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DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 11 2024 03:52 GMT
#6341
On March 11 2024 12:51 CopCake wrote:
The problem is

Why not kill DP when we have

- vivax jailing Slam so his cop check doesnt work
- kill DP who is about to kill mafia TTS/Cake/DMB

If two of those are real mafia, I think blocking DP takes priority and not blocking vivax to kill slam, I mean the cop check would had been blocked.



Oh ho, Hear we go again.

Didn't you just say I was confirmed?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
March 11 2024 03:53 GMT
#6342
On March 11 2024 12:52 Jealous wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2024 12:44 CopCake wrote:
I have voted myself and I kinda do not want to move it because “OMG copcake is still mafia”

I also want to say I am not vengeful townie.


How about that DP mafia game thread analysis though?


I wont do it, I am honestly depressed about this game.

DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 11 2024 03:53 GMT
#6343
You realize If they shoot me I still get a shot off right?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
March 11 2024 03:54 GMT
#6344
On March 11 2024 12:52 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2024 12:51 CopCake wrote:
The problem is

Why not kill DP when we have

- vivax jailing Slam so his cop check doesnt work
- kill DP who is about to kill mafia TTS/Cake/DMB

If two of those are real mafia, I think blocking DP takes priority and not blocking vivax to kill slam, I mean the cop check would had been blocked.



Oh ho, Hear we go again.

Didn't you just say I was confirmed?


I am trying to understand vivax perspective and why he is calling you mafia.

I understand his pov.
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 11 2024 03:54 GMT
#6345
There was a chance vivax JK me, and then the cop gets another check off.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
March 11 2024 03:54 GMT
#6346
On March 11 2024 12:53 DarthPunk wrote:
You realize If they shoot me I still get a shot off right?


But they can block you and shot you.
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 11 2024 03:54 GMT
#6347
On March 11 2024 12:54 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2024 12:53 DarthPunk wrote:
You realize If they shoot me I still get a shot off right?


But they can block you and shot you.


What if vivax JK me?

then slam gets a check.
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 11 2024 03:55 GMT
#6348
AND they lost a KP
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10314 Posts
March 11 2024 03:55 GMT
#6349
On March 11 2024 12:53 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2024 12:52 Jealous wrote:
On March 11 2024 12:44 CopCake wrote:
I have voted myself and I kinda do not want to move it because “OMG copcake is still mafia”

I also want to say I am not vengeful townie.


How about that DP mafia game thread analysis though?


I wont do it, I am honestly depressed about this game.


How about those Discord screenshots that were supposed to mean something in response to your obvious hypocrisy and inconsistency throughout this game though?
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 11 2024 03:55 GMT
#6350
On March 11 2024 12:54 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2024 12:52 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 11 2024 12:51 CopCake wrote:
The problem is

Why not kill DP when we have

- vivax jailing Slam so his cop check doesnt work
- kill DP who is about to kill mafia TTS/Cake/DMB

If two of those are real mafia, I think blocking DP takes priority and not blocking vivax to kill slam, I mean the cop check would had been blocked.



Oh ho, Hear we go again.

Didn't you just say I was confirmed?


I am trying to understand vivax perspective and why he is calling you mafia.

I understand his pov.


Do you think I am mafia right now cake?
"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 11 2024 03:56 GMT
#6351
On March 11 2024 12:51 CopCake wrote:
The problem is

Why not kill DP when we have

- vivax jailing Slam so his cop check doesnt work
- kill DP who is about to kill mafia TTS/Cake/DMB

If two of those are real mafia, I think blocking DP takes priority and not blocking vivax to kill slam, I mean the cop check would had been blocked.


I saw this in your filter too, in my mind it's not even a question.

I mean, killing DP or not might be a question, but roleblock wise, scum HAD to RB Vivax and kill Slam

Scum cannot know who Vivax will target, so that's the only plan where you get your 2 KPs + be sure there isn't another check. Any other plan, you risk having one of your KP blocked by Vivax

The second KP (the marv one) could have been used to kill DP yeah, but killing marv is super logical too
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
March 11 2024 03:57 GMT
#6352
On March 11 2024 12:54 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2024 12:54 CopCake wrote:
On March 11 2024 12:53 DarthPunk wrote:
You realize If they shoot me I still get a shot off right?


But they can block you and shot you.


What if vivax JK me?

then slam gets a check.


But you are a vet, vivax doesnt need to jail you.
Jealous
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
10314 Posts
March 11 2024 03:57 GMT
#6353
On March 11 2024 12:54 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2024 12:52 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 11 2024 12:51 CopCake wrote:
The problem is

Why not kill DP when we have

- vivax jailing Slam so his cop check doesnt work
- kill DP who is about to kill mafia TTS/Cake/DMB

If two of those are real mafia, I think blocking DP takes priority and not blocking vivax to kill slam, I mean the cop check would had been blocked.



Oh ho, Hear we go again.

Didn't you just say I was confirmed?


I am trying to understand vivax perspective and why he is calling you mafia.

I understand his pov.

That was fast.
"The right to vote is only the oar of the slaveship, I wanna be free." -- бум бум сучка!
Meapak_Ziphh
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
United States6786 Posts
March 11 2024 03:57 GMT
#6354
On March 11 2024 12:52 Rels wrote:
Maybe it is as simple as VE / DMB / CC
It doesn't feel right as it's the easiest lynches. Doesn't feel right at all. But maybe it is

What happened to your Palmar read dude?
Forti et Fideli ~ TL Mafia Forum: Come play with us! ~ Go Samsung KHAN, Stork, JangBi , Shine, Grape, and TurN Fighting!~ wat
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22301 Posts
March 11 2024 03:57 GMT
#6355
DP fakeclaimed vet first but is forcing you to consider scenarios where I‘d still jail him afterwards.

Would never happen
CopCake
Profile Joined August 2015
4378 Posts
March 11 2024 03:57 GMT
#6356
On March 11 2024 12:56 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2024 12:51 CopCake wrote:
The problem is

Why not kill DP when we have

- vivax jailing Slam so his cop check doesnt work
- kill DP who is about to kill mafia TTS/Cake/DMB

If two of those are real mafia, I think blocking DP takes priority and not blocking vivax to kill slam, I mean the cop check would had been blocked.


I saw this in your filter too, in my mind it's not even a question.

I mean, killing DP or not might be a question, but roleblock wise, scum HAD to RB Vivax and kill Slam

Scum cannot know who Vivax will target, so that's the only plan where you get your 2 KPs + be sure there isn't another check. Any other plan, you risk having one of your KP blocked by Vivax

The second KP (the marv one) could have been used to kill DP yeah, but killing marv is super logical too


Mafia knows who vivax is going to target if DP claimed vet.
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22301 Posts
March 11 2024 03:57 GMT
#6357
On March 11 2024 12:57 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2024 12:54 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 11 2024 12:54 CopCake wrote:
On March 11 2024 12:53 DarthPunk wrote:
You realize If they shoot me I still get a shot off right?


But they can block you and shot you.


What if vivax JK me?

then slam gets a check.


But you are a vet, vivax doesnt need to jail you.


winnet winner
DarthPunk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Australia10857 Posts
March 11 2024 03:58 GMT
#6358
On March 11 2024 12:57 CopCake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2024 12:54 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 11 2024 12:54 CopCake wrote:
On March 11 2024 12:53 DarthPunk wrote:
You realize If they shoot me I still get a shot off right?


But they can block you and shot you.


What if vivax JK me?

then slam gets a check.


But you are a vet, vivax doesnt need to jail you.


He flips a coin so that RB+ shot doesn't kill me.

And he literally said he was flipping a coin.

"If I wanted your opinion, I'd have told you what it was."
Vivax
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
22301 Posts
March 11 2024 03:58 GMT
#6359
On March 11 2024 12:58 DarthPunk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2024 12:57 CopCake wrote:
On March 11 2024 12:54 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 11 2024 12:54 CopCake wrote:
On March 11 2024 12:53 DarthPunk wrote:
You realize If they shoot me I still get a shot off right?


But they can block you and shot you.


What if vivax JK me?

then slam gets a check.


But you are a vet, vivax doesnt need to jail you.


He flips a coin so that RB+ shot doesn't kill me.

And he literally said he was flipping a coin.



I lied I was always going to jail a confirmed cop here
Rels
Profile Joined August 2008
France13467 Posts
March 11 2024 03:59 GMT
#6360
On March 11 2024 12:57 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 11 2024 12:52 Rels wrote:
Maybe it is as simple as VE / DMB / CC
It doesn't feel right as it's the easiest lynches. Doesn't feel right at all. But maybe it is

What happened to your Palmar read dude?

On March 09 2024 13:20 Rels wrote:
@Anyone does scum!Palmar fake 2 dumbtells in a single post? Taking in consideration that people have scumread DMB for dumbtelling

On March 09 2024 13:22 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2024 13:21 iamperfection wrote:
On March 09 2024 13:20 Rels wrote:
@Anyone does scum!Palmar fake 2 dumbtells in a single post? Taking in consideration that people have scumread DMB for dumbtelling


we should ask the palmar expert when he wakes up.

Yeah. @marv what do you think?

On March 09 2024 13:22 Rels wrote:
I don't think he does

On March 09 2024 13:23 Rels wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2024 06:59 Palmar wrote:
So like I'm going to try to sort of organize the game in my head, and I'm going to do it out loud, so you can watch me think. It's a fascinating display.

We probably have about 5 mafia in this game. It could be 4, but then they have very strong roles. Normal balance would suggest 5.

This means I need to start sort of filtering down the people I want to think about.

First up, the people I don't really want to lynch or even consider at all:

DarthPunk for huge filter and repeatedly liking his takes on things.
Vivax because that's the gamble we made when we didn't policy lynch him.

Then there's the weaker town reads that are definitely going to contain some mafia:

Koshi was very good early day 1, but I feel like his impact has been reduced. Still not enough to start calling him mafia
marvellosity - I kinda think he's maybe town, he did come around on me correctly, and I kinda trust sandro's read. So for what it's worth, he goes into the "worry later" pile.

Then there's the people who will be resolved by today

Slam - we lynch slam if Oats flips non-miller town. The frame idea is statistically so unlikely
Oats - we lynch Oats today because despite his efforts, there is like 90% chance of him flipping mafia. He does look and say townie things which is pretty well played, but the odds of any other random player flipping red just happen to be significantly lower

Frame math:
Slam check 1/18 (lynches + himself) players = 5.56% chance he checks Oats
Framer frames 1/14 players (21 - 2 lynches - 5 mafia) = 7.14% chance Oats gets framed

This means there's like... 0.3% chance a framer hits the same target the cop checks (but obviously intiution skews this a lot) it's still the best play to do it like that.


Actually as I write this I realize I have way too few townread, which means I really, really need to get work done. For one reason or another I don't trust any of the people below.



Jealous - lack of investigation from me, little posting
Meapak_Ziphh - lack of investigation from me, I'm masoned with the dude but I'm a terrible mason partner because I think they're stupid. That's mostly on me. I also recall some of his posting being a little meek
justanothertownie - Some really atrocious takes throughout the game. Bullshit associative reads and voting without any kind of analysis.
die_meatbaby - lack of investigation from me. I remember having a different feel from last game, but she still gets stuck on dumb shit.
CopCake - I kinda liked rayn's point during the night. Also she should really think I'm town after our discussion in the night.
JacobStrangelove - This guy is clearly just smart. I liked his posting because it's all pretty reasonable, but I feel like he isn't moving the needle at all this game. Happy sitting back and not getting listened to.
Iamperfection - One particularly terrible take during the night, but maybe he just doesn't know what a policy lynch is. I didn't follow up enough to understand if it was malicious or just kinda stupid.
ToTheStars - lurker
VisceraEyes - Fell off cliff. Where VE?
Rels - Terrible case on me on day 1 that reeked of mafia trying to "contribute". Super clear he wasn't caught up on the game and lacked opinionsþ


The 2 dumbtells are in that post ("4 or 5 mafia", "JSL could be scum even though he claimed")
I might be biaised by this but I really like this Palmar post. Feels like a really genuine world view

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