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demonic_phate
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States442 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-16 15:38:16
February 16 2008 15:36 GMT
#1221
On February 16 2008 18:17 Dr.Dragoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2008 18:15 Tracil wrote:
...no. Bullshit. You do not extort town like that if you're a townie for the sake of your own survival. You do not hold yourself up as some kind of neutral party that 'could give you info, but I won't unless you let me live'. If you were really town and you really wanted town to win, you would do as much as you could to get information out there so that when you flip town, we can look back at your words and take them under consideration.

That whole post smacks of self-preservation at the expense of town's chances of winning. If any townies follow this example, we're fucked.

I'd rather live and lose than die and win.

I vote we lynch Dr.Dragoon because he's just acting like an ass now...
I would vote Nightmare but I was hoping that Fakesteve use one of his uber lynching power thingies on him.. :/
BusyP
Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
16987 Posts
February 16 2008 15:38 GMT
#1222
He only has one of those, I believe.
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Folca
Profile Blog Joined October 2006
2235 Posts
February 16 2008 15:42 GMT
#1223
On February 16 2008 18:19 wurm wrote:
alrighty, time to risk my neck and throw around accusations. Looking back to the last day post, I've tried to find out why TWO mafia chose to go after mahnini. Shifting through this 60 page topic I found this.

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On February 12 2008 14:22 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2008 14:19 mahnini wrote:
On February 12 2008 14:05 Live2Win wrote:
On February 12 2008 13:53 mahnini wrote:
On February 12 2008 13:50 mahnini wrote:
On February 12 2008 13:48 CDRdude wrote:
I haven't been paying attention to this thread, but I have one thing to offer the file extension debate. On a Mac, screenshots are saved as a .png file, with a name of Picture 1 (if the name Picture 1 is taken, it'll use Picture 2, and so on).

He screenshotted his windows add/remove program window though, so he's not on a mac. Let's not discount the fact that maybe the mafia are working together and having someone with reputable photoshop skills post an image of a PM would draw attention to him.

To further elaborate on this, maybe someone photoshopped it, presented it to the mafia and they decided shallow should post it for whatever reason. His "habitual" .png saving doesn't make sense since his own paint picture is saved in .jpeg which he "left it on .jpeg", when in fact default the default save format for paint is .bmp (I said .gif earlier, my mistake).

First of all, .jpeg is the default save format for Paint.

Second, in my opinion you guys are thinking way ahead into this. The explanation "I saved in JPEG because last time I saved in .png people made a big fuss about it" is a perfectly good explanation, and I personally see no reason to be particularily suspicious about that.

The Dr.Dragoon case, however, still has me convinced he should be lynched.

I just checked and recheck. Default image format is 24-bit .bmp. It makes zero sense to change a picture to .jpeg after posting a previous picture in .png since he already established that he did it habitually, which he now disproved by posting a .jpeg. This still doesn't change the fact that this could be an elaborate mafia plot to test the waters so to speak of how to get rid of someone.


The entire forum shit on me for posting a .png the first time, so why would I do it again? Habits can be broken you know.

If, every day, you come home from school and smoke a joint before your parents get home, and one day they stay home sick, obviously you're not going to do it then. It's a silly comparaison but it's the same in essence.

Why wouldn't you do it again is a much better question! You claim to habitually save in .png yet are worried about being accused of saving an obviously edited image in .png? You can see how this inconsistency can be suspicious.


Looks to me, mahnini was onto something. After this whole .png/.jpeg discussion, there were no more mahnini posts. Also, I've long suspected of Live2Win being mafia, lo and behold he is defending another one of my mafia suspects, Shallow[bay].

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A little more than a few hours later kAra was tossing in his sleep, artofmagic heard him from the next room and came in to see what was wrong.


Looks like a nightmare to me.

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evanthebouncy! had his backed turn when he was attacked by a killer of the most precise control.


At first i couldn't link anybody to this until i saw the previous quote, what I got was:
RtS)Night[Mare

RTS=Real Time Strategy perhaps? Precise control needed to play? And going through the topic, his posts sounded like he was trying to be townie instead of being a real townie.

Also, it was basically a given that a mafioso was running for mayor, and my last accusation is:

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SoMuchBetter 11
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MyHeroNoob
Live2Win
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clazziquai
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Dr.Dragoon


3 possible mafioso's voting SoMuchBetter for mayor. Going through the first DAY post, a lot of people were accusing SMB of being mafia.

That's all I have.

wtf me?
why me, im innocent :D
Dea : one time when he was playing vs the comps he asked me "how do I make that flying unit that makes the other stuff invisible" and I reply "ur playing terran zomg"
Romance_us
Profile Joined March 2006
Seychelles1806 Posts
February 16 2008 15:43 GMT
#1224
I vote Dr.Dragoon
Notes and feelings, numbers and reason. The ultimate equilibrium.
Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-16 17:20:27
February 16 2008 17:10 GMT
#1225
Hmm, since almost everyone made up their minds to take out Dr. Dragoon, and some voted for Nightmare, I'll just keep observing for now.

If the Mafias were not trying to mislead us, then the following statement would be true.

Two Mafias went after Mahnini, which means they believed Mahnini is either a Veteran or watched over by a Paramedic. In this case, I would say Veteran because Mahnini has no reason to be watched over by a Paramedic whatsoever. Of course they turned out to be wrong, but what does it mean?! What made them think that way?! I haven't think too much yet as I just woke up, but just wanted to point this part out

My suggestion for now is to go for double lynch and take out two people from the general consensus. Then our "Vigilante" should take out two more from the following list, or whoever you think that is more appropriate. It's not that hard

On February 16 2008 15:41 Yogurt wrote:
my immidiate reads on the day:
1.Water was now boiling on the stove. betaben was clearly disillusioned as he woke up.
NeoIllusions

2. This man had no intentions of absolving himself stealing sleeping bags was not the worst he had prepared.
?Drowsy

3.this Valentines day
Valentine is playing. Romance_us is also playing.

can't find any clues really in mahnini's death

4. The powers overseeing did not have first-rate plans for the residents of Krohms house on this night
randombum?



Other things to note:
-second time someone has stepped out of the "darkness"

may add more later


If all goes well, we should be able to cut down half of the Mafia count...

Oh, and I do think the clues on "Valentines day" is somewhat strong, although we do have two choices.
靈魂交響曲
Night[Mare
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Mexico4793 Posts
February 16 2008 17:21 GMT
#1226
I think you're getting a wrong lead on me. I believe clues lie within the way of the killing was made. The killing of mahnini mentions a needle and a strange substance. So i think the killing was made by
Dr. Dragoon. Why?

if you've read some of the posts mahnini made, there is some evidence pointing Dr.Dragoon as a suspcious character. Even though many people pointed him as mafioso, most did not bring up any evidence. Mahnini was one of the few. Since he didnt post too much i think he was trying to protect himself.

Dr.Dragoon could take some heat off him by killing one of his accusers that actually had evidence.

By the way, at the beggining of the game i thought Dr.Dragoon was indeed a townie, but he was just way too stupid. So maybe he'd be alive if he didnt argue as much as he did, all he did was bring so much attention to him. After a few pages, he become as much of a suspect of mafia. He hasnt brought any clues to any other guy that is mafia. Maybe because he's dead and wont give away a teammate?

Tracil, i voted for SMB because at the beggining of the game, you seemed like really helpful, but after reading L2W posts, i become suspicious of you trying to fool everybody into trusting you, so i could not risk voting you for mayor if you were mafia. SMB seems more like a politician and i thought he was safe.

I also am suspicious of fakesteve, because his first lynch was just aimed with revenge. Mafia behaviour is likely. Accuser with evidence -> Dead. However, i dont think that if fakesteve was mafia, he'd let them target one of his bodyguards.

L2W was providing very insightful clues, so i figured out he might die to a mafia attack, so i tried to encourage a paramedic to watch him.

Also, about the two mafias hitting on one person is not true. There were two mafias, but two targets as well.

Some of the tkillings seems so random. I wonder why they were killed. At the moment, im unable to find more clues. Thats my defense i guess.
I vote for Dr. Dragoon to be lynched.
Teamliquidian townie
Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-16 17:27:43
February 16 2008 17:26 GMT
#1227
On February 17 2008 02:21 RtS)Night[Mare wrote:
I think you're getting a wrong lead on me. I believe clues lie within the way of the killing was made. The killing of mahnini mentions a needle and a strange substance. So i think the killing was made by
Dr. Dragoon. Why?

if you've read some of the posts mahnini made, there is some evidence pointing Dr.Dragoon as a suspcious character. Even though many people pointed him as mafioso, most did not bring up any evidence. Mahnini was one of the few. Since he didnt post too much i think he was trying to protect himself.

Dr.Dragoon could take some heat off him by killing one of his accusers that actually had evidence.

By the way, at the beggining of the game i thought Dr.Dragoon was indeed a townie, but he was just way too stupid. So maybe he'd be alive if he didnt argue as much as he did, all he did was bring so much attention to him. After a few pages, he become as much of a suspect of mafia. He hasnt brought any clues to any other guy that is mafia. Maybe because he's dead and wont give away a teammate?

Tracil, i voted for SMB because at the beggining of the game, you seemed like really helpful, but after reading L2W posts, i become suspicious of you trying to fool everybody into trusting you, so i could not risk voting you for mayor if you were mafia. SMB seems more like a politician and i thought he was safe.

I also am suspicious of fakesteve, because his first lynch was just aimed with revenge. Mafia behaviour is likely. Accuser with evidence -> Dead. However, i dont think that if fakesteve was mafia, he'd let them target one of his bodyguards.

L2W was providing very insightful clues, so i figured out he might die to a mafia attack, so i tried to encourage a paramedic to watch him.

Also, about the two mafias hitting on one person is not true. There were two mafias, but two targets as well.

Some of the tkillings seems so random. I wonder why they were killed. At the moment, im unable to find more clues. Thats my defense i guess.
I vote for Dr. Dragoon to be lynched.


Dragoon is pretty much dead, and for you, there is not enough evidence to justify me voting for you, therefore I'm not voting for anyone as of now.

But if other people want to take you out, I'm OK with it
靈魂交響曲
Dr.Dragoon
Profile Joined November 2007
United States1241 Posts
February 16 2008 17:38 GMT
#1228
Don't call me stupid. This game is basically the Salem Witch Trials. If someone says you're a witch, GG. Instead, I'll call you stupid for thinking I'm mafia. Also, for the people calling me petty, you guys are ridiculous. Basically you're either petty for voting me because of my attitude, horrible at this game for actually thinking I'm mafia, or you're a mafioso.
~o~ I have returned
Fishball
Profile Joined December 2005
Canada4788 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-16 17:59:57
February 16 2008 17:45 GMT
#1229
On February 17 2008 02:38 Dr.Dragoon wrote:
Don't call me stupid. This game is basically the Salem Witch Trials. If someone says you're a witch, GG. Instead, I'll call you stupid for thinking I'm mafia. Also, for the people calling me petty, you guys are ridiculous. Basically you're either petty for voting me because of my attitude, horrible at this game for actually thinking I'm mafia, or you're a mafioso.


Well too bad that IS how the game is played. People make their decisions based on what other people say and how they act.
You don't have to sign up next round if you are so upset.
This is a GAME after all.

Edit:
After you were accused Mafia, you never countered the accuse. You did not try to explain how the evidence is not pointed towards you, and other reasons why we should not believe you are Mafia. Instead you just went on a rant saying people are dumb, the game is dumb, people are just band wagoning you etc.
That doesn't help your case much, does it?

RtS)Night[Mare actually had a good long post up top saying why we should believe him, and I do think some people after reading his post would change their minds.

Yes there is always a probability of you not being a Mafia, but that, we will find out after you are dead.
靈魂交響曲
Night[Mare
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
Mexico4793 Posts
February 16 2008 17:51 GMT
#1230
On February 17 2008 02:38 Dr.Dragoon wrote:
Don't call me stupid. This game is basically the Salem Witch Trials. If someone says you're a witch, GG. Instead, I'll call you stupid for thinking I'm mafia. Also, for the people calling me petty, you guys are ridiculous. Basically you're either petty for voting me because of my attitude, horrible at this game for actually thinking I'm mafia, or you're a mafioso.


Actually if you're smart and innocent, you can search for clues that point to MAFIA. After all there is 14? mafia out of 72 townies, so pointing strong evidence might lead the crowd into lynching a sure target. You have too much suspicion on you right now, so you're dead. You're probably mafia, as all you did was yell IM NOT and didnt contribute to findings, or at least try.
Teamliquidian townie
ZBiR
Profile Blog Joined August 2003
Poland1092 Posts
February 16 2008 17:54 GMT
#1231
On February 17 2008 02:38 Dr.Dragoon wrote:
Don't call me stupid. This game is basically the Salem Witch Trials. If someone says you're a witch, GG. Instead, I'll call you stupid for thinking I'm mafia. Also, for the people calling me petty, you guys are ridiculous. Basically you're either petty for voting me because of my attitude, horrible at this game for actually thinking I'm mafia, or you're a mafioso.


Oh just stop posting, everybody is tired of you.
You are still going to die and it's totally unlikely to change.

ZBiR
Profile Blog Joined August 2003
Poland1092 Posts
February 16 2008 17:54 GMT
#1232
On February 17 2008 02:21 RtS)Night[Mare wrote:
Some of the tkillings seems so random. I wonder why they were killed. At the moment, im unable to find more clues.


I think it's better for mafia to hit random people, because those standing out are much more likely to be prodected by a paramedic, and they wouldn't like to waste a kill. Also, the quality of dying townies isn't that important, since it's the quantity of votes that decides about lynching someone.
Dr.Dragoon
Profile Joined November 2007
United States1241 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-16 18:13:48
February 16 2008 18:11 GMT
#1233
On February 17 2008 02:51 RtS)Night[Mare wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2008 02:38 Dr.Dragoon wrote:
Don't call me stupid. This game is basically the Salem Witch Trials. If someone says you're a witch, GG. Instead, I'll call you stupid for thinking I'm mafia. Also, for the people calling me petty, you guys are ridiculous. Basically you're either petty for voting me because of my attitude, horrible at this game for actually thinking I'm mafia, or you're a mafioso.


Actually if you're smart and innocent, you can search for clues that point to MAFIA. After all there is 14? mafia out of 72 townies, so pointing strong evidence might lead the crowd into lynching a sure target. You have too much suspicion on you right now, so you're dead. You're probably mafia, as all you did was yell IM NOT and didnt contribute to findings, or at least try.

I'll call you stupid after I'm lynched and it shows I'm a townie. Okay?

Edit: I guess I was too vague in this post. You don't even know how the game works. I'm screwed unless I cheat. Even If I give up the mafia members I've already figured out, I'll be killed simply because retarded people think they're Sherlock Holmes.
~o~ I have returned
Caller
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
Poland8075 Posts
February 16 2008 18:15 GMT
#1234
if any paramedics read this i suggest somebody may want to watch me tonight-u may not know what alignment i am, but still, i have this feeling...
Watch me fail at Paradox: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=397564
MasterOfChaos
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
Germany2896 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-16 18:27:38
February 16 2008 18:23 GMT
#1235
@DrDragoon:
It does not matter if oneself dies in mafia as long as the right side wins. So you are only screwed(assuming you are towny) if the town loses. So not telling your suspects is irrational behavior (as a towny). Lynching sb whose behavior is irrational under the assumption he is good, is standard mafia behavior, and it's the lynchee own fault.
So you are probably lynched because:
a) Shallow is lying and thus is mafia himself
b) you are mafia
c) you behave stupid or you just want to spoil the game
So at least one of you two is mafia, or one of you is stupid/spoiler.

And in this variant of the game it's in the towns interest do kill much and kill early, as this reduces the number of mafiakills. So using some doublekills early even if you have no proof is probably advisable.

(I'm not playing)
LiquipediaOne eye to kill. Two eyes to live.
Empyrean
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
16987 Posts
February 16 2008 18:23 GMT
#1236
On February 17 2008 03:11 Dr.Dragoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2008 02:51 RtS)Night[Mare wrote:
On February 17 2008 02:38 Dr.Dragoon wrote:
Don't call me stupid. This game is basically the Salem Witch Trials. If someone says you're a witch, GG. Instead, I'll call you stupid for thinking I'm mafia. Also, for the people calling me petty, you guys are ridiculous. Basically you're either petty for voting me because of my attitude, horrible at this game for actually thinking I'm mafia, or you're a mafioso.


Actually if you're smart and innocent, you can search for clues that point to MAFIA. After all there is 14? mafia out of 72 townies, so pointing strong evidence might lead the crowd into lynching a sure target. You have too much suspicion on you right now, so you're dead. You're probably mafia, as all you did was yell IM NOT and didnt contribute to findings, or at least try.

I'll call you stupid after I'm lynched and it shows I'm a townie. Okay?

Edit: I guess I was too vague in this post. You don't even know how the game works. I'm screwed unless I cheat. Even If I give up the mafia members I've already figured out, I'll be killed simply because retarded people think they're Sherlock Holmes.


Well who are the mafia members you've already "figured out"?
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Falcynn
Profile Blog Joined June 2005
United States3597 Posts
February 16 2008 18:27 GMT
#1237
After reading through the last 5 pages I'll pretty much

Vote for Dr.Dragoon

even if he's not mafia, his whole "I'd rather live and lose than die and win" attitude seems pretty detrimental to us townies. Even if it turns out he's a townie I'm sure everyone will still agree it was for the best.
clazziquai
Profile Blog Joined October 2007
6685 Posts
February 16 2008 18:27 GMT
#1238
On February 17 2008 02:38 Dr.Dragoon wrote:
Don't call me stupid. This game is basically the Salem Witch Trials. If someone says you're a witch, GG. Instead, I'll call you stupid for thinking I'm mafia. Also, for the people calling me petty, you guys are ridiculous. Basically you're either petty for voting me because of my attitude, horrible at this game for actually thinking I'm mafia, or you're a mafioso.


Just die already. lol
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Dr.Dragoon
Profile Joined November 2007
United States1241 Posts
February 16 2008 18:29 GMT
#1239
On February 17 2008 03:27 clazziquai wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 17 2008 02:38 Dr.Dragoon wrote:
Don't call me stupid. This game is basically the Salem Witch Trials. If someone says you're a witch, GG. Instead, I'll call you stupid for thinking I'm mafia. Also, for the people calling me petty, you guys are ridiculous. Basically you're either petty for voting me because of my attitude, horrible at this game for actually thinking I'm mafia, or you're a mafioso.


Just die already. lol

As if dying will do anything to me. I'll still be a fundamental part of the game.
~o~ I have returned
KF91
Profile Blog Joined March 2007
Canada221 Posts
February 16 2008 18:30 GMT
#1240
On February 17 2008 03:23 MasterOfChaos wrote:
@DrDragoon:
It does not matter if oneself dies in mafia as long as the right side wins. So you are only screwed(assuming you are towny) if the town loses. So not telling your suspects is irrational behavior (as a towny). Lynching sb whose behavior is irrational under the assumption he is good, is standard mafia behavior, and it's the lynchee own fault.
So you are probably lynched because:
a) Shallow is lying and thus is mafia himself
b) you are mafia
c) you behave stupid or you just want to spoil the game
So at least one of you two is mafia, or one of you is stupid/spoiler.

And in this variant of the game it's in the towns interest do kill much and kill early, as this reduces the number of mafiakills. So using some doublekills early even if you have no proof is probably advisable.

(I'm not playing)


Then why are you posting? O.o
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