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On February 17 2008 04:23 JeeJee wrote:Show nested quote +On February 17 2008 04:21 Dr.Dragoon wrote:On February 17 2008 04:15 JeeJee wrote:
@nightmare
actually if FS was mafia, he WOULD have a reason to kill his bodyguards. I mean, first of all he doesn't care because he's safe even if 3 of them are dead (because mafia won't kill him and vigilantes can't til 4th is dead), and moreover because analysis like yours might pop up (mayor needs bg's to live, why would he kill his own bg, he must be townie)
edit: oh and as for the dragoon issue.. at this point it doesn't even matter if he's townie or not. he a) refused to dispute evidence against him, b) refused to provide evidence against others, c) doesn't want the town to win A) I disputed the evidence against me like 10 times already? If you don't see it, reread the thread. where's you disputing the serum<=>doctor accusation? Show nested quote +On February 17 2008 04:21 Dr.Dragoon wrote:
B) I said I'll provide evidence against others if I live through the night. Just pardon me or something. I provide a for sure mafia lynch, all is well. If the person isn't mafia and I'm just lying, just lynch me.
this proves my point c Show nested quote +On February 17 2008 04:21 Dr.Dragoon wrote:
C) I don't consider myself a winner if I'm dead. To be honest, I'm more or less neutral on the teams since I don't know exactly who is mafia and who isn't. this proves my point c
I can't really dispute the serum<=>doctor accusation. All I can really say (and have said) is I'm on equal basis with about 10 other people, and 2 other people are even ahead of me in suspicion from clues. My B and C points don't prove your point C because I didn't say I didn't want town to win. I'm simply pointing out that without me as a part of town, I don't really care.
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your b and c statements are the statements of one that doesn't want the town to win. why? well it's obvious, if you wanted the town to win, you'd provide your "100%" (note the quotes because they're obviously not 100% unless you're mafia) targets today not tomorrow. what's stopping us from getting the targets from you tomorrow then lynching you anyway? you have just as much reason to disclose your "omg pro findings" today as tomorrow
and your c statement is obvious too. you don't consider yourself a winner unless you're alive. that's great but it's not a townie attitude. if you're a townie, your goal should be to get hit before anyone with specials get hit so that the specials may have 1 more night to wtfpwn the mafia. you should also act like a townie and make sure you don't get wrongly lynched, making town waste a day. this is a TEAM game, this is TOWN vs MAFIA. nobody can win this by themselves, and they shouldn't aim to. you'd make a shitty dota teammate.
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Dr.Dragoon, if you don't want to get lynched, you should tell us your accusations so we can lynch those you're positive are mafia instead of you. People can still change their votes, you know.
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I think JeeJee just worded point C wrong, I think what he's trying to say is that you really don't care who wins, just as long as you survive. This mentality can prove to be a huge disadvantage to us townies because it implies that you'd willingly screw us over if it means that you'd be able to live to the next round, and frankly even if you are a townie, we really can't afford to leave someone like that alive.
Edit: Also this is just another random point, I'm kind of sick so I might not make much sense. Anyways I just thought of a motive for Dragoon to send that PM assuming he's mafia. Maybe he was hoping that shallow would laugh at his PM stating that he's mafia, and play along by writing back something along the lines of "haha, yeah I mafia  ". Then dragoon would post a screenshot of that PM to try to make sure everyone would vote to lynch a townie.
bah...I dunno.
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On February 17 2008 04:31 Falcynn wrote:
I think JeeJee just worded point C wrong, I think what he's trying to say is that you really don't care who wins, just as long as you survive. This mentality can prove to be a huge disadvantage to us townies because it implies that you'd willingly screw us over if it means that you'd be able to live to the next round, and frankly even if you are a townie, we really can't afford to leave someone like that alive.
That would make more sense, but he put it out the same twice, so I'm not sure.
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Back to the talk on Fakesteve and his followers.
- All the suspects that Yogurt thought of are people who either voted for Fakesteve to become mayor, or people who didn't vote at all.
- There is a possibility of 2 people that are related to the "Valentines" clue, but one of them voted for Tracil. That leaves us with one left. But keep in mind the clue itself might mean something totally irrelevant. I mean leaving a "Valentines" clue behind directly related to a person named "Valentine" is a little bit obvious, No?
Or the other person might be just an Undercover-Mafia, staying out of our radars.
- Like mentioned a couple times already, "A Mafia doesn't need bodyguards".
- (Personal Gut Feeling) The majority of people who voted for Fakesteve arn't posting/talking much, with an exception of a couple. Don't want too much attention I guess? Yet again, there are a lot of people not posting too.
- I have nothing to lose, kill me please . But clues are going to be left behind when I die.
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I wasn't going to vote for Dr.Dragoon because I am suspecting others, but at this point you are just useless and if anything it looks like you're a mafia member, so:
I vote for Dr. Dragoon.
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Heh..People are giving up the chance to get 3 mafia members because they don't like me and want me dead now. The situation in not killing me today would basically be
1: You get a mafia person to lynch
2: I'm wrong and you lynch me a day later
So the argument that I should die now is basically because you don't want town to win. Cool
I'm gonna be out for awhile, I look forward to everyone's hateful posts when I get back 
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On February 16 2008 18:36 Vharox wrote:
"He closed the zipper and was complete in the capture of his prey"
Yet another clue referring to "prey"...
Aka falcynn... Aka mafioso :O
damn nice find
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I vote for Falcynn to be lynched
If there is going to be a double lynch, it will be Dr. Dragoon and Falcynn
Too bad so sad if you are a Townie
Edit: Spacing
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On February 17 2008 04:47 Dr.Dragoon wrote:Heh..People are giving up the chance to get 3 mafia members because they don't like me and want me dead now. The situation in not killing me today would basically be 1: You get a mafia person to lynch 2: I'm wrong and you lynch me a day later So the argument that I should die now is basically because you don't want town to win. Cool I'm gonna be out for awhile, I look forward to everyone's hateful posts when I get back
No, I didn't word anything wrong. I said you don't want the town to win and I stand by that statement. I mean this post is a prime example of this. Like I said, if you were a townie, you'd share your suspicions with us (I mean look at everyone else), and keep in mind that's all they are - suspicions, not 'for-sure lynches' so stop calling them as such and trying to puff yourself up to something you're not.
Put yourself in a townie's shoes (yeah a bit obvious implication there). You're being threatened to die, and you think you know something we don't. what sounds more of a team player attitude:
a) fully disclose your suspicions, making the townies think twice and possibly reconsider
b) blackmail and insult the town
yeah..
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On February 17 2008 04:51 Yogurt wrote:Show nested quote +On February 16 2008 18:36 Vharox wrote:
"He closed the zipper and was complete in the capture of his prey"
Yet another clue referring to "prey"...
Aka falcynn... Aka mafioso :O damn nice find Ok, I feel I should defend myself before a crapload of accusations start pouring in.
1. An animal hunted or caught for food; quarry.
2. One that is defenseless, especially in the face of attack; a victim.
3. The act or practice of preying.
Ok...so that didn't help, and I can't really understand Chuiu's choice of words in wanting to write prey instead of victim. However you said another clue refering to prey, and the only one I can think of that was mentioned was that whole "not a mouse was stirring" bit in day 1. That's usually a very common line to imply that a whole town/area/house/whatever is completely silent. So if you believe that Chuiu's choice of words would lead to me then there's really nothing I can argue about that since I have the only username in this game that has anything to do with hunting (except maybe to_miss_the_mark, but then that wouldn't make sense). However there isn't "another" clue referring to me.
damn it...I'm seriously not thinking straight right now.
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bah, my only hope right now is if a detective can check up on that clue and will hopefully try to defend my innocence.
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Would also like to requote this:
He closed the zipper and was complete in the capture of his prey. He then took the liberty of tossing Krohm out the window, and to his death.
Falcons mostly "Dive/Drop" from mid-air to hunt their prey. They will sometimes drop their prey while flying to pass it onto another falcon.
I just googled some info right now just to make sure... But like I said in my other post above, too bad so sad if you're a Townie.
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On February 17 2008 05:04 Falcynn wrote:
bah, my only hope right now is if a detective can check up on that clue and will hopefully try to defend my innocence.
Yeah, Chuiu and Dapperdan's choice of words pretty much killed you right there. But you still have a big chance of living if Fakesteve doesn't use his double lynch, since most of the votes are already directed to Dr. Dragoon
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Alright, seriously if people are gonna start accusing me I seriously hope FS puts on double lynch because I don't want Dragoon to get away just because Vharox and Fishball are trying to make me look guilty.
Edit; I mean that obviously only if I get a sudden rush of voters and people start changing their dragoon votes to me.
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well keep in mind a bunch of people also suspect nightmare (for instance, me) and so if a double lynch is declared, the second person to be lynched might be one of you two. all depends where FS puts his 4 votes and what the general perception is
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On February 17 2008 05:13 Falcynn wrote:
Alright, seriously if people are gonna start accusing me I seriously hope FS puts on double lynch because I don't want Dragoon to get away just because Vharox and Fishball are trying to make me look guilty.
Edit; I mean that obviously only if I get a sudden rush of voters and people start changing their dragoon votes to me.
You might be innocent, really. But since Dragoon didn't want everyone "Band wagoning" him, I decided to make my vote unique
Vharox just brought that up at the wrong time I guess, Haha.
Damn I really want to be the Vigilante of the game, so I could kill whoever I want, Mafia or Townie.
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there is overwhelming support for both dr.dragoon and rtsnightmare to die
i will exercise the use of one of my double lynches and vote for rtsnightmare (i cant be bothered to look up how those brackets work)
with these two dead, townie or mafia, we have the beginning of the end of the mob. if they're both townies, then we know we have some work to do
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change my vote to nightmare.
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