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Dr.Dragoon
Profile Joined November 2007
United States1241 Posts
February 16 2008 08:03 GMT
#1181
On February 16 2008 16:59 Southlight wrote:
Goodbye Dr.Dragoon.

I'll still be here giving reminders on how the townies screwed up.
~o~ I have returned
Alventenie
Profile Joined July 2007
United States2147 Posts
February 16 2008 08:09 GMT
#1182
On February 16 2008 17:03 Dr.Dragoon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2008 16:59 Southlight wrote:
Goodbye Dr.Dragoon.

I'll still be here giving reminders on how the townies screwed up.



If you have a counter argument as how a strange serum doesn't correlate to you, a Doctor, then by all means present it, otherwise the clue is one of the hardest clues pointed at you, because its a direct clue. Nobody else on the list jumps out at me when i look at it and compare that clue to the list aside from you. If you have a counter argument, present it, otherwise, you are just proving that you are guilty anyway and going to be lynched.
Dr.Dragoon
Profile Joined November 2007
United States1241 Posts
February 16 2008 08:29 GMT
#1183
On February 16 2008 17:09 Alventenie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2008 17:03 Dr.Dragoon wrote:
On February 16 2008 16:59 Southlight wrote:
Goodbye Dr.Dragoon.

I'll still be here giving reminders on how the townies screwed up.



If you have a counter argument as how a strange serum doesn't correlate to you, a Doctor, then by all means present it, otherwise the clue is one of the hardest clues pointed at you, because its a direct clue. Nobody else on the list jumps out at me when i look at it and compare that clue to the list aside from you. If you have a counter argument, present it, otherwise, you are just proving that you are guilty anyway and going to be lynched.

Make a real argument and I'll actually give a counter argument. Try reading the actual post, rather than a few summaries.
~o~ I have returned
Hittegods
Profile Joined April 2007
Stockholm4642 Posts
February 16 2008 08:36 GMT
#1184
On February 16 2008 16:54 Live2Win wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2008 16:02 goldenkrnboi wrote:
hm.... i find it strange and interesting that during the day post, there was no mention of L2W at all, even though he brought up really good points. also, after looking back at the post, i realized that there were 6 deaths, although the maximum is 7. this could mean 3 things: (in order of most likely what happened/is going on)

1. Chuiu isn't telling us about paramedic saves.
2. 2-3 of mafia got lazy and just chilled
3. L2W is part of mafia and either predicament 1 or 2

Chuiu, are you allowed to tell us about successful saves?

also, i'm voting for DD for reasons that i gave (some pages back) and reasons other people already gave.

I'm not that suspicious of SMB that much anymore. I'm still not really convinced that you're not mafia, but, then again, you probably think the same about me, as does everybody else in this game about each other.


I'm getting kicked off the comp right now, so i'll try to see what i can pick out from the day post fully tomorrow.


I wasn't saved by a paramedic, because I didn't get this "PM" from Chuiu or Dapperdan. I have no reason to lie about this either, as the paramedic(s) can easily uncover my lie.

However this puts me in a difficult position. The fact that the mafia didn't even attempt to kill me, means a few things: They want the towns people to suspect me and lynch me, or they want me to think I'm wrong and change my thoughts.... OR I am wrong and see no threat in me.

I need time to think this through.

Or you are simply mafia. J'ACCUSE!
This neo violence, pure self defiance
Live2Win *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6657 Posts
February 16 2008 08:37 GMT
#1185
i don't know how you can not call that a real argument. The clue points a very firm finger in your direction. Even if it's not actually meant to point at you, it's not unreasonable to think that it does... I can easily see why people would think that clue points to you.
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wurm
Profile Joined October 2007
Philippines2296 Posts
February 16 2008 08:40 GMT
#1186
Bah, everyone's voting to lynch Dr. Dragoon instead of analyzing the clues. I have two clues inparticular that point to one person. Since you people are already set on lynching Dr. Dragoon, i'd rather not put myself into a dangerous situation.

also, after looking back at the post, i realized that there were 6 deaths, although the maximum is 7.


2 of the mafia went after Mahnini.
I know where my towel is.
Live2Win *
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
United States6657 Posts
February 16 2008 08:45 GMT
#1187
On February 16 2008 17:40 wurm wrote:
Bah, everyone's voting to lynch Dr. Dragoon instead of analyzing the clues. I have two clues inparticular that point to one person. Since you people are already set on lynching Dr. Dragoon, i'd rather not put myself into a dangerous situation.

Show nested quote +
also, after looking back at the post, i realized that there were 6 deaths, although the maximum is 7.


2 of the mafia went after Mahnini.

QUOTED FOR PRESERVATION

how do you know 2 of the mafia went after Mahnini? That should be confidential information that should kept only to the mafia and Chuiu/DapperDan!
SAY YES TO STIM KIDS!!! XD
Puosu
Profile Blog Joined April 2007
7054 Posts
February 16 2008 08:46 GMT
#1188
I vote Dr.Dragoon to be lynched

On February 16 2008 17:45 Live2Win wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 16 2008 17:40 wurm wrote:
Bah, everyone's voting to lynch Dr. Dragoon instead of analyzing the clues. I have two clues inparticular that point to one person. Since you people are already set on lynching Dr. Dragoon, i'd rather not put myself into a dangerous situation.

also, after looking back at the post, i realized that there were 6 deaths, although the maximum is 7.


2 of the mafia went after Mahnini.

QUOTED FOR PRESERVATION

how do you know 2 of the mafia went after Mahnini? That should be confidential information that should kept only to the mafia and Chuiu/DapperDan!

If you read the story it does tell that there were 2 mafia guys going into Mahnini's house..

So I think he just figured it out~
wurm
Profile Joined October 2007
Philippines2296 Posts
February 16 2008 08:49 GMT
#1189
On February 16 2008 17:46 Puosu wrote:
I vote Dr.Dragoon to be lynched

Show nested quote +
On February 16 2008 17:45 Live2Win wrote:
On February 16 2008 17:40 wurm wrote:
Bah, everyone's voting to lynch Dr. Dragoon instead of analyzing the clues. I have two clues inparticular that point to one person. Since you people are already set on lynching Dr. Dragoon, i'd rather not put myself into a dangerous situation.

also, after looking back at the post, i realized that there were 6 deaths, although the maximum is 7.


2 of the mafia went after Mahnini.

QUOTED FOR PRESERVATION

how do you know 2 of the mafia went after Mahnini? That should be confidential information that should kept only to the mafia and Chuiu/DapperDan!

If you read the story it does tell that there were 2 mafia guys going into Mahnini's house..

So I think he just figured it out~


Bingo.
I know where my towel is.
Tracil
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Australia505 Posts
February 16 2008 08:52 GMT
#1190
Dr. Dragoon consistantly ignores the actual evidence that does point a tenuous finger in his direction in favour of demanding more evidence on himself. There are no cases on anyone else that are the stronger than on him at present. Please stop ignoring the fact that the entire game is a series of educated guesses/crapshoots/gambles whatever you want to call it.

Or, basically- if he is a townie, he should try to find and detail strong cases on other people rather than calling town a pack of idiots. You realise that even if you die and you're a townie, if town wins, you also win? If you've already come up with cases in the game, set them out again, because the thread is huge and the context of today is different than the context of yesterday, and also people are going to forget. Try to narrow your focus to just one or two other people rather than provide a broad range of people who might be mafia.

Remember, if you ARE a townie, *absolutely anyone is a better person to get lynched than you* from your perspective (there's a chance THEY are mafia, and if you know yourself to be town, then yourself getting lynched has a 0% chance of being a good move for town.) Also keep in mind that other people DON'T know your alignment, CAN'T know your alignment for sure, and you have to argue to convince *them*, not yourself.

i.e. "I'm a townie!!!!111" isn't gonna convince anyone.

<->

Likewise, Wurm, if you actually think Dr. Dragoon isn't a worthy lynch target and you have someone you think is *better*, point it out. Don't just go with the flow if you disagree with it. Nobody should try to target you *just* for speaking against the crowd (it depends on the content, naturally. But if your thoughts have merit...)
Shooting
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
February 16 2008 08:55 GMT
#1191
dr.dragoon is getting lynched, this is a guarantee

i'll withhold my vote for now, but feel free to try to convince me to use a double lynch. i'll vote for the secondary target with my 4 votes.
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
February 16 2008 08:56 GMT
#1192
that is, if someone makes a strong case about another person
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
betaben
Profile Blog Joined September 2007
681 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-16 16:26:22
February 16 2008 08:59 GMT
#1193
wft i'm dead? wtf? jesus fucking christ. wtf? what?
I come home, I've missed the finals and, to top it off, I'm dead? I've been waiting for day for ages to look for new clues and they killed me off? I said nothing so not to gain attention and you killed me?

what? waht? ggggggggggggggggggrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr. gr.

edit: sorry, this was a bit uncalled for. I was a bit not-sober
Dr.Dragoon
Profile Joined November 2007
United States1241 Posts
Last Edited: 2008-02-16 09:14:59
February 16 2008 09:12 GMT
#1194
On February 16 2008 17:52 Tracil wrote:
Dr. Dragoon consistantly ignores the actual evidence that does point a tenuous finger in his direction in favour of demanding more evidence on himself. There are no cases on anyone else that are the stronger than on him at present. Please stop ignoring the fact that the entire game is a series of educated guesses/crapshoots/gambles whatever you want to call it.

Or, basically- if he is a townie, he should try to find and detail strong cases on other people rather than calling town a pack of idiots. You realise that even if you die and you're a townie, if town wins, you also win? If you've already come up with cases in the game, set them out again, because the thread is huge and the context of today is different than the context of yesterday, and also people are going to forget. Try to narrow your focus to just one or two other people rather than provide a broad range of people who might be mafia.

Remember, if you ARE a townie, *absolutely anyone is a better person to get lynched than you* from your perspective (there's a chance THEY are mafia, and if you know yourself to be town, then yourself getting lynched has a 0% chance of being a good move for town.) Also keep in mind that other people DON'T know your alignment, CAN'T know your alignment for sure, and you have to argue to convince *them*, not yourself.

i.e. "I'm a townie!!!!111" isn't gonna convince anyone.

<->

Likewise, Wurm, if you actually think Dr. Dragoon isn't a worthy lynch target and you have someone you think is *better*, point it out. Don't just go with the flow if you disagree with it. Nobody should try to target you *just* for speaking against the crowd (it depends on the content, naturally. But if your thoughts have merit...)

There's not that much evidence. Anyone considering Shallow's pm is just plain wrong. I don't even see how anyone can really consider it as real proof. So the only evidence is the serum. There's like 10 other people matching subtle hints, some are bound to be wrong. I am one of them. Anyways, I've already figured out 3 of the mafia 100% sure. I won't be sharing it yet though, I'll reveal the 3 I've figured out if I live. If I get lynched, that's fine. You'll see I'm innocent, and that you just lost out on at least 3 mafioso.

You say I should make a strong argument to save myself. BS, I was done the minute Shallow posted the PM. I don't feel like just giving away mafioso when I'll get taken out when I run out of fullproof evidence.

Edit: Oh yeah, Tracil, if I get lynched and proven a townie, feel free to let me call you an idiot. For some reason, I find you the most annoying out of everyone who wants me dead. Dunno why though, maybe it's because you act so arrogant and know-it-all, when you're SOOO far off on everything. If you're mafia though, props to you, you play well.
~o~ I have returned
Tracil
Profile Blog Joined September 2005
Australia505 Posts
February 16 2008 09:15 GMT
#1195
...no. Bullshit. You do not extort town like that if you're a townie for the sake of your own survival. You do not hold yourself up as some kind of neutral party that 'could give you info, but I won't unless you let me live'. If you were really town and you really wanted town to win, you would do as much as you could to get information out there so that when you flip town, we can look back at your words and take them under consideration.

That whole post smacks of self-preservation at the expense of town's chances of winning. If any townies follow this example, we're fucked.
Shooting
Dr.Dragoon
Profile Joined November 2007
United States1241 Posts
February 16 2008 09:17 GMT
#1196
On February 16 2008 18:15 Tracil wrote:
...no. Bullshit. You do not extort town like that if you're a townie for the sake of your own survival. You do not hold yourself up as some kind of neutral party that 'could give you info, but I won't unless you let me live'. If you were really town and you really wanted town to win, you would do as much as you could to get information out there so that when you flip town, we can look back at your words and take them under consideration.

That whole post smacks of self-preservation at the expense of town's chances of winning. If any townies follow this example, we're fucked.

I'd rather live and lose than die and win.
~o~ I have returned
FakeSteve[TPR]
Profile Blog Joined July 2003
Valhalla18444 Posts
February 16 2008 09:19 GMT
#1197
you're going to die
Moderatormy tatsu loops r fuckin nice
wurm
Profile Joined October 2007
Philippines2296 Posts
February 16 2008 09:19 GMT
#1198
alrighty, time to risk my neck and throw around accusations. Looking back to the last day post, I've tried to find out why TWO mafia chose to go after mahnini. Shifting through this 60 page topic I found this.

On February 12 2008 14:22 ShaLLoW[baY] wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 12 2008 14:19 mahnini wrote:
On February 12 2008 14:05 Live2Win wrote:
On February 12 2008 13:53 mahnini wrote:
On February 12 2008 13:50 mahnini wrote:
On February 12 2008 13:48 CDRdude wrote:
I haven't been paying attention to this thread, but I have one thing to offer the file extension debate. On a Mac, screenshots are saved as a .png file, with a name of Picture 1 (if the name Picture 1 is taken, it'll use Picture 2, and so on).

He screenshotted his windows add/remove program window though, so he's not on a mac. Let's not discount the fact that maybe the mafia are working together and having someone with reputable photoshop skills post an image of a PM would draw attention to him.

To further elaborate on this, maybe someone photoshopped it, presented it to the mafia and they decided shallow should post it for whatever reason. His "habitual" .png saving doesn't make sense since his own paint picture is saved in .jpeg which he "left it on .jpeg", when in fact default the default save format for paint is .bmp (I said .gif earlier, my mistake).

First of all, .jpeg is the default save format for Paint.

Second, in my opinion you guys are thinking way ahead into this. The explanation "I saved in JPEG because last time I saved in .png people made a big fuss about it" is a perfectly good explanation, and I personally see no reason to be particularily suspicious about that.

The Dr.Dragoon case, however, still has me convinced he should be lynched.

I just checked and recheck. Default image format is 24-bit .bmp. It makes zero sense to change a picture to .jpeg after posting a previous picture in .png since he already established that he did it habitually, which he now disproved by posting a .jpeg. This still doesn't change the fact that this could be an elaborate mafia plot to test the waters so to speak of how to get rid of someone.


The entire forum shit on me for posting a .png the first time, so why would I do it again? Habits can be broken you know.

If, every day, you come home from school and smoke a joint before your parents get home, and one day they stay home sick, obviously you're not going to do it then. It's a silly comparaison but it's the same in essence.

Why wouldn't you do it again is a much better question! You claim to habitually save in .png yet are worried about being accused of saving an obviously edited image in .png? You can see how this inconsistency can be suspicious.


Looks to me, mahnini was onto something. After this whole .png/.jpeg discussion, there were no more mahnini posts. Also, I've long suspected of Live2Win being mafia, lo and behold he is defending another one of my mafia suspects, Shallow[bay].

A little more than a few hours later kAra was tossing in his sleep, artofmagic heard him from the next room and came in to see what was wrong.


Looks like a nightmare to me.

evanthebouncy! had his backed turn when he was attacked by a killer of the most precise control.


At first i couldn't link anybody to this until i saw the previous quote, what I got was:
RtS)Night[Mare

RTS=Real Time Strategy perhaps? Precise control needed to play? And going through the topic, his posts sounded like he was trying to be townie instead of being a real townie.

Also, it was basically a given that a mafioso was running for mayor, and my last accusation is:

SoMuchBetter 11
mahnini
chicken`
MyHeroNoob
Live2Win
Vharox
Folca
RtS)Night[Mare
ZaplinG
clazziquai
Eti307
Dr.Dragoon


3 possible mafioso's voting SoMuchBetter for mayor. Going through the first DAY post, a lot of people were accusing SMB of being mafia.

That's all I have.
I know where my towel is.
Hittegods
Profile Joined April 2007
Stockholm4642 Posts
February 16 2008 09:20 GMT
#1199
Then I'm voting for Dr.Dragoon to be lynched as well. No need for that attitude.
This neo violence, pure self defiance
Dr.Dragoon
Profile Joined November 2007
United States1241 Posts
February 16 2008 09:22 GMT
#1200
On February 16 2008 18:20 Hittegods wrote:
Then I'm voting for Dr.Dragoon to be lynched as well. No need for that attitude.

I'm sure you'd be annoyed if you were in my position too. Basically someone says you're mafia at the start of the game. 2 people actually believe it, and 15 others just bandwagon acting like they know what they're talking about.
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