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On March 11 2024 13:22 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 13:18 CopCake wrote:
Darth, did my team or not conceded a game we were winning because we felt bad for Slam? If you're talking about the game 10 months ago, you were not winning, the whole game felt bad for Slam and collectively asked to call it off. Kinda a low move to pull that game up now to try and prove a point.
Or here. He‘s burying the counterwagon to what he wants lynched
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So I'm at work right now, but I'll go and filter people and give reads before I die. I'm mostly caught up now so it shouldn't take long once I start working on it, but I'll entertain no questions and there will be no flash photography. Thank you.
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Most of the thread wants both lynched Vivax :/
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On March 11 2024 13:58 DarthPunk wrote:
Most of the thread wants both lynched Vivax :/
I can see that but at least have the decency to argue for a lynch on who you want to vote.
Otherwise it‘s just scummy
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On March 11 2024 13:44 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 13:41 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 13:09 DarthPunk wrote:
It bothers me because it just gives mafia a blueprint to keep me alive until so that the confirmed unkillable mayor will push for the wrong lynch at mylo.
It is literally that obviously bad what you are doing right now. I also really hate the way you play this game Vivax. I'm happy that you're blue so you're confirmed, but I disagree with probably 90% of your posts. Most of the time, I don't even udnerstand where you're coming from, if it's a real thought or not, etc. Random attacks on me doesn't help too I know you always had a whacky style of play, but in my mind it was always very effective at finding mafia hidden in the town circle. I don't see it that game How so ? Oats was in some ways a lot townier than what we are trying to lynch. Shiny posts, lots of explanations, tenacity. Suddenly all scum are just uncooperative players ? I don‘t think so.
I agree with the general idea, actually posted more or less the same just before. It doesn't feel right that the team is simply VE / CC / DMB.
But I don't think I've read a single post of yours that makes me go "mm, that's a good point on X". Most of the time, it's just garbage logic, so bad that it feels like it's a trap for someone. But it cannot be a trap for days and days, can it?
The thing you just posted on CopCake is the perfect example.
On March 11 2024 13:40 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 13:37 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 13:34 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 13:27 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 13:22 CopCake wrote:On March 11 2024 13:18 CopCake wrote:
Darth, did my team or not conceded a game we were winning because we felt bad for Slam? This can also go to vivax so you can explain jelaous what happened that game. What's Vivax's going rate? How much does he charge to be your advocate? Why do you have to hire outside help to make your own points to justify promises you never delivered on? Should I lawyer up too at this point? Wtf. I don‘t share the opinion of half the game I must be a lawyer Sarcasm aside, I just want to know what point CopCake is trying to make and apparently you've been selected to make it, so I'm all ears. I don‘t follow but if Copcake is town here she‘s fighting a massive uphill battle so it‘s hard to sound perfectly reasonaböe.
Yes, being pressured as town is hard, sometimes town say screw it, will curse or rage at people, or make suboptimal posts, OK. But you're going to tell me that her posts today has been that way? The focus almost entirely on mechanics / who got roleblocked / what scums and what roles exist. The logic is very, very bad. Even worse than that, there is no goal to it - the only conclusion that can come from it is that DP is scum, but that conclusion is not coming out.
So Vivax, what do you see? Outside of "CC is being pushed so much she cannot be scum", why are her posts townie?
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I mean Mz complained about me being Oats advocate yesterday but he must have agreed with some points and just forgot because he doesn‘t have real reads
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because he switched off too
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Why is VE town, apart from "this game is too easy"?
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On March 11 2024 13:53 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 13:51 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 13:40 CopCake wrote:On March 11 2024 13:36 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 13:08 CopCake wrote:On March 11 2024 13:00 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 12:57 CopCake wrote:On March 11 2024 12:56 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 12:51 CopCake wrote:
The problem is
Why not kill DP when we have
- vivax jailing Slam so his cop check doesnt work
- kill DP who is about to kill mafia TTS/Cake/DMB
If two of those are real mafia, I think blocking DP takes priority and not blocking vivax to kill slam, I mean the cop check would had been blocked.
I saw this in your filter too, in my mind it's not even a question. I mean, killing DP or not might be a question, but roleblock wise, scum HAD to RB Vivax and kill Slam Scum cannot know who Vivax will target, so that's the only plan where you get your 2 KPs + be sure there isn't another check. Any other plan, you risk having one of your KP blocked by Vivax The second KP (the marv one) could have been used to kill DP yeah, but killing marv is super logical too Mafia knows who vivax is going to target if DP claimed vet. They can make an educated guess that is the most logical, but they cannot be 100% sure Mafia knows some stuff tho These is what happened according to what has been posted here - vivax jailed darth punk - jsl gave a gun to darth - slam checked oats - darth is vet We know mafia didnt block slam so they pretty much blocked vivax. If we go by that, darth needs to have his vest 100% unless mafia vig vigged darth but wouldnt the jail prevent that? So darth has his vest intact. From that logic I think is obvious vivax would have protected slam the next night. Obvious is different from 100% sure Why not go for the 100% plan I don't really undertand what you are arguing, that DP is scum because he wasn't roleblocked? Only question is why not block a big boi who said he would kill either scum TTS/cake/DMB. I am using that to say “because there is only one mafia there and dmb and cake are town” ??? Even handwaving the way that it's not what happened (pretty DP said he was going to kill them to a lot more people last night), in your scenario, why would scum block a shot that had a 2/3 chance of killing town? Go sleep, you have interviews, gonna answer this maybe later.
Thanks, this game is fucking addictive when you finally have some flips lol
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On March 11 2024 14:00 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 13:44 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 13:41 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 13:09 DarthPunk wrote:
It bothers me because it just gives mafia a blueprint to keep me alive until so that the confirmed unkillable mayor will push for the wrong lynch at mylo.
It is literally that obviously bad what you are doing right now. I also really hate the way you play this game Vivax. I'm happy that you're blue so you're confirmed, but I disagree with probably 90% of your posts. Most of the time, I don't even udnerstand where you're coming from, if it's a real thought or not, etc. Random attacks on me doesn't help too I know you always had a whacky style of play, but in my mind it was always very effective at finding mafia hidden in the town circle. I don't see it that game How so ? Oats was in some ways a lot townier than what we are trying to lynch. Shiny posts, lots of explanations, tenacity. Suddenly all scum are just uncooperative players ? I don‘t think so. I agree with the general idea, actually posted more or less the same just before. It doesn't feel right that the team is simply VE / CC / DMB. But I don't think I've read a single post of yours that makes me go "mm, that's a good point on X". Most of the time, it's just garbage logic, so bad that it feels like it's a trap for someone. But it cannot be a trap for days and days, can it? The thing you just posted on CopCake is the perfect example. Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 13:40 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 13:37 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 13:34 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 13:27 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 13:22 CopCake wrote:On March 11 2024 13:18 CopCake wrote:
Darth, did my team or not conceded a game we were winning because we felt bad for Slam? This can also go to vivax so you can explain jelaous what happened that game. What's Vivax's going rate? How much does he charge to be your advocate? Why do you have to hire outside help to make your own points to justify promises you never delivered on? Should I lawyer up too at this point? Wtf. I don‘t share the opinion of half the game I must be a lawyer Sarcasm aside, I just want to know what point CopCake is trying to make and apparently you've been selected to make it, so I'm all ears. I don‘t follow but if Copcake is town here she‘s fighting a massive uphill battle so it‘s hard to sound perfectly reasonaböe. Yes, being pressured as town is hard, sometimes town say screw it, will curse or rage at people, or make suboptimal posts, OK. But you're going to tell me that her posts today has been that way? The focus almost entirely on mechanics / who got roleblocked / what scums and what roles exist. The logic is very, very bad. Even worse than that, there is no goal to it - the only conclusion that can come from it is that DP is scum, but that conclusion is not coming out. So Vivax, what do you see? Outside of "CC is being pushed so much she cannot be scum", why are her posts townie?
I‘d rather have you see what makes Mz and jealous mafia. And I wrote why
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On March 11 2024 13:56 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 13:43 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 13:15 DarthPunk wrote:On March 11 2024 13:11 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 13:09 DarthPunk wrote:
It bothers me because it just gives mafia a blueprint to keep me alive until so that the confirmed unkillable mayor will push for the wrong lynch at mylo.
It is literally that obviously bad what you are doing right now. If you are town then explain to me why Jealous and MZ can‘t be scum. I am not that confident on either of them to say they CAN'T be scum. I think that they are both town though, Jealous, his interactions in the QT were really townie and hard to fake in the moment. Clearing DMB in the way that he did for example, is something I would not expect scum to do in the way that he did. His reads have aligned with mine. His hapa=Town view early was really good and townie imo. MZ: Looks really bad in a way that makes me think he is just fearless townie saying what he believes regardless of the consequences. Has spent heaps of time scum hunting and filter diving this phase when he didn't have to and which is more than can be said for others here. Can you expand on the Jealous thought? What was hard to fake? Totally agree on MZ Just the level of interaction and thought processes that made sense, we talked ALOT in our discord chat, and aside from the one thing that bothered me he came across as townie to me. For example, he really really wanted oats to be lynched and thought he was mafia, and thought that the people not wanting to lynch oats were fishing for scum. Not once did he want to not lynch oats/ Just a whole bunch of really townie takes that I don't think make sense for him. I also don't think his positing on copcake makes any sense if they are partnered.
Thanks. Can't comment on the Discord stuff obviously, but I feel like the "people not voting Oats are suspicious" can be a posture or mantra that's easy to follow as scum
I didn't like that he went this way against Koshi and Vivax D2 but didn't really have an objective to where he would take him. Even though to my knowledge he didn't get a satisfactory answer, I don't think he got a conclusion on Koshi. I might be wrong (missed the last 24 hours before I came back)
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Rels looking really good this phase gotta say.
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On March 11 2024 14:03 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 14:00 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 13:44 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 13:41 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 13:09 DarthPunk wrote:
It bothers me because it just gives mafia a blueprint to keep me alive until so that the confirmed unkillable mayor will push for the wrong lynch at mylo.
It is literally that obviously bad what you are doing right now. I also really hate the way you play this game Vivax. I'm happy that you're blue so you're confirmed, but I disagree with probably 90% of your posts. Most of the time, I don't even udnerstand where you're coming from, if it's a real thought or not, etc. Random attacks on me doesn't help too I know you always had a whacky style of play, but in my mind it was always very effective at finding mafia hidden in the town circle. I don't see it that game How so ? Oats was in some ways a lot townier than what we are trying to lynch. Shiny posts, lots of explanations, tenacity. Suddenly all scum are just uncooperative players ? I don‘t think so. I agree with the general idea, actually posted more or less the same just before. It doesn't feel right that the team is simply VE / CC / DMB. But I don't think I've read a single post of yours that makes me go "mm, that's a good point on X". Most of the time, it's just garbage logic, so bad that it feels like it's a trap for someone. But it cannot be a trap for days and days, can it? The thing you just posted on CopCake is the perfect example. On March 11 2024 13:40 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 13:37 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 13:34 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 13:27 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 13:22 CopCake wrote:On March 11 2024 13:18 CopCake wrote:
Darth, did my team or not conceded a game we were winning because we felt bad for Slam? This can also go to vivax so you can explain jelaous what happened that game. What's Vivax's going rate? How much does he charge to be your advocate? Why do you have to hire outside help to make your own points to justify promises you never delivered on? Should I lawyer up too at this point? Wtf. I don‘t share the opinion of half the game I must be a lawyer Sarcasm aside, I just want to know what point CopCake is trying to make and apparently you've been selected to make it, so I'm all ears. I don‘t follow but if Copcake is town here she‘s fighting a massive uphill battle so it‘s hard to sound perfectly reasonaböe. Yes, being pressured as town is hard, sometimes town say screw it, will curse or rage at people, or make suboptimal posts, OK. But you're going to tell me that her posts today has been that way? The focus almost entirely on mechanics / who got roleblocked / what scums and what roles exist. The logic is very, very bad. Even worse than that, there is no goal to it - the only conclusion that can come from it is that DP is scum, but that conclusion is not coming out. So Vivax, what do you see? Outside of "CC is being pushed so much she cannot be scum", why are her posts townie? I‘d rather have you see what makes Mz and jealous mafia. And I wrote why
If you want my take before I go to sleep, link or quote?
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On March 11 2024 12:16 Vivax wrote:
Jealous great effort but posting so much is scummy when he should already think Cop and Ve are tied.
I think he’s ignoring the shitfest around him to hide in plain sight by being performative, unlike ve and palmar.
Also still not acknowledging cop fought the claim just as hard as jat.
Adjusting vote to Jealous.
Mz, Dp, Jealous.
Koshi traitor
Cop vengeful
No vet in game
My guess atm
Found this on Jealous, pretty stupid logic TBH? The easy way for scum when there are clear wagons that you can't control is to AFK. Of course activity doesn't make him town by itself (I actually think he could be scum!!!), but scumreading him for that???
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On March 11 2024 13:09 DarthPunk wrote:
It bothers me because it just gives mafia a blueprint to keep me alive until so that the confirmed unkillable mayor will push for the wrong lynch at mylo.
It is literally that obviously bad what you are doing right now.
Does town!DP who thinks that it‘s okay to fakeclaim vet (or not) complain that I help him achieve his goal of staying alive here ?
Double standard
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He should welcome the blueprint should he not
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On March 08 2024 11:19 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 11:09 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 08 2024 11:06 Vivax wrote:On March 08 2024 11:04 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 08 2024 11:00 Vivax wrote:On March 08 2024 10:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 07 2024 23:18 marvellosity wrote:On March 07 2024 22:56 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Everyone who has called into question Slam's check in anyway is instantly less town to me. That starts with copcake but also includes you now Koshi. It's got the vibe of a scum team that left slam alive thinking he wasn't gonna find any of them and are now mad that he's better than they thought.
If Oats flips VT we can revisit this but right now these posts only serve as opening the door for Oats to get out of the lynch.
Also funny your push was onto me Koshi when I'm the same lynch Oats tried to push as the alternative to him. Do you really think mafia think they can wiggle out of a red check? I think the opposite to you. I think mafia absolutely rolls with the red check. BING BING BING I FOUND IT. Crazy how you set up the premise of scum just rolling with a red check and I come back to the thread to find eveyrone looking for reasons not to lynch a red check. How convenient. What do you want to say ? I'm missing the point. Either he isn't right or he is. I don't know what Oats will flip. Well then lets flip oats and find out, this absolutely reeks of big plays going on for scum and I can't figure out which is legit scum and which is dumb town letting their egos think they know better than an un ccd blue role with a red check. honestly some of you just love the smell of your own farts That doesn't answer it. What does it mean for marv if he says that? What do you see that others can't? I've had my metas suspicions of marv for a while now but I'm not comfortable putting him higher than say VE yet but it certainly doesn't help my read of him. but what I can see that apparently others can is um idk.... a fucking red check/ I literally talked about this exact thing this morning. MZ here is doing what marv said mafia would be doing. He assumes Oats is redchecked. Ezpz. Then he points out how a group of players is not doing what marv said scum would be doing and says he suspects them. Then he calls marv suspicious for pointing it out. So in MZ world marv is mafia and his teammates are all doing the opposite of what marv said they would do and MZ thinks he found something yet he does exactly what marv said a mafia would be doing and says Oats is the only logical choice.
You think MZ doubts and attitude towards the D2 lynch was scummy? The full of doubts and changing is mind, etc.? That's crazy to me
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On March 11 2024 14:14 Vivax wrote:
He should welcome the blueprint should he not
To get mislynched at mylo?
No thankyou.
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On March 11 2024 14:06 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 13:56 DarthPunk wrote:On March 11 2024 13:43 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 13:15 DarthPunk wrote:On March 11 2024 13:11 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 13:09 DarthPunk wrote:
It bothers me because it just gives mafia a blueprint to keep me alive until so that the confirmed unkillable mayor will push for the wrong lynch at mylo.
It is literally that obviously bad what you are doing right now. If you are town then explain to me why Jealous and MZ can‘t be scum. I am not that confident on either of them to say they CAN'T be scum. I think that they are both town though, Jealous, his interactions in the QT were really townie and hard to fake in the moment. Clearing DMB in the way that he did for example, is something I would not expect scum to do in the way that he did. His reads have aligned with mine. His hapa=Town view early was really good and townie imo. MZ: Looks really bad in a way that makes me think he is just fearless townie saying what he believes regardless of the consequences. Has spent heaps of time scum hunting and filter diving this phase when he didn't have to and which is more than can be said for others here. Can you expand on the Jealous thought? What was hard to fake? Totally agree on MZ Just the level of interaction and thought processes that made sense, we talked ALOT in our discord chat, and aside from the one thing that bothered me he came across as townie to me. For example, he really really wanted oats to be lynched and thought he was mafia, and thought that the people not wanting to lynch oats were fishing for scum. Not once did he want to not lynch oats/ Just a whole bunch of really townie takes that I don't think make sense for him. I also don't think his positing on copcake makes any sense if they are partnered. Thanks. Can't comment on the Discord stuff obviously, but I feel like the "people not voting Oats are suspicious" can be a posture or mantra that's easy to follow as scum I didn't like that he went this way against Koshi and Vivax D2 but didn't really have an objective to where he would take him. Even though to my knowledge he didn't get a satisfactory answer, I don't think he got a conclusion on Koshi. I might be wrong (missed the last 24 hours before I came back)
I'd appreciate if you could point to where I "went this way" against Koshi and what you didn't like about it. I know you're busy though so I'm fine waiting, and again, GL with your interviews.
About Vivax, I'm putting off doing the math in my head because right now I have him as a default town read (as per my post), but I wanted to know why he was pushing for a VE second wagon (especially now that we have a confirm on Oats' alignment). He answered that to my satisfaction (he believes both lynches were scum), but he also threw in an accusation toward me. I have addressed this accusation multiple times including a question toward him, but he did not answer. After having brought it up again, I still got no answer. So, what's the point if he's just going to dodge? Just putting that one in the ol' memory banks for when we get rid of people that I find more likely to be scum (Cop and VE), if I stay alive long enough.
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On March 11 2024 14:17 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 14:06 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 13:56 DarthPunk wrote:On March 11 2024 13:43 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 13:15 DarthPunk wrote:On March 11 2024 13:11 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 13:09 DarthPunk wrote:
It bothers me because it just gives mafia a blueprint to keep me alive until so that the confirmed unkillable mayor will push for the wrong lynch at mylo.
It is literally that obviously bad what you are doing right now. If you are town then explain to me why Jealous and MZ can‘t be scum. I am not that confident on either of them to say they CAN'T be scum. I think that they are both town though, Jealous, his interactions in the QT were really townie and hard to fake in the moment. Clearing DMB in the way that he did for example, is something I would not expect scum to do in the way that he did. His reads have aligned with mine. His hapa=Town view early was really good and townie imo. MZ: Looks really bad in a way that makes me think he is just fearless townie saying what he believes regardless of the consequences. Has spent heaps of time scum hunting and filter diving this phase when he didn't have to and which is more than can be said for others here. Can you expand on the Jealous thought? What was hard to fake? Totally agree on MZ Just the level of interaction and thought processes that made sense, we talked ALOT in our discord chat, and aside from the one thing that bothered me he came across as townie to me. For example, he really really wanted oats to be lynched and thought he was mafia, and thought that the people not wanting to lynch oats were fishing for scum. Not once did he want to not lynch oats/ Just a whole bunch of really townie takes that I don't think make sense for him. I also don't think his positing on copcake makes any sense if they are partnered. Thanks. Can't comment on the Discord stuff obviously, but I feel like the "people not voting Oats are suspicious" can be a posture or mantra that's easy to follow as scum I didn't like that he went this way against Koshi and Vivax D2 but didn't really have an objective to where he would take him. Even though to my knowledge he didn't get a satisfactory answer, I don't think he got a conclusion on Koshi. I might be wrong (missed the last 24 hours before I came back) I'd appreciate if you could point to where I "went this way" against Koshi and what you didn't like about it. I know you're busy though so I'm fine waiting, and again, GL with your interviews. About Vivax, I'm putting off doing the math in my head because right now I have him as a default town read (as per my post), but I wanted to know why he was pushing for a VE second wagon (especially now that we have a confirm on Oats' alignment). He answered that to my satisfaction (he believes both lynches were scum), but he also threw in an accusation toward me. I have addressed this accusation multiple times including a question toward him, but he did not answer. After having brought it up again, I still got no answer. So, what's the point if he's just going to dodge? Just putting that one in the ol' memory banks for when we get rid of people that I find more likely to be scum (Cop and VE), if I stay alive long enough.
Let me see if I didn't make a mistake, but I'm pretty sure that's the thing we talked about yesterday
Was actually 2 days ago
On March 09 2024 15:16 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 15:07 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 14:57 Rels wrote:On March 08 2024 11:06 Jealous wrote:On March 08 2024 10:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
You can't all be scum, some of you just have to be dumb. The tricky part is figuring out which is which. Kinda where I'm at, but I'm also thinking it might be smart!town throwing some seeds out there to see who shows up to pick at them. I kinda feel like Koshi and Vivac would generally be too smart to do something so stupid without a reason. Feel like it's been a few hours and beers in me by now so I feel comfortable saying that the bait would already be getting moldy, so no harm in my outing my suspicions that some of these baby wagon attempts are just that: little experiments to see who reacts how. What are you talking about in the last paragraph? Did you do something in order to bait reactions? If yes, what were those things and what were the results you got from them? My initial impression was that Koshi and Vivax were not dumb enough to go against a cop-claimed Alakazam's reveal on scum!Oats, but suddenly here they were, pushing other wagons out of nowhere. So, by eliminating the dumb option, the "smart" option is that Vivax and Koshi are just throwing out bait to see who bites and what those decisions result in. Like running an experiment. However, several hours later I figured the "experiments" (if that's what they were) had already run their course to some extent so I wouldn't be contaminating the results by outing my suspicion that this is what they were doing. This was further bolstered by alcohol in the system. Kinda regretting it now though because I would have loved to see how Koshi and Vivax would have justified their wagon attempts without my saying anything. Now that you know it was real, what do you think of them?
On March 09 2024 15:20 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 09 2024 15:16 Rels wrote:On March 09 2024 15:07 Jealous wrote:On March 09 2024 14:57 Rels wrote:On March 08 2024 11:06 Jealous wrote:On March 08 2024 10:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
You can't all be scum, some of you just have to be dumb. The tricky part is figuring out which is which. Kinda where I'm at, but I'm also thinking it might be smart!town throwing some seeds out there to see who shows up to pick at them. I kinda feel like Koshi and Vivac would generally be too smart to do something so stupid without a reason. Feel like it's been a few hours and beers in me by now so I feel comfortable saying that the bait would already be getting moldy, so no harm in my outing my suspicions that some of these baby wagon attempts are just that: little experiments to see who reacts how. What are you talking about in the last paragraph? Did you do something in order to bait reactions? If yes, what were those things and what were the results you got from them? My initial impression was that Koshi and Vivax were not dumb enough to go against a cop-claimed Alakazam's reveal on scum!Oats, but suddenly here they were, pushing other wagons out of nowhere. So, by eliminating the dumb option, the "smart" option is that Vivax and Koshi are just throwing out bait to see who bites and what those decisions result in. Like running an experiment. However, several hours later I figured the "experiments" (if that's what they were) had already run their course to some extent so I wouldn't be contaminating the results by outing my suspicion that this is what they were doing. This was further bolstered by alcohol in the system. Kinda regretting it now though because I would have loved to see how Koshi and Vivax would have justified their wagon attempts without my saying anything. Now that you know it was real, what do you think of them? Would prefer to hear the aforementioned justifications first, even if they've been diluted. Last one fr fr
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