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On March 05 2024 07:20 raynpelikoneet wrote:
you are fucking stupid. let it be known now.
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On March 05 2024 07:20 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 07:17 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 04:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:31 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:23 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:19 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 04:10 Alakaslam wrote:On March 05 2024 04:08 iamperfection wrote:
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No how so. Isn't Koshi saying he suspects a fake claim from Vivax? This would be because Vivax is usually very adverse to real claiming, Which implies this is a gambit for mayor. If Vivax wasn't under pressure, that is further evidence it was a gambit for mayor. Where is my comprehension/logic problem? He is not fake claiming thats not what he would do. As I already know fake claiming always be exposed at some point and as he loves to play here on TL he would not risk a fake claim as scum and risking an early lynch. Just feels so wrong and it would be not comparable with any game I habe read of him. Maybe he is Town and claims so we get a town mayor but even that doesn´t seem like his meta Why would Vivax think we don't get town mayor as he thinks i am town? Correction: I currently think you are town. But I know I'm town. Yes but how does DMB come to conclusion that while you thinking i am town, you need to claim to have a town mayor? Because for me that seems like an insane thought process. No it's clear rationality. How do you protect the role that can't protect itself but other players? You make it mayor. They have to kill three randomly selected BGS before they can NK me. If we get the roleblocker I become a jailkeeper with medic protection. It's honestly mind boggling I have to explain. I understand your point. I really do. It just hinges on us getting the roleblocker where there is no guarantee on. Otherwise none of this matters because most likely there is nothing else to roleblock than you.... I don't usually live long as town. There is perhaps some logic to that. I am not sure if you know this but i am 11/4 in LYLO (let it be F-3, F-5, or F-7) situations. From those games, one is where i had the correct read and i just couldnt for my life convince Oats to vote for VA over me even when the mafia dude was voting for Oats (lol). One i got right but i still consider it a loss, because i think Art/rsoul slot cheated to get me townread them and DP was mafia (RSM2). So basically i am really fucking good when i live long enough. I just: 1) dont get to live long enough 2) dont have enough "decent people" around long enough Both of these can be avoided this game, (2) naturally and (1) by making me a mayor. I have never been lynched in LYLO as town, have you? Does it tell you anything about how you/me look to other people and who is more trusthworthy (if we assume we have good reads -- as i legit know you DO have good reads most of the time, later on in the game)? The only other player i would genuinely say is on par or even perhaps better than i am late game as town is marv. Who even tracks how much they are in lylo situations. 11/4 really? Is this supposed to convince anybody? In that case: In the last 5 games I have been nkilled 3 times on N1, 1 time on N2 and I was once mafia. Pretty sure my reads were okish during those 4 towngames and on top I was lock town always. So unless you guys are going to attempt to say I am potential mafia. I am a good pick. But I think I like vivax for town mayor. Let mafia waste their RB on him. We might get the RB and then have a fully protected blue role. Pretty awesome. I am not ever going to vote this shitshow mason trash marv/rayn dumbfuck thing. Not ever. I wonder what mafia thinks of a mayor that is jailkeeper tbh. Somewhat frightening for sure. If they have a RB they would be quite happy about it I assume.
They are for sure not unhappy.
But it HAPPENED.
So what is the smartest move now?
Make the shitshow rayn mayor?
Or an actual blue role.
Do you want our bluerole shot on N?
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On March 05 2024 07:20 Koshi wrote:
Also. I think I like the RB wasted on our Jailkeeper. It is not as good as our investigation role. So let them waste it on Vivax and let the cop do his job free of fear.
Jailkeeper is easier to work around anyway. And less punishing than a 3 reads cop.
Or we could have a mayor that can steer town in a good direction without mafia being able to shoot him for a while. No offense to Vivax, but the reactions to his claim show that is not him.
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On March 05 2024 07:00 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Why are you voting Vivax for mayor DP?
Detailed reasoning pls just not say he's town PR.
That is the reason though. It's just the correct play right now.
Even you voted him mayor over yourself, so what's your issue here?
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It is a no brainer to me.
I do not want our Jailkeeper dead on N1.
The only way to prevent that is by making him mayor.
Mafia is smarter than town and understands that.
Vivax is getting shit on even after our situation changed. And those 2 bigbrains in their mason should know better but want to make shitshow rayn mayor.
pathetic.
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On March 05 2024 06:58 VisceraEyes wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 06:56 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 06:51 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 05 2024 06:49 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 06:47 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 05 2024 06:43 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 06:42 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 05 2024 06:41 CopCake wrote:On March 05 2024 06:36 VisceraEyes wrote:On March 05 2024 06:33 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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I dont think you being angry should convince anyone to vote for you.
Just the fact you're avoiding to play the game. I'm playing. I have reads. But none of them are meaningful and are subject to change with further information. None of my reads are based on anything that would convince anyone of anything, so I'm just not sharing them. I've told you how I'm going to vote today, because that's true. I'll maybe share my less meaningful reads later by way of explaining reads that are backed up with facts and info. But there's no point in sharing them now because no one really cares who I think is mafia. They only care if I'm mafia, and this game I'm not. I am not mean to you  Not sure where it says Cake is mean to me in the post you quoted could you highlight it? I have tried to engage with you and this is the first time you answered me, has nothing to do with your post. No I just miss it because this thread is crazy right now what's up? Tell me two mafia, two town and two stupid people. That sounds suspiciously like making me give reads which is like the same thing rayn was just doing! I really wish you could just post some reads. This is why you get lynched early btw. Oh please, I innovated the list post DP, some of my most gorgeous work has been on D1. I get lynched early because people are cowards.
I agree, which is why i find it weird you would be talking about how noone can have reads and you don;t have reads that are meaningful.
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On March 05 2024 07:24 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 07:20 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 07:17 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 04:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:31 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:23 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:19 die_meatbaby wrote:On March 05 2024 04:10 Alakaslam wrote:
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Isn't Koshi saying he suspects a fake claim from Vivax?
This would be because Vivax is usually very adverse to real claiming,
Which implies this is a gambit for mayor.
If Vivax wasn't under pressure, that is further evidence it was a gambit for mayor.
Where is my comprehension/logic problem? He is not fake claiming thats not what he would do. As I already know fake claiming always be exposed at some point and as he loves to play here on TL he would not risk a fake claim as scum and risking an early lynch. Just feels so wrong and it would be not comparable with any game I habe read of him. Maybe he is Town and claims so we get a town mayor but even that doesn´t seem like his meta Why would Vivax think we don't get town mayor as he thinks i am town? Correction: I currently think you are town. But I know I'm town. Yes but how does DMB come to conclusion that while you thinking i am town, you need to claim to have a town mayor? Because for me that seems like an insane thought process. No it's clear rationality. How do you protect the role that can't protect itself but other players? You make it mayor. They have to kill three randomly selected BGS before they can NK me. If we get the roleblocker I become a jailkeeper with medic protection. It's honestly mind boggling I have to explain. I understand your point. I really do. It just hinges on us getting the roleblocker where there is no guarantee on. Otherwise none of this matters because most likely there is nothing else to roleblock than you.... I don't usually live long as town. There is perhaps some logic to that. I am not sure if you know this but i am 11/4 in LYLO (let it be F-3, F-5, or F-7) situations. From those games, one is where i had the correct read and i just couldnt for my life convince Oats to vote for VA over me even when the mafia dude was voting for Oats (lol). One i got right but i still consider it a loss, because i think Art/rsoul slot cheated to get me townread them and DP was mafia (RSM2). So basically i am really fucking good when i live long enough. I just: 1) dont get to live long enough 2) dont have enough "decent people" around long enough Both of these can be avoided this game, (2) naturally and (1) by making me a mayor. I have never been lynched in LYLO as town, have you? Does it tell you anything about how you/me look to other people and who is more trusthworthy (if we assume we have good reads -- as i legit know you DO have good reads most of the time, later on in the game)? The only other player i would genuinely say is on par or even perhaps better than i am late game as town is marv. Who even tracks how much they are in lylo situations. 11/4 really? Is this supposed to convince anybody? In that case: In the last 5 games I have been nkilled 3 times on N1, 1 time on N2 and I was once mafia. Pretty sure my reads were okish during those 4 towngames and on top I was lock town always. So unless you guys are going to attempt to say I am potential mafia. I am a good pick. But I think I like vivax for town mayor. Let mafia waste their RB on him. We might get the RB and then have a fully protected blue role. Pretty awesome. I am not ever going to vote this shitshow mason trash marv/rayn dumbfuck thing. Not ever. I wonder what mafia thinks of a mayor that is jailkeeper tbh. Somewhat frightening for sure. If they have a RB they would be quite happy about it I assume. They are for sure not unhappy. But it HAPPENED. So what is the smartest move now? Make the shitshow rayn mayor? Or an actual blue role. Do you want our bluerole shot on N?
Tbh I'd rather see Vivax die in the night than being mayor. At least if I am convinced of a good candidate.
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On March 05 2024 07:24 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 07:20 Koshi wrote:
Also. I think I like the RB wasted on our Jailkeeper. It is not as good as our investigation role. So let them waste it on Vivax and let the cop do his job free of fear.
Jailkeeper is easier to work around anyway. And less punishing than a 3 reads cop. Or we could have a mayor that can steer town in a good direction without mafia being able to shoot him for a while. No offense to Vivax, but the reactions to his claim show that is not him.
The reactions are from mafia and an upset iamp.
I was also upset at first but now it is our only right play.
Unless we reasonable doubt the claim.
But he backed it up his claim once and I think we all kinda believe it.
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On March 05 2024 07:07 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Dunno why Rels is so hung up on THAT slot over any other.
Probably because it is easy, and everything else is hard.
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On March 05 2024 07:27 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 07:24 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 07:20 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 07:17 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 04:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:31 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:23 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:19 die_meatbaby wrote:
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He is not fake claiming thats not what he would do.
As I already know fake claiming always be exposed at some point and as he loves to play here on TL he would not risk a fake claim as scum and risking an early lynch. Just feels so wrong and it would be not comparable with any game I habe read of him. Maybe he is Town and claims so we get a town mayor but even that doesn´t seem like his meta Why would Vivax think we don't get town mayor as he thinks i am town? Correction: I currently think you are town. But I know I'm town. Yes but how does DMB come to conclusion that while you thinking i am town, you need to claim to have a town mayor? Because for me that seems like an insane thought process. No it's clear rationality. How do you protect the role that can't protect itself but other players? You make it mayor. They have to kill three randomly selected BGS before they can NK me. If we get the roleblocker I become a jailkeeper with medic protection. It's honestly mind boggling I have to explain. I understand your point. I really do. It just hinges on us getting the roleblocker where there is no guarantee on. Otherwise none of this matters because most likely there is nothing else to roleblock than you.... I don't usually live long as town. There is perhaps some logic to that. I am not sure if you know this but i am 11/4 in LYLO (let it be F-3, F-5, or F-7) situations. From those games, one is where i had the correct read and i just couldnt for my life convince Oats to vote for VA over me even when the mafia dude was voting for Oats (lol). One i got right but i still consider it a loss, because i think Art/rsoul slot cheated to get me townread them and DP was mafia (RSM2). So basically i am really fucking good when i live long enough. I just: 1) dont get to live long enough 2) dont have enough "decent people" around long enough Both of these can be avoided this game, (2) naturally and (1) by making me a mayor. I have never been lynched in LYLO as town, have you? Does it tell you anything about how you/me look to other people and who is more trusthworthy (if we assume we have good reads -- as i legit know you DO have good reads most of the time, later on in the game)? The only other player i would genuinely say is on par or even perhaps better than i am late game as town is marv. Who even tracks how much they are in lylo situations. 11/4 really? Is this supposed to convince anybody? In that case: In the last 5 games I have been nkilled 3 times on N1, 1 time on N2 and I was once mafia. Pretty sure my reads were okish during those 4 towngames and on top I was lock town always. So unless you guys are going to attempt to say I am potential mafia. I am a good pick. But I think I like vivax for town mayor. Let mafia waste their RB on him. We might get the RB and then have a fully protected blue role. Pretty awesome. I am not ever going to vote this shitshow mason trash marv/rayn dumbfuck thing. Not ever. I wonder what mafia thinks of a mayor that is jailkeeper tbh. Somewhat frightening for sure. If they have a RB they would be quite happy about it I assume. They are for sure not unhappy. But it HAPPENED. So what is the smartest move now? Make the shitshow rayn mayor? Or an actual blue role. Do you want our bluerole shot on N? Tbh I'd rather see Vivax die in the night than being mayor. At least if I am convinced of a good candidate.
out of spite? Vivax is a very capable town player.
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On March 05 2024 07:20 Koshi wrote:
Also. I think I like the RB wasted on our Jailkeeper. It is not as good as our investigation role. So let them waste it on Vivax and let the cop do his job free of fear.
Jailkeeper is easier to work around anyway. And less punishing than a 3 reads cop.
agree.
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On March 05 2024 07:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##vote DarthPunk
lol why?
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On March 05 2024 07:29 DarthPunk wrote:lol why?
youre mafia. gn.
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On March 05 2024 07:27 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 07:27 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 07:24 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 07:20 justanothertownie wrote:On March 05 2024 07:17 Koshi wrote:On March 05 2024 04:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:31 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:29 raynpelikoneet wrote:On March 05 2024 04:23 Vivax wrote:On March 05 2024 04:21 raynpelikoneet wrote:
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Why would Vivax think we don't get town mayor as he thinks i am town? Correction: I currently think you are town. But I know I'm town. Yes but how does DMB come to conclusion that while you thinking i am town, you need to claim to have a town mayor? Because for me that seems like an insane thought process. No it's clear rationality. How do you protect the role that can't protect itself but other players? You make it mayor. They have to kill three randomly selected BGS before they can NK me. If we get the roleblocker I become a jailkeeper with medic protection. It's honestly mind boggling I have to explain. I understand your point. I really do. It just hinges on us getting the roleblocker where there is no guarantee on. Otherwise none of this matters because most likely there is nothing else to roleblock than you.... I don't usually live long as town. There is perhaps some logic to that. I am not sure if you know this but i am 11/4 in LYLO (let it be F-3, F-5, or F-7) situations. From those games, one is where i had the correct read and i just couldnt for my life convince Oats to vote for VA over me even when the mafia dude was voting for Oats (lol). One i got right but i still consider it a loss, because i think Art/rsoul slot cheated to get me townread them and DP was mafia (RSM2). So basically i am really fucking good when i live long enough. I just: 1) dont get to live long enough 2) dont have enough "decent people" around long enough Both of these can be avoided this game, (2) naturally and (1) by making me a mayor. I have never been lynched in LYLO as town, have you? Does it tell you anything about how you/me look to other people and who is more trusthworthy (if we assume we have good reads -- as i legit know you DO have good reads most of the time, later on in the game)? The only other player i would genuinely say is on par or even perhaps better than i am late game as town is marv. Who even tracks how much they are in lylo situations. 11/4 really? Is this supposed to convince anybody? In that case: In the last 5 games I have been nkilled 3 times on N1, 1 time on N2 and I was once mafia. Pretty sure my reads were okish during those 4 towngames and on top I was lock town always. So unless you guys are going to attempt to say I am potential mafia. I am a good pick. But I think I like vivax for town mayor. Let mafia waste their RB on him. We might get the RB and then have a fully protected blue role. Pretty awesome. I am not ever going to vote this shitshow mason trash marv/rayn dumbfuck thing. Not ever. I wonder what mafia thinks of a mayor that is jailkeeper tbh. Somewhat frightening for sure. If they have a RB they would be quite happy about it I assume. They are for sure not unhappy. But it HAPPENED. So what is the smartest move now? Make the shitshow rayn mayor? Or an actual blue role. Do you want our bluerole shot on N? Tbh I'd rather see Vivax die in the night than being mayor. At least if I am convinced of a good candidate. out of spite? Vivax is a very capable town player.
Not out of spite. But he will not be calm/collected/respected enough to be a helpful presence I fear. Even if we believe the claim.
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On March 05 2024 07:24 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 07:20 Koshi wrote:
Also. I think I like the RB wasted on our Jailkeeper. It is not as good as our investigation role. So let them waste it on Vivax and let the cop do his job free of fear.
Jailkeeper is easier to work around anyway. And less punishing than a 3 reads cop. Or we could have a mayor that can steer town in a good direction without mafia being able to shoot him for a while. No offense to Vivax, but the reactions to his claim show that is not him.
I don't steer those, the other players do.
But it seems that reason still exists.
Do you know how annoying it is for mafia to have to find all randomly selected bodyguards before being able to hit a blue?
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On March 05 2024 07:30 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 07:29 DarthPunk wrote:On March 05 2024 07:27 raynpelikoneet wrote:
##vote DarthPunk lol why? youre mafia. gn.
Love this.
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Maybe rayn has a godread on mafia copcake and is just whiteknighting her.
Mind you, that's not something that would particularly bother me but it could explain his suboptimal decision making.
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A marv or Koshi mayor would be ideal in my mind provided they prove themselves town until the day is over.
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