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On March 11 2024 13:08 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 12:59 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 12:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 11 2024 12:52 Rels wrote:
Maybe it is as simple as VE / DMB / CC
It doesn't feel right as it's the easiest lynches. Doesn't feel right at all. But maybe it is What happened to your Palmar read dude? On March 09 2024 13:20 Rels wrote:
@Anyone does scum!Palmar fake 2 dumbtells in a single post? Taking in consideration that people have scumread DMB for dumbtelling On March 09 2024 13:22 Rels wrote:On March 09 2024 13:21 iamperfection wrote:On March 09 2024 13:20 Rels wrote:
@Anyone does scum!Palmar fake 2 dumbtells in a single post? Taking in consideration that people have scumread DMB for dumbtelling we should ask the palmar expert when he wakes up. Yeah. @marv what do you think? On March 09 2024 13:22 Rels wrote:
I don't think he does On March 09 2024 13:23 Rels wrote:On March 09 2024 06:59 Palmar wrote:
So like I'm going to try to sort of organize the game in my head, and I'm going to do it out loud, so you can watch me think. It's a fascinating display.
We probably have about 5 mafia in this game. It could be 4, but then they have very strong roles. Normal balance would suggest 5.
This means I need to start sort of filtering down the people I want to think about.
First up, the people I don't really want to lynch or even consider at all:
DarthPunk for huge filter and repeatedly liking his takes on things.
Vivax because that's the gamble we made when we didn't policy lynch him.
Then there's the weaker town reads that are definitely going to contain some mafia:
Koshi was very good early day 1, but I feel like his impact has been reduced. Still not enough to start calling him mafia
marvellosity - I kinda think he's maybe town, he did come around on me correctly, and I kinda trust sandro's read. So for what it's worth, he goes into the "worry later" pile.
Then there's the people who will be resolved by today
Slam - we lynch slam if Oats flips non-miller town. The frame idea is statistically so unlikely
Oats - we lynch Oats today because despite his efforts, there is like 90% chance of him flipping mafia. He does look and say townie things which is pretty well played, but the odds of any other random player flipping red just happen to be significantly lower
Frame math:
Slam check 1/18 (lynches + himself) players = 5.56% chance he checks Oats
Framer frames 1/14 players (21 - 2 lynches - 5 mafia) = 7.14% chance Oats gets framed
This means there's like... 0.3% chance a framer hits the same target the cop checks (but obviously intiution skews this a lot) it's still the best play to do it like that.
Actually as I write this I realize I have way too few townread, which means I really, really need to get work done. For one reason or another I don't trust any of the people below.
Jealous - lack of investigation from me, little posting
Meapak_Ziphh - lack of investigation from me, I'm masoned with the dude but I'm a terrible mason partner because I think they're stupid. That's mostly on me. I also recall some of his posting being a little meek
justanothertownie - Some really atrocious takes throughout the game. Bullshit associative reads and voting without any kind of analysis.
die_meatbaby - lack of investigation from me. I remember having a different feel from last game, but she still gets stuck on dumb shit.
CopCake - I kinda liked rayn's point during the night. Also she should really think I'm town after our discussion in the night.
JacobStrangelove - This guy is clearly just smart. I liked his posting because it's all pretty reasonable, but I feel like he isn't moving the needle at all this game. Happy sitting back and not getting listened to.
Iamperfection - One particularly terrible take during the night, but maybe he just doesn't know what a policy lynch is. I didn't follow up enough to understand if it was malicious or just kinda stupid.
ToTheStars - lurker
VisceraEyes - Fell off cliff. Where VE?
Rels - Terrible case on me on day 1 that reeked of mafia trying to "contribute". Super clear he wasn't caught up on the game and lacked opinionsþ
The 2 dumbtells are in that post ("4 or 5 mafia", "JSL could be scum even though he claimed") I might be biaised by this but I really like this Palmar post. Feels like a really genuine world view hmmm I'm gonna have to think about this. A decent chunk of my scumread on you right now comes from you seemingly abandoning your Palmar read. That said, DMB is not scum, I'm almost certain of this. If you take her out, who else do you think could be scum?
??????
Why do you scumread me because I seemingly abandoned my Palmar read, when it was in my filter, and not particularly hidden (as seen there, it's 4 posts in a row)?
To answer the last bit, just posted my pre-sleep list post, good timing 
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On March 11 2024 13:37 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 13:34 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 13:27 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 13:22 CopCake wrote:On March 11 2024 13:18 CopCake wrote:
Darth, did my team or not conceded a game we were winning because we felt bad for Slam? This can also go to vivax so you can explain jelaous what happened that game. What's Vivax's going rate? How much does he charge to be your advocate? Why do you have to hire outside help to make your own points to justify promises you never delivered on? Should I lawyer up too at this point? Wtf. I don‘t share the opinion of half the game I must be a lawyer Sarcasm aside, I just want to know what point CopCake is trying to make and apparently you've been selected to make it, so I'm all ears.
I don‘t follow but if Copcake is town here she‘s fighting a massive uphill battle so it‘s hard to sound perfectly reasonaböe.
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On March 11 2024 13:36 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 13:08 CopCake wrote:On March 11 2024 13:00 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 12:57 CopCake wrote:On March 11 2024 12:56 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 12:51 CopCake wrote:
The problem is
Why not kill DP when we have
- vivax jailing Slam so his cop check doesnt work
- kill DP who is about to kill mafia TTS/Cake/DMB
If two of those are real mafia, I think blocking DP takes priority and not blocking vivax to kill slam, I mean the cop check would had been blocked.
I saw this in your filter too, in my mind it's not even a question. I mean, killing DP or not might be a question, but roleblock wise, scum HAD to RB Vivax and kill Slam Scum cannot know who Vivax will target, so that's the only plan where you get your 2 KPs + be sure there isn't another check. Any other plan, you risk having one of your KP blocked by Vivax The second KP (the marv one) could have been used to kill DP yeah, but killing marv is super logical too Mafia knows who vivax is going to target if DP claimed vet. They can make an educated guess that is the most logical, but they cannot be 100% sure Mafia knows some stuff tho These is what happened according to what has been posted here - vivax jailed darth punk - jsl gave a gun to darth - slam checked oats - darth is vet We know mafia didnt block slam so they pretty much blocked vivax. If we go by that, darth needs to have his vest 100% unless mafia vig vigged darth but wouldnt the jail prevent that? So darth has his vest intact. From that logic I think is obvious vivax would have protected slam the next night. Obvious is different from 100% sure Why not go for the 100% plan I don't really undertand what you are arguing, that DP is scum because he wasn't roleblocked?
Only question is why not block a big boi who said he would kill either scum TTS/cake/DMB.
I am using that to say “because there is only one mafia there and dmb and cake are town”
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On March 11 2024 13:09 DarthPunk wrote:
It bothers me because it just gives mafia a blueprint to keep me alive until so that the confirmed unkillable mayor will push for the wrong lynch at mylo.
It is literally that obviously bad what you are doing right now.
I also really hate the way you play this game Vivax. I'm happy that you're blue so you're confirmed, but I disagree with probably 90% of your posts. Most of the time, I don't even udnerstand where you're coming from, if it's a real thought or not, etc. Random attacks on me doesn't help too
I know you always had a whacky style of play, but in my mind it was always very effective at finding mafia hidden in the town circle. I don't see it that game
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On March 11 2024 13:15 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 13:11 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 13:09 DarthPunk wrote:
It bothers me because it just gives mafia a blueprint to keep me alive until so that the confirmed unkillable mayor will push for the wrong lynch at mylo.
It is literally that obviously bad what you are doing right now. If you are town then explain to me why Jealous and MZ can‘t be scum. I am not that confident on either of them to say they CAN'T be scum. I think that they are both town though, Jealous, his interactions in the QT were really townie and hard to fake in the moment. Clearing DMB in the way that he did for example, is something I would not expect scum to do in the way that he did. His reads have aligned with mine. His hapa=Town view early was really good and townie imo. MZ: Looks really bad in a way that makes me think he is just fearless townie saying what he believes regardless of the consequences. Has spent heaps of time scum hunting and filter diving this phase when he didn't have to and which is more than can be said for others here.
Can you expand on the Jealous thought? What was hard to fake?
Totally agree on MZ
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On March 11 2024 13:40 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 13:37 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 13:34 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 13:27 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 13:22 CopCake wrote:On March 11 2024 13:18 CopCake wrote:
Darth, did my team or not conceded a game we were winning because we felt bad for Slam? This can also go to vivax so you can explain jelaous what happened that game. What's Vivax's going rate? How much does he charge to be your advocate? Why do you have to hire outside help to make your own points to justify promises you never delivered on? Should I lawyer up too at this point? Wtf. I don‘t share the opinion of half the game I must be a lawyer Sarcasm aside, I just want to know what point CopCake is trying to make and apparently you've been selected to make it, so I'm all ears. I don‘t follow but if Copcake is town here she‘s fighting a massive uphill battle so it‘s hard to sound perfectly reasonaböe.
Jealous: *Posts quotes showing CopCake is being inconsistent and a hypocrite throughout the game*
CopCake: I will post screenshots from another game's Discord. [for some reason, never said what they would show tbh]
CopCake: Oh, Vivax is here.
-- Fast forward until now --
Jealous: So about them screenshots?
CopCake: Vivax was there, I didn't need them.
Jealous: Vivax, what does she mean?
Vivax: She's just having a really tough time right now.
Idk chief, this doesn't sound great, and she's technically not even the leading lynch target right now.
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On March 11 2024 13:41 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 13:09 DarthPunk wrote:
It bothers me because it just gives mafia a blueprint to keep me alive until so that the confirmed unkillable mayor will push for the wrong lynch at mylo.
It is literally that obviously bad what you are doing right now. I also really hate the way you play this game Vivax. I'm happy that you're blue so you're confirmed, but I disagree with probably 90% of your posts. Most of the time, I don't even udnerstand where you're coming from, if it's a real thought or not, etc. Random attacks on me doesn't help too I know you always had a whacky style of play, but in my mind it was always very effective at finding mafia hidden in the town circle. I don't see it that game
How so ? Oats was in some ways a lot townier than what we are trying to lynch. Shiny posts, lots of explanations, tenacity.
Suddenly all scum are just uncooperative players ? I don‘t think so.
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On March 11 2024 13:44 Jealous wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 13:40 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 13:37 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 13:34 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 13:27 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 13:22 CopCake wrote:On March 11 2024 13:18 CopCake wrote:
Darth, did my team or not conceded a game we were winning because we felt bad for Slam? This can also go to vivax so you can explain jelaous what happened that game. What's Vivax's going rate? How much does he charge to be your advocate? Why do you have to hire outside help to make your own points to justify promises you never delivered on? Should I lawyer up too at this point? Wtf. I don‘t share the opinion of half the game I must be a lawyer Sarcasm aside, I just want to know what point CopCake is trying to make and apparently you've been selected to make it, so I'm all ears. I don‘t follow but if Copcake is town here she‘s fighting a massive uphill battle so it‘s hard to sound perfectly reasonaböe. Jealous: *Posts quotes showing CopCake is being inconsistent and a hypocrite throughout the game* CopCake: I will post screenshots from another game's Discord. [for some reason, never said what they would show tbh] CopCake: Oh, Vivax is here. -- Fast forward until now --Jealous: So about them screenshots? CopCake: Vivax was there, I didn't need them. Jealous: Vivax, what does she mean? Vivax: She's just having a really tough time right now. Idk chief, this doesn't sound great, and she's technically not even the leading lynch target right now.
I think your intent is burying her here not finding out if she is mafia if that helps.
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I don‘t care enough about metaing her here over what I have seen and already called out over days from MZ and jealous.
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Nah, I believed that you could share “yeah she is sensitive because bla bla bla bla this other game bla bla bla”
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She doubted my claim all the time during D1 but that doesn‘t earn her a free townread from Jealous ? Why for Jat then.
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On March 11 2024 01:15 Vivax wrote:
The VE wagon looks horrible lol
Huurrrduurrr
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On March 11 2024 13:47 CopCake wrote:
Nah, I believed that you could share “yeah she is sensitive because bla bla bla bla this other game bla bla bla”
I could but I don‘t see how that helps you here. It‘s an arena full of murderous savages
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On March 11 2024 13:45 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 13:44 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 13:40 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 13:37 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 13:34 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 13:27 Jealous wrote:On March 11 2024 13:22 CopCake wrote:On March 11 2024 13:18 CopCake wrote:
Darth, did my team or not conceded a game we were winning because we felt bad for Slam? This can also go to vivax so you can explain jelaous what happened that game. What's Vivax's going rate? How much does he charge to be your advocate? Why do you have to hire outside help to make your own points to justify promises you never delivered on? Should I lawyer up too at this point? Wtf. I don‘t share the opinion of half the game I must be a lawyer Sarcasm aside, I just want to know what point CopCake is trying to make and apparently you've been selected to make it, so I'm all ears. I don‘t follow but if Copcake is town here she‘s fighting a massive uphill battle so it‘s hard to sound perfectly reasonaböe. Jealous: *Posts quotes showing CopCake is being inconsistent and a hypocrite throughout the game* CopCake: I will post screenshots from another game's Discord. [for some reason, never said what they would show tbh] CopCake: Oh, Vivax is here. -- Fast forward until now --Jealous: So about them screenshots? CopCake: Vivax was there, I didn't need them. Jealous: Vivax, what does she mean? Vivax: She's just having a really tough time right now. Idk chief, this doesn't sound great, and she's technically not even the leading lynch target right now. I think your intent is burying her here not finding out if she is mafia if that helps.
So town!Anyone will make promises of future rebuttals to a case I made, never deliver, hide behind someone else, that someone also never delivers, I make a case about that, and somehow in your eyes I'm supposedly more scum than her after this interaction?
Good to know, I'll adjust my play accordingly.
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On March 11 2024 13:40 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 13:36 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 13:08 CopCake wrote:On March 11 2024 13:00 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 12:57 CopCake wrote:On March 11 2024 12:56 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 12:51 CopCake wrote:
The problem is
Why not kill DP when we have
- vivax jailing Slam so his cop check doesnt work
- kill DP who is about to kill mafia TTS/Cake/DMB
If two of those are real mafia, I think blocking DP takes priority and not blocking vivax to kill slam, I mean the cop check would had been blocked.
I saw this in your filter too, in my mind it's not even a question. I mean, killing DP or not might be a question, but roleblock wise, scum HAD to RB Vivax and kill Slam Scum cannot know who Vivax will target, so that's the only plan where you get your 2 KPs + be sure there isn't another check. Any other plan, you risk having one of your KP blocked by Vivax The second KP (the marv one) could have been used to kill DP yeah, but killing marv is super logical too Mafia knows who vivax is going to target if DP claimed vet. They can make an educated guess that is the most logical, but they cannot be 100% sure Mafia knows some stuff tho These is what happened according to what has been posted here - vivax jailed darth punk - jsl gave a gun to darth - slam checked oats - darth is vet We know mafia didnt block slam so they pretty much blocked vivax. If we go by that, darth needs to have his vest 100% unless mafia vig vigged darth but wouldnt the jail prevent that? So darth has his vest intact. From that logic I think is obvious vivax would have protected slam the next night. Obvious is different from 100% sure Why not go for the 100% plan I don't really undertand what you are arguing, that DP is scum because he wasn't roleblocked? Only question is why not block a big boi who said he would kill either scum TTS/cake/DMB. I am using that to say “because there is only one mafia there and dmb and cake are town”
???
Even handwaving the way that it's not what happened (pretty DP said he was going to kill them to a lot more people last night), in your scenario, why would scum block a shot that had a 2/3 chance of killing town?
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On March 11 2024 13:47 Vivax wrote:
She doubted my claim all the time during D1 but that doesn‘t earn her a free townread from Jealous ? Why for Jat then.
Because JAT made the case when it didn't make sense to do so as scum because it painted a target on his back, she sheeped it and came out unscathed, and she has proven that she doesn't know how to read, so her sheeping it is NAI at best, optimistic scum at worst.
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So that could save up time, would be a view from a third party and not me twisting words, etc etc etc
Bla bla bla bla I am so scum bla bla bla bla I will just ignore the assholes and post what I think because I am supposed to do that. So if for some reason I ended up lynched, town can either judge my words or how people treated me.
Slam, I am TRULY sorry if for some reason I offended you.
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On March 11 2024 13:51 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 13:40 CopCake wrote:On March 11 2024 13:36 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 13:08 CopCake wrote:On March 11 2024 13:00 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 12:57 CopCake wrote:On March 11 2024 12:56 Rels wrote:On March 11 2024 12:51 CopCake wrote:
The problem is
Why not kill DP when we have
- vivax jailing Slam so his cop check doesnt work
- kill DP who is about to kill mafia TTS/Cake/DMB
If two of those are real mafia, I think blocking DP takes priority and not blocking vivax to kill slam, I mean the cop check would had been blocked.
I saw this in your filter too, in my mind it's not even a question. I mean, killing DP or not might be a question, but roleblock wise, scum HAD to RB Vivax and kill Slam Scum cannot know who Vivax will target, so that's the only plan where you get your 2 KPs + be sure there isn't another check. Any other plan, you risk having one of your KP blocked by Vivax The second KP (the marv one) could have been used to kill DP yeah, but killing marv is super logical too Mafia knows who vivax is going to target if DP claimed vet. They can make an educated guess that is the most logical, but they cannot be 100% sure Mafia knows some stuff tho These is what happened according to what has been posted here - vivax jailed darth punk - jsl gave a gun to darth - slam checked oats - darth is vet We know mafia didnt block slam so they pretty much blocked vivax. If we go by that, darth needs to have his vest 100% unless mafia vig vigged darth but wouldnt the jail prevent that? So darth has his vest intact. From that logic I think is obvious vivax would have protected slam the next night. Obvious is different from 100% sure Why not go for the 100% plan I don't really undertand what you are arguing, that DP is scum because he wasn't roleblocked? Only question is why not block a big boi who said he would kill either scum TTS/cake/DMB. I am using that to say “because there is only one mafia there and dmb and cake are town” ??? Even handwaving the way that it's not what happened (pretty DP said he was going to kill them to a lot more people last night), in your scenario, why would scum block a shot that had a 2/3 chance of killing town?
Go sleep, you have interviews, gonna answer this maybe later.
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On March 11 2024 13:43 Rels wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 13:15 DarthPunk wrote:On March 11 2024 13:11 Vivax wrote:On March 11 2024 13:09 DarthPunk wrote:
It bothers me because it just gives mafia a blueprint to keep me alive until so that the confirmed unkillable mayor will push for the wrong lynch at mylo.
It is literally that obviously bad what you are doing right now. If you are town then explain to me why Jealous and MZ can‘t be scum. I am not that confident on either of them to say they CAN'T be scum. I think that they are both town though, Jealous, his interactions in the QT were really townie and hard to fake in the moment. Clearing DMB in the way that he did for example, is something I would not expect scum to do in the way that he did. His reads have aligned with mine. His hapa=Town view early was really good and townie imo. MZ: Looks really bad in a way that makes me think he is just fearless townie saying what he believes regardless of the consequences. Has spent heaps of time scum hunting and filter diving this phase when he didn't have to and which is more than can be said for others here. Can you expand on the Jealous thought? What was hard to fake? Totally agree on MZ
Just the level of interaction and thought processes that made sense, we talked ALOT in our discord chat, and aside from the one thing that bothered me he came across as townie to me. For example, he really really wanted oats to be lynched and thought he was mafia, and thought that the people not wanting to lynch oats were fishing for scum. Not once did he want to not lynch oats/ Just a whole bunch of really townie takes that I don't think make sense for him.
I also don't think his positing on copcake makes any sense if they are partnered.
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On March 11 2024 13:36 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:Show nested quote +On March 11 2024 13:23 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Koshi I know you accepted my defense of DMB but I am once again asking you to reread cake please. @Koshi
This guy is voting VE, asks Koshi to read copcake
Case. Finished.
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