through profiles, the only mirror i see is nemY
NEMY I KNEW IT
Yeah sure he came up with some lame excuse that clazz was trying to cover me (given clazz's behavior throughout most the game, I'd say that's highly unlikely), but he never addressed why RANDOMBUM (now a confirmed mafioso) would accuse me. Might as well tally up suresh0t to that list. Could add L, but I suppose that's beating the bush, besides he said he voted to lynch me for "giggles". Reverse this situation, WHOSE been mafia that's voted for jtan? Answer? None. He's been suspected, but nothing ever concrete came up of it.
From my view of things, it looks like jtan was trying to split yesterday's lynch vote... therefore he's highly suspicious to me. Then again, what have I ever said that's been taking seriously?
Day 1 He jumped through the opening towards the door and was almost home free when he was cut off by Mr. Blonde, coming out of nowhere it seemed. He rammed into DapperDan knocking him to the ground. King Brown Snake stepped up to him as DapperDan started getting up. He met him face to face halfway and pushed King Brown Snake out of the way as he proceeded to the door again. He almost made it out until finally someone pumped DapperDan's back full of lead
-displays superhuman speed -rammed into his target -possibly? Killed target. Day 2 Evening seemed to drag on forever as everyone worried over the turn of events the town faced. But when night finally came, the red moon stared them back in the face like a terrifying omen. Nobody knew how or when the mafia would strike, or what their real intentions were if any, but a few were up late losing sleep over it. Over at casa Mynock he was frying himself a late night snack and watching a rerun of the news from earlier that night. He turned around to get something from his fridge when he noticed the lights out in his living room. With great care he crept into the room and searched for the lamp. It was moved onto the table in the center of the room. He switched it on to reveal the man known as Mr. Blonde. Mr. Blonde had braced himself on the ceiling and swooped down from above diving straight into Mynock. As they fell to the ground Mynock struggled to get away, he bashed Mr. Blonde in the face with his elbow as he turned to the right and climbed up only to meet gaze with Mr. Brown. They traded glares and Mynock dodged to the left and headed up his stairs not clearly deciphering the yells that came from behind him or caring. He tried to find the shotgun he had stashed in his closet but only found a smiley in its place. He panicked as he realized his only line of defense against two men was gone and he just about surrendered as Mr. Blonde appeared in the room with the shotgun, Mr. Brown just behind him. He dived toward Mr. Blonde in effort to tackle him but Mynock's attack was cut short as he ate a mouthful of buckshot. -came down from ceiling -was bashed in the face by target -target went to look for his shotgun but found only a smiley “” face in it’s place -eliminates target with shotgun before target could reach him
Day 5 Mr. Blonde and Mr. White got out of their car, the rest of their hit squad parked on the other side of the building. They had arrived at an office building where they noticed a group of people always worked late. Sure enough there were some cars parked around them. "When is d.arkive supposed to do it?" asked Mr. White, as he leaned against the car and stared at the building in expectation. "I don't know, they just said to wait for their signal" responded Mr. Blonde as he walked a bit closer to the building to get a better look. He could see d.arkive running through some corridors looking for someone, anyone. He found Hittegods. d.arkive ran towards Hittegods as he was examining some photos and hit a button. An explosion ripped apart nearly half of the building and it sent everyone outside ducking for cover as debris flew all over. "Holy shit! I guess we're supposed to go in and find the rest of them now?" said Mr. Blonde after dodging what was left of a door that flew at him. "I don't think we have to" said Mr. White as he pointed at some people getting out of the good half of what was left of the building.
They decided on the first person they saw, xDark.Carnivalx. Mr. Blonde jetted towards him and knocked him to the ground with a punch square in the jaw. xDark.Carnivalx was dazed and still disoriented and shocked from the explosion, but he managed to stumble to his feet only to get kicked down again. The adrenaline was rushing but xDark.Carnivalx was getting frustrated, he looked around for something to use as a weapon and found a shattered pipe. He grabbed it and swung at Mr. Blonde, forcing him to back off and provide time for xDark.Carnivalx to get off the ground. But just as soon as he did Mr. White smashed another pipe laying around in the back of xDark.Carnivalx's head. Another couple blows and xDark.Carnivalx was dead.
-can talk -dodges the remains of a flying door -“jets” to his target, again with the super speed -soundly hits his target twice (one punch, one kick) -retreats when his target wields a weapon
Day 7 G.s)NarutO was doing monk things in his monk place with his monk friends when he decided it was late and he wanted to go to sleep. On the way to his room he encountered Mr. Blonde. Mr. Blonde mocked G.s)NarutO for his failed attempts at helping the town and then pulled out a gun to kill him. G.s)NarutO wasn't ready to give up on life completely though and thought he could redeem himself by taking out this man for the town. He charged towards Mr. Blonde and tried to grab his gun but Mr. Blonde was a bit faster to respond and shot him twice in the leg. He finished it by shooting G.s)NarutO in the head and made his escape through a window before getting caught by a horde of monks.
-mocks his target for his failures -wields a gun -again with the speed, he dodges his target’s attack and injures his target -eliminates his target with a gunshot to the head
Day 9
Mr. Blonde and Cottonmouth were at AmorVincitOmnia's convenience store right before closing. They wanted everyones attention right away so Mr. Blonde charged through the front door, a move that shattered all the windows. Inside AmorVincitOmnia was cashing Alventenie's purchase and they both immediately looked at Mr. Blonde shocked at what just happened. Both Mr. Blonde and Cottonmouth ran towards them and stabbed each of them through the shoulders with a knife. Mr. Blonde had AmorVincitOmnia pinned up against a wall and Cottonmouth had Alventenie on another. AmorVincitOmnia pushed and shoved and tried to get free but Mr. Blonde stabbed three more knives into each arm and three into each leg. Then to finish him off he stabbed two more into AmorVincitOmnia's chest. Alventenie already exhausted from the day he had put up little resistance as Cottonmouth stabbed three knives in his other arm and each leg. Then stabbed five more in the shape of a pentagon and finally killed off Alventenie.
-charges through the front door, which ends up shattering all the nearby/surrounding windows (assuming this is a convenience store with many windows) -stabs his target with 15 knifes, 3 in each arm, 3 in each leg, 2 in the chest, and 1 in the original location where he first stabbed his target (3x4)+2+1 = 15 -does not match Cottonmouth’s killing pattern (aside from the 15 knifes, Cottonmouth went 1 in the shoulder, 3 in one arm, 3 in both legs (which is 1+(3x3) = 10), and finished his target with 5 (in the shape of a pentagram) in his target’s chest (15 knifes total)
Day 13 Losing two members that day the mafia decided to pull all the stops and hit the town where it mattered. They were through messing around and Mr. Orange, Eddie, and Mr. Blonde were about to prove that by taking out Fanatacist and Ace once and for all. Ace and Fanatacist were sitting at a desk going over detective files trying to find the remaining few mafia when the three barged into the room. Ace quickly grabbed the phone to call for backup but it was too late as Mr. Orange had landed a dagger right on the phone line cutting him off. Mr. Blonde shot across the room and grabbed all the notes dumping them into a trash bin nearby. He lit a match and set the whole thing on fire hoping this was the last copy the town had to go off. Mr. Orange, Mr. Blonde and Eddie all got out pistols and fired round after round at Ace and Fanatacist who were helpless to stop them. Eddie went up to Ace and he was terrified as Eddie finished him off but firing one last round into his head.
-again with the speed, Mr. Blonde “shoots” across the room -burns the town’s notes -pulls out a pistol and finishes the two targets with the combined help from Eddie, and Mr. Orange
Day 15] Cottonmouth organized a strike force of mafia to take on a few troublesome townies who had the tendency to keep watches at night. With three mafia it would be sufficient enough to take on three regular joes. So he, along with the Wolf and Mr. Blonde, went to Jimtudor's house and broke in. This automatically set off their home made alarm system and the mafia squelched it right after but the damage was done and they were alerted to mafia presence. Supah, Alethios, and Jimtudor got ready with their handmade weapons, aware that most of the time Mafia did not carry weapons favoring to kill without alerting the neighborhood to their presence. Cottonmouth expecting more trouble went back to his car and handed five plumbata's to each of his comrades. Prepared for the fight to come they burst through the basement door and each threw one at their targets. Two missed and one hit a garbage can lid that Supah was using as a shield. The townies made their counter attack, the stairs leading down to the basement collapsed and the mafia came crashing down hard stunning and injuring them. Not enough though as they were able to ward off the crude melee weapons the town had fashioned from a yard rake, a baseball bat, and a broken chain. Mr. Blonde was able to grab a hold of the yard rake Supah was using and kicked it to break it in half, the Wolf grabbed hold of the chain and pulled it out of Jimtudor's hand then flung it to the side and tossed one of his remaining darts in his shoulder, and Cottonmouth deflected Alethios baseball bat and stabbed him in the foot with a dart. Mr. Blonde threw two plumbata's at Supah and then used the broken off rake handle and stabbed him with it, he then finished off Supah by stabbing a dart into his face. The Wolf lunged for the chain and wrapped it around Jimtudor's leg, then he pulled hard and caused him to fall to the ground. Cottonmouth finished off Alethios by stabbing the rest of the darts into his chest. And the three ganged up on Jimtudor and plunged their remaining darts into his face.
-trips the alarm system (well all 3 of them do) -throws a plumbata but misses all 3 of the targets -grabs hold of the yard rake his target was using and breaks it in half by kicking it (possibly requiring some speed/force/strength to do this, it’s hard to recreate an accurate visual in my mind of this scene) -distracts his target by throwing two plumbata’s into at his target and then uses the broken yard rake to stab his target -finishes his target by stabbing him in the face with a plumbata -assists his other two mafia members in eliminating the final target when they all stab the remaining darts into the target’s face
Day 17 In the dark shed in ShaLLoW[baY]'s backyard Mr. Blonde gleefully waiting in silence clutching his weapon. ShaLLoW[baY] made his way to the shed slowly inspecting his petunias after the storm had passed. He was shocked to say the least when he opened the door. Mr. Blonde swatting ShaLLoW[baY] with the front end of the yard tool causing him to stumble backward into a trap Mr. Blonde had set of several nails on the ground. Having punctured his foot on a rather rusty one ShaLLoW[baY] began hopping frantically trying to pry the devil from his foot as he screamed in pain. Mr. Blonde used this opportunity to maneuver himself behind his victim and he killed ShaLLoW[baY] in one swift vengeful blow by shoving the rake up his ass.
-“gleefully” waits for his target with his weapon -sets a trap for his target -smacks his target with a yard rake causing his target to fall back onto some rusty nails (the trap) -eliminates his target by raping him with the rake -kills his target with a “swift vengeful blow” (rape raking), again with the speed and power
My suspect for Mr. Blonde = HotZhot
Why? For a number of reasons
-claims to have known who the true Mr. Blonde is, but has revealed 0 relevant information -his profile picture comes from an anime, most notably a hentai that GranDim found out on page 184
The Wolf and Taipan Snake had followed his near suicidal jump and were on him quick. Taipan Snake automatically knocked him to the ground and proceeded to kick him, being unarmed at the time. The Wolf approached "Sorry Chuiu, I gotta do this I hope you understand" as he pulled out a gun and made his mark on Chuiu's head.
The Wolf interrupted him. "You just need to hit the right spot" he said as he threw the nail down the hallway, it landed square in the back of New104's head and he convulsed as he dropped to the ground, dying less then a minute later.
Traits - One shot kill - targets the head
HotZhot is my primary suspect here. Notably because he has such good aim and whatnot. However, i am hesitant to convict him at this stage because of this;
His profile image looks like a wolf person - this means (imo) that he cannot be the character "The Wolf" with such a strong connection to the name. Up to the town i guess!
More on the picture Its a crop from this wallpaper The character is from a hentai series http://www.animenfo.com/animetitle,1524,rfykgv,maho_shojo_ai.html (work safe link). However I doubt this has much relevance, unless chuiu is heavily into anime wallpapers or hentai he couldn't have made that link.
most specifically if you read the link you'll notice this,
Yuragi noticed Akitoshi and began to attack him. Then, the fighter, Ai, appeared and cut them down.
the fighter comes out of nowhere and eliminates the target, this I feel bodes well with the whole theme of Mr. Blonde displaying superhuman speed.
-his name, HotZhot which can be interpreted to mean "Hot Shot" fits well with the Day 7 and 9 killings, why? Because people who are "Hot Shots" are generally stuck up and full of themselves + Show Spoiler +
consider that with Mr. Blonde's mocking of Naruto and his desire to "get everyone's attention in the double murder or Amor and Alvientene"
-the "i only smile in the dark" connects well with Day 2's killing of Mynock and Day 17's killing of Shallow[bay] (gleefully --> smiling in the dark)
-the raping of shallow[bay] connects very well with the overall hentai theme of his profile picture ;/
Flaws
Looking back on it, the smiley face in Day 2 was almost certainly Clazzaquai's doing, his profile quote was something like "me from kirbati, no speak english^^';" As most everyone on here knows, "^^;" is a korean/anime face for smiling =/
Conclusion
Regardless how you guys feel about this, I think it's safe to say the mirror theory is flawed. Mr. Blonde has yet to directly mirror anyone's actions. I'm still working on a few other viable leads =/
Figuring out who the remaining mafia are is also proving to be quite difficult, obviously there are 3 mafia who participated in last night's killings, but the fourth mafia has been laying low for quite a while. Anyways here I go.
Remaining Mafia!!!
Mr. Orange Mr. Blond Cottonmouth ?
Clazziquai was Mr. Brown Ieatkids5 was Mr. White Randombum was Eddie Unforgiven_ve was Joe LTT was Mr. Pink BlindAlbino was Black Mamba Mandalor was Snake Charmer 0cz3z was Copperhead Bockit was California Mountain Snake Queasy was Sidewinder SoTT is currently presumed to be Mr. Black Crazie-penguin was King Brown Snake d.arkive was Taipan Snake Evilmonkey was Mr. Red L was Enigma Suresh0t is presumed to be The Wolf
So this leaves only one remaining Mafia member… Mr. Blue!
Character Traits:
Mr. Orange -mute/does not talk -multiple instances of him involved with phones/lights/electrical equipment -kill style varies, but multiple instances of him stabbing somebody
Mr. Blond -displays incredible speed -possible mirror theory (but I find that only really matches… for what maybe two? days?) -not likely to be ninjas due to the lack of subtlety in more recent kills
Cottonmouth -magic #15 -use of darts, nails, plumbatas?, knifes… almost anything that matches with the # 15 -has been known to dress somewhat irregular
Mr ? Blue ? -multiple use of machines (chainsaws, car crushers, buzzsaws) -extremely varied style of killing, bordering on psychotic, as well as downright ridiculous (he killed fusionsdf with an umbrella tip) -if it was NOT Mr. Blue who appeared on Day 16’s killing then it is likely that Mr. Blue is dead and there are some serious flaws in the list. For now though I’m tentatively pinning Mr. Blue as the killer of rpf in Day 16, since we have yet to find a concrete suspect.
-The Mr. Black = SoTT situation. I’m basing this decision solely off the fact that Mr. Black reeked like hell, and Tunas have a particular odor to them. It’s a weak connection, but it’s all I’ve got working for me. If you guys can connect SoTT to someone else that’d be great. Obviously he was not Cottonmouth. Mr. Black has not made a direct appearance ONCE since SoTT’s lynching. By the same accord, neither has Mr. Blue, although it’s hard to tell who killed rpf on Day 16 (was it suresh0t?) -If there are any mistakes (say for whatever reason Eddie reappears and starts gunning down people again), then this list will be reanalyzed and reevaluated.
I fear this list may be flawed, as the Mr. Blue connection is extremely weak, any help here is appreciated (even you qrs).
Finally for now, I'm going to bring up a PM Alethios sent me shortly before he died. He and I had disagreements about who exactly were which mafia characters, but this is his list of remaining mafia targets:
Putting together everything I know, i've come up with a list for the remaining mafia. I'm going to have to ask you to trust me on this one actually.
4. HotZhot <- not 6 7. Dr.Dragoon 9. So no fek 10. Fen 22. infinity21 <- not 6 29. SiZ.FaNtAsY <- not 6 33. Amber[LighT] 37. fgsvsd 38. KF91 40. MasterOfChaos 47. Kuja900 64. KorvspaD 72. Ziel 74. Supah 76. jtan <- not 6 101. RowdierBob 106. BuGzlToOnl 113. DTDominion
2 are mafia.
obviously #1 and #2 came out dead on accurate, but I think we can all agree that the town had a general consensus about 0cz3z and suresh0t
Alethios believed Eddie to be Bockit, randombum to be Mr. Black, and that Cottonmouth Snake was still alive (hence infundlibum being next to the chopping block in his list). This would put SoTT as Mr. Blue... I think. He never directly said it, it has to be implied. The reason I'm bringing all this information up (and yes mafia Alethios did actually send me this pm before he died)? Because seriously we townies have very little going for us right now in the terms of detective work =/ Aside from qrs (who is dead set against me), Wysp (who spends most of his time arguing against qrs) and whoever is Wysp's associate(s). I don't really fear being lynched given as how I am probably the top target off the Showtime! List, and because... the mafia would be pretty friggin' retarded to lessen the Showtime! List lol.
Last note... the suspect from the Showtime! List is most likely to be on the Mandalor List as well, seeing as how there are only 5 people remaining and 4 of them are on the Mandalor List lol
Obviously I can't unconvince you of your mistakes qrs, but please do take a second to analyze my information ok? I never said that BWdero was not mafia, I merely pointed out the fact that Chuiu is unlikely to use information that appears in multiple characters. You say there are no clues related to his name? How about just "Dero" then seeing as how BW can easily be interpreted as "Brood Wars"?
I poured over this content already and found nothing that could specifically tie Cottonmouth to BWdero. It should be noted in one post that Cottonmouth was dressed "shabbily"... another clue I see as baring no connection to BWdero. Regardless of this, I don't discount him given the plethora of circumstantial evidence mounted against him, I just feel there are stronger suspects at the moment... mainly Scorch as Mr. Blond (which once again no one has yet to comment on )
My apologies for being a dick to you earlier qrs. Perhaps you can explain your reasoning to me and everyone else as to why you are so sure I'm Mr. Blonde. I'd really like to get this settled once and for all. I'll try to address all your points for me being Mr. Blonde (and I'll try as much as possible not to antagonize you in the process)
from page 317
On June 26 2008 23:48 qrs wrote:
In terms of actual clues, the main piece of evidence is Camlito's connection of Mr. Blonde to a mirror (link). Not all of it was compelling, but I found this one pretty convincing: Show nested quote + Camlito wrote: Clue 5: Mr. Blonde and Cottonmouth were at AmorVincitOmnia's convenience store right before closing. They wanted everyones attention right away so Mr. Blonde charged through the front door, a move that shattered all the windows. Inside AmorVincitOmnia was cashing Alventenie's purchase and they both immediately looked at Mr. Blonde shocked at what just happened. Both Mr. Blonde and Cottonmouth ran towards them and stabbed each of them through the shoulders with a knife. Mr. Blonde had AmorVincitOmnia pinned up against a wall and Cottonmouth had Alventenie on another. AmorVincitOmnia pushed and shoved and tried to get free but Mr. Blonde stabbed three more knives into each arm and three into each leg. Then to finish him off he stabbed two more into AmorVincitOmnia's chest. Alventenie already exhausted from the day he had put up little resistance as Cottonmouth stabbed three knives in his other arm and each leg. Then stabbed five more in the shape of a pentagon and finally killed off Alventenie.
Ok this one is too obvious, they are mirroring each others' movements and style as if it's planned out. Specifically, Cottonmouth has been the only one killing with 15 weapons a night--until Mr. Blonde shows up with him.
-While from an initial look through it, it does look suspicious given the mirror theory, but really look at it... Mr. Blonde and Cottonmouth kill their targets with 15 knives a piece, but place them in different places in their targets (Cottonmouth carves a Pentagram into his target... possible lead there eh? dunno who though). Mr. Blonde simply follows a set pattern.
-Mr. Blonde charges through the convenience store door smashing it and the surrounding windows. I'm assuming it's a glass door he charged through it, smashed it, and well it's a convenience store right? I don't see how or where that connects anywhere to my profile
To that, I'll add a weaker clue: Mr. Blonde's whole "out of nowhere" theme that some were connecting with Ninja early on may connect with nemY's profile quote ("~But I don't know where you are now~").
-I don't buy this as a clue for two reasons. One, the connection with the actual statement is sorely misaligned. I forget the term for this, but the connection is surely out of line. "But I don't know where you are now" != "out of nowhere" does it? -second of all... that quote wasn't in my profile when the game originally started. Read araav's post on page 20 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=67925¤tpage=20 and you'll see quite plainly that the quote was not there. Would Chuiu start adding information about mafia depending on how they edit their profile as the game goes on? Debatable, I don't really know, but it doesn't matter since the first set of mafia kills were on page 18, where Mr. Blonde makes an appearance... coming out of nowhere! Unless you find something that really links my profile quote with Mr. Blonde's theme I would disregard it.
Circumstantial evidence: Camlito was killed soon after he presented his nemY theory. We know that the Mafia likes to kill the good clue-analysts (for good reason). Was Camlito getting too close to the truth?
Circumstantial is the key here. People have fingered me as mafia and ended up dying shortly there after (Camlito did, Alethios did... although he was joking I know that), people have fingered me as mafia and ended up not dying shortly thereafter, but nonetheless are dead now (Plexa, MTF, a few others I'm sure), people have fingered me as mafia and are still alive today (you (qrs), jtan, BuGz if you want to count him I guess), and many now confirmed mafia have fingered me as mafia (clazz, randombum, suresh0t... I suppose you could count L voting for me as pointing me out, but I don't really buy it). You're stubbornness here appears to be making you miss the bigger picture.
And finally, this wouldn't hold up in a court of law, but I just find nemY's posts suspicious. I know that he and suresh0t were at each other's throats near the end, but IMO that was just a desperate Mafia ploy. Split the camps, like Jacob in the Bible: And it shall be that if the townies fall upon one mafioso and smite him that the other mafioso shall be for a remnant.
-Like I've said before, the same thing applies to you. Hell people have been suspecting you via your posting for who knows how long. Most people's posting at this point seems somewhat suspicious and having a double meaning at this point =/. You claim that suresh0t and I were doing some sort of desperate mafia ploy, but I've known suresh0t was mafia for a long time now (I voted for him on days 9 and 10... you should know this given that you voted for him too on day 10). Wanna know why I voted for suresh0t and clazz back then? Read about it on page 267. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=67925¤tpage=267 Like you know, it's been frustrating to get support to lynch suresh0t... but once I was able to I PUSHED FOR IT LIKE A MOFO
On June 28 2008 17:25 nemY wrote: Expect a post from qrs soon about how ShaLLoW[baY]'s death is a mirror reversal of Bockit's lynching.
I feel so...predictable.
edit: just because nemY points it out doesn't mean it isn't true. It is a mirror kill. Think about that.
Once again this falls under the same thing as the Mr. Blonde / Cottonmouth killing. The general conclusion would be that this is another mirror killing, but really look at the details.
In the dark shed in ShaLLoW[baY]'s backyard Mr. Blonde gleefully waiting in silence clutching his weapon
-nothing of glee, hope, happiness, even smiling can be connected to my profile
Mr. Blonde swatting ShaLLoW[baY] with the front end of the yard tool causing him to stumble backward into a trap Mr. Blonde had set of several nails on the ground. Having punctured his foot on a rather rusty one ShaLLoW[baY] began hopping frantically trying to pry the devil from his foot as he screamed in pain
-I don't recall any of this happening in the lynch/raping of Bockit
Mr. Blonde used this opportunity to maneuver himself behind his victim and he killed ShaLLoW[baY] in one swift vengeful blow by shoving the rake up his ass.
-every townie raped Bockit with the rake, hence multiple... rapings lol; there is only one rape here, and it's the true Mr. Blonde (HotZhot) raping ShaLLoW[baY]
One more thing to consider, I don't see how Days 1, 2, 5, 7, 13, 15, and 16 connect with the whole mirror theory. I think I may have mentioned Day 13 as possibly being connected, but even that connection seems weak.
Wow sorry I was going to keep going, but I'ma sleep for now. I'll continue this later.
One final thing to consider...
On May 08 2008 04:40 HotZhot wrote: That mr.blonde sure is one though individual, just won't die. Come on Ace, Plexa who to vote for? stupid finals
3) You say that when the phrase "out of nowhere" appeared, you didn't have "I don't know where you are now" in your profile. Maybe that's true, but we only have your word for it. The post from araav's that you point to only lists profile information including signatures, but not the "public profile".
Really? So far a stubborn townie and a probable mafia candidate voting for me?
Anyways, I'll vote to lynch BWdero.
He will turn up red, I actually believe you (qrs) on this one, and I encourage you to change your vote. HotZhot is Mr. Blonde without a doubt. Haste and arrogance fit him oh so well.
Why do I get the feeling that the people advocating replacing the inactive townies with fresh people are townies themselves, but the people against this idea are the mafia?
On July 09 2008 08:54 randombum wrote: Showtime, many of the other dead posts do not effect the current game, your posts however do. Not to mention they are usually offensive. For example you said something along the lines of
"Man the town is really f'n up for voting nemy"
That alone should ban you from talking in this game seeing as that could have potentially change votes. Whether accidental or not, your comments may effect the rest of this game unlike the dead who posted before you.
Obviously it didn't matter in the end now did it?
Looking at it now, I don't see how replacing inactive townies with active townies could ever work, unless you replaced mafia candidates as well which would probably fuck up everything. I mean think about it, you replace inactive townies with active ones... you're essentially saying, oh hey player x, y, and z weren't mafia, so obviously their replacements can't be mafia. Given the current number of players remaining (28, soon to be 25 I figure), you're essentially cutting down the possible mafia list to maybe say... 8 people (assuming you replace everyone that's inactive). If you replace mafioso people with new mafiosos then you'd have to write up a new set of clues and essentially be starting from scratch with the new mafiosos.
Gee I wonder who the last mafioso is? This is a tough call, good luck town! Hopefully Wysp and co can come up with compelling evidence to lynch ahara_ LOL.
On August 05 2008 02:32 Ace wrote: thats an INCREDIBLY LONG story that would take forever. I forgot a lot of what happened and it would take multiple people to do it justice.
Quick breakdown from my P.O.V.
The beginning was myself and Ghar talking a lot of strategy. This was why I was defending Ghar so much early in the game.
Caller and Lenwe were a major help with figuring things out. Once we realized we could trust Empyrean him and the other detectives were great.
Showtime! was cool, I purposely didn't even say much to stop him from being bad because everyone on the inside knew Showtime! would live, and we all were sure he was innocent. HE wasn't too bad at clue breakdowns either.
Plexa came to me after I was silent for a few days. Then Camlito came around. When we all died and Hotzhot became a prime suspect I thought about that mirror stuff and called it on hotzhot. If you look at the "z" as the axis and think of a 2-sided mirror you realize what hotzhot looks like
I left out a ton but I'll eventually remember more.
Oh cool. From what I know about the latter part of the game after you guys all died, Alethios, Scorch myself, and Wysp formed a committee designed to hunt out remaining mafiosos. We didn't really find any new mafiosos persay, but we did manage to get most of the remaining people you guys had suspicions about lynched.
On August 07 2008 06:50 Ninja4ever. wrote: See guys, i wasn't mafia. The good thing when you're suspect is that you're sure mafia won't lynch you. (You might be lynched yourself though, but that's another problem)