Team Liquid Mafia [gg]

On February 11 2008 13:46 Chuiu wrote:

Of course not. All roles are secret, thats what makes the game what it is.

Yup, I updated the OP.

On February 11 2008 13:58 Tracil wrote:
There's no rule against it, you can totally BS whether or not you have a role or not.

On February 11 2008 13:58 RtS)Night[Mare wrote:
when do the voting starts to lynch people

On February 11 2008 16:07 Chuiu wrote:
Mafia had been infesting the quiet town for the past decade taking up positions of importance and gaining trust through misguided joy and position.

On February 11 2008 16:07 Chuiu wrote:
A few of them laughed but one of them cut the laughter short, scolding them for their immature actions.

On February 12 2008 09:35 Caller wrote:
man this game is like fucking deathnote on crack

On February 12 2008 15:22 Dr.Dragoon wrote:

You don't have to lynch someone right away. Besides, another reason why you would be a bad mayor is that you suspect me so much anyways. The only real evidence is an obviously fake screen by shallow. The format is shady and doesn't follow the chain of events. Not to mention the writing is all off compared to mine. Shallow likes going around and accusing people and making joke accusations. There's also the fact that we haven't always gotten along, which could easily be the reason for him to target me.

On February 12 2008 16:33 infinity21 wrote:

Hey you, I already said I was a townie. You gonna lynch a fellow townie? >_<

On February 13 2008 01:17 wurm wrote:
Happy accusing people.

On February 13 2008 14:06 JeeJee wrote:


well, as i understand it, mafia can also have special roles yes? i simply said he had something to hide. also, is it possible for a paramedic to watch himself during the night? would that make him as veteran 2.0?

moreover, if pardoner is under effect of bodyguards (which i assume are randomly selected from townies with no special abilities), does he know who they are? it says only the mayor knows, but that doesn't make a lot of sense

just clarifying a few issues O_o

On February 14 2008 13:04 Empyrean wrote:
Well I hope the game doesn't die, then.

On February 15 2008 05:24 demonic_phate wrote:

217 BC - Battle of Raphia: Ptolemy IV of Egypt defeats Antiochus III the Great of the Seleucid kingdom
168 BC - Battle of Pydna: Romans under Lucius Aemilius Paullus defeat and capture Macedonian King Perseus, ending the Third Macedonian War
1593 - Battle of Sisak: Croat troops defeat the Turks
1633 - The Holy Office in Rome forces Galileo Galilei to recant his scientific view that the Sun, not the Earth, is the center of the Universe.
1783 - Poisonous cloud from Laki volcanic eruption in Iceland reaches Le Havre in France.
1812 - Napoleon declares war to Russia
1815 - Second abdication of Napoleon
1848 - Beginning of the June Days Uprising in Paris.
1866 - Battle of Custoza: an Austrian army defeats the Italian army during the Austro-Prussian War.
1893 - The Royal Navy battleship HMS Camperdown accidentally rams the British Mediterranean Fleet flagship HMS Victoria which sinks taking 358 crew with her, including the fleet's commander, Vice-Admiral Sir George Tryon.
1898 - Spanish-American War: United States Marines land in Cuba.
1918 - Hammond circus train wreck kills 86 and injures 127 near Hammond, Indiana.
1940 - France forced to sign the Second Compiègne armistice with Nazi Germany.
1941 - Nazi Germany invades the Soviet Union in Operation Barbarossa, one of the most dramatic turning points of World War II.
1941 - Various Communist and Socialist French Resistance movements merge to one group.
1944 - Opening day of the Soviet Union's Operation Bagration against Army Group Centre
1954 - Murder of Honora Parker in Christchurch (New Zealand)by her daughter Pauline Parker and her girlfriend Juliet Hulme,both 16 years old
1962 - An Air France Boeing 707 jet crashes in bad weather in Guadeloupe, West Indies killing 113
1969 - The Cuyahoga River caught fire, which triggered a crack-down on pollution in the river.
2002 - An earthquake in western Iran measuring 6.5 on the Richter scale kills more than 261 people.


all of these things happened on June 22nd
>.>

On February 15 2008 04:51 CDRdude wrote:
we'd better hope that a paramedic is watching over L2W. Although, if L2W dies, it'll prove his accusations correct.

On February 16 2008 09:20 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:


Try reading the first 50 pages and tell me it's not intense.

On February 17 2008 04:51 Yogurt wrote:


damn nice find

On February 17 2008 05:59 Vharox wrote:

Yawn... I was just bringing up clues.

On February 17 2008 06:26 Empyrean wrote:


He can still participate in non-lynch/vote type stuff after he's dead, so a mafia hit to stop someone from talking is useless.

On February 17 2008 07:50 Caller wrote:


can't be first night =/= vigilante

On February 09 2008 12:55 Chuiu wrote:
Vigilante - You have the ability to kill 2 people of your choice at any night phase in the game. You don't have to use both at once. But be careful, because a clue will be left behind that points to you for the mafia (or the town) to interpret. You must wait until the second night of the game to act, however.

On February 17 2008 08:59 CDRdude wrote:
Crap, I need to catch up on 10 pages of this, I've been doing other stuff. Any compelling conclusions?

A little more than a few hours later kAra was tossing in his sleep, artofmagic heard him from the next room and came in to see what was wrong.

On February 17 2008 09:59 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Wait can you use both votes on the same person?

A little more than a few hours later kAra was tossing in his sleep, artofmagic heard him from the next room and came in to see what was wrong.

On February 17 2008 14:30 Chuiu wrote:
one yelling and screaming for his life and bitter to the end, the other quiet and confused.

On February 17 2008 14:48 ulszz wrote:
Lol, well we got owned. At least I can say I didn't vote for either of them . Well, I originally voted for Dr. Dragoon but I changed it. It seems like the only real evidence we have at the moment is pointing towards NotSorry. I guess we will have to wait and see what tonight brings us though.

edit-added

On February 18 2008 05:33 Fishball wrote:


No point playing the game of words.
Lets just lynch you and we'll find out, right or wrong

On February 18 2008 12:04 demonic_phate wrote:

So your suggesting that whether or not you add an "n" to a if it proceeds certain words is totally random?
As with most grammatical rules in english, there are exceptions
EDIT: Damnit rpf beat me to it

On February 18 2008 12:11 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:


Because saying "I am about to make a proposal which you will be unable to turn down" is a lot less intimidating than "I'm gonna make you an offer you cannot refuse"

On February 19 2008 01:35 Romance_us wrote:
It makes the most logical sense to me that the people talking the MOST and stirring shit up are the most likely to be suspects. They have already edged us on to lynching two innocent people in one night. I certainly do not trust TRACIL or fakesteve for that matter.

And even if fakesteve is not mafioso, we clearly need a more level-headed mayor. He used one of his double-lynches to kill two innocent townies for Christ's sake!

On February 19 2008 11:41 Empyrean wrote:
Actually, form a mafia standpoint, it would probably make more sense to kill randomly in order to not have any leads as to who they are.

In my opinion, we should just start lynching people randomly. Just select random numbers from the list and lynch them.

On February 19 2008 12:04 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:


So we pick a number and you tell us who to lynch. In other words, you have full control over who gets lynched? Don't think so.

On February 19 2008 12:48 demonic_phate wrote:

Farg...
erm, well I got erm 46... so erm...

On February 19 2008 21:14 Tracil wrote:

7) Falcynn reacted rather sharply when someone pointed out a clue that seemed to point to him; to be fair, other people were likewise treating it as remarkably solid. I just... didn't really think it was a big deal, but he seemed to overreact a bit. Not too sure here. Here's some quote.

On February 20 2008 13:27 FakeSteve[TPR] wrote:
caller is not mafia

On February 21 2008 06:51 Amber[LighT] wrote:


Can this be 100% verified by chuiu? I'm under the impression everyone is a 'towny' so wouldn't saying you're a bodyguard be an unfair advantage?

Bodyguard - Random towny(ies) will receive the role of bodyguard once the mayor and pardoner have been elected. The mayor alone will know who these people are.

On February 21 2008 11:16 Scooter wrote:
Or, you can lynch someone who's been very inactive, because if they're a towny you've lost very little. However, if they're mafia you've gained very little since they haven't had any posts that you can look at.

On February 21 2008 13:57 randombum wrote:
man... we suck as townies huh? we've revealed both a bodyguard AND a paramedic (assuming they are not lying.) However we now have no major candidates to lynch.

On February 22 2008 09:42 randombum wrote:
Nemy, i'm pretty sure we lose our mayoral priveleges.... unles tracil gets promoted?

On February 22 2008 13:38 Dr.Dragoon wrote:

He's been doing it for awhile now. Basically he's just pointing out that the arguments against him suck. P.S. Falcynn, build your probe before you send the rest to minerals.

On February 22 2008 14:12 Caller wrote:
I will abstain with both of my votes until persuaded otherwise.

On February 22 2008 21:03 NotSorry wrote:

Maybe they would since you wouldn't expect it, and if you did decide to kill one it would make the other look guilt free afterwards, don't you think? Give up someone who's already going to get lynched to save your own ass.

On February 23 2008 00:04 Amber[LighT] wrote:
you guys need to look back at the votes for fakesteve!!!!!! This is a hunch but thenpeople who voted for Steve are probably mafia! Look at their posts they all say the same. We need our mayor to offset mafia votes. If he is gone then the mafia will be able to rally together and sway votes. Tracil is not mafia either and we need him to win this game. Don't put our two key players on the chopping block!

Look at the evidence via clues!!!

I vote for SoMuchBetter & NotSorry

On February 23 2008 12:24 SoMuchBetter wrote:
Tracil is always leading the the mobs against villagers
fakesteve is calling double lynches everytime everyone wants villagers lynched

On February 23 2008 13:43 Tracil wrote:


JeeJee is ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. Town MUST LYNCH and arguing to 'lynch less than we can' is foolishness. Town can't win without lynches at all.

If Town lynches nothing but townies and loses the game, the way to fix it in future games is *not* to 'lynch nobody'. So. Yeah.

Re: EmeraldSparks: Actually, there's one more reason to run for mayor, which is that you're running because you're a townie and you don't want mafia to get it. That was part of why I ran (although putting that into your campaign is pointless), with the other part thinking that I would make a good mayor.

I would.. agree from an objective standpoint that my power is less useful than FakeSteves. I guess. I don't really think I've been scummy, like, at all. See next paragraph.

I disagree heavily with the concept that if Steve is town, I am likely mafia. I can point again and again to actual, *real* flaws in Steve's play. People have trouble doing the same to me, as evidenced by arguments that say "Tracil is likely to be scum BECAUSE scum would want to run for mayor" or "He's scum if x is town"- these aren't targeting my actual play. I do NOT want to hit Steve while he's using his powers (as they are 100% protown) but I don't really trust him, let me make that clear.

SoMuchBetter is not bringing things up because he's scared of being hit at night. I think that's a load of crap and not a valid excuse at all. If every townie was too scared to talk and try and argue things, town would have no chance whatsoever.

On February 23 2008 20:01 Tracil wrote:
Hunt scum. Look for logical inconsistencies. Lynch people who don't post reasoning and follow one or two loud people like sheep.

On February 24 2008 01:58 Romance_us wrote:
:/

We need to get our shit together. Although we did lose our capability to double lynch, if we are optimistic as possible, we lost two townies who didn't contribute anyways..

On February 24 2008 02:14 wurm wrote:
Same goes for Live2Win, he had me going with the whole "I'm a Paramedic" bit, but if you were a true paramedic and DIDN'T SUSPECT FAKESTEVE OF BEING MAFIA, WHY DIDN'T YOU PROTECT HIM?

On February 25 2008 02:36 Amber[LighT] wrote:



If you really are a medic I would suggest protecting myself and try to get someone to protect you. I am also going to say protect Falcynn and Southlight.

On February 25 2008 04:28 bumatlarge wrote:
IM A MAFIA!.... if i were playing cause townies are screwed.

On February 28 2008 05:49 imDerek wrote:
yes of course my Hamlet quote is related to swords

but you need to look closer to see who else actually HAS a sword

btw, that iiaaargh was said by a mafia so yah.

Chuiu looked up once again to see his executioner, "You're never going to be trusted iaaagh" the knife pierced his throat quickly, in seconds he was dead.

On February 28 2008 07:50 Eti307 wrote:
Glad we finally got one!

With 5 mafias voting for Tracil, it highly drops the suspicions I had of him... but we don't know maybe he just planned that and the detective just fucked his plan up.

On February 28 2008 11:46 to miss the mark wrote:

it's true, i was probably more counterproductive than productive, so in theory you just helped out the mafia.

0-7 baby.

On February 28 2008 13:53 randombum wrote:
Jack does seem powerful, but the fact that he can only use one skill at a time limits him. He will likely not be able to use all 6, and if he starts using his detective skill (perhaps the best) he will likely get murdered.

On February 29 2008 11:02 bumatlarge wrote:

Well a mafia man answered lol

SIGN ME UP FOR NEXT GAME CHIU! I hope I'm a townie. If a t is clever enough, he can understand more than a detective.

On March 01 2008 01:09 Southlight wrote:


Except Alventine died. So the protection didn't seem to work, which would imply that you're not Para, aye?

On March 01 2008 01:49 Fen wrote:
How long has it been since L2W announced that he was a paramedic? Hes managed to survive 2 nights even though the mafia know that he has a cruicial role? You would think that the mafia would go for a Blue before random greenies wouldnt you?

On March 01 2008 04:10 Live2Win wrote:

Recurring theme - I can understand how that can lead to me. I was hoping the suspicion would die down when TMTM died, but apparently he wasn't the one the clues were pointing to. As soon as I saw Day 5's clues, I knew people would mention me once again.

Pretending to be Paramedic - Far too risky. Pretending to assume a position means you WILL be uncovered eventually. It puts a timeline on your life. If I was mafia, my goal would be to stay alive until the end. I wouldn't assume a role unless I knew I could live it out. Of course, both cases have no proof to back them up.

- Not attacked by mafia - I'm actually baffled by this myself. I figured by night 2 I was going to be a gonner. My only guess is that another medic protected me. If that's the case, I'm screwed unless that person reveals himself. If no one protected me... then perhaps the mafia knew I would get lynched eventually, succesfully making the town waste a lynch on me.

- Accident - This one should be easy to defend. What good do I get out from making up this "accident?" If I was mafia, pretending to be medic, why would I even send out a PM to anyone? PMing Chuiu would do no good, and sending a "fake PM" and then posting it would only make me look suspicious. What motive do I have to intentially bring the suspicion back to me?

If I was mafia being a paramedic, all I have to do is say I'm protecting someone and pretend to do so. But to intentionally do things that would bring suspicion to myself? Does that make sense?

Paramedic - You have the ability to watch one other player during night, which you must tell me about before the end of night (preferably before night even starts). You may choose not to use this ability also. When a player is watched he cannot die unless the number of people attacking him outnumbers the number of people watching him. In other words if two mafia attack a person being watched by one paramedic, the person will die. A clue will not be left behind, the town won't know who was saved, but I will let the Paramedic know if he saved the person or not and let the person know if he was saved or not.

On February 28 2008 00:28 Alventenie wrote:
Tracil - 9
ZaplinG
Southlight
Fen
Falcynn
SiZ.FaNtAsY
zdd
imDerek
Unforgiven_ve
MyHeroNoob

On March 02 2008 01:19 Unforgiven_ve wrote:


lol, im just waiting for more people to vote, im not a fuckdisau mafia

if you look for my previous post I'VE ALWAYS BEEN SUSPICIOUS ABOUT TRACIL AND L2W, especially Tracil, he's not doing any good whit his Ability...and i don't believe L2W is a medic.

wtf is the relation between "STABBING A LOT" and "Unforgiven" wtf? thats just a fucking psycho...on the other hand the guy whit the needle and L2W quote's MAKES PERFECT SENSE!

ps: my post was better and whit more details but pressed backspace and bye bye post...when i come back i will post again.

ps2: again, im not a mafia! -_-

On March 02 2008 09:05 wo0py wrote:
i still dont get this.. is there like a noob intro or manual to read for the needy?

On March 02 2008 13:07 Fen wrote:


...

You should be banned for this post.
Your not even playing the game.

EDIT: ok sorry you are playing. That being said, thats very unsportsmanlike

On March 01 2008 00:44 Chuiu wrote:
He was about to leave the room when the door flew off its hinges and a man quickly sprinted in and tore the gun from his hand tossing it aside to the ground. Alventenie was overwhelmed by the sheer strength of this man as he held him down onto the chair next to his desk and a another man slowly walked in with a syringe in his hand...

ulszz stabbed forward at him but another mafia rescued his friend by grabbing ulszz's arm and turning the knife against him. He overpowered ulszz as he drove the knife into his body dealing him a lethal blow.

..all he could think about was the chilling touch of the mafia's hand as he was drug outside. Another mafia stood there ready to end his life, his pale hand reached for a gun and shot CDRdude twice in the chest ending his life rather quickly. Their escape, though noisy...

He saw a man prancing his way around the front of the house to him and he quickly turned around to flee but was no match in speed. ZBiR felt a violent barrage of stabs in his back and the pain and damage was simply too much for any man to live through.

All you need in life is a strong will to succeed and unrelenting determination. If you meet these prerequisites, you can become anything you want with absolutely no luck, fortune or natural ability.

On March 03 2008 02:02 Empyrean wrote:
Finally, I suspect zdd, if only for the clue about the pale hand. He's been countering his accusations, though, and seems like a concerned member of the town. He's second on my watch list.

From zdd's sig
All you need in life is a strong will to succeed and unrelenting determination. If you meet these prerequisites, you can become anything you want with absolutely no luck, fortune or natural ability.

He was about to leave the room when the door flew off its hinges and a man quickly sprinted in and tore the gun from his hand tossing it aside to the ground. Alventenie was overwhelmed by the sheer strength of this man...

He overpowered ulszz as he drove the knife into his body dealing him a lethal blow.

Their escape, though noisy...

He saw a man prancing his way around the front of the house to him and he quickly turned around to flee but was no match in speed.

..all he could think about was the chilling touch of the mafia's hand as he was drug outside. Another mafia stood there ready to end his life, his pale hand reached for a gun and shot CDRdude twice in the chest ending his life rather quickly.

Artofmagic, immediatly sensing danger, tried to rush past them but was met with his end quite quickly as he was sliced in two. "Dead people don't leave"

On March 03 2008 04:45 nemY wrote:


Watch your butt tonight, you're one of the good guys... I think. When you guys got serious clues against me lemme know

On March 03 2008 09:36 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Man what if two vigilantes killed each other on the same night
that would be sick

On March 03 2008 09:45 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:


Well we hit So No Fek and he hit me in the same night and we both died.

On March 08 2008 08:29 Dapperdan wrote:
I'm going to make the post tonight. Neither chuiu or I has been able to do it already because I have homework (I had powerpoint presentation due today) and chuiu hath kidney stone. There's also the fact that I'm also playing SEN Mafia 6 (run by the dead veteran Mini Moose 2707) and running Maplantis Mafia 8 atm. Thanks for the patience guys. I'll be sure to make it epic. I already have one of the most epic deaths I've ever done prepared.

On March 03 2008 03:17 Falcynn wrote:
Edit: if this looks like it's too long could you guys at least skim it and give me some feedback please? I think I finally caught onto something but I'm not sure if I'm doing a goldenkmboi.



bah in case noone read my post (which would be a shame since this was one of the few posts I acutally put any real effort in) I'll repost the important parts.


In last day's post the killer/assistant killer of about 3 of the people seems to be described as a sort of clumsy brutish character who makes up for it with his sheer will and determination.









Then there's the part that everyone already mentioned about zdd's photo in his profile of the grim reaper, however there's an extra clue that nobody seems to have mention afaik.


zdd has already (sort of successfully) defended himself against the pale hand remark, but this "chilling touch of the mafia's hand" seems to obviously point to someone who's dead (does anyone have any sort of relation to zombies?) or the grim reaper.



This next part could also be a coincidence, however if we can find any clues against these guys then we might be able to build a strong case to lynch them next.

Zapling
Southlight
SiZ.Fantasy

These 3 guys are on the list of 9 (now 7) but didn't vote for unforgiven, and there are 3 people left on the list who are mafia. As I said, could just be coincidence, but we might want to dig up any dirt we can find on these guys. Especially Southlight since he seems to turn up in every list we make...yet we can't find any clues on him.

On March 09 2008 01:42 HotZhot wrote:
This fucking sucks. Yes I had information about the roles of clazziquai and randombum, i didn't know Emerald was a vigilante, otherwise i would have told him who to hit. This is sad. Anyway i hope that with our last vote we can get one mafia.

Ill vote for zzd

On March 09 2008 04:20 JeeJee wrote:
for the next large mafia game i suggest:
since mafia #s scale with number of players in the game
and since mafia killing power scales with number of players in the game
why doesn't town lynching power scale with number of players in the game?

think longterm, 280 people 55 mafia, 28 mafia kills daily, but one lynch
T_T?

On March 11 2008 11:28 ZaplinG wrote:
you guys just want to call it a tie and start the new game?

On March 11 2008 13:09 aZnvaLiaNce wrote:
If L2W turns out to be innocent, I suggest GG to be called. I'm itching to play.

On March 11 2008 13:45 nemY wrote:


You know nothing... fool!

edit: but after Day 6, I knew you'd suspect me... pretty hard for everyone I pmed not to... lol

On March 13 2008 05:24 Chuiu wrote:
He targeted only one person if I recall correctly, but since the mafia was targeting the same person that night his hit was nullified.

Actions for Night 3:

Medic
dinmsab -> Live2Win
Live2Win -> Alventenie

Murderer
EmeraldSparks -> JeeJee (null)
randombum -> chicken` (elder)


1.- Mini Moose 2707 (vet - dead)
2.- Amber[LighT]
3.- aepplet
4.- wurm
5.- JeeJee
6.- Falcynn (vet)

On March 13 2008 05:56 randombum wrote:
This game introduced so many new people to start posting on team liquid. If for nothing else it has help make the community large (a good thing). Actually about a good 20% of my posts are in this thread.

On March 13 2008 06:10 nemY wrote:
after Day 5 and than Day 6 came and about half of them died and flipped Blue and Green and i loled and Falcynn turned his suspicions to me.

On March 13 2008 07:00 ZaplinG wrote:
Falcynn, I knew you were mafia, but I figured if I allied myself to you then I wouldnt be targeted by the mafia and I could pretty much say whatever I wanted :O

On March 13 2008 09:05 Amber[LighT] wrote:
Honestly the inactivity situation was a small problem, but even with the amount of people who decided not to play wouldn't have made it an auto-lose. The problem was no one trusted anyone and we couldn't make decisions as a town. The second someone said something the other person would come back with some part of a clue that might have 1% relevance. If you're a townie you should remain calm and try to work on something without outting the person that outted you. It was annoying to see that every single round and we got so frazzled we voted for the person who "wasn't the nicest" (Hence why we fucking lynched our mayor WTF was that?!)