EPTOn June 10 2024 08:40 raynpelikoneet wrote:
so both her and vivax mafia?
I absolutely think it's a possibility. Or maybe just one of them. Or possibly neither tbh, but I think there are solid reasons to suspect them (individually). I'm not sure yet, which is why I'd like to discuss it in a more focused manner, and hopefully more time will help clear it up too.Show nested quote +
On June 10 2024 08:38 Trfel wrote:
I get the impression that die_meatbaby is trying to blend in. Even if you ignore the low activity/invovlement, I don't get the impression that she's looking for mafia. The classic paranoia isn't really there, she expressed some suspicions about AlphaZero day 1 but didn't really pursue them much.
Also, the soft defense of scott31337 (I'm not going to vote for scott31337 yet but maybe I will later kinda thing) seems really bad to me. It's heavily mafia motivated to save mislynches for the future and to leave possibilities open.
I also feel like she has been avoiding involvement. She always says "I'll post more soon, I'll be more active soon" and then hasn't. Right now, she's hiding under the excuse of not wanting to post during the night phase.
I know there isn't a ton there, but die_meatbaby hasn't given us much to work with. And the town tells I would expect are distinctly not there. The stuff that is there, points to die_meatbaby being mafia.
On June 10 2024 08:16 raynpelikoneet wrote:
okay, and what about DMB?
Don't have any super amazing reasons, but die_meatbaby also hasn't done anything that makes me think she is town.On June 10 2024 08:13 Trfel wrote:
I don't like trying to characterize arguments as TvT or whatever, I think it's very difficult to do accurately with little reward.
Maybe a better approach is this:
Ignore the whole argument thing, it's hard to make sense of and it doesn't matter. There are reasons to suspect both Vivax and die_meatbaby individually that I think are well worth exploring, and I would like to go back to discussing those reasons. I'm not sure both are mafia, or even that one is, but they're both in my top suspects, so I would like to focus on that please.
In addition to the aforementioned reasons for Vivax, he's posted a lot, but I find his posts very uninspiring. I don't think there is anything he said that's particularly insightful, or anything he did that is particularly interesting. And he's had plenty of opportunity to do so. This is very subjective, so if you disagree that's fine, but I'd at least like a bit of evidence to back it up. Like, there are several, separate compelling reasons to lynch Vivax, I am not going to just let this slide.
On June 10 2024 08:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I literally made them to clutter up the thread.
How can you make that about them, just because "they did that"?
I didnt see anything that makes either of them mafia, i thought it was tvt. Did you?
I mean you did encourage them, but it's still their choice, no?On June 10 2024 08:05 Trfel wrote:
How does it make me look bad when my suspects are acting anti-town?
On June 10 2024 08:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Vivax/DMB is argument is really bad looking for Trfel tbh.
I'm very confused by this, I provide reasons to suspect them, then they clutter up the thread with nonsense, after which you say it makes me look bad?Vivax/DMB is argument is really bad looking for Trfel tbh.
How does it make me look bad when my suspects are acting anti-town?
I literally made them to clutter up the thread.
How can you make that about them, just because "they did that"?
I didnt see anything that makes either of them mafia, i thought it was tvt. Did you?
I don't like trying to characterize arguments as TvT or whatever, I think it's very difficult to do accurately with little reward.
Maybe a better approach is this:
Ignore the whole argument thing, it's hard to make sense of and it doesn't matter. There are reasons to suspect both Vivax and die_meatbaby individually that I think are well worth exploring, and I would like to go back to discussing those reasons. I'm not sure both are mafia, or even that one is, but they're both in my top suspects, so I would like to focus on that please.
In addition to the aforementioned reasons for Vivax, he's posted a lot, but I find his posts very uninspiring. I don't think there is anything he said that's particularly insightful, or anything he did that is particularly interesting. And he's had plenty of opportunity to do so. This is very subjective, so if you disagree that's fine, but I'd at least like a bit of evidence to back it up. Like, there are several, separate compelling reasons to lynch Vivax, I am not going to just let this slide.
okay, and what about DMB?
On June 09 2024 23:02 Trfel wrote:
Yes, I agree that die_meatbaby could definitely be mafia.
There's this, which I think is at least worth a response.On June 09 2024 23:00 Mocsta wrote:
It was literally in the post you last responded to me about
I reckon dmb is not trying to solve the game and is scummy
She said she wouldn't lynch scott31337 at this time but left the door wide, wide open for doing so in the future. So I wouldn't consider that a deterrent for future lynches.On June 09 2024 22:52 Trfel wrote:
@AlphaZero, I don't really have much to add. I tend to be right when I defend people suspected by most of the game, I think there was one time I was wrong maybe? But maybe you're right, I can stop, if scott31337 dies then so be it.
Dmb wouldn't vote ScottOn June 09 2024 22:24 Oatsmaster wrote:
Because kel is an infinitely easier lynch tmr?
You think so? I think scott31337 is a pretty easy lynch tomorrow (or at any point), but I could see that being wrong I suppose. Other than me and rsoultin, I don't think anyone was particularly vocal about not lynching scott31337?On June 09 2024 21:36 Trfel wrote:
@AlphaZero, for what it's worth I wasn't trying to "lead" anything.
@marvellosity, I'd consider lowering sandroba for sure. Maybe Vivax too but he might be fine there (I'm probably just paranoid). And I honestly would put Koshi higher, which I know you don't want to hear.
Could be wrong, the one game I played with mafia!Koshi had the slight issue of me also being mafia so I didn't play, so idk what mafia!Koshi is like, but if I had to guess I don't think it would be this.
@Oatsmaster, why wouldn't the reverse apply? Like, why wouldn't mafia be happy lynching town!Kelsi3r and saving the town!scott31337 lynch for tomorrow?
@AlphaZero, for what it's worth I wasn't trying to "lead" anything.
@marvellosity, I'd consider lowering sandroba for sure. Maybe Vivax too but he might be fine there (I'm probably just paranoid). And I honestly would put Koshi higher, which I know you don't want to hear.
Could be wrong, the one game I played with mafia!Koshi had the slight issue of me also being mafia so I didn't play, so idk what mafia!Koshi is like, but if I had to guess I don't think it would be this.
@Oatsmaster, why wouldn't the reverse apply? Like, why wouldn't mafia be happy lynching town!Kelsi3r and saving the town!scott31337 lynch for tomorrow?
Because kel is an infinitely easier lynch tmr?
@AlphaZero, I don't really have much to add. I tend to be right when I defend people suspected by most of the game, I think there was one time I was wrong maybe? But maybe you're right, I can stop, if scott31337 dies then so be it.
It was literally in the post you last responded to me about
I reckon dmb is not trying to solve the game and is scummy
Yes, I agree that die_meatbaby could definitely be mafia.
On June 08 2024 10:01 die_meatbaby wrote:
I just wanted to remind you
you cannot make the same bs twice
On June 08 2024 09:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
I’d go after you no? Why would I go after vivax? Answer the question please
On June 08 2024 09:46 die_meatbaby wrote:
Are you looking for the weakest players again like in your last mafia game?
On June 08 2024 09:36 Oatsmaster wrote:
Source on the mafia meta read?
On June 08 2024 09:04 die_meatbaby wrote:
Is first time you play with vivax?
I am used to always read vivax first because for me are 2 option with vivax
first when i am mafia I have to get him out of the game as fast as possibole
second is if i am town he is still the "easiest" read for me.
If vivax is mafia he just posting random shit, jokes, memes, off the topic stuff and hating the government of austria
if he is Town he actually trys to tell us his opinion, try to find scummy shit, beeing paranoid about chez but he is not in the game and hating the government of austria.
For me he looks like Town (atm)
you have any other scum reads?
On June 08 2024 08:17 AlphaZero wrote:
I’ll lynch vivax with you oats.
Vote:vivax
I’ll lynch vivax with you oats.
Vote:vivax
Is first time you play with vivax?
I am used to always read vivax first because for me are 2 option with vivax
first when i am mafia I have to get him out of the game as fast as possibole
second is if i am town he is still the "easiest" read for me.
If vivax is mafia he just posting random shit, jokes, memes, off the topic stuff and hating the government of austria
if he is Town he actually trys to tell us his opinion, try to find scummy shit, beeing paranoid about chez but he is not in the game and hating the government of austria.
For me he looks like Town (atm)
you have any other scum reads?
Source on the mafia meta read?
Are you looking for the weakest players again like in your last mafia game?
I’d go after you no? Why would I go after vivax? Answer the question please
I just wanted to remind you
you cannot make the same bs twice
On June 08 2024 10:19 die_meatbaby wrote:
I am not pushing him as mafia(atm). i just wanted to remind him that some things should not be done twice
Maybe I'm making something out of nothing, but these posts are at least worth looking into? Why would die_meatbaby, as town, warn someone not to do something that would give them away as mafia?On June 08 2024 10:13 rsoultin wrote:
i mean the having icky vibes off az i can identify with but maybe your time would be better spent catching up if you're just throwing shade at oats because he was pushing you as mafia in an earlier game
i mean the having icky vibes off az i can identify with but maybe your time would be better spent catching up if you're just throwing shade at oats because he was pushing you as mafia in an earlier game
I am not pushing him as mafia(atm). i just wanted to remind him that some things should not be done twice
On June 09 2024 23:30 die_meatbaby wrote:
I try and i will even try more as soon as the people here getting activ. How the fuck should i find out who the fuck is mafia if half of the people not playing where is slam, sandro, rayn,..... guys come on pls write something here.
This post is quite scummy as well.On June 09 2024 23:00 Mocsta wrote:
It was literally in the post you last responded to me about
I reckon dmb is not trying to solve the game and is scummy
On June 09 2024 22:52 Trfel wrote:
@AlphaZero, I don't really have much to add. I tend to be right when I defend people suspected by most of the game, I think there was one time I was wrong maybe? But maybe you're right, I can stop, if scott31337 dies then so be it.
Dmb wouldn't vote ScottOn June 09 2024 22:24 Oatsmaster wrote:
Because kel is an infinitely easier lynch tmr?
You think so? I think scott31337 is a pretty easy lynch tomorrow (or at any point), but I could see that being wrong I suppose. Other than me and rsoultin, I don't think anyone was particularly vocal about not lynching scott31337?On June 09 2024 21:36 Trfel wrote:
@AlphaZero, for what it's worth I wasn't trying to "lead" anything.
@marvellosity, I'd consider lowering sandroba for sure. Maybe Vivax too but he might be fine there (I'm probably just paranoid). And I honestly would put Koshi higher, which I know you don't want to hear.
Could be wrong, the one game I played with mafia!Koshi had the slight issue of me also being mafia so I didn't play, so idk what mafia!Koshi is like, but if I had to guess I don't think it would be this.
@Oatsmaster, why wouldn't the reverse apply? Like, why wouldn't mafia be happy lynching town!Kelsi3r and saving the town!scott31337 lynch for tomorrow?
@AlphaZero, for what it's worth I wasn't trying to "lead" anything.
@marvellosity, I'd consider lowering sandroba for sure. Maybe Vivax too but he might be fine there (I'm probably just paranoid). And I honestly would put Koshi higher, which I know you don't want to hear.
Could be wrong, the one game I played with mafia!Koshi had the slight issue of me also being mafia so I didn't play, so idk what mafia!Koshi is like, but if I had to guess I don't think it would be this.
@Oatsmaster, why wouldn't the reverse apply? Like, why wouldn't mafia be happy lynching town!Kelsi3r and saving the town!scott31337 lynch for tomorrow?
Because kel is an infinitely easier lynch tmr?
@AlphaZero, I don't really have much to add. I tend to be right when I defend people suspected by most of the game, I think there was one time I was wrong maybe? But maybe you're right, I can stop, if scott31337 dies then so be it.
It was literally in the post you last responded to me about
I reckon dmb is not trying to solve the game and is scummy
I try and i will even try more as soon as the people here getting activ. How the fuck should i find out who the fuck is mafia if half of the people not playing where is slam, sandro, rayn,..... guys come on pls write something here.
I get the impression that die_meatbaby is trying to blend in. Even if you ignore the low activity/invovlement, I don't get the impression that she's looking for mafia. The classic paranoia isn't really there, she expressed some suspicions about AlphaZero day 1 but didn't really pursue them much.
Also, the soft defense of scott31337 (I'm not going to vote for scott31337 yet but maybe I will later kinda thing) seems really bad to me. It's heavily mafia motivated to save mislynches for the future and to leave possibilities open.
I also feel like she has been avoiding involvement. She always says "I'll post more soon, I'll be more active soon" and then hasn't. Right now, she's hiding under the excuse of not wanting to post during the night phase.
I know there isn't a ton there, but die_meatbaby hasn't given us much to work with. And the town tells I would expect are distinctly not there. The stuff that is there, points to die_meatbaby being mafia.
so both her and vivax mafia?
