EPTHis threat was so open... It was his first post of the new day and he opens with a shitty threat. I'm leaning to trust him more than any other person at the moment (Aside from the dead guys. We can trust them) , simply because I can't see any reason why a mafia hit man would do that. It isn't going to win him much trust from the public (as you can see with just the one solitary vote) nor will it win him much publicity. Thus, I vote for the man who have would gained nothing by his actions.
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Alethios
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His threat was so open... It was his first post of the new day and he opens with a shitty threat. I'm leaning to trust him more than any other person at the moment (Aside from the dead guys. We can trust them) , simply because I can't see any reason why a mafia hit man would do that. It isn't going to win him much trust from the public (as you can see with just the one solitary vote) nor will it win him much publicity. Thus, I vote for the man who have would gained nothing by his actions. | ||
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Put that in your pipe and smoke it Tracil. That being said... looking purely at the "evidence" released at dawn: There are many things that could be taken for clues, but really... without further evidence we have no way of separating the clues from the red herrings. Even if we did know which are clues, so much of it is utterly ambiguous at this point. If the person below me for instance, pick a person at random, I could find "evidence" that the person was one of last night's killers. We do however, have several things that leap out: 1. "I'll take care of this, he's been a thorn in my side since the day I got here". 2. "That was low, even for you" 3. "As if ceremoniously, one of the mafia bowed with an arm extended, and they departed as a group..." All very peculiar... | ||
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On February 12 2008 05:56 Live2Win wrote: I vote for SoMuchBetter My reason is that Tracil is a dangerous person. Both SMB and Tracil could be mafia, but I would rather have SMB be a mafia/mayor, than Tracil being a mafia/mayor. If Tracil becomes mayor and turns out to be mafia, he would be, in my opinion, a bigger threat to the town than SMB becoming mayor/mafia. If both are reasonably dangerous? I can understand not voting for Tracil over SMB, but why vote for either? | ||
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Since their job is to verify evidence, when somebody is really pressing a point about some particular clue... It's likely they know what they are talking about. On a side note: I realise most of the people this is addressed to will have been told this before... but could you please make the effort to push enter every once in a while? Makes trawling through 10-15 pages of posts that much easier. Reading through a wall of text is never fun. | ||
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On February 12 2008 11:56 CDRdude wrote: I vote for RON PAUL. No, I'm just kidding. Is that even funny anymore? No, it's not. RP advocates teaching creationism in schools. Bastard. On February 12 2008 11:54 Dr.Dragoon wrote: I can't wait for when I get lynched, then ShaLLoW will pop out and yell "PSYCH" Edit: Or is it "sike"? Oh noes, an edit. You are soooo dead mate. Sorry to say it. Ooooo... a link to the short clue thing? | ||
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On February 12 2008 12:03 dancefayedance!~ wrote: oooooooooh! you're vertically challenged you say? "That was low, even for you" said another mafia." sound familiar? it makes sense. vertically challenged could mean that you're "low". what doesnt make sense is why you would intentionally make a statement like that. unless you want me to think that it doesnt make sense and a mafia member would never give himself away because you're ............MAFIOSO!! But did the illustrious organisers know this? If not, i can't say it's a particularly amazing piece of evidence... rather stupid slip up to make. Surely he's read the new day post too. If he was a mafia, he would be thinking "oh dear... that one is me!" then be on his guard against letting on that he was short. | ||
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On February 12 2008 12:07 CDRdude wrote: Dammit, I made that vertically challenged post AFTER the clue was posted. Look at the timestamps. Also, look at what I was replying to. Wow... can't edit. Funny that I was just advocating that if you had read it, you wouldn't have made that mistake... then you tell us that you hadn't read it when you posted the message... interesting.... | ||
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On February 12 2008 12:12 CDRdude wrote: You misunderstand me (or I'm missing your point, one of the two). What I'm saying, is that unless Chuiu can predict the future, he could not have meant that specific remark of mine to be a clue, because the clue about "that's low, even for you" was posted before my comment about height. Thats what i mean about does Chuiu know you are short. Because if he doesn't... it's a stupidly weak argument for your mafia status. If he did know however... leads to a whole different set of conclusions. | ||
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On February 12 2008 12:16 Live2Win wrote: the rule is if someone dies from mafia or gets lynched they shouldn't be able to post, since they might sway votes. But I think it'll be better if dead people still post, but nothing that would directly effect the game. You mean affect. Psychoanalytically, your nervousness at being discovered to be a mafia hit man is manifesting itself in your choice of words. Lynch him! | ||
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On February 12 2008 12:21 dancefayedance!~ wrote: i posted this awhile back, but it sums up why i think dragoon may be a mafioso. "i sincerely believe dr.dragoon is mafia because of his reaction to shallow[bay]'s print screen. It does state in the very beginning that mafia members know other mafia members. why would dr.dragoon say shallow[bay] was a mafia member if he knew he was a mafia member himself?a rule we are all well aware of ( if we read the rules which im assuming you did) it's because dr.dragoon wanted to throw everyone into confusion! i think what dr.dragoon did is very cunning. he knew that it would be screen shotted. with this in mind he used a poor bait to throw us off. it wasn't that he was trying to bait shallow[bay] into admitting he was another mafia member ( because if shallow[bay] were he would know if dr.dragoon was a mafia member or not) it's because he wanted to use that poor attempt of a trap to really steer us away from believing he was a mafia member. now this is why i think shallow[bay] could be a mafia member. either dr.dragoon and shallow]bay] planned this, because for shallow[bay] to accuse dr.dragoon and post 'incriminating' evidence would mean that shallow[bay] has a shallow intelligence or because they both planned this out." I agree with you utterly on this point. Either Dr.Dragoon or Shallow]bay] is lying. Given Dragoon's subsequent reactions however (post editing, accusations of others etc) i'm heavily leaning towards him being the lier. | ||
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On February 12 2008 12:27 Dr.Dragoon wrote: This is so complicated, I think we should just lynch something random, like prime numbers. Oh wait..Oh shi Typical behavior from one who knows he is a gonner. Oh shi... i'm going to be lynched. I know... suggest alternatives. Farewell my good sir. | ||
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On February 12 2008 12:30 Live2Win wrote: I suck at telling the difference on when to use which one. What nervousness are you talking about? Are talking to me or Dragoon? In general: Affect - X affects Y Effect - Reach's storms effectively have a wider area of effect than Jangbi's cheap effects. I was talking about your nervousness, but only jokingly. Fare thee well. | ||
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On February 12 2008 12:38 mahnini wrote: So you're saying either shallow is a liar or you are? But in #1 you admit that shallow is not a mafia? WAT? How could you he possibly know Shallow wasn't of the death legion? Only people any of us can be reasonably certain about not being mafia are those killed last night. Bring out your pitchforks and torches... | ||
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On February 12 2008 12:40 Alethios wrote: How could you he possibly know Shallow wasn't of the death legion? Only people any of us can be reasonably certain about not being mafia are those killed last night. Bring out your pitchforks and torches... Farking anti-edit. I NEED to edit! (look at my blog posts... always editing because i forget some small point, or screw something up). How could you he possibly know Shallow wasn't of the death legion? For those of us who are not minions of Diablo, the only people any of us can be reasonably certain about not being mafia are those killed last night. | ||
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Also, just regarding timings, I assume any lynchings that occur just before night? | ||
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On February 12 2008 12:57 JeeJee wrote: the only reason they'd exchange PMs this early in the game is for something either non-game related (as, you know, people DO use the PM feature), or they're both mafia. There's no reason for anyone non mafia to message someone in the game about the game because you have no idea whether they're mafia or not sooo it doesn't really matter Even if they did exchange PMs, who is to say that Dragoon didn't PM shallow asking why he did that? Remember that pretty much everything Dragoon says must be treated with the utmost caution and preferably with a large dose of salt. | ||
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On February 12 2008 13:01 goldenkrnboi wrote: so... uh.... aren't we still in the vote for mayor stage? or did that already happen? i'm too lazy to check >< and my first impulse is to jump on the dragoon bandwagon, mainly cause of the way he's responding to the accusations. Still voting for Mayor. We are in the midst of day 1. Nothing of consequence has happened aside from the various incriminations. On February 12 2008 12:57 Zelniq wrote: There's way too much spam and useless posts in this thread. The last page of this thread this morning was page 9, and it's already on 27. I know I'm not the only one who doesn't wanna go through that many posts in that short of a time. It's turning many of us off this game.. it'd be nice if there were some system in place that regulated posts or something. Discussion is what we want. The more discussion that occurs, the more clues we can gather. Imagine, as a counter example... no discussion was occurring. The mafia would have a free game because we wouldn't know anything about them. | ||
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On February 12 2008 13:15 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: ![[image loading]](http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/3044/truthxv8.jpg) You be the judge. What an amazingly good call. Didn't realise the mafia were ones to go around slaughtering horses. | ||
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Though i can suggest an alternative: Shallow, after being berated for not saving in jpeg last time, subconsciously doesn't make the decision to manually save the file in .png I'm undecided. This thread delivers. | ||
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On February 12 2008 13:32 Vharox wrote: But then again why would he want to stir things up when he almost got off the hook b/c of dragoon's former stupidity? Indeed, I think we can agree that the saving of the file in .jpeg was not intentional. What does this mean however? Does it indicate that the original image WAS indeed photoshopped? Does this change our feelings towards Dr.Dragoon? | ||
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On February 12 2008 13:40 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: I seriously don't know how the file being saved in .png proves it was edited. When I went to save the file, I thought for a second before habitually selecting .png, and I just left it as .jpeg. If you saved it in .png, but don't usually (like the .jpeg photo), it would show that you had gone out of your way to increase the quality of the PM photo, thus it was almost certainly photoshopped. | ||
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On February 12 2008 13:46 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote: We've already deduced I don't have photoshop on my computer, and I even showed you a SS of my applications TWO MINUTES after I was accused of photoshop. I also honestly didn't know that .png was higher quality (I swear on the soul of Mae Jae Yoon and Shi Ni Seung, if you know me that's pretty damn solid). My friends just assure me that it's better for whatever reason, so I, out of habit, tend to save in that format. Firstly, Photoshop is hardly the only program you could have used, so really the SS proves nothing. CompuPic for instance would do the job for you. That being said, i'm leaning towards believing you on this one. In a similar position, I would likely have reverted back to .jpeg format. Casts a spell of doubt over everything however. | ||
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Why use your special lynching power on Dr.Dragoon if he is dying by the end of the day anyway due to the vote? (Kill somebody else, like your political rivals rofl) | ||
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On February 12 2008 14:10 Tracil wrote: Alethios: I believe the first day is entirely dedicated to voting for the mayor, who THEN selects one person to lynch. The point is really moot; if I lynch a candidate that few people dispute, that puts us in a position to see if he is in fact town or scum when he dies and we find out his alignment, which can then be used as a springboard for future discussion. Why would I want to kill my political rivals off *after I'm elected*? o-o; Could somebody confirm this? Are there no mob lynchings on the first day? Why would you want to kill them? They ran against you. Surely you must see that your authority as mayor must not be questioned. I was joking by the way. | ||
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On February 12 2008 15:33 infinity21 wrote: See, I told you people that I wasn't a mafia. We're a finite simple group of order two~ p.s. be wary of those who lead discussions Sorry to say it my friend, but this doesn't say anything either way about your mafia status. Firstly we can't assume that the assumption of the pronunciation is correct. Secondly, assuming you aren't the dredge from the clue, doesn't mean you aren't one of the other 13 members. To be frank, we know one of either shallow or dragoon is lying. This means that one of them is almost certainly from the Cult of Despair. Kill off the most suspicious one first. reassess. then kill off the other if need be. A presumably better than 50/50 chance of killing a mafioso this evening (before he has the chance to kill one of us off), is highly beneficial to us, and should be taken advantage of. | ||
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On February 12 2008 16:50 Dr.Dragoon wrote: Go ahead, if shallow is mafia, you win. Otherwise, I just laugh. What I mean is that you should lynch people who are suspected by clues. In day 1, did any part of the passage point to me? There was one that could be pointed to shallow, but it was a stretch. You can work out the math if you want. The chances of you picking a mafia member at random are pretty crappy anyways. Even if you do get one, there's no guarantee of a link either. You'll lynch them anyways. The game is already in the mafia's pace. If I wanted someone to just go around smiting people, I would have voted for FakeSteve. The chances of you finding connected mafia aren't that great either, unless the mafia members play poorly. I'm tired You aren't convincing anybody. Go to sleep, come up with something better when you aren't as tired perhaps. | ||
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On February 12 2008 20:04 MasterOfChaos wrote: In Opera it's trivial. Just hit view source, edit it, and press Apply Changes.(there is a button on the view source tab) For FF there are extensions for everything, and several webdeveloper extensions allow live changes to the source or DOM-Tree. IE is a bit more difficult, you probably have to fix the imagepaths in the source and photoshop the url(easy to do perfectly using another ie-instance with the correct url). => Never trust Screenshots. ![[image loading]](http://img148.imageshack.us/my.php?image=live2winmafiakm1.png) On the right the View Souce tab is visible  but I could have closed it before taking the Screenshot.I see you have xkcd open in a tab. Good man. Just to let you know, not editing posts is currently in vogue. | ||
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I'd also like to get concrete statements regarding the PMs and screenshots from both Shallowbay and Dr.Dragoon. What happened and in what order? | ||
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Hmmmmm.... he is so very enigmatic at the moment. | ||
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On February 13 2008 11:47 Tracil wrote: Mayor is indeed a desirable position for the mafia to take and hold. It is no less desirable for a towny to hold it. Saying "One of the mayoral candidates is probably mafia, don't vote for that guy because of that!" is a pretty weird position, because the logic applies just as much to you as to myself. Frankly, I think you're abusing your position as a 'known' figure within TL.net to encourage people to vote for you without proposing a plan of action or outlining the logic on which you'll use the mayoral powers; in short, you're relying on a cult of personality to get you elected. Do you have any plans on who you will lynch if you are elected, and how will you use the ability to declare double-lynches? I have asked for the candidates to make their intentions known. Currently you are the only person to do so. Also, probably buried now, but could Shallowbay and Dr.Dragoon please step forward and outline in detail your take on the events leading up to and directly after the PM event? | ||
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FakeSteve, despite my assertion earlier, can no longer considered to be a utterly "safe" candidate. Whats more, Tracil has been the only person to outline his policy (and personally I find it rational and well thought out). This is especially important as candidates who have outlined their policy can be examined to see if they are following it. We can decide whether the mayor is trustworthy or not, depending on whether he follows his policy. This way, if the mayor is a mafia, we will be more likely to notice. Thus, in these closing hours of the election, I am changing by vote from FakeSteve to Tracil, and I would encourage others to do the same. | ||
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If a probable mafioso is telling us that another player is "100% mafia", chances are the other player isn't. Vote Tracil! | ||
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On February 13 2008 12:05 Chuiu wrote: I will have your night post momentarily. Don't we get to kill somebody first? | ||
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LAST POST! | ||
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Won't post again, promise. | ||
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