By announcing it right now, choosing me is less likely to end up with a mafia mayor than someone who runs for mayor after roles are assigned.
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By announcing it right now, choosing me is less likely to end up with a mafia mayor than someone who runs for mayor after roles are assigned. VOTE FOR ME(When the time comes) | ||
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On March 13 2008 15:14 aZnvaLiaNce wrote: Show nested quote + On March 13 2008 15:05 GeneralStan wrote: On March 13 2008 15:04 fusionsdf wrote: Note: I will be running for mayor regardless of my assignment later on. By announcing it right now, choosing me is less likely to end up with a mafia mayor than someone who runs for mayor after roles are assigned. VOTE FOR ME(When the time comes) This is the most nonsensical argument I've ever heard qft because mafia will want to be mayor obviously. so if 1/7 people are mafia, right now, by electing me when my behavior is both known and independant of role, there would be 6/7 chance that Im a townie. After the roles are assigned and mafia start gunning for office, it much more likely that a candidate will be from the mafia. | ||
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The mayor should be a person who can think independently, follow clues, is dedicated and able to use the role wisely. As the first person to make a profile list in the last game, along with all the other clue research me and plexa did, I think I make an excellent candidate. I suggest every other person running for office, do the same as I do and announce their intentions now. Everyone who doesn't might be doing it for mafia motives. | ||
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On March 13 2008 15:48 qrs wrote: Show nested quote + On March 13 2008 15:20 fusionsdf wrote: On March 13 2008 15:14 aZnvaLiaNce wrote: On March 13 2008 15:05 GeneralStan wrote: On March 13 2008 15:04 fusionsdf wrote: Note: I will be running for mayor regardless of my assignment later on. By announcing it right now, choosing me is less likely to end up with a mafia mayor than someone who runs for mayor after roles are assigned. VOTE FOR ME(When the time comes) This is the most nonsensical argument I've ever heard qft because mafia will want to be mayor obviously. so if 1/7 people are mafia, right now, by electing me when my behavior is both known and independant of role, there would be 6/7 chance that Im a townie. After the roles are assigned and mafia start gunning for office, it much more likely that a candidate will be from the mafia. You're assuming that a higher percentage of Mafia than of townies will run for mayor, which is not necessarily true, and wasn't, in the last game. its a smart mafia strategy.....mayor is an extremely valuable position for a mafioso to hold I don't expect them to dodge it twice Once the game starts, you'll have to ask yourself if every candidate is applying to further mafia goals. But anyone who declares themselves known is free from ulterior motives. Plus, I'll wear these cool elky-style sunglasses when I post | ||
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On March 13 2008 15:57 qrs wrote: What do you expect?--be precise. That one mafioso will run for Mayor? Two? All of them? I agree with you that it's a smart strategy to have a Mafia candidate. It's not necessarily smart for the Mafia to have multiple candidates--in fact, I think that's a bad idea for a number of reasons. Townies will not have the same compunctions about multiple candidates. If a smaller fraction of the Mafia than of the townies runs for Mayor, then you've given us a reason not to vote for you. I expect them to field 1 or 2 candidates. It would be fairly easy for them to subtly influence the vote. 5 coordinated votes, properly timed, could be enough to secure the proper mafia candidate. It would be a huge bonus: the instant lynch, the prospect of mafia-timed double lynches, and would have minimal risk to the mafia as a whole. An optimal strategy would be for the mafia to field a whole bunch of candidates. Through coordination, it would only take 2 or 3 voters to push a candidate from no-name to front runner. It would be subtle, and hard to determine if it had occurred. And it would implicate such a small fraction of the mafia that the signal would effectively be lost in the noise. Even if the mayor came under suspicion, it would be impossible to trace that suspicion back to other mafia amid all the scattered towny votes. In such a system, unless a townie has a cult of personality, he would be unlikely to have more than one vote for him. Further not everyone playing has proved their deductive abilities. It would be worse than useless to pick a mayor with no game sense. My dedication to the last game, and the fact that me and plexa found proper suspects, such as empyrean, zdd and unforgiven almost a month before the mainstream players shows that I would be extremely valuable in interpreting clues. If I'm not mayor, that usefulness will probably lead to my death in the first round. I don't intend to hold back my interpretations no matter the result, but if I can only work off one night of clues before the mafia kills me, then I can't contribute. I can make Liquidia safe again! | ||
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On March 13 2008 16:51 nemY wrote: Show nested quote + On March 13 2008 15:04 fusionsdf wrote: Note: I will be running for mayor regardless of my assignment later on. By announcing it right now, choosing me is less likely to end up with a mafia mayor than someone who runs for mayor after roles are assigned. VOTE FOR ME(When the time comes) I VOTE FOR FUNSIONSDF to be lynched right now for starting his mayoral campaign before the game has even started. I'm like barack obama camping out Iowa | ||
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that makes no sense lol Obviously there is a chance any of us could end up being mafia.....but its like a 1/7 chance lol thats a lot better odds than anyone else | ||
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On March 15 2008 00:33 Falcynn wrote: Show nested quote + You're breaking my balls man.On March 15 2008 00:25 nemY wrote: On March 15 2008 00:17 Falcynn wrote: On March 14 2008 22:03 BWdero wrote: Just make sure you're active >.>Yes a new mafia game, and i'm in this time! This is gonna do wonders for my post count. Edit: and reading all of the new posts...how the hell are you guys accusing people of being mafia now? With the people who have already declared their candidacy, yes there's a good chance all of them will be chosen as mafia, but there's just as good a chance that all will be townies...It's all luck at this point, no matter how shady someone might be acting. Obviously the mafia would like one of their own as mayor, but if you take the fact that mafia still kicked our ass last game and the fact that even Chuiu himself (I"m pretty sure it was Chuiu, could've been Dapperdan) said that in all his games he's never seen a mafia mayor. Then you can see that's it's stupid to start listing people who could be mafia, especially before the game starts, just because they're running for mayor. Guys... lynch this mofo. He makes too much sense!!! Edit: Also just a random thought, wouldn't it technically be advantageous for mafia to not even try to run for mayor? I mean it seems like everyone here assumes that at least one person who runs for mayor HAS to be mafia. So if the mafia don't even bother to put a candidate up, then later in the game all those towny candidates will essentially end up being scapegoats for the lynchings. All I'm trying to say basically, is when we start lynching people...please come up with a better reasoning than "Well he ran for mayor and at least one of the candidates has to be mafia", because anyways...mayor seems to be useless to mafia. Besides the first lynching (which a towny mayor will probably get wrong anyways) the only powers the mayor has is his extra votes, which are pretty much useless if the town is even half decent (and if town sucks...then they REALLY don't need a mayor). As for the double lynching...well a mafia mayor would have to use his double lynchings in respect to the town's wishes anyways or risk being suspected as mafia. So in reality it seems that the wild goose chase that would ensue from not running for mafia would be more beneficial to them than the mayor or pardoner position would. I say the pardoner position is useless to mafia because then if he decides to pardon a fellow mafia without giving good reason then that guy will probably just be taken out by a vigilante at night. Afterwards the pardoner would be lynched by day giving the town two guaranteed mafia kills. mafia did that last game, and I highly doubt they would do it again for a couple reasons 1) there are more people, so its harder to figure out who the mafia candidate would be if they exist. Because of this, we have absolutely no idea if mafia runs a candidate or not, which means no real risk for mafia running. We just wont know if its happening or not, so they might as well take advantage of that. Getting us to lynch an innocent mayor is probably fun, but has less advantage for them than just securing the spot in the first place, since even a mistrusted townie mayor still gets a free lynch and can still declare double lynch which obviously benefits the town. 2)Again, because of the numbers and the nature of mob mentality, mafia would only have to risk a very small number of votes to tip the vote to their candidate. This assumes they have a candidate. Obviously, since we cant tell if mafia even brought a candidate (which would be the smart choice) or if they were successful in swinging the vote, we cant exactly start suspecting the mayor because of voting patterns. You are basically dealing with signal vs noise. Townies have no unified information, and act basically as a mob.(emotional contagion, herd theory, etc.) Because the mafia are unified and coherent (signal) they can greatly sway the vote. Basically once a few votes start going to a candidate, more votes will follow. Once they get a mafia mayor, he can be subtle to try and mislead the town, or he can simply say screw you guys I'm mafia. Trading one day's lynch and preventing future double lynches still benefits the mafia. (Not that he should, but I'm just trying to show that mafia mayor benefits mafia in every case, even if he gets lynched) 3) There are huge benefits to being mayor. Preventing double lynch is huge, so is the election day lynch. Mafia mayor makes the bodyguards pretty much useless, especially if the pardoner is mafia/lynched. The mayor is really a super detective. They can be obvious about their suspicions without fearing death. So its best not to waste that position on either mafia or people who aren't good at clues/willing to spend a ton of time deciphering clues, making lists, researching etc. A mafia mayor really plays a denial role to one of only two hit-proof roles. | ||
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Subject: Mafia Date: 3/18/08 11:37 Hey, you barely know me, but you might have seen me around TL.net particularly the mafia game. This is just a PM to ask you to vote for me for mayor, because that would rock. I'm sure you have your own ideas, but if you are undecided and don't know whom to vote for, please consider me, randombum. Here are some reasons as to why I would be a good choice. 1: I spend far too much time at home, so I will always have time to check tl.net and do the double lynch if the town asks. 2: I will always double lynch if town asks (a good thing) 3: I will be taking an active role trying to figure out clues and this way I will be able to willingly post them without fear of mafia taking me out. 4: I took the time to write this pm to you hoping to convince you so you do not have to look though pages of spam in the actual thread. Thanks, randombum hmmmmm | ||
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I will have a post showing my usefulness soon, hopefully some time tonight If you have any doubts about me, I suggest you look at my earlier posts, and the endorsement from plexa | ||
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On March 19 2008 06:51 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: Show nested quote + On March 19 2008 06:48 GeneralStan wrote: On March 19 2008 06:46 fusionsdf wrote: s h a l l o w is a m a f i a QFT The mafia have by now had enough time to read my megapost and formulate an opinion on whether they want me killed or not. It would appear that my guesses are for the large part correct, and thus they're trying to turn public support against me. Go for it guys ^^ I think your suspicions are a good start. don't take a joke the wrong way. | ||
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On March 19 2008 07:01 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: Show nested quote + On March 19 2008 06:59 fusionsdf wrote: On March 19 2008 06:51 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: On March 19 2008 06:48 GeneralStan wrote: On March 19 2008 06:46 fusionsdf wrote: s h a l l o w is a m a f i a QFT The mafia have by now had enough time to read my megapost and formulate an opinion on whether they want me killed or not. It would appear that my guesses are for the large part correct, and thus they're trying to turn public support against me. Go for it guys ^^ I think your suspicions are a good start. don't take a joke the wrong way. Last game a joke got Dr.Dragoon directly lynched, followed by a string of indirect lynchings and deaths. Putting all of the spaces doesn't seem to do anything by the way. last time a joke got you killed as well | ||
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On March 19 2008 07:16 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: fusion, fusionfusionfusionfusion. You'll have to try harder than that, son. You should explain | ||
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On March 19 2008 07:26 bumatlarge wrote: Well,then lynch me if you want. I'm only a townie and i'm not serving another purpose. My list of townies is correct as far as i can see. CDRdude Falcynn More_Minerals Aznvaliance BumAtLarge (subject to change) SonuvBob LTT Plexa Pangolin Ahara xDark.Carnivalx Chuiu (GASP) If by the end, we find out that none of these are mafia, I won't say i told you so. Because I'm saying it now. BTW, Bodyguard plan seems neato! I'm innocent as well | ||
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On March 19 2008 08:40 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: I refuse to respond to PMs such as the one Artanis sent me, as I just KNOW he's going to doctor my response and post it. lies you already responded to mine | ||
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On March 19 2008 08:46 Artanis[Xp] wrote: Show nested quote + On March 19 2008 08:45 fusionsdf wrote: On March 19 2008 08:40 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: I refuse to respond to PMs such as the one Artanis sent me, as I just KNOW he's going to doctor my response and post it. lies you already responded to mine Yeah, but you two are discussing mafia plans and I'm not allowed in :< k I pmed | ||
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On March 19 2008 09:42 Falcynn wrote: Show nested quote + On March 19 2008 09:39 Artanis[Xp] wrote: On March 19 2008 09:32 Kau wrote: On March 19 2008 09:12 Ace wrote: On March 19 2008 09:04 qrs wrote: Edit: @ Ace: He's saying that every bodyguard would get a PM. Their PM would list Mafia members as bodyguards. Each bodyguard's PM would list (the same) fake bodyguards as their colleagues. None of the bodyguards would know the difference. They'd still be caught. Ok let's look at like this: Scenario 1: There are 7 bodyguards total. 2 Mafia members "fake" PM the BG's with a Mafia Mayor who also sends out the PM. We will know how many BGs are there when the elections are over. The Mafia can't leave 2 of the real Bodyguards off the list because the 2 that didn't get a PM would speak up. They can't just add an extra 2 to the PM because any BG getting a PM from the Mayor with 9 names obviously means the Mayor is clearly not thinking straight and is fishy. Scenario 2: There are 7 bodyguards total. 2 Mafia members "fake" PM the BG's with an Innocent Mayor who also sends out the PM. The PMs from the Mayor don't match those 2 "fake" PMs. Even better, the names of those 2 fakers never even appear in the Mayor's original PM and they just outted themselves as Mafia for a pathetic chance at confusion. How can the Mafia possibly get away with faking any of it without drawing attention to their members? Ace, I don't see how scenario 1 would happen at all. Unless I don't understand how the game works (which is a definite possibility), this is how I see it using your numbers. What everyone knows: There are 7 bodyguards. Only the mayor knows which 7 people are bodyguards. Now, we assume that the mayor is also mafia, so he can coordinate with other mafia members. Since he knows who each bodyguard is, he will send each of the 7 bodyguards a pm. Each pm will have 7 people in it: 6 mafia and 1 bodyguard. Each bodyguard gets pm'ed back by the mafia members (6 different pm's for each bodyguard) and so they believe there are 7 bodyguards. No bodyguards are left out. Each list sent contains 7 people. Each bodyguard recieves 6 confirmation pm's. As I had said earlier, once one bodyguard dies, the other bodyguards would find out that the one that died isn't in their list and would obviously protest. Mayor gets lynched and people get the list of a large portion of the mafia, plus the mayor. I have to agree. In the long run this "hole" would actually benefit the town alot more than it would benefit mafia. you would have to sacrifice the pardoner and the bodyguards in that event ironically, there roles would be pretty much useless in that case anyways | ||
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On March 19 2008 09:45 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: fusion, I'm not answering PMs like that. hahaha your response is itself an answer as was the intent | ||
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On March 19 2008 09:50 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: Show nested quote + On March 19 2008 09:50 Falcynn wrote: Shallow...if fusion posted any screenshots of a PM do you really think anyone would believe him after what happened last game? If anything fusion would just be getting himself lynched. I know, but I'm not going to risk it. Especially if he and Artanis are in it together, seeing as they've both sent me close to identical pm's oh hahaha | ||
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March 20 2008 01:39 GMT
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March 20 2008 02:39 GMT
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On March 20 2008 10:53 Empyrean wrote: Confession. Well it looks like I'm obviously not going to get an elected position. I'm not a detective. I'm plain townie. You can get a detective or someone to check it out :/ Now. The only reason I posted that I was detective was to try and get the mayoral/pardoner spot, since the only way I will ever be sure (remember, I can't actually check people's roles) that we have a townie-aligned mayor/pardoner is if I were to be in office. So yes, I suppose it was a selfish move, but you'll have to believe me when I say that it was the best thing I could personally have done for the town, since I am a definite townie. I couldn't wait for the off-chance that someone else take the mayoral position and end up being a mafioso. So you'll understand why I tried to force the town's hand. And since I've revealed my true role, it's up to the mafia to decide if they want to waste their Suicide Bomber(s?) on a plain townie who's not likely to receive paramedic protection. Furthermore, it solves the problem of the saboteur issue. Why sabotage someone's "abilities" when they actually have none? All town detectives are at the moment unknown, and Ace's plan should proceed without impediment. hahahahahaha | ||
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March 20 2008 02:46 GMT
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On March 20 2008 11:09 Empyrean wrote: Show nested quote + On March 20 2008 11:02 GeneralStan wrote: On March 20 2008 11:01 Mynock wrote: Bah, another horrible move by Empyrean (assuming he is what he says he is). I was considering the chance that Emp was a townie, in which case what he was doing would have made some sense. First, he could draw the saboteur's ability away from the real roles, second, he might have wasted some of the mafia's killing power or even a suicide bomber. Now, if he's indeed a townie he's made another crucial mistake, instead of confusing the mafia (and possibly sacrificing himself) he's confusing the town even further. This is getting really weird now. But for now, I want to hear what others think tho. You just confused me :\ If he was a vanilla townie then we could have been wasting mafia roles, but they might have realized and ignored Emp. Or Emp really is a detective and he's trying to now avert attention from himself. Heh. Think about it for a second - why would I make such a move to announce that I am detective so early on in the game? My only reason for doing so was to ensure a townie mayor. I've also confused some mafia, hopefully. If they still think I'm detective, they run the risk of wasting both their sabotage or their suicide bomber. If they think I'm vanilla townie, then, well, nothing special happens. All our detectives'll still be secret and safe. Anyway, if you guys really want to see my role, you should just wait for Ace to announce the detectives' results. why would you, since even if you got your way people would expect you to use your detective powers as mayor and you wouldnt have powers Whether you are mafia or townie, paramedics shouldnt watch, and here is why. If you are mafia, you are safe. If you are townie, It is in the mafia interest to keep you alive for as long as possible for two reasons: 1) As long as you are alive, you are suspicious. They might as well force us to waste a lynch. 2) Mafia know you are a towny. They would be better off excluding you, because with random chance, they now have a better chance of killing a special role. If you do die, who cares? At best you are a detective plaing towny for safety - a move which makes you almost useless in that role; at worst you are mafia. again Paramedics should stay away from paramedics for the same reason, if he is a townie, you are better off protecting someone with a random guess, and hope its someone a) targetted by the mafia, b) special non-mafia role On March 20 2008 11:38 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Show nested quote + On March 20 2008 11:28 Yogurt wrote: how do we guarantee who the detectives are again? imo if the mafia was smart, they would have 1 or two claim the detective roles to cause a lot of confusion and stall while townies died, even if they got lynched in the end detective checks Ace, and then PM's Ace if ace is green/blue. so silence from detectives indicates that ace is not a mafia. from there ace builds the network, as he knows who the DT's are and so they can work through him without speaking in the open. If Ace is mafia (which would be awful for the town), detective has to speak up so ace can be lynched. then we are down a detective and a mayor, and in a tough spot indeed. if the mafia are roleclaiming a detective, ace will know since there will be 5 detectives PMing him, unless a detective is inactive. i think that's the plan, If I misunderstood something please someone correct me so we just lynch detectives until we find out which one is mafia? or do we have to coordinate the detectives somehow, which would tie them up another round? You would have to do a double check from what I see, which might take as long as two seperate nights. | ||
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March 20 2008 04:29 GMT
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On March 20 2008 13:26 Ace wrote: {88}iNcontroL jokes he hasnt voted so hwe will get dropped anyways | ||
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March 20 2008 06:00 GMT
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March 20 2008 15:03 GMT
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we are lynching quiet people to force them to post? Do you realize how useless a strategy that is? We only get one/2 lynches a day....and you want to waste them like that. First, its perfectly possible for mafia to post without seeming suspicious. So by forcing them to post you gain absolutely nothing. Second, its possible for a townie to post suspiciously. By focusing on it, you confuse the town, and potentially waste future lynches. Third, In this case, we knew that empyrean was at best a townie. Going after him offers better odds than lynching inactive posters. This was a very rare situatuion. In most cases, Its better to lynch based on clues Fourth, by lynching based on clues, you narrow the pool of people that clue potentially refers to, and offer yourself the chance to isolate mafia based on clues. I am glad you dont have control of future lynches. The reasoning for this one was flawed. Lynch because of clues, not posting activity. This was a mistake | ||
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March 20 2008 15:11 GMT
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On March 21 2008 00:07 Naib wrote: Show nested quote + On March 21 2008 00:03 fusionsdf wrote: so...... we are lynching quiet people to force them to post? Do you realize how useless a strategy that is? No, no, no and again a NO! That is not a strategy! That is a strategy for the first lynch only and nothing else. I feel I explained it quite well, feel free to read it all again (Ace can back it up of course, I bet he can form better arguments seeing English is his first language, and not mine ) It doesnt matter what lynching it is its still stupid especially when you have a gift like empyrean | ||
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March 20 2008 15:33 GMT
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On March 21 2008 00:18 Naib wrote: Show nested quote + On March 21 2008 00:11 fusionsdf wrote: On March 21 2008 00:07 Naib wrote: On March 21 2008 00:03 fusionsdf wrote: so...... we are lynching quiet people to force them to post? Do you realize how useless a strategy that is? No, no, no and again a NO! That is not a strategy! That is a strategy for the first lynch only and nothing else. I feel I explained it quite well, feel free to read it all again (Ace can back it up of course, I bet he can form better arguments seeing English is his first language, and not mine ) It doesnt matter what lynching it is its still stupid especially when you have a gift like empyrean A "gift" oh yeah. Definitely. I'd really suggest you to read through the thread again. You obviously dont understand what is going on in this game, so you might as well stop this If you had an argument you would offer it instead of useless sarcasm | ||
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March 20 2008 15:49 GMT
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On March 21 2008 00:40 iNfuNdiBuLuM wrote: Show nested quote + On March 21 2008 00:33 fusionsdf wrote: On March 21 2008 00:18 Naib wrote: On March 21 2008 00:11 fusionsdf wrote: On March 21 2008 00:07 Naib wrote: On March 21 2008 00:03 fusionsdf wrote: so...... we are lynching quiet people to force them to post? Do you realize how useless a strategy that is? No, no, no and again a NO! That is not a strategy! That is a strategy for the first lynch only and nothing else. I feel I explained it quite well, feel free to read it all again (Ace can back it up of course, I bet he can form better arguments seeing English is his first language, and not mine ) It doesnt matter what lynching it is its still stupid especially when you have a gift like empyrean A "gift" oh yeah. Definitely. I'd really suggest you to read through the thread again. You obviously dont understand what is going on in this game, so you might as well stop this If you had an argument you would offer it instead of useless sarcasm In his defense, you aren't offering much of an argument either; you didn't even explain your post. Was qrs correct in interpreting what you meant? I have a hard time seeing what sort of gift Empyrean is (besides to the mafia, perhaps, as I for one do not believe he is guaranteed green), but it's possible that I'm miunderstanding something here. qrs is correct yes. see: On March 21 2008 00:03 fusionsdf wrote: so...... we are lynching quiet people to force them to post? Do you realize how useless a strategy that is? We only get one/2 lynches a day....and you want to waste them like that. First, its perfectly possible for mafia to post without seeming suspicious. So by forcing them to post you gain absolutely nothing. Second, its possible for a townie to post suspiciously. By focusing on it, you confuse the town, and potentially waste future lynches. Third, In this case, we knew that empyrean was at best a townie. Going after him offers better odds than lynching inactive posters. This was a very rare situatuion. In most cases, Its better to lynch based on clues Fourth, by lynching based on clues, you narrow the pool of people that clue potentially refers to, and offer yourself the chance to isolate mafia based on clues. I am glad you dont have control of future lynches. The reasoning for this one was flawed. Lynch because of clues, not posting activity. This was a mistake | ||
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March 20 2008 18:49 GMT
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On March 21 2008 01:10 Mynock wrote: I just now had time to catch up to the latest events and I have a couple things to say. Firstly, fusion, lay off of Ace please? Ace seems absolutely competent for his job, if based only on the fact that he's not acting based on emotions (unlike many of you here). Lynching iNc was easily justified, and explained oh so many times. If a person doesn't respond for 2 days while having a PM about being a Mad Hatter in their mailbox... well, nobody could have possibly predicted that. iNc is pretty much at fault himself here. Also, lynching Empyrean is only in the mafia's best interests. Why? Well, if I was mafia, I would now be pretty much confused about Empyrean's role (and chances of him being mafia are not too high actually). I think the following course of events is likely: If we largely predict Empyrean to be dead tonight, they will leave him be and have him attract suspicion to himself. If however we largely predict that they will know we think so, and that's exactly the reason they kept him alive, we should not jump the gun too soon because we risk lynching an active townie. Had we lynched Empyrean first day, that's a lot of problems off of mafia's shoulders, less guessing for them to do. Still, Emp presents a good target for the mafia even now, so helping them by going ahead and doing the job for them is in no way a good strategy. As for the Mad Hatter, I can't believe how some of you base your arguments on the mere fact that he happened to be a blue. If anything, it was iNc's fault! Ace went out of his way to ensure a role would not be harmed, his actions clearly shown it. Calm down people, and be reasonable. Now that we have a solid foundation for the game, let's do our best to build up from here, and work together with the people in office. what guessing would they have to do lol? empyrean being alive is a much bigger burden for us than for them | ||
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March 24 2008 00:04 GMT
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On March 24 2008 08:58 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: Interesting choice, given Ace's explanation for his choice and the towns need to rely on their mayor. I havent read the past 50 pages since Ive been busy with homework | ||
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March 24 2008 01:19 GMT
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On March 24 2008 10:17 Energies wrote: I'm curious to know, if Mafia vote in the vote thread, are their votes counted, or how does that aspect work? Yeah, they are counted | ||
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March 24 2008 03:15 GMT
#2342
On March 24 2008 11:39 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: PS : I changed my signature again. The one I had when the game started is still available in araav and Sonuvbob's list posts. obviosly manda whatever is going to get lynched anyways, so I dont see why you should start getting suspicious of people who want to make their own decisions. its a stupid metric | ||
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March 28 2008 05:31 GMT
#3296
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fusionsdf
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March 29 2008 14:42 GMT
#3440
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
April 02 2008 01:37 GMT
#3578
just like itw would have done it | ||
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April 04 2008 19:35 GMT
#3721
On April 05 2008 03:56 Ace wrote: The first thing is the PM from New104, he vote checked and found 1 Mafia in the list. The list is: Ace - 7 Chezinu Alventenie imDerek TranceStorm fusionsdf ~OpZ~(2) Evilmonkey. I also got another set of info confirming that these people are all innocent: MTF SpiritoftheTuna d.arkive Pangolin(2) Plexa ~OpZ~ NatsuTerran Eti307 Empyrean JoxxOr Romance_us BloodyC0bbler Which shortens our list down to this: Ace - 7(6) Chezinu Alventenie imDerek TranceStorm fusionsdf ~OpZ~(2) <--innocent Evilmonkey. bad luck for me how should I prove my innocence? | ||
fusionsdf
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April 04 2008 19:44 GMT
#3723
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fusionsdf
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April 05 2008 03:05 GMT
#3745
Do you have any questions? Why the strange behavior? Why did I do this or that etc? Ask me. I will tell you. I plan to have a huge update out before tonight anyways so I'm not really worried about dying. | ||
fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
April 05 2008 21:58 GMT
#3762
On April 05 2008 19:44 Plexa wrote: fusion, last game you were so active in your pms to me with your suspects and so on why no analysis this game? 2 reasons. 1, putting myself forward as mayor at the beginning of the game was an extremely high risk move. By doing so, I put myself forward as a leader type, and if I didnt get mayor or pardoner, it was extremely likely I would be high enough on the threat list (especially with the lack of development) that I would die on the first day cycle. As soon as I realised that it was unlikely I would become mayor, it was then the smartest move for me to prevent myself from getting on the list and then gain as much time as possible to gather clues. The initial goal was to post a list after two cycles since that should be enough to create a list, but I've been busy. In order to survive to do that I had to lay low, and make it so other people were more attractive mafia targets. That's why I did the whole thing with shallow and made a whole bunch of nonsense posts. I wanted to come off to both the town and the mafia as a rogue element - not annoying enough to be killed off, but not helpful enough to get killed that way either. but you'll see a post from me tonight :D | ||
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April 06 2008 01:41 GMT
#3768
I'm the only suspect about to provide lots of clues. Let me go tonight. If what I provide isnt good enough, you can always lynch me next time. | ||
fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
April 06 2008 19:55 GMT
#3785
shouldnt the list of people who voted be those more likely to have roles (mafia or town)? | ||
fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
April 06 2008 23:57 GMT
#3798
On April 07 2008 05:04 ~OpZ~ wrote: Yes and no...The dude running the mafia last game didn't post much...if at all...kinda like you lol... patience I'll be releasing a mega-post right before next day cycle | ||
fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
April 07 2008 03:45 GMT
#3805
if hes mafia, it moves five people into the innocent pool | ||
fusionsdf
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April 08 2008 01:23 GMT
#3858
isnt mandalor mr blue? | ||
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April 08 2008 05:54 GMT
#3869
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Canada15390 Posts
April 08 2008 23:01 GMT
#3892
chuiu needs to pick the left side more often he mentions right 13 times, but only 3 times for left Up is used 42 times + Show Spoiler + Line 26 : [1,13]He rammed into DapperDan knocking him to the ground. King Brown Snake stepped up to him as DapperDan started getting up. Line 26 : [1,13]He rammed into DapperDan knocking him to the ground. King Brown Snake stepped up to him as DapperDan started getting up. Line 50 : [1,25]Mr. Blue got in the last word, before they finished up their little meeting, and said "Lets just hope the right mayor gets elected, that would speed things up as the town declares martial law." Line 50 : [1,25]Mr. Blue got in the last word, before they finished up their little meeting, and said "Lets just hope the right mayor gets elected, that would speed things up as the town declares martial law." Line 5 : [2,3]Nobody knew how or when the mafia would strike, or what their real intentions were if any, but a few were up late losing sleep over it. Line 17 : [2,9]As they fell to the ground Mynock struggled to get away, he bashed Mr. Blonde in the face with his elbow as he turned to the right and climbed up only to meet gaze with Mr. Brown. Line 19 : [2,10]They traded glares and Mynock dodged to the left and headed up his stairs not clearly deciphering the yells that came from behind him or caring. Line 31 : [2,16]They both stood up in a haste and Neax went to call the police. Line 37 : [2,19]He kept trying but dropped the phone and gave up when he noticed the rest of the electronics in the house going haywire. Line 39 : [2,20]They both grouped up in the room and decided to head out to investigate, possibly even try a neighbors phone when they noticed a Taipan Snake operating what dawned on them must be some sort of electronic jamming device. Line 57 : [2,29]NeaX managed to get the door open and was crawling out while they were distracted by goldenkrnboi but Cottonmouth quickly picked up his target once more and finished him off throwing three knives into each of his legs and three in his back. Line 63 : [2,32]They looked at each other puzzled and then went up the stairs to investigate the sound. Line 71 : [2,36]As he held up the top portion of Mynocks head, the bottom on the ground a few feet away after falling apart from the buckshot, the two men became filled with shock. Line 87 : [2,44]OneBlueAugust was getting up ready to fight Mr. Pink but slipped on some gooey substance on the ground. Line 105 : [2,53]Eddie was up at that point, however, and began kicking Yogurt in the gut. Line 107 : [2,54]Black Mamba felt his way up and began kicking Yogurt in the back to compliment Eddies assault. Line 3 : [3,2]He stood up to investigate and peered outside to see a man hurling matter at the side of his house from the ground. Line 15 : [3,8]Well Dinmsab was getting really impatient at this point and demanded an explanation for what was going on. Enigma stood up and proclaimed "why we're here to rid the world of good, because we're the only ones who can". Line 29 : [3,15]As he began picking up speed he heard something singing behind him. He peered over his shoulder to see that California Mountain Snake had thrown something at him. Line 33 : [3,17]Across town the mafia were setting up another three house raid. Line 37 : [3,19]But as they broke the glass of one of his windows JeeJee woke up and grabbed his trusty baseball bat and headed down the stairs to meet them. Line 45 : [3,23]He backed up and Copperhead pulled a knife from his left pocket and said "well look here now, we've come to kill ya but yer gunna get a choice on how ya die, you can choose this here knife or whatevers in my right pocket". Line 65 : [3,33]He bent down to pick them up and was just about done when Taipan Snake charged into him and knocked him to the ground. Line 67 : [3,34]As if the last couple events weren't out of the blue enough for him Frenh_Toast found himself being dragged to the nearest window. Line 77 : [3,39]Mr. Pink and Mr. Brown were standing just in front of his phone and as he glanced at it Mr. Brown picked it up and said "oh you want this?" and smashed it on the table breaking it in two. Line 97 : [3,49]He figured the man was still drunk and cleaned himself up to get ready to leave but stopped as he noticed someone driving down the road obviously looking for someone. Line 105 : [3,52]"Well thanks for the help, but I'm afraid my friend was supposed to give you something" said Joe as he turned to face LucasWoj. Line 109 : [3,54]But Joe pulled out a gun and shot LucasWoJ dead saying "he was supposed to kill you". Line 1 : [4,1]In downtown Liquidia Empyrean and New104 were up late reviewing case reports on the lynched and murdered people from that day. Line 3 : [4,2]They had come up with disturbing revelations and were ready to reveal them to the public in effort to help stem the wrath of the mafia. Line 5 : [4,3]Empyrean got up from his desk, thirsty, went to the break room for a cup of coffee. Line 5 : [4,3]Empyrean got up from his desk, thirsty, went to the break room for a cup of coffee. Line 19 : [4,10]Taipan Snake walked up slowly and with a strange device fired out a direct current of electricity which proceeded to fry every inch of Empyrean. Line 25 : [4,13]He got up to go get some coffee himself when he noticed five nails on the ground, he walked slowly over to them to investigate. Line 31 : [4,16]New104 was cringing in pain but he knew he had to defend himself, he started getting up but met gaze with a strange man on his way up. Line 31 : [4,16]New104 was cringing in pain but he knew he had to defend himself, he started getting up but met gaze with a strange man on his way up. Line 35 : [4,18]New104 wasn't anywhere near dead at this point, but his adrenaline was flowing and he used the sudden surge in strength to knock King Brown Snake to the ground and get up himself. Line 41 : [4,21]Cottonmouth was in the hallway now and was about to throw another nail at New104 when The Wolf interrupted him. Line 55 : [4,28]He had a clear shot and took it, firing off a couple rounds he quickly ended Kau's life. Line 69 : [4,35]He tackled Queasy to the ground and with little trouble got up right away. Line 73 : [4,37]He slashed Queasy's right shoulder as he was trying to get up and then kicked it to flip him around. Down is mentioned 21 times + Show Spoiler + Line 1 : [1,1]The bitter truth set in their gut as they both stared down their ex-brethren. Line 15 : [2,8]Mr. Blonde had braced himself on the ceiling and swooped down from above diving strait into Mynock. Line 77 : [2,39]He struck him down with ease and met gaze with Mr. Pink right away but wasn't prepared for the punch to the face soon after. Line 101 : [2,51]He kicked Eddie aside as he was helping Black Mamba recover from the stone that struck his face and stumbled but still managed to make an easy round house kick to knock Black Mamba back down. Line 19 : [3,10]Mr. Orange came down with a pair of wire clippers in hand and bashed Dinmsab on the back with them. Line 37 : [3,19]But as they broke the glass of one of his windows JeeJee woke up and grabbed his trusty baseball bat and headed down the stairs to meet them. Line 39 : [3,20]He crept down slowly and peered around the corner to see Copperhead standing in wait for Mr. Black as he climbed in through the window. Line 55 : [3,28]Mr. Black wouldn't let him pass though, standing in front of the door, so JeeJee decided to put his new weapon to good use, he thrusted down hard toward Mr. Black's face but Mr. Black defended with the baseball bat and the knife drove through it. Line 65 : [3,33]He bent down to pick them up and was just about done when Taipan Snake charged into him and knocked him to the ground. Line 87 : [3,44]In downtown Liquidia early in the morning LucasWoJ was sitting in his white van about to head into work when he noticed someone walking past him with an obvious hangover. Line 97 : [3,49]He figured the man was still drunk and cleaned himself up to get ready to leave but stopped as he noticed someone driving down the road obviously looking for someone. Line 99 : [3,49]LucasWoJ waved him down and Joe got out of the car. Line 111 : [3,55]No more than two blocks down at the same time ShadowDrgn was hastily running to his car fearing he would be late for work. Line 1 : [4,1]In downtown Liquidia Empyrean and New104 were up late reviewing case reports on the lynched and murdered people from that day. Line 21 : [4,11]Down the hall New104 was starting to get worried, rather he was starting to get a little thirsty himself. Line 39 : [4,20]Noticing a mafia walking down from the break room he started heading down the opposite direction to the armory. Line 39 : [4,20]Noticing a mafia walking down from the break room he started heading down the opposite direction to the armory. Line 43 : [4,22]"You just need to hit the right spot" he said as he threw the nail down the hallway, it landed square in the back of New104's head and he convulsed as he dropped to the ground, dying less then a minute later. Line 49 : [4,25]He ran down another dark alley in effort to lose Winston and opted to try to blend in with a pile of garbage. Line 51 : [4,26]Winston flipped on his flash light and scanned around the alley, seeing no one, he took a slow pace as he moved down it. Line 59 : [4,30]Down the street Showtime! was spray painting graffiti all over the walls of the government buildings like you would expect lowlifes to do. The ground is mentioned 23 times + Show Spoiler + Line 26 : [1,13]He rammed into DapperDan knocking him to the ground. King Brown Snake stepped up to him as DapperDan started getting up. Line 34 : [1,17]He sprinted to the window to his right and broke through it, knowing the risks and the height to the ground he took his chances with a roll landing to break the fall. Line 40 : [1,20]Taipan Snake automatically knocked him to the ground and proceeded to kick him, being unarmed at the time. Line 17 : [2,9]As they fell to the ground Mynock struggled to get away, he bashed Mr. Blonde in the face with his elbow as he turned to the right and climbed up only to meet gaze with Mr. Brown. Line 51 : [2,26]NeaX fell to the ground and the pain and loss of blood were slowly taking their toll on him. goldenkrnboi watched the whole thing in horror and finally gained the courage to attack the three men in a vain attempt to save his friend. Line 71 : [2,36]As he held up the top portion of Mynocks head, the bottom on the ground a few feet away after falling apart from the buckshot, the two men became filled with shock. Line 85 : [2,43]With each attack Yogurt made a crazy and elaborate counter. Eddie made a lucky kick knocking Yogurt to the ground and went back to Black Mamba to get some help. Line 87 : [2,44]OneBlueAugust was getting up ready to fight Mr. Pink but slipped on some gooey substance on the ground. Line 89 : [2,45]Sidewinder was still on the ground but Mr. Pink had found a weapon to use against OneBlueAugust. Line 97 : [2,49]Blow after blow came and finally OneBlueAugust fell to the ground with no strength left to live. Line 3 : [3,2]He stood up to investigate and peered outside to see a man hurling matter at the side of his house from the ground. Line 31 : [3,16]Unfortunately Dinmsab had no time to react as his head was sliced clean off by the object and he fell to the ground dead. Line 59 : [3,30]As JeeJee lay stunned on the ground Mr. Black pulled the knife out and drove it through JeeJee's chest ending his life. Line 65 : [3,33]He bent down to pick them up and was just about done when Taipan Snake charged into him and knocked him to the ground. Line 91 : [3,46]"LucasWoJ" was written on it and he quickly chased him and tackled him to the ground. Line 119 : [3,59]ShadowDrgn lay stunned on the ground and Max gauged him before he moved in to finish the job. Line 17 : [4,9]"Yeah they're pretty cool guys, always ready to help" said Enigma and with that he and Eddie charged at Empyrean and proceeded to hold him to the ground. Line 25 : [4,13]He got up to go get some coffee himself when he noticed five nails on the ground, he walked slowly over to them to investigate. Line 29 : [4,15]He fell to the ground and Cottonmouth used the opportunity to stab six more nails into him. Line 33 : [4,17]King Brown Snake slapped him back to the ground and started beating him as he lay there. Line 35 : [4,18]New104 wasn't anywhere near dead at this point, but his adrenaline was flowing and he used the sudden surge in strength to knock King Brown Snake to the ground and get up himself. Line 43 : [4,22]"You just need to hit the right spot" he said as he threw the nail down the hallway, it landed square in the back of New104's head and he convulsed as he dropped to the ground, dying less then a minute later. Line 69 : [4,35]He tackled Queasy to the ground and with little trouble got up right away. ------ whereas the sky is never mentioned, neither is heaven, neither are stars, moon is mentioned once [2,2] and sun isnt ever mentioned either. neat. if you want me to search for specific words or phrases, go ahead and post them ============= numbers lol one: -1 + Show Spoiler + Line 52 : [1,26]They all nodded in agreement, but no one knew how the elections tomorrow would turn out. {three other times as a component} two: -9 + Show Spoiler + Line 44 : [1,22]Solemn but seeing a promising future the two returned to the room where Eddie and Joe were starting to lay out plans. Line 23 : [2,12]He panicked as he realized his only line of defense against two men was gone and he just about surrendered as Mr. Blonde appeared in the room with the shotgun, Mr. Brown just behind him. Line 45 : [2,23]NeaX didn't care anymore, he started going to the front door when two knives met his hand as he reached for the handle. Line 71 : [2,36]As he held up the top portion of Mynocks head, the bottom on the ground a few feet away after falling apart from the buckshot, the two men became filled with shock. Line 11 : [3,6]Once he got to the bottom of the stairs though he noticed two other men sitting in wait on his couch. Line 75 : [3,38]He gasped in shock as he saw the corpse and immediately ran to call for help. He almost there when he saw two mafia in his way. Line 77 : [3,39]Mr. Pink and Mr. Brown were standing just in front of his phone and as he glanced at it Mr. Brown picked it up and said "oh you want this?" and smashed it on the table breaking it in two. Line 107 : [3,53]He was confused in his response and didn't really want anything to do with the two anymore so he decided to be short and walk back toward his van. Line 111 : [3,55]No more than two blocks down at the same time ShadowDrgn was hastily running to his car fearing he would be late for work. three: -5 + Show Spoiler + Line 51 : [2,26]NeaX fell to the ground and the pain and loss of blood were slowly taking their toll on him. goldenkrnboi watched the whole thing in horror and finally gained the courage to attack the three men in a vain attempt to save his friend. Line 57 : [2,29]NeaX managed to get the door open and was crawling out while they were distracted by goldenkrnboi but Cottonmouth quickly picked up his target once more and finished him off throwing three knives into each of his legs and three in his back. Line 57 : [2,29]NeaX managed to get the door open and was crawling out while they were distracted by goldenkrnboi but Cottonmouth quickly picked up his target once more and finished him off throwing three knives into each of his legs and three in his back. Line 33 : [3,17]Across town the mafia were setting up another three house raid. Line 37 : [4,19]He dodge three more nails flying at him and got out to the hallway. four: -5 + Show Spoiler + Line 49 : [2,25]He chucked them back at Cottonmouth and went to open the door again but one by one four more knived embraced his good arm. Line 65 : [2,33]They were almost to Mynocks house when four men intercepted them. Line 75 : [2,38]Fortunately only four men stood in their path and OneBlueAugust made a drunken move toward a sickly looking fellow known as Sidewinder. Line 81 : [2,41]Eddie, the fourth man, defended him and sprinted toward Yogurt expecting an easy fight. Line 23 : [3,12]Hitting the door opener and holding the garage door tightly shut to buy himself some time he noticed the fourth man who was outside earlier assaulting his house. five: -1 + Show Spoiler + Line 25 : [4,13]He got up to go get some coffee himself when he noticed five nails on the ground, he walked slowly over to them to investigate. six: -1 + Show Spoiler + Line 29 : [4,15]He fell to the ground and Cottonmouth used the opportunity to stab six more nails into him. seven: -0 + Show Spoiler + eight: -1 + Show Spoiler + Line 16 : [1,8]DapperDan flinched at the thought, he gauged the distance to the door and what he would need to do to get there. Eight people in his way, chances weren't good. nine: -0 + Show Spoiler + ten: -0 + Show Spoiler + eleven: -0 + Show Spoiler + twelve: -0 + Show Spoiler + | ||
fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
April 09 2008 01:54 GMT
#3903
-ARMY [3,26]JeeJee not yet ||armed|| himself grabbed a towel next to him and wrapped it around Copperheads arm, he smashed it in the side of the wall and knocked the knife out of his hand. [4,20]Noticing a mafia walking down from the break room he started heading down the opposite direction to the ||armory.|| [2,54]Black Mamba felt his way up and began kicking Yogurt in the back to compliment Eddies ||assault.|| [3,12]Hitting the door opener and holding the garage door tightly shut to buy himself some time he noticed the fourth man who was outside earlier ||assaulting|| his house. [2,37]No fear though, they had each had their share of the drink that evening and were ||ready to fight an army if one would present itself.|| [2,33]They were almost to Mynocks house when four men ||intercepted|| them. [4,24]Kau assumed he had ||encroached on the wrong territory|| as he was doing some freelance investigating of his own. [2,58]Eddie half-panicked and shot Yogurt in the face as he ||motioned everyone to retreat.|| =AMBUSH [3,6]Once he got to the bottom of the stairs though he noticed two other men sitting in wait on his couch. [3,20]He crept down slowly and peered around the corner to see Copperhead standing in wait for Mr. Black as he climbed in through the window. [3,9]Dinmsab realized he had walked into a mafia trap, and the footsteps behind him confirmed this. =DEFENSE DEFENDED [2,41]Eddie, the fourth man, ||defended him|| and sprinted toward Yogurt expecting an easy fight. [2,12]He panicked as he realized his only line of defense against two men was gone and he just about surrendered as Mr. Blonde appeared in the room with the shotgun, Mr. Brown just behind him. =SURRENDER [2,12]He panicked as he realized his only line of defense against two men was gone and he just about surrendered as Mr. Blonde appeared in the room with the shotgun, Mr. Brown just behind him. [2,19]He kept trying but dropped the phone and gave up when he noticed the rest of the electronics in the house going haywire. | ||
fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
April 09 2008 02:09 GMT
#3907
Main Entry: bay Part of Speech: noun 1 Definition: water Synonyms: anchorage, arm, back harbor, basin, bayou, bight, cove, estuary, fiord, firth, gulf, harbor, inlet, lagoon, loch, mouth, narrows, sound, strait ---- Line 15 : [2,8]Mr. Blonde had braced himself on the ceiling and swooped down from above diving strait into Mynock. Line 65 : [4,33]An easy kill, thought Queasy, as he pulled out a knife and stabbed Showtime! strait through the heart. But that wasn't the end of it. --- funny how chuiu keeps making that typo huh? --- Line 99 : [2,50]Yogurt was just getting started as he approached Black Mamba and Eddie. Quote : We are the Swarm, and we are becoming much, much more...for the final metamorphosis has only. Just. Begun. Art.ShaLLoW -- shallow? hmm.... low? ground? --- | ||
fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
April 09 2008 02:09 GMT
#3909
On April 09 2008 10:56 SpiritoftheTuna wrote: whats this have to do with anything army = general stan? | ||
fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
April 09 2008 02:16 GMT
#3912
On April 09 2008 11:13 SpiritoftheTuna wrote: Show nested quote + On April 09 2008 11:09 fusionsdf wrote: On April 09 2008 10:56 SpiritoftheTuna wrote: whats this have to do with anything army = general stan? Has to be a specific person, yo. Can't just be littered anywhere. has chuiu confirmed this? | ||
fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
April 09 2008 02:26 GMT
#3914
last game, almost every line had a clue of some sort, and some lines had 2 clues. so how do you explain lines like: "[4,24]Kau assumed he had ||encroached on the wrong territory|| as he was doing some freelance investigating of his own." It doesnt mention any of those 20 people, so is it a useless sentence? Why was it included? | ||
fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
April 09 2008 02:47 GMT
#3918
On April 09 2008 11:41 MidnightGladius wrote: ... because it moves the plot? Bajad drovja, you're in no position to be forcing explanations for anything on anyone. The most suspicious person here is you, and trying to analyze Chuiu's thought process is absurd beyond plausibility. Last game, he used kicks quite frequently, and the town was pointing at chicken (since chickens don't have arms, right?). I think that the personality clues give us a great way to separate what must be a clue and what might be a clue. Let's keep working on referencing vote counts and using solid evidence; deviating from the model that we've all been using so far isn't exactly helpful. hey fuck you | ||
fusionsdf
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April 09 2008 21:43 GMT
#3935
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
April 10 2008 16:56 GMT
#4040
On April 11 2008 01:47 qrs wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2008 01:15 Ace wrote: On April 10 2008 21:04 qrs wrote: Stop bitching.What the hell, Ace! Maybe it's your fault, maybe not, but you've done nothing but screw over the town this game. Don't check out the Ghar clue, make us lynch wurm, take the lynch off the suicide bomber so we lynch a townie instead, apparently leak information (deliberately or not) that leads to Mafia figuring out half the roles! I'm through taking direction. Plexa's list seems to be the best thing we've got now. I'm getting tired of your shit, so I'm putting my votes to lynch you and possibly the other guy when I finish reading this thread. Fair enough, but let me just say that until now, I wasn't bitching, just questioning you. I had confidence in you overall. I've lost that confidence. My last post that you quoted--OK, sure, you can call that bitching, but I had some reason to: 1) It's partly your fault Ghar is dead. Sure, not totally your fault, and I voted for him too, and he would have probably been lynched without you, but don't go trying to revise history and pretend you thought he was innocent all along. He was your "suspect #2" until the last minute, when it was too late to change most people's votes. Most of those people voted for him on your direction. 2) It's your fault wurm is dead. OK, you had an excuse--"he wasn't cooperating". If it was only wurm, I would buy that. 3) It's your fault Trancestorm died and wasted a lynch that would have killed d.arkive. You got your facts wrong. 4) Is it your fault that the Mafia seems to know everything? I don't know, but you're the only one who knew all the roles. You admitted a while back that you messed up at least once and that Mandalor got some information out of you. Somehow someone got into some sort of channel, whatever the details are on that. 5) It's because of you that Mandalor is dead: credit where it's due. But that's it. You helped us kill one mafioso and one medic, and wasted one lynch on a sure mafioso. Your information is worthless. And now you're voting to lynch me out of spite. I'm not complaining, mind you: if I get on your nerves that much, go ahead. But it doesn't help the town very much when you declare a double lynch, use your first votes on someone who annoys you and don't use your second votes at all. Do you have two real suspects or do you not? The whole game you've been acting like you hold all the cards, but your bluff has been called. And you're still holding back information. How about this: you get off your high horse and I'll stop bitching. Deal? I pretty much support qrs in this | ||
fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
April 10 2008 20:49 GMT
#4060
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fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
April 10 2008 21:15 GMT
#4070
On April 11 2008 05:55 useLess wrote: Seriously, getting all 4 medics in 5 days cant be luck or chance. 13 townies with roles = dead 14 regular townies = dead First Round: odds of mafia killing a regular townie: ~78/110 = 71% odds of mafia killing a roled townie: ~32/110 = 29% (Ace killed a blue first night T_T): odds of mafia killing a regular townie: ~78/109 = 72% odds of mafia killing a roled townie: ~31/109 = 28% After 2nd day(one of our vigis killed a dt, gj): odds of mafia killing a regular townie: ~74/103 = 72% odds of mafia killing a roled townie: ~29/103 = 28% After 3rd day: odds of mafia killing a regular townie: ~70/96 = 73% odds of mafia killing a roled townie: ~26/96 = 27% After 4th day: odds of mafia killing a regular townie: ~67/90 = 74% odds of mafia killing a roled townie: ~23/90 = 25% After 5th day: odds of mafia killing a regular townie: ~63/82 = 77% odds of mafia killing a roled townie: ~19/82 = 23% | ||
fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
April 10 2008 23:05 GMT
#4074
once again, Im going to suggest general stan is mafia | ||
fusionsdf
Canada15390 Posts
April 11 2008 00:01 GMT
#4083
List:Mandalor - 37 ShaLLoW[baY] qrs clazziquai ahrara_ Falcynn ZBiR unsoundlogic BWdero GeneralStan Scorch nemY MidnightGladius decafchicken L suresh0t randombum Lysithea Artanis[Xp] Ninja4ever. Naib SoleSteeler RtS)Night[Mare Jimtudor GranDim Alethios 0cz3c Last Romantic zeks Unforgiven_ve Energies iNfuNdiBuLuM SoMuchBetter Camlito fanatacist ieatkids5 SonuvBob Siefu butidigress Out of the 37 people that voted to lynch Mandalor, 10 are Mafia Which means that everyone on that list has a ~27% chance of being mafia how should we interpret the lines that dont mention mafia members? and how do we deal with the repeat of unnecessary adjectives, like strait and gauged obviously they arent bullet proof, but with the patterns we are following right now, we might as well look at everything. Clues are going to repeat. Therefore, we should look for things that repeat. That has been my method. | ||
fusionsdf
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April 11 2008 00:22 GMT
#4084
its a stupid clue to follow anyways, cause you might as well just suspect wizard, since he is 12th in the player list. The reason Im looking at unnecessary words so intensely, is a) chuiu hasnt confirmed that every word in a sentence containing a mafia member is linked to that mafia member. Obviously, I agree that if it describes mr blonde as tall, then we should link tall to mr blonde. If on the other hand, it says Mr. blonde's victim ran down the alley where he ran into a wall, we shouldnt link running into walls with mr blond. so how do we know whether running into walls is a clue, or just a story element? We look for it to repeat. If people keep running headfirst into walls over and over again, it becomes fairly obvious that chuiu isnt very imaginative, or that running into walls is a hint. And if that hint isnt always linked to mr blonde, we cant just ignore all the other instances because of an assumption chuiu hasnt confirmed. 2) Look at Chuiu's wrap up from the first game. http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=66251¤tpage=155#3091 You'll see that clues are fucking dense. Like every sentence, sometimes twice a sentence. for example: The moon was fresh in the sky this eerily cold evening in the town of Liquidia, and the town quiet, not so much as a mouse stirring.(imDerek) That sentence didnt mention any mafia member, yet it hid a clue. Look at: A mafia had been infesting the quiet town for the past decade taking up positions of importance and gaining trust through misguided joy (to miss the mark) and position.(Empyrean) ONE Mafia is mentioned in this line, but there are TWO clues. This does not agree with the assumption regarding this game, that in a line mentioning a mafia member, all clues correlate to that specific member. Look at an example: As the clock came past 3:00am (eti307) they got started with the deeds. The 3:00 AM was unnecessary. Why was it included? As a way to include a clue. In the same way, we should look at every single sentence for unnecessary words, and every paragraph for unecessary sentences. When they start to repeat, we have a good chance that its a clue. | ||
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April 11 2008 00:34 GMT
#4089
On April 11 2008 09:01 fusionsdf wrote: One of the resons Im suspecting shallow (among others) is: Show nested quote + List:Mandalor - 37 ShaLLoW[baY] qrs clazziquai ahrara_ Falcynn ZBiR unsoundlogic BWdero GeneralStan Scorch nemY MidnightGladius decafchicken L suresh0t randombum Lysithea Artanis[Xp] Ninja4ever. Naib SoleSteeler RtS)Night[Mare Jimtudor GranDim Alethios 0cz3c Last Romantic zeks Unforgiven_ve Energies iNfuNdiBuLuM SoMuchBetter Camlito fanatacist ieatkids5 SonuvBob Siefu butidigress Out of the 37 people that voted to lynch Mandalor, 10 are Mafia Which means that everyone on that list has a ~27% chance of being mafia Further, since this was a single lynch, we know that these 10 did not vote for anyone else. In other words there are 10 mafia members who voted for mandalor, and another 10 that didnt vote for mandalor in that lynching. 3 of the ten that didnt vote for mandalor are dead: mandalor, Queasy, d.arkive That means that of the 17 mafia remaining, 10 are on that list, and only 7 are not which means a 10/37 of mafia in the list. 27% chance of mafia and a 7/63 chance of mafia when not on that list 10% chance of mafia (63 = #of townies (83) + #of Mafia (17) - #of people on the list(37)) If I made an error, please correct. | ||
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April 11 2008 00:44 GMT
#4093
On April 11 2008 09:29 HeRoS)Pink wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2008 09:22 fusionsdf wrote: L is the 12th letter its a stupid clue to follow anyways, cause you might as well just suspect wizard, since he is 12th in the player list. If L is mafia how do fuck do you make clues towards him then? No quote, name mean nothing depends on whether chuiu is familiar with deathnote or not. If he is, there are a ton of clues he could use. Or, he could think of roman numerals and say L = 50 or he could talk about L = lambda and relate it to physics or half life (which he has, since we have physicist clues) or, if we chose to go even more unlikely and exotic: Used as a shield pattern by the Spartan army; it stood for Lakedaimon, the name of the region. It could stand for Left. it could relate to Big L http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_L or computers so we cant just assume which clue chuiu will use. We have to look for clues to repeat, and we have to see which suspect has the widest body of clues pointed against them. That way if we misinterpret one clue, we might still correctly interpret another and get a kill. If you look at the last mafia game, just blindly following lone long-shot clues led the town nowhere. I'm not saying L isnt mafia (he is on the mandalor list), but we dont have strong enough evidence, and should only go after him if we have no one with stronger clues linked to them. | ||
fusionsdf
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April 11 2008 00:46 GMT
#4094
sorry shallow the potential clues against you goes down a bit (but youre still on the mandalor list) | ||
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April 11 2008 00:59 GMT
#4097
http://massmirror.com/a9d17696f32ee9c48e9f48e04c361419.html many of these (maybe even most of these) lead nowhere. I havent edited for probability, and this hasnt been updated since the 8th or 9th. But it does contain summaries. It contains Day 1,2,3,4: Formatted clues from all games, includes [day,line] marking for easier reference and searching. Remaining names: A list of all the players profiles, image descriptions, quotes birth-dates etc. Also contains synonyms for their names, potential words that could link to them etc, for easier searching and clue linking. Clues Sorted: A listing of repeated adjectives and other words in the dialogues that could be potential clues. As mentioned before, take it with a grain of salt. Attack Methods: List of all attack methods. If attacking is a clue, it should be used a lot, and therefore would be easy to see in the list. Note that as of now, this is just a listing, I have not derived clues from it. Char List: List of all lines directly mentioning individual mafia members. Mr. Blue, Mr. Orange etc. Match: Contains DT lists trimmed of all dead players. Ignore the extra stuff, they were things I was looking at at the very beginning. {The dialogues mention a "white van" [3,44], and MTF's profile has a picture containing a white van, Pink was a tentative link to Mr. Pink} | ||
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April 11 2008 01:23 GMT
#4104
On April 11 2008 10:06 Amber[LighT] wrote: No one finds it ironic that the suicidebomber killed our last detective?! almost like taunting us. At this point I think we have to assume that the mafia has at least a partial list of rolled townies Especially since they've been ignoring active townies for inactive ones, something that doesnt make sense as part of standard mafia strategy. | ||
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April 11 2008 02:11 GMT
#4114
On April 11 2008 10:40 Camlito wrote: Show nested quote + On April 08 2008 16:52 Camlito wrote: I'd like to emphasize this once more: We have the following certain information: EITHER one out of - imDerek - Evilmonkey - Alventenie is mafia, OR two out of - Chezinu - useLess - aZnvaLiaNce - fusionsdf are mafia. From among the second list, only one of useLess and aZnvaLiaNce can be mafia - not both -, and only one of Chezinu and fusionsdf can be mafia. At worst, we have a 1/7 chance to get a mafia from among these, a stunning 2/4 at best, so i emphatically suggest we take this path in our investigations. Keep your eyes open for evidence against any of these guys! My gut feeling says it's either useLess and fusionsdf or Evilmonkey, but it's just that: an unfounded gut feeling. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- We should really look at these lists more, as there is a much better chance. As i said before, useLess has a high chance of being mafia, as one of the clues i remember referred to a mafia being tossed aside, which indicates he is rather "useless". Ok 3rd time i will post this. Unless im missing something or this is a joke, this should be looked at. See where it sais "chezinu or fusionsdf" can be mafia? CHEZINU IS NOW DEAD! I don't know if people missed this, or i am an idiot, or both - but this should be looked at. Well I'm not mafia, so obviously you made a mistake. Can you go over how you got this more clearly, because at best, it seems like either me an chezinu were both mafia, or one of the list of - imDerek - Evilmonkey - Alventenie is mafia, and even then, I'm not sure how its supported. | ||
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April 11 2008 02:32 GMT
#4118
On April 11 2008 10:56 Amber[LighT] wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2008 10:23 fusionsdf wrote: On April 11 2008 10:06 Amber[LighT] wrote: No one finds it ironic that the suicidebomber killed our last detective?! almost like taunting us. At this point I think we have to assume that the mafia has at least a partial list of rolled townies Especially since they've been ignoring active townies for inactive ones, something that doesnt make sense as part of standard mafia strategy. How?! This makes no sense to me. We aren't posting these people's names all over the forum, unless I missed that post. araav + irc | ||
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April 11 2008 02:59 GMT
#4122
On April 11 2008 11:22 HeRoS)Pink wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2008 11:20 qrs wrote: On April 11 2008 11:11 fusionsdf wrote: Either one of you and Chezinu was Mafia and one of useless/aznvaliance was mafia as well, or one of the other three (going by those lists: I didn't see when they were originally posted). The thing is: whether you are Mafia or not, lynching you (out of the six) gives us the most information.Can you go over how you got this more clearly, because at best, it seems like either me and chezinu were both mafia, or one of the list of - imDerek - Evilmonkey - Alventenie is mafia True and you (fusion) really likes number (%) Here's mine for you you have 1/2 chances of being a mafioso which mean 50% which is better than any % you have found yet no, because you guys are misinterpreting wat scorch said. Lets start from the beginning For the Ace and Ghar DT lists, these 3 show up both times and could be potential mafia imDerek Evilmonkey Alventenie Whereas these occur once (and could potentially be mafia: useLess aZnvaLiaNce fusionsdf For the record, only chezinu is dead of the last 4. so that part is bullshit. now lets assign odds. First look at ghar. Ghar - 7(now 5) (1 Mafia) useLess aZnvaLiaNce Alventenie imDerek Evilmonkey. one of those is mafia leaving us with everyone on that list having a 1/5 chance of being mafia. so: useLess(1/5G) aZnvaLiaNce(1/5G) Alventenie(1/5G) imDerek(1/5G) Evilmonkey.(1/5G) For the Ace List: Ace - 7(now 4) (1 Mafia) Alventenie(1/4A) imDerek(1/4A) fusionsdf(1/4A) ~OpZ~ Evilmonkey.(1/4A) Each person on that list has 1/4 chance. This leaves us with the following odds: In descending order: Alventenie(1/5G)+(1/4A) imDerek(1/5G)+(1/4A) Evilmonkey.(1/5G)+(1/4A) fusionsdf(1/4A) useLess(1/5G) aZnvaLiaNce(1/5G) (1/5) +(1/4) is 9/20, but Im not sure thats the best way to express the relationship. Just from those two lists, you can see statistically Alventenie, imDerek and Evilmonkey are more likely suspects. Now, if Alventenie, imDerek or Evilmonkey are mafia, we can confirm everyone else is innocent. Likewise, if all three of those are innocent, NOTE: ALL THREE, then one of useLess(1/5G) aZnvaLiaNce(1/5G) is mafia, and I am automatically mafia. But all three of those people would have to be innocent. Luckily, I am in the unique position where I know I am not mafia, and can therefore add useLess(1/5G) aZnvaLiaNce(1/5G) to my innocent list. (which sucks, cause they were pretty high up on my suspect list. TL;DR version: If fusionsdf is mafia, Alventenie(1/5G)+(1/4A), imDerek(1/5G)+(1/4A), Evilmonkey.(1/5G)+(1/4A) are innocent, and one of useLess(1/5G) or aZnvaLiaNce(1/5G) are mafia If useLess(1/5G) is mafia, Alventenie(1/5G)+(1/4A), imDerek(1/5G)+(1/4A), Evilmonkey.(1/5G)+(1/4A) and aZnvaLiaNce(1/5G) are innocent and fusionsdf(1/4A) is mafia. If aZnvaLiaNce(1/5G) is mafia, Alventenie(1/5G)+(1/4A), imDerek(1/5G)+(1/4A), Evilmonkey.(1/5G)+(1/4A) and useLess(1/5G) are innocent, fusionsdf(1/4A) is mafia. If useLess(1/5G), aZnvaLiaNce(1/5G), or Alventenie(1/5G) is mafia, everyone else is innocent. _________________________ Keep in mind that none of us are in the mandalor list, so the odds of any of us being mafia is about 1/10. | ||
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April 11 2008 03:04 GMT
#4123
On April 11 2008 11:56 qrs wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2008 11:43 Amber[LighT] wrote: On April 11 2008 11:32 fusionsdf wrote: On April 11 2008 10:56 Amber[LighT] wrote: On April 11 2008 10:23 fusionsdf wrote: On April 11 2008 10:06 Amber[LighT] wrote: No one finds it ironic that the suicidebomber killed our last detective?! almost like taunting us. At this point I think we have to assume that the mafia has at least a partial list of rolled townies Especially since they've been ignoring active townies for inactive ones, something that doesnt make sense as part of standard mafia strategy. How?! This makes no sense to me. We aren't posting these people's names all over the forum, unless I missed that post. araav + irc So why aren't we targeting him? Did we decide it was okay to kill off all the players with special roles? Even if he's a townie that's shitty to do. Because we don't know what happened. araav says it wasn't him. Ace sort of maybe says that the blues weren't in the channel, or only some of the blues were in the channel, I don't know. I think regardless of what Ace says, the odds of mafia getting this lucky with kills.....well its really fucking low. So obviously a leak exists somewhere. Im not going to call for araav to be lynched because we are divided enough as far as targets go right now anyways, but it seems to me that either araav is mafia, or Ace is mafia. (Or there is some other leak we arent aware of, like a mafia making it through Ace's filter system) If we run out of clues or dont have any leads, it would probably be best to follow the mandalor list and assume a role-leak in order to have good odds. | ||
fusionsdf
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April 11 2008 03:48 GMT
#4129
On April 11 2008 12:20 Plexa wrote: People, fuck the lists. They are a great aid but we shouldn't be pushing them any further. Rather than take a guess and go "OH EASY 1/3 CHANCE = INSTA WIN" sit back, check the players, and see what the clues spell out. Rational arguments based on clues are hard to deny, argue or even counter. On that note L is mafioso. Yes Cottonmouth threw 15 knives, but the important thing how the clues are worded. Why say that he threw 3 knives into each of his legs and 3 into his back? Why is it worded so? Summing the numbers stated you get 12 and given the lack of evidence pertaining to L this is a damming clue against him. This clue is very much alike to Queasy and Sidewinder and should not be lightly dismissed simply. Sorry plexa, but I have no idea how you can push something that shaky you basically have 12 = mafia L = 12 which is pretty flawed first of all, its not 12, since you are willfully ignoring daggers to further a theory. Second, the 12 could equally apply to wizard, or hey shallow[bay] has 12 characters in his name! Lets lynch him instead! Third, we have way better fucking clues than this. | ||
fusionsdf
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April 11 2008 03:55 GMT
#4132
and hotzhot: Quote : I only smile in the darK so its still not very strong | ||
fusionsdf
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April 11 2008 04:06 GMT
#4138
None of us are in the mandalo lists, so you are effectively chasing after 7 mafia hiding among 63 townie positions, instead of the 10 mafia hiding in only 37 townies among the mandalor list. If you dont have any strong clues, youre better off choosing someone from the mandalor list | ||
fusionsdf
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April 11 2008 04:13 GMT
#4140
On April 11 2008 12:58 Camlito wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2008 12:55 fusionsdf wrote: yeah, but that grin applies equally to unforgiven who has as a quote, and hotzhot: Quote : I only smile in the darK so its still not very strong Ok thanks, but do you know where it came from? (Like what clue on what day so i can read it). -SMILEY SMILEY [2,11]He tried to find the shotgun he had stashed in his closet but only found a smiley in its place. GRIN [4,7]Enigma ||grinned|| back at him and motioned someone to come to him. Eddie and Taipan Snake walked around the corner. | ||
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April 11 2008 04:59 GMT
#4153
On April 11 2008 13:56 Plexa wrote: + Show Spoiler [eddie] + Eddie stood in front of them, gun pointing to Chuiu, ready to shoot at a moments notice. "We don't like the way you're running things, and its time for change, either you submit and follow my leadership or you get to taste lead for dinner". Solemn but seeing a promising future the two returned to the room where Eddie and Joe were starting to lay out plans. Eddie, the fourth man, defended him and sprinted toward Yogurt expecting an easy fight. He was surprised to find that, although quite drunk, Yogurt had only lost the capacity to feel pain. With each attack Yogurt made a crazy and elaborate counter. Eddie made a lucky kick knocking Yogurt to the ground and went back to Black Mamba to get some help. Yogurt was just getting started as he approached Black Mamba and Eddie. He kicked Eddie aside as he was helping Black Mamba recover from the stone that struck his face and stumbled but still managed to make an easy round house kick to knock Black Mamba back down. He moved toward Eddie readying himself for another fight but was tripped by Black Mambas flailing legs. Eddie was up at that point, however, and began kicking Yogurt in the gut. Black Mamba felt his way up and began kicking Yogurt in the back to compliment Eddies assault. They both took their turns dealing with Yogurt but when Eddie noticed Yogurt manage to pull some sort of switch out of his pocket he yelled at Black Mamba to back off. They backed away from Yogurt and watched in anticipation expecting him to set off a bomb attached to his chest. He hit the switch and an explosion sent shock waves from across town. Eddie half-panicked and shot Yogurt in the face as he motioned everyone to retreat. As if the last couple events weren't out of the blue enough for him Frenh_Toast found himself being dragged to the nearest window. Eddie smashed the glass of the window and Taipan Snake grabbed French_Toast's head and they both used the remaining broken glass in the window pane to stab his neck with. It wasn't until they threw him through the window and he landed on his neighbors lawn darts did French_Toast die though. Eddie and Taipan Snake walked around the corner. "Oh I see you have friends" said Empyrean, now realized how screwed he was. "Yeah they're pretty cool guys, always ready to help" Lenwe snatched up the piece of rebar and Mr. Red retreated to the new threat he posed. Eddie wasn't afraid to take on Lenwe, however, and charged strait at him grabbing the steel bar right out of his hand and knocking him to the ground with it. A few well placed blows and Lenwe was dead as well. - Seems to be the leader of the group - No preferred method of killing (darts/glass, steel bar and kicking so far) - Seems to be very strong Here we go.... The clue persist to Asian Valiance's name. It fits the characterisation of a leader, one eager to fight and one thats not afraid (of lenwe). Definition, valiance means "The qualities of a hero or heroine; exceptional or heroic courage when facing danger (especially in battle)". lol and yet he half-panicked and shot yogurt in the face | ||
fusionsdf
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April 11 2008 05:01 GMT
#4154
a) got a lucky kick b) got a lucky shot on yogurt means we should look for luck as a clue for eddie | ||
fusionsdf
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April 11 2008 05:03 GMT
#4157
Solemn but seeing a promising future the two returned to the room where Eddie and Joe were starting to lay out plans. and those are the kinds of quotes Im pointing to. Not a single person here can say that "Solemn but seeing a promising future" isnt a clue. Things like that are what we should be looking at | ||
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April 11 2008 05:07 GMT
#4159
On April 11 2008 14:05 Plexa wrote: Show nested quote + the fact that Yogurt was our mad hatter and characterised as a good fighter means the luck clues are someone less strongOn April 11 2008 14:01 fusionsdf wrote: to me, the fact that he a) got a lucky kick b) got a lucky shot on yogurt means we should look for luck as a clue for eddie secondly thats was o-n-e night not all nights. Hence luck has very very little to do with eddie and the luck can be dismissed as filler how so? Its not like shooting someone in the face on a lucky shot is valiant You are starting with suspects, and trying to link clues to them. And thats a mistake. and luck is not a filler. If you think it is, I highly suggest you look at the game one wrap up | ||
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April 11 2008 05:09 GMT
#4163
On April 11 2008 14:07 Plexa wrote: Show nested quote + Awesome sdf now link it to a mafia, ill help you, it links to The Wolf and Taipan. Not eddie, nor joe. Its plot filler.On April 11 2008 14:03 fusionsdf wrote: Solemn but seeing a promising future the two returned to the room where Eddie and Joe were starting to lay out plans. and those are the kinds of quotes Im pointing to. Not a single person here can say that "Solemn but seeing a promising future" isnt a clue. Things like that are what we should be looking at no its not I'll fucking sig bet you at the end of the game chuiu will reveal it and its going to read out "Solemn(name1) but seeing a promising future(name2)" Those are clues and traits we should look for, no matter which particular mafia it links too, instead of following half baked theories | ||
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April 11 2008 05:13 GMT
#4165
On April 11 2008 14:08 Plexa wrote: Show nested quote + I've seen the game one wrap up and there were PERSISTENT THEMES which linked to mafia. Not strange one offs - those turned out to be red herringsOn April 11 2008 14:07 fusionsdf wrote: On April 11 2008 14:05 Plexa wrote: On April 11 2008 14:01 fusionsdf wrote: the fact that Yogurt was our mad hatter and characterised as a good fighter means the luck clues are someone less strongto me, the fact that he a) got a lucky kick b) got a lucky shot on yogurt means we should look for luck as a clue for eddie secondly thats was o-n-e night not all nights. Hence luck has very very little to do with eddie and the luck can be dismissed as filler how so? Its not like shooting someone in the face on a lucky shot is valiant You are starting with suspects, and trying to link clues to them. And thats a mistake. and luck is not a filler. If you think it is, I highly suggest you look at the game one wrap up Yeah and it just happens to link eddie with luck twice and we have spare sentences like: [1,2]Chuiu and DapperDan were betrayed by their own comrades, and now their ||lives hanged on the balance.|| and you want to throw it away for a valiant thing thats contradicted by your own quote. I really like how you try to argue panicking and shooting someone is valiant. No. Fucking. Sense. Just so you can steer it to suspects youve already chosen, when you have less than a 5% of finding a mafia among those 6. | ||
fusionsdf
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April 11 2008 05:19 GMT
#4170
I see five medic actions, which looks correct and 11 mafia actions (when they should only have 8) Is that the problem? What does it indicate? | ||
fusionsdf
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April 11 2008 05:22 GMT
#4173
On April 11 2008 14:18 Plexa wrote: Show nested quote + Wow wtf fusion? Huge oversight on your behalf...On April 11 2008 14:13 fusionsdf wrote: On April 11 2008 14:08 Plexa wrote: On April 11 2008 14:07 fusionsdf wrote: I've seen the game one wrap up and there were PERSISTENT THEMES which linked to mafia. Not strange one offs - those turned out to be red herringsOn April 11 2008 14:05 Plexa wrote: On April 11 2008 14:01 fusionsdf wrote: the fact that Yogurt was our mad hatter and characterised as a good fighter means the luck clues are someone less strongto me, the fact that he a) got a lucky kick b) got a lucky shot on yogurt means we should look for luck as a clue for eddie secondly thats was o-n-e night not all nights. Hence luck has very very little to do with eddie and the luck can be dismissed as filler how so? Its not like shooting someone in the face on a lucky shot is valiant You are starting with suspects, and trying to link clues to them. And thats a mistake. and luck is not a filler. If you think it is, I highly suggest you look at the game one wrap up Yeah and it just happens to link eddie with luck twice and we have spare sentences like: [1,2]Chuiu and DapperDan were betrayed by their own comrades, and now their ||lives hanged on the balance.|| and you want to throw it away for a valiant thing thats contradicted by your own quote. I really like how you try to argue panicking and shooting someone is valiant. No. Fucking. Sense. Just so you can steer it to suspects youve already chosen, when you have less than a 5% of finding a mafia among those 6. There is a 1/6% chance of one of those people being mafia. I took the names from the list where there are KNOWN MAFIA and analysed them because everyone is so hung up over these lists. If you want to link eddie to luck, be my guest. imo he very well could be Lostyourskills (as he was lucky on night two and now is growing more habitual) but cmon fusion, offer SOME analysis insted of half baked quasi-conjecture. "WOW THERE IS LUCK IN DAY 2 OMG" doesn't get us anywhere, take it that step further - how does it link to someone? etcetcetc The fact that eddie "half-panicked" and not "panicked" is enough to create doubt around your attack i think. Furthermore, it fits the plotline that they need to his yogurt some time so he can flip the switch. he half-panicked and not full-panicked so now he is valiant? | ||
fusionsdf
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April 11 2008 05:23 GMT
#4176
On April 11 2008 14:16 Camlito wrote: nemY's Public Profile: ~You're in my soul~ ~You're in my mind~ ~But I don't know where you are now King brown snake is known to meet face to face, and fall over at times, which is where the "But i don't know where you are now" comes from. meeting, especially face to face eye to eye and that sort of thing shows up A LOT So if you can link this to someone its huge. Unfortunately, unless you have more, thats not a huge link | ||
fusionsdf
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April 11 2008 05:27 GMT
#4178
On April 11 2008 14:23 Ace wrote: Show nested quote + On April 11 2008 14:19 fusionsdf wrote: could you explain this a little bit more? I see five medic actions, which looks correct and 11 mafia actions (when they should only have 8) Is that the problem? What does it indicate? The first 6 all make sense with what we know - 1 kill for each and a 2nd listing for Lenwe since he took a hit. The last 5 are odd. The Mafia have/had a killing power of 9. The PMs I got add up to 11 actions. One of the 3 medics I told to protect Plexa is lying, and/or the Jack and th medic I told to protect him is lying. I don't know if he really assumed Vet status and got hit, or both since I don't know how Chuiu decides. If the Jack turned Vet and got hit, does 1 protection count or is the vet extra life counted first? If the extra life is counted first does that mean the medic is still informed and the target(Jack) also? shit. Just a scenario: so it looks like perhaps at the start of the game a medic was afk, and a mafia claimed his role? Do the medics or jack in question have access to the list of town roles? More importantly Were any of those three in the chatroom/knew about the chatroom when araav invaded? | ||
fusionsdf
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April 11 2008 05:33 GMT
#4180
On April 11 2008 14:24 Plexa wrote: Show nested quote + Looking at a macroscopic picture of eddie rather than a microscopic.On April 11 2008 14:22 fusionsdf wrote: On April 11 2008 14:18 Plexa wrote: On April 11 2008 14:13 fusionsdf wrote: Wow wtf fusion? Huge oversight on your behalf...On April 11 2008 14:08 Plexa wrote: On April 11 2008 14:07 fusionsdf wrote: I've seen the game one wrap up and there were PERSISTENT THEMES which linked to mafia. Not strange one offs - those turned out to be red herringsOn April 11 2008 14:05 Plexa wrote: On April 11 2008 14:01 fusionsdf wrote: the fact that Yogurt was our mad hatter and characterised as a good fighter means the luck clues are someone less strongto me, the fact that he a) got a lucky kick b) got a lucky shot on yogurt means we should look for luck as a clue for eddie secondly thats was o-n-e night not all nights. Hence luck has very very little to do with eddie and the luck can be dismissed as filler how so? Its not like shooting someone in the face on a lucky shot is valiant You are starting with suspects, and trying to link clues to them. And thats a mistake. and luck is not a filler. If you think it is, I highly suggest you look at the game one wrap up Yeah and it just happens to link eddie with luck twice and we have spare sentences like: [1,2]Chuiu and DapperDan were betrayed by their own comrades, and now their ||lives hanged on the balance.|| and you want to throw it away for a valiant thing thats contradicted by your own quote. I really like how you try to argue panicking and shooting someone is valiant. No. Fucking. Sense. Just so you can steer it to suspects youve already chosen, when you have less than a 5% of finding a mafia among those 6. There is a 1/6% chance of one of those people being mafia. I took the names from the list where there are KNOWN MAFIA and analysed them because everyone is so hung up over these lists. If you want to link eddie to luck, be my guest. imo he very well could be Lostyourskills (as he was lucky on night two and now is growing more habitual) but cmon fusion, offer SOME analysis insted of half baked quasi-conjecture. "WOW THERE IS LUCK IN DAY 2 OMG" doesn't get us anywhere, take it that step further - how does it link to someone? etcetcetc The fact that eddie "half-panicked" and not "panicked" is enough to create doubt around your attack i think. Furthermore, it fits the plotline that they need to his yogurt some time so he can flip the switch. he half-panicked and not full-panicked so now he is valiant? You've always analysed based on the microscope, great, more power to you. I generally analyse on the macroscope and get a general picture. So far im 2-1 in my "100% mafia" lists; i'm yet to see anything from you yet Let's start right now. One of my initial suspects for eddie was lostyourskills after day 1 (chuiu had lost his mayoral skills). Now, however, it seems that eddies luck has turned into skill ala his quote. your opinion please? I've been selfish to prevent getting killed by mafia after a failed presidential campaign, and as such have been unable to sway the town to vote for a specific person. I admire your detective skills, obviously it took both of us to do so well last game. But I think by looking for suspects before looking for clues, your making a mistake. And while statistics arent everything, the first three guys that appear on both lists have a 50% chance of being mafia out of all of us, I have a 25% chance the other 2 have a 20% chance. but that masks the fact that there are only 1 maybe 2 mafia in this group. The mandalor list contains many more mafia. However, if you want to lynch someone from the list (I'm being selfish here) You should lynch either Useless or asian valiance, since knowing either of their alliances will give you concrete proof of the allegiance of the other 5. If useLess(1/5G) is mafia, Alventenie(1/5G)+(1/4A), imDerek(1/5G)+(1/4A), Evilmonkey.(1/5G)+(1/4A) and aZnvaLiaNce(1/5G) are innocent and fusionsdf(1/4A) is mafia. If aZnvaLiaNce(1/5G) is mafia, Alventenie(1/5G)+(1/4A), imDerek(1/5G)+(1/4A), Evilmonkey.(1/5G)+(1/4A) and useLess(1/5G) are innocent, fusionsdf(1/4A) is mafia. If either of those 2 are mafia, then so am I. If either one of them are innocent, then so am I. | ||
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April 11 2008 05:40 GMT
#4183
On April 11 2008 14:28 Ace wrote: 1.) Only the Jack knew of the chatroom 2.) The jack didn't have access to the list 3.) we already know there is a lying Medic in the bunch It seems unlikely that araav could sneak in without a mole inside. Perhaps lying medic + jack? but that would be an extremely unlikely compromise of the filter system. We established earlier that it was smartest for mafia to mostly claim townie (still an advantage to town) but it was a disadvantage for all mafia to claim townie (since you could verify all townie roles, and by claiming a few special roles, they slowly sacrifice members to create confusion) Mandalor, I think proved that they were trying to claim special roles. Is it possible that two were successful? It seems with the ratio we are seeing (14 green, 13 blue) that there almost must be a mole with access to at least a partial role list. If you can determine who is a potential mole that would have access to the role lists (or at least would know which dead blues were blue) then we could stop the problem. We started out with a strong system, but moles inside the filter is like a leak in a boat. | ||
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April 11 2008 05:42 GMT
#4184
On April 11 2008 14:08 Camlito wrote: the red moon stared them back in the face like a terrifying omen That was from day 1, i find the sentence suspicious myself. Edit: Could it be nemy? A red haired person staring at herself in a mirror - just a thought. keep in mind that red moon could also relate to lunatic terrifying omen could relate to religion (there are quite a few religious clues I think, but I dont have them ordered) | ||
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April 11 2008 05:46 GMT
#4188
On April 11 2008 14:38 Plexa wrote: ok, seeing as you can comprehend the statistiscs If aznvaliance is mafia then what does that mean? I am mafia, everyone else is innocent IF evilmonkey is mafia then what does that mean? everyone else is innocent Assuming you, imderek and alventenie are innocent what does that mean? it means useless and aznvaliance is innocent as well. Mafia must be Evil Monkey. | ||
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April 11 2008 05:47 GMT
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April 11 2008 06:29 GMT
#4203
On April 11 2008 14:49 Plexa wrote: ok <font size='4'>WITHDRAW VOTES FROM AZNVALIANCE</font> today we should be voting seifu + evilmonkey unless someone has any objections? EVERYONE: I reccomend you first vote: evilmonkey second vote: seifu Even though I normally disagree with plexa, I think this is a sound decision. | ||
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April 11 2008 07:11 GMT
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April 11 2008 14:58 GMT
#4235
havent been able to relate it to anything though | ||
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April 12 2008 15:09 GMT
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April 12 2008 15:11 GMT
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April 12 2008 15:13 GMT
#4314
On April 12 2008 23:13 MTF wrote: Aznvaliance made the first post about TranceStorm's name being connected to electricity. LTT posted the same idea a few pages later, but didn't seem too convinced of it. Naib was advocating a double lynch to get both Useless (confirmed innocent now) and TranceStorm or Energies. Nothing solid on him, but his post rings of false enthusiasm to me. I'll look to see if I can connect anything to chess, royalty, or things that begin one way many times but always end up different later. Nobody else really seems to have pushed for TranceStorm's demise. GeneralStan questioned Ace's role after Ace told everyone to lynch Mandalor. BlindAlbino questioned Mandalors' guilt and then stated he believes str to be Mafia. Infundibulum made what could be interpreted as an almost passive-aggressive remark about Mandalor being doomed, then went on to accuse Ghar, str, Energies, Kau, and LostYourSkills. Nobody else made any remarks of note that I saw. Nobody tried to stand in the way of Evilmonkey going down either, from what I saw. AznValiance is now officially innocent with the death of evilmonkey. | ||
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April 12 2008 15:36 GMT
#4315
Subject: Re: Detective Ability Date: 4/2/08 03:13 1. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: How many mafia voted for Ace on Day 3? old message: MTF SpiritoftheTuna d.arkive Pangolin(2) Plexa ~OpZ~ NatsuTerran Eti307 Empyrean JoxxOr Romance_us BloodyC0bbler are all confirmed innocent ------------- uh-oh | ||
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April 12 2008 18:59 GMT
#4322
On April 13 2008 01:31 Camlito wrote: Show nested quote + On April 13 2008 00:36 fusionsdf wrote: From: New104 Subject: Re: Detective Ability Date: 4/2/08 03:13 1. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: How many mafia voted for Ace on Day 3? old message: MTF SpiritoftheTuna d.arkive Pangolin(2) Plexa ~OpZ~ NatsuTerran Eti307 Empyrean JoxxOr Romance_us BloodyC0bbler are all confirmed innocent ------------- uh-oh Btw what does this actually mean? it seems ace is asking how many are innocent, and new replied 1 as in 1 is mafia.. it was one of the early DT list checks. New 104 asked chuiu how many mafia were on that list, and chuiu apparently said 0. New104 is dead, so we know he wasnt mafia, so was the error by chuiu, by ace? In any case, for now I am not assuming anyone on that list is innocent | ||
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April 12 2008 21:43 GMT
#4331
On April 13 2008 04:16 aZnvaLiaNce wrote: Show nested quote + On April 13 2008 03:59 fusionsdf wrote: On April 13 2008 01:31 Camlito wrote: On April 13 2008 00:36 fusionsdf wrote: From: New104 Subject: Re: Detective Ability Date: 4/2/08 03:13 1. ----------------------------------------- Original Message: How many mafia voted for Ace on Day 3? old message: MTF SpiritoftheTuna d.arkive Pangolin(2) Plexa ~OpZ~ NatsuTerran Eti307 Empyrean JoxxOr Romance_us BloodyC0bbler are all confirmed innocent ------------- uh-oh Btw what does this actually mean? it seems ace is asking how many are innocent, and new replied 1 as in 1 is mafia.. it was one of the early DT list checks. New 104 asked chuiu how many mafia were on that list, and chuiu apparently said 0. New104 is dead, so we know he wasnt mafia, so was the error by chuiu, by ace? In any case, for now I am not assuming anyone on that list is innocent Ace - 7 Chezinu Alventenie imDerek TranceStorm fusionsdf ~OpZ~(2) Evilmonkey. New104 asked to check this list. 1 was on this list and that's Evilmonkey. No error there. I wasnt talking about that list: I was talking about another one. Now I just need to figure out where I got it. | ||
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April 12 2008 21:44 GMT
#4332
On April 13 2008 06:28 ~OpZ~ wrote: Show nested quote + On April 12 2008 23:09 HeRoS)Pink wrote: On April 12 2008 23:00 MTF wrote: L led the way against Ghar, but it was a seemingly good clue. Eti307 supported him quite a bit and at the same time pointed the finger at ShadowDrgn. D.arkive also posted not too much later in support of L's finding, though this still does not prove L is guilty. Plexa needs to tell us who sent him + Show Spoiler [this message.] + Original Message: hi! i just read your latest post. i'd like to direct your attention towards ghar's signature, which you seem to have left out of your reasoning: "All right, theyre on our left, theyre on our right, theyre in front of us, theyre behind us...they cant get away this time." this is a quote by some reckless general whose troops are surrounded by enemies, but who still remains positive and not afraid of losing. now when you connect this to mr. pink's traits... Traits - Seems to be well composed - Not phased by death, (necessary change?) - Able fighter (- Potentially one of the four horsemen of the apocalypse) ... i think this fits the second and third trait quite well. the general isn't afraid of dying, even though outnumbered. and, as a professional soldier, he is a good fighter as well. furthermore, as SoMuchBetter said, Ghar is currently inactive due to a martial arts appointment. i have no idea if Chuiu knew this and would use this as a hint, but Ghar being a fighter himself would fit Mr.Pink's third character trait perfectly. and say what you will, but the picture of him holding the scalp of a chopped-off head fits just too well. Whoever it was, they were dedicated to Ghar taking the fall. Looking into others... I dont think Eti307 is mafia Reason : iirc, he was part of the mafia last game and he never said anything. dunno why he would do such accusations if he was mafia My reasons better...Darkive or w/e his name is death on a list with 1 mafia in which Eti307 also voted for... edit: New's list That list was supposed to have 0 innocents, and had d.arkive. For that reason, I am not trusting it right now. i.e., that list is from the false jack | ||
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April 12 2008 21:49 GMT
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April 12 2008 22:06 GMT
#4337
On March 25 2008 17:39 Ace wrote: Show nested quote + On March 25 2008 17:31 wurm wrote: On March 25 2008 17:21 MoRe_mInErAls wrote: On March 25 2008 17:19 wurm wrote: lol im a suspect. First point: I abstained from voting because, at the beginning, i didn't really like the way you handled things. Now that Mandalor was proven to be Mafia, i'm beginning to like you as Mayor. Second point: I, along with a few others, don't like your system of finding Mafia. Yes, it does work, but it's not my cup of tea. Last game was quite addicting considering townies lost, but it was still addicting. Besides, you already have a mob of followers so my one vote obviously won't make a difference seeing as Day voting was 70+ for Mandalor and only 7 for Ghar. So yeah, I kinda like doing my own thing. Funny how doing this = mafioso. Either you are with us, or you are with the So... hard... to... choose. Seriously though, just because i didn't pm a role to Ace isn't exactly concrete evidence. either way you're almost guaranteed to be Suspect #1 tomorrow. And I think you are being either incredibly stupid or suspicious. I'm going to explain why right now. This is so far, what I know about the Mafia kill list for night 1 looking like: 1.)Mynock 2.)goldenkrnboi 3.)NeaX 4.)Yogurt 5.)OneBlueAugust 6.)X 7.)Y 8.) 9.) 8 and 9 are unexplained, and possible that Mafia sent in more than 1 hit against one of those names. Out of X and Y, one of those names said they got a PM from you claiming to be a Paramedic. So that person survived one hit against them and lived, and got a PM from you saying you're a paramedic that protected them. Interesting. Because that same person also got another PM from another Paramedic claiming they also protected him. Strange. On the first night, the Mafia sent out a kill list with the same person listed TWICE instead of exercising full power? Doubt it. That kill list would look like this: 1.)Mynock 2.)goldenkrnboi 3.)NeaX 4.)Yogurt 5.)OneBlueAugust 6.)X 7.)Y 8.)Y 9.) So I posted that we've got a Medic problem, and PM'd you to ask you your role after you've been dodging the question for days and you still won't answer me. I think you're scum because at this point I doubt any townie would avoid something that would obviously clear up so much confusion. If you really are a medic, then the suspicion stays on you and Mafia probably wont kill you tonight. If you aren't a medic and a vigilante doesn't kill you tonight, then you are certainly on the chopping block tomorrow. And by that point I wouldn't really care what your role was because your excuse is bullshit. Good riddance ^_^ Ace, just brininging up this old post. We know wurm was a paramedic. It seems to me that the medic who disagreed with him is false. | ||
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April 12 2008 22:16 GMT
#4338
He did. Martial. | ||
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April 13 2008 00:20 GMT
#4343
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April 13 2008 02:11 GMT
#4347
On April 13 2008 10:15 HeRoS)Pink wrote: Show nested quote + On April 10 2008 21:50 Plexa wrote: + Show Spoiler [Snake Charmer] + Snake Charmer came in with a sword in hand and they saw Cottonmouth with a belt of knives and half a moment later Mr. White came in and closed the door. Snake Charmer wasn't just standing idle though as he slashed away at goldenkrnboi giving him one gruesome gash after another. He was just about dead when Mr. White stomped goldenkrnboi's head in finishing him off. - Uses swords (- Possible kill bill reference) (- Not present in opening night) At first I was Searching for someone who was causing shock, repugnance. (So no Fek) But one word just retain my attention : Idle Why using such a useless word. So I remember seeing something about lazyness in a quote It was from ieatkids5 Quote : Procrastination - Hard work often pays off after time, but laziness always pays off now. We doesnt have really much information about Snake Charmer atm, but i would say its a stronger clue than all the others I have brought yet. Edit : I just realise that his name could provoke shock and repugnance I actually agree with this :< | ||
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April 13 2008 04:08 GMT
#4369
On April 13 2008 11:25 Camlito wrote: [3,31]Next door French_Toast was grabbing a midnight snack. Do clues like this still work in this game? (this clue relates to midnightgladius). we dont know. There are two camps. One says that all non mafia sentences are filler, and we should only look at clues and traits that are linked to specific mafia. The other says that, looking at the last mafia game, clues are to be found even in "extra" sentences, and we should look for a repeat of clues, in the form of extraneous and out of place words, and not just at specific mafia behaviour. | ||
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April 13 2008 04:25 GMT
#4372
I really think anything linked to that is solid | ||
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April 13 2008 04:48 GMT
#4375
On April 13 2008 13:46 Plexa wrote: Show nested quote + And there is a third camp which suggests the two camps are not mutually inclusiveOn April 13 2008 13:08 fusionsdf wrote: On April 13 2008 11:25 Camlito wrote: [3,31]Next door French_Toast was grabbing a midnight snack. Do clues like this still work in this game? (this clue relates to midnightgladius). we dont know. There are two camps. One says that all non mafia sentences are filler, and we should only look at clues and traits that are linked to specific mafia. The other says that, looking at the last mafia game, clues are to be found even in "extra" sentences, and we should look for a repeat of clues, in the form of extraneous and out of place words, and not just at specific mafia behaviour. And a fourth camp that says they are not mutually exclusive :D | ||
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April 13 2008 18:25 GMT
#4408
General Stan RtS)Night[Mare ieatkids5 ShaLLoW[baY] Romance_us suresh0t MidnightGladius Last Romantic LostYourSKills MTF unforgiven_ve SpiritoftheTuna | ||
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April 13 2008 20:30 GMT
#4414
On April 14 2008 04:32 0cz3c wrote: Fusion, does the space fragment between the two show that the bottom is more certain, or the top, or does it not have any significance (personally to me the top seems more convincing (most have clues linked to them that have been mentioned several times (with the exception of shallow -- his behavior just DOES NOT SEEM to be behavior of a mafia) seem strong), but that's a larger field than the out-of-four). top is more certain And I think they are all in the mandalor list as well | ||
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April 14 2008 01:25 GMT
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April 14 2008 01:33 GMT
#4427
On April 14 2008 09:50 HeRoS)Pink wrote: god so long before the day post, I can't wait to see if I'm dead spend your time reading my mafia blog! http://teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=69426 | ||
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April 14 2008 05:27 GMT
#4436
holy shit I agree with this most solid thing right now IMO | ||
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April 14 2008 23:12 GMT
#4510
I doubt he is mafia, and if he is and wants to continue throwing away fellow mafia to preserve his life (unlikely) then its still worth it for us. if both turn out green, it looks very bad, but with a clue that solid, I dont think its very likely. | ||
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April 15 2008 00:14 GMT
#4516
nice catch... pretty big slip up lol | ||
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April 15 2008 01:22 GMT
#4530
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April 15 2008 16:46 GMT
#4592
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April 15 2008 20:08 GMT
#4605
hockey games, and almost day in mafia and no one is giving me games on iccup Im about to go crazy | ||
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April 15 2008 22:27 GMT
#4610
I didnt know shallow was suspicious about both me and plexa | ||
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April 16 2008 00:10 GMT
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April 16 2008 00:12 GMT
#4616
gunshots car alarm fire alarm beach music wtf | ||
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April 16 2008 02:02 GMT
#4636
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April 16 2008 02:03 GMT
#4637
pretty lame | ||
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April 16 2008 15:13 GMT
#4679
On April 16 2008 18:25 MTF wrote: Alright, guys, a quick note: Even though I don't think there are Mafia hiding without names anymore, I am completely certain that fusion was right in that clues are hidden in the day posts without being attached directly to anyone. My main piece of evidence is here: Show nested quote + He dodge three more nails flying at him and got out to the hallway. Noticing a mafia walking down from the break room he started heading down the opposite direction to the armory. Cottonmouth was in the hallway now and was about to throw another nail at New104 when The Wolf interrupted him. I always assumed this referred to The Wolf, as he is the next new person introduced. However, I am no longer convinced this is the case, as I've stated before that I feel Mr. White is lazy/late - hence a Mafia in the break room. hahaha If you think tat half is suspicious, look at the other half "he started heading down the opposite direction to the armory. " Armory? really? | ||
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April 16 2008 21:28 GMT
#4720
why is more_minerals voting for me when I'm confirmed innocent | ||
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April 16 2008 22:35 GMT
#4729
L is dying either way If he's mafia, hes just trying to trick you into giving up some information probably. | ||
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April 16 2008 23:42 GMT
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April 17 2008 02:11 GMT
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April 17 2008 02:32 GMT
#4750
I'm starting to believe this is strong too | ||
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April 17 2008 17:40 GMT
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April 17 2008 19:37 GMT
#4809
went from : On March 19 2008 11:26 BlindAlbino wrote:Well hopefully we can get a good mayor/pardoner this time around. Tracil was completely useless last game, and the whole lynching FS thing was a joke. If we are gonna elect someone, has to be someone that people actually like so we dont get another bandwagon lynch. I vote Ace for Mayor. to On March 24 2008 10:24 BlindAlbino wrote:what clue has been linked to mandalor? why so many vote? i still think str = mafia On March 24 2008 10:28 BlindAlbino wrote:would be like 500 china glasses breaking on asphault if ace trick us. On March 24 2008 16:16 BlindAlbino wrote:ok ace is deserve of respect seems. On March 25 2008 13:01 BlindAlbino wrote:if glass is under the construction site, its ok to smash anyway? On March 25 2008 22:07 BlindAlbino wrote:even 5000 marble do not make pyramid. lynch wurm without proof is rain storm On March 26 2008 12:00 BlindAlbino wrote:can mafia stop kill people -_- very annoying On March 26 2008 12:01 BlindAlbino wrote:I dont want die Empyraen from china On March 28 2008 12:12 BlindAlbino wrote:when the cow come home, its already past 12. On March 28 2008 12:21 BlindAlbino wrote:araav has explain to do like 500 rooster in the midle of stampede On April 02 2008 12:41 BlindAlbino wrote:how come mafia kill no one and who is new mr.lavender. 21 mafia name?? Remind me in Gobi desert. this mean all paramedics save target? On April 03 2008 23:51 BlindAlbino wrote:good job kill queasy. detective dropping like ball on child through puberty. how mafia get so luck i dont know. after new clue my big suspect str and energies, still bumatlarge suresh0t queasy no longer on suspect list becuz now he dead On April 06 2008 07:31 BlindAlbino wrote:Is in interest of all who condemn the future, and live in past, to become one vote from outer dimension. With open mind and furnished instincts we will find mafia this lynch. From apple to zebra we take one step at time until we fall down stairs or build foundation. with this in your mind you know its correct vote araav. On April 07 2008 08:33 BlindAlbino wrote:if it is finding down, you can look up to see clearly. what is plan of action ace? credit to http://teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?currentpage=1&topic_id=69736 | ||
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April 17 2008 23:11 GMT
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April 18 2008 01:51 GMT
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April 18 2008 05:21 GMT
#4830
On April 18 2008 13:59 araav wrote: provided as is - no warranty + Show Spoiler [list of posts made in this thread and…] + as of yesterday 1. ShaLLoW[baY] : 280 2. SoMuchBetter : 13 3. Eti307 : 22 4. HotZhot : 60 5. 6. clazziquai : 29 7. Dr.Dragoon : 17 8. CDRdude : 64 9. So no fek : 1 10. Fen : 2 11. ieatkids5 : 7 12. Wizard : 1 13. 14. imDerek : 15 15. 16. Puosu : 10 17. randombum (Pardoner) : 74 18. 19. ulszz : 6 20. 21. Alethios : 62 22. infinity21 : 0 23. Falcynn : 176 24. Alventenie : 43 25. 26. 27. nemY : 48 28. ZBiR : 37 29. SiZ.FaNtAsY : 2 30. 31. Energies : 19 32. 33. Amber[LighT] : 42 34. RtS)Night[Mare : 87 35. Vharox : 5 36. Unforgiven_ve : 14 37. fgsvsd : 1 38. KF91 : 6 39. Romance_us : 8 40. MasterOfChaos : 23 41. LTT : 43 42. SonuvBob : 0 43. NatsuTerran : 16 44. str : 1 45. smurfingchobo : 15 46. 47. Kuja900 : 12 48. qrs : 187 49. GranDim : 9 50. Artanis[Xp] : 38 51. araav : 71 52. iNfuNdiBuLuM : 26 53. Ace (Mayor) : 480 54. MTF : 99 55. MoRe_mInErAls : 33 56. Camlito : 77 57. LoStYouRSkiLLS : 5 58. Lysithea : 40 59. fanatacist : 34 60. SoleSteeler : 17 61. 62. 63. HeRoS)Pink : 205 64. KorvspaD : 0 65. 66. fusionsdf : 151 67. 0cz3c : 36 68. 69. 70. Bockit : 30 71. GeneralStan : 62 72. Ziel : 20 73. Hollander : 8 74. Supah : 1 75. 76. jtan : 0 77. 78. BWdero : 21 79. AcrossFiveJulys : 11 80. 81. 82. Ninja4ever. : 10 83. 84. JoxxOr : 15 85. ahrara_ : 98 86. 87. Pangolin : 63 88. Naib : 69 89. butidigress : 16 90. ~OpZ~ : 120 91. Scorch : 113 92. Jimtudor : 15 93. spoinka : 12 94. unsoundlogic : 10 95. 96. 97. suresh0t : 47 98. 99. DamageControL : 0 100. omfghi2u2 : 0 101. RowdierBob : 6 102. 103. SpiritoftheTuna : 30 104. AmorVincitOmnia : 0 105. Wysp : 17 106. BuGzlToOnl : 7 107. GrayArea : 7 108. 109. 110. crazie-penguin : 17 111. 112. 113. DTDominion : 2 114. zeks : 13 115. useLess : 27 116. Last Romantic : 0 117. 118. Plexa : 0 119. G.s)NarutO : 37 120. 121. 122. 123. Klive5ive : 26 124. 125. 126. 127. L : 0 128. 129. 130. rpf : 11 Plexa has 0 posts? somehow I doubt it :D | ||
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April 18 2008 05:28 GMT
#4831
On April 18 2008 14:18 araav wrote: http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?currentpage=2&topic_id=69736 read Ziel's posts - if you keep in mind he might be mafia, it becomes really funny BlindAlbino made the same claims I think its one of the few times the mafia made the mistake of uniting, and one of the few points where I would use psychology to further clues. Otherwise, the mafia have been smart enough to diversify to prevent such things. | ||
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April 18 2008 18:03 GMT
#4865
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April 19 2008 01:56 GMT
#4880
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April 19 2008 04:29 GMT
#4886
On April 19 2008 12:35 L wrote: Show nested quote + The name "pangolin" derives from the Malay word pengguling ("something that rolls up"). annnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnd? | ||
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April 19 2008 17:04 GMT
#4923
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April 20 2008 05:36 GMT
#4927
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April 20 2008 19:21 GMT
#4938
On April 21 2008 01:15 Plexa wrote: Show nested quote + The best bet is to lynch L + someone from the showtime list;On April 21 2008 00:42 Scorch wrote: L will definitely have to die unless a miracle happens and he somehow manages to save someone tonight. As for the second lynch, I currently feel the strongest about SoMuchBetter and Dr.Dragoon. But ulszz would probably be the best strategic decision. 8-CDRdude 19-ulszz 27-nemY(2) 48-qrs(2) 51-araav(2) 52-iNfuNdiBuLuM(2) 85-ahrara_(2) Seeing as ulszz is the strongest candidate i feel that he should be lynched, However if anyone wants to point me to a strongest suspect be my guest (keeping in mind that i think that ulszz > nightmare) I reccomend 19-ulszz 34-RtS)Night[Mare(2) 27-nemY(2) I think nightmare is stronger than nemy | ||
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April 20 2008 19:50 GMT
#4940
weve gone over the current clues pretty much as much as possible crazie-penguin wasnt in any of the lists, so we cant add any innocents We just have to wait for ace to declare double lynch and wait for tomorrow | ||
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April 20 2008 20:44 GMT
#4944
On April 21 2008 05:30 MTF wrote: Show nested quote + On April 21 2008 05:29 RtS)Night[Mare wrote: On April 21 2008 05:13 MTF wrote: O, and guys... He handed Sidewinder a drug to help him recover and started back to his van but Sidewinder reached into his coat pocket and pulled out a note. "LucasWoJ" was written on it and he quickly chased him and tackled him to the ground. We know that quote had nothing to do with Queasy. If Ulszz does come up mafia, I would consider this strong evidence that other mafia can and do get referred to indirectly, as Ulszz's quote says that he's a newb and needs reminding. sidewinder cant be the one needing reminding, as mr blue is the newb. :S Being exactly what I said. :p Queasy = Sidewinder who was the only Mafia on the scene at the time (Joe showed up later) Being reminded directly connects to Ulszz's quote, so all I'm saying is that if Ulszz comes up mafia, we can be pretty sure that there are clues we've missed by not looking everywhere. All of our mafia pinning thus far has only been on the traits that individual mafia have shown, not by related phrases/traits that have been shown while a different mafia was active. or you know, since its a note with someones name on it who dies because of the note almost like a deathnote | ||
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April 20 2008 22:52 GMT
#4951
if he turns up townie after being lynched, then we will look at his clue | ||
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April 20 2008 23:47 GMT
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April 21 2008 23:06 GMT
#4991
I looked into this, but it simply is not possible, and even raising it at this point is counter-productive. | ||
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April 22 2008 00:03 GMT
#4993
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April 22 2008 06:38 GMT
#5017
On April 22 2008 14:06 MTF wrote: Show nested quote + On April 22 2008 13:52 Bockit wrote: The fact that mafia *haven't sent in a hitlist* makes me think we should be looking at the completely inactive no-vote-no-post people for some mafia. #1 is actually possible, because the medic "who is protecting who" list went out yesterday while L was gone, so far as I know. Not saying it's the most likely, just that it's possible. :p As for the quoted part of your post, I agree. But you also need to match clues, as well. DamageControl as Mr. Black (all credits to Plexa), for instance, is very inactive in the thread, having never posted and never voted (despite posting on other parts of the site) and is personally a strong fit for his clues. Another pretty inactive person I feel strongly about being mafia is ieatkids5 as Mr. White. However, depending on what happens come day, L will either definitely be or definitely not be on the lynching agenda. The medic situation demands it, and the clues + situation so far as I've investigated all point to L being the only unconfirmed medic out of the original 8 (only 7 legit) that claimed the role. Either his innocence is proven tomorrow or we're gunning for him + one other. #1 makes sense if L is mafia and the mafia is still trying to save him. They need to know who he is protecting, so they can adjust the number of hits. | ||
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April 23 2008 01:01 GMT
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April 23 2008 06:33 GMT
#5031
G.s)NarutO was doing monk things in his monk place with his monk friends when he decided it was late and he wanted to go to sleep. lol | ||
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May 02 2008 02:48 GMT
#5230
On May 02 2008 11:23 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: ANYONE WHO DOESN'T VOTE IS AN STX_CHILD FAN Problem solved. I am an STX Child fan u.u | ||
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May 14 2008 21:50 GMT
#5521
Artanis[Xp] - Fuck you. lol | ||
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May 19 2008 09:06 GMT
#5601
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May 20 2008 03:18 GMT
#5606
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May 24 2008 08:20 GMT
#5778
hi plexa me and mtf are chilling in mafia heaven want to hang out? we totally know this whole mafia game inside and out to the point we dont care and we were all green and we were all awesome coincidence? I think not | ||
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June 17 2008 05:28 GMT
#6203
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June 17 2008 19:42 GMT
#6227
HOW COME I'M NEVER MENTIONED I DID STUFF | ||
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June 24 2008 23:34 GMT
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July 06 2008 04:48 GMT
#6448
On July 06 2008 13:34 Chuiu wrote: Just be glad I can't attack ground. 1v1 gogo? actually I think I'll lose | ||
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July 07 2008 20:35 GMT
#6478
ps: poster below me is mafia | ||
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July 07 2008 20:49 GMT
#6481
On July 08 2008 05:48 randombum wrote: Alventenie, if the inactives never signed up, mafia would have won already. IE theres like less than 10 active players at this point. if those people never signed up, there would be less mafia to begin with and they would all be dead | ||
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August 05 2008 15:35 GMT
#6893
<Ace> sup <Ace> I'll forward you 2 a PM from scorch <Ace> he wants to vote check who voted for me, (fusiondf) on day 4 <Ace> but I want to vote check TranceStorm's list <Lenwe> i think we should go with trance <Lenwe> more data there =/ <Ace> indeed <Ace> but the fusion check gets one out of that 7 ppl out of the way <Lenwe> that's true, but it only gets us 1 whatever the result <Ace> it knocks down the mafia killing power, but I dont know if that matters at this point <Ace> they never got 9 kills in a night <Lenwe> yeah, that is strange ------------ hmmm so I was an early suspect? I was wondering whether that would work out | ||
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