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On March 08 2024 21:17 justanothertownie wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 21:16 marvellosity wrote:On March 08 2024 21:14 justanothertownie wrote:On March 08 2024 19:36 justanothertownie wrote:On March 08 2024 11:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
The egos people have in this game to sit here and try to talk around probability is absurd. Someone doing it is scum. On March 08 2024 11:27 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
look vivax Im ngl, oats has made posts that if he made them 48 hours ago Id def townread him too, but I don't think Im better at reading the game than the probability of events that had to occur for him to somehow be checked wrong. Like I do get why you don't wanna lynch him but its still the right move.
lol I was thinking about this a bit. Would. Mafia MZ lack the self-awareness to be this much of a hypocrite? Reads a little as a town case tbh. Think he’d be more careful. That's what I meant.
I know x
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On March 08 2024 21:14 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 21:10 CopCake wrote:
I know MZ asked me something, glanced it a while ago.
I considered odd that Slam picked Oats, as easy as that. It felt out of character tbqh.
Are you casting doubt on slams alignment here?
I have said many times that Slam is town, you can go and read my filter. I mean you spent an insane time talking about me big boi.
I only answered what MZ asked.
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On March 08 2024 21:14 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 21:11 DarthPunk wrote:On March 08 2024 21:08 marvellosity wrote:On March 08 2024 20:30 DarthPunk wrote:
Marv can you summarize the major points of your mz discussion with Sandro please I already did so. We talked a whole bunch about the few posts he made about whether two people posting simultaneously about the ms game was scum. Sandro had said he had thought it was town but reevaluating as he was struggling to get scumreads. We agreed it was in balance townie but MZ could do it as mafia. Sandro thought MZ poking around near the start of his filter was townie, I didn’t really agree. I thought MZ might be mafia because his posts didn’t infuriate me - but by that metric his recent posting is townie. We didn’t end on any sort of firm conclusion Well that is disappointing I tend to land on sandro's side of the argument. MZ looks townish to me when I read his filter and interact with him in the thread but I am having trouble finding 5 mafia. He just keeps scumhunting his whole filter and following threads of interest. What did you think to oats case on him?
Bad.
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On March 08 2024 21:18 CopCake wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 21:14 DarthPunk wrote:On March 08 2024 21:10 CopCake wrote:
I know MZ asked me something, glanced it a while ago.
I considered odd that Slam picked Oats, as easy as that. It felt out of character tbqh.
Are you casting doubt on slams alignment here? I have said many times that Slam is town, you can go and read my filter. I mean you spent an insane time talking about me big boi. I only answered what MZ asked.
ok.
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On March 08 2024 21:19 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 21:14 marvellosity wrote:On March 08 2024 21:11 DarthPunk wrote:On March 08 2024 21:08 marvellosity wrote:On March 08 2024 20:30 DarthPunk wrote:
Marv can you summarize the major points of your mz discussion with Sandro please I already did so. We talked a whole bunch about the few posts he made about whether two people posting simultaneously about the ms game was scum. Sandro had said he had thought it was town but reevaluating as he was struggling to get scumreads. We agreed it was in balance townie but MZ could do it as mafia. Sandro thought MZ poking around near the start of his filter was townie, I didn’t really agree. I thought MZ might be mafia because his posts didn’t infuriate me - but by that metric his recent posting is townie. We didn’t end on any sort of firm conclusion Well that is disappointing I tend to land on sandro's side of the argument. MZ looks townish to me when I read his filter and interact with him in the thread but I am having trouble finding 5 mafia. He just keeps scumhunting his whole filter and following threads of interest. What did you think to oats case on him? Bad.
Can you explain a little? What specifically was bad? I don’t need a high effort response
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On March 08 2024 21:17 marvellosity wrote:
I,m answering for her because she has previously said she didn’t understand but then slam posted the reasons and it made sense.
OK it was weird cause it was out of context I guess and from hours ago.
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I mean if we can deal with MZ one way or another we’re in good shape
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On March 08 2024 10:14 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 03:15 CopCake wrote:On March 08 2024 03:13 Alakaslam wrote:On March 08 2024 02:42 CopCake wrote:On March 08 2024 02:39 justanothertownie wrote:On March 08 2024 02:36 CopCake wrote:On March 08 2024 02:31 justanothertownie wrote:On March 08 2024 02:28 Koshi wrote:On March 08 2024 02:24 CopCake wrote:On March 08 2024 02:23 Koshi wrote:
If you want my opinion:
rayn: because ve and or Palmar are mafia. I think mafia wouldn't kill rayn over marv if it wasnt the reads. Marv has way more pull in the thread. (Supertinfoil. Cuz marv is mafia and rayn claimed to him)
I forgot thz second kill lol. I am going insane. You need to consider Mafia either didnt believe Slam´s claim or were more afraid of Rayn / Sandro Yeah. Why not shoot slam. Would mafia have known rayn was blue? Because that would make it less likely slam also is blue? But then marv is mafia. That's the tricky part. Sandro and rayn are both solid shots on their own. I agree rayn either because of his reads or because Marv is mafia (doubtful). Sandro had a very strong position since he was backed by Marv almost unconditionally. But why would they ever let the claimed cop live? Not even role blocking him? This is the tricky thing. I think mafia is pretty narcissistic and do not consider Slam dangerous. It makes a bit of sense since I would assume Slam would visit Rayn, me or marv. @Slam: I am correct in that? Who would you have visited? What do you mean would have visited? He DID visit somebody... and it would have to be a pretty stupid mafia team since it really doesn't matter who is getting the checks. Instead of Oats, sorry if my english is bad. OH yeah I said that already, DP D: I am not a Slam expert. This train of posts, she was 'analysing' with an agenda. You can tell when she is horrified at slams answer that I was his scum check if not oats. This was clear to me since he claimed cop, but she now doesn't make the next steps in her 'analysis' and start to think that why would DP as mafia leave slam alive and unroleblocked when he is the obvious cop check. She was gearing up to call me mafia as an old school narcasstic player based on NK analysis that is not genuine. Then we have the series of posts where she over analyses the Oats red check and has a lot to say about it which is just obvious. So it came across as performative. Finally she is blatantly trying to pocket you and wifom the fact you are still alive, when the obvious answer is that it paints her to look bad that you are alive, cause you are keeping her alive. She should know that as either alginment but again is really performative about 'considering' NK and marvs alignment in a way that just strikes me as an excuse to hard buddy and pocket marv for his town read of her.
I dont know why are you asking me the same questions when you already know what is my position on the matter.
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Hahahah how do you have 36 pages of filter DP. Fuck me.
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On March 08 2024 10:32 DarthPunk wrote:
Vivax I helped you become mayor, so I feel I have a responsibility to keep you on track.
So when you do dumb shit I am going to block you every time until I die.
If you don't want to lynch Oats today that is fine, I will lynch Cake who is confirmed fucking mafia and then we can lynch oats tomorrow.
You may be mayor right now but i am in control of this fucking thread.
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Go ahead big boi, lynch me.
This is your town, no?
Or are you gonna start two trains out of thin air like with Tfrel and JAT?
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On March 08 2024 21:25 CopCake wrote:
Go ahead big boi, lynch me.
This is your town, no?
Or are you gonna start two trains out of thin air like with Tfrel and JAT?
Can we park the whole CC DP business. At least till day 3
That goes to both of you
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On March 07 2024 14:43 Oatsmaster wrote:Okay so I was quoting a bunch of mz posts but I fucked up somewhere and the post is gone. Anyway let me try again Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 00:59 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 18:28 marvellosity wrote:On March 04 2024 12:32 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 DarthPunk wrote:
If we vote for the tip top town to be mayor, why can't we trust them with a vig shot?
Sure make suggestions and stuff, but I know if I was the mayor I am just going to back myself, because I know I am town and can make a smart shot.
But I don't know if you're town and I'm still not trusting my tip top town with a shot on D1. Sorry MZ, you’d trust a collective town with all sorts of levels of play, and containing multiple mafia, to make a better choice than your best town read? On D1? Yes. Outside of people like Ver or Ace or incognito, I don't think there's anyone on TL who I'd trust over my own reads on D1. I know trfel and I kinda beat the whole mayor kill thing to death in the first few pages but I just think using it as a town double lynch has a way higher chance of hitting scum than one guy taking a gut shot. So mz here says that he trusts his own reads above everyone else in the game but then somehow twists that to having town choose the mayor kill being ideal which would give mz the benefit of mayor without the drawbacks of the responsibility to actually carry out the kill. Scummy
I don't think this is alignment indicative, I agree with what sandro? says about this being an old-school approach, and I can recall other townies suggesting this in older games.
On March 07 2024 14:43 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 05 2024 11:09 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 05 2024 06:45 sandroba wrote:
I mean I can see you not confident rayn is town, being maybe null on trfel and leaning scum on marv. But pushing to lynch into these 3 now is just ridiculous as town, you are sowing doubt and with no actual town goal. I'm pretty convinced koshi is scum Is he scum or frustrated by the mason circle and trying to force a case to justify his emotions? Mz then goes through koshi and flip flops a couple of posts about koshi and right after that does this weird defending post to Sandro where it seems like he has a really firm townread on koshi which wasn’t a natural progression. He does this earlier with dmb too, in a very unnatural way.
I think town are more likely to be fluid in their reads, I can see what Oats is saying here but I don't agree it is scummy, and it didn't really strike me as unnatural over being open minded.
On March 07 2024 14:43 Oatsmaster wrote:MZ also spends most of the day tunneling copcake and writing posts that he never follows up on about the people that “thought vivax was town but didn’t want him to be mayor” However come to right after the lynch, mz posts this Show nested quote +On March 06 2024 12:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 06 2024 12:15 Vivax wrote:On March 06 2024 12:14 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 12:12 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 12:12 CopCake wrote:
In before, cake why were you so sure Tfrel was town? Only mafia can be like that 🧟♀️
I wasnt sure, but I stated why Tfrel is a good player AND it was probably his real birthday today, we saw a birthday cake in his username and he said he was unaware, so if he id mia maybe it is because of the celebration. You wasted your vote, so you can't be mad if you are town. I didnt wasted my vote, I was sleeping. And spent yesterday part of the day praising Tfrel. You saying this is unfair. And a bad player. You put your alarm at 1 minute after deadline ? lmfao I missed this, I had the exact same thought. I always hate when people come strolling into the thread after a lynch and talk about how bad everyone was for lynching a townie when their vote is on some rando with no real chance of dying and they weren't around at the deadline. As if the person he’s talking about isn’t his top scumread throughout day 1 and just some rando. Again makes no sense for a townie to think like this.
Pretty sure he is mistaking Vivax for Cake in this point.
On March 07 2024 14:43 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 11:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
OK I'm caught up. No way scum shoots me with everyone who decided it was time for the D2 MZ scum read a little early but in case someone was inspired to vigi me I've got the following for scum in order of confidence:
JSL for stuff I've previously posted about
VE for completely fucking off from the game when the pressure let up from him
TTS for also completely fucking off
Marv based on vibes and his refusal to interact with the thread outside of the mason group.
JAT (but this is a weak read since my vote on him was more because I thought he was scummier, worth a revisit for me)
I'm no longer scumreading cop but I just wish she would answer my questions about JSL
Town reads who I'm never gonna lynch are:
Sandroba
Vivax
DP
Koshi
Randomly now townreads her even though he previously said how he hates her play, there’s no explanation here as to why he flips. Overall, it just doesn’t seem like mz has natural progressions and is not trying to find mafia
I don't think this means he is town reading cake. He just has her as null rather than scum cause it seemed like JSL pinged him hard at the time, again, reevaluating reads isn't scummy to me.
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On March 08 2024 21:27 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 21:25 CopCake wrote:
Go ahead big boi, lynch me.
This is your town, no?
Or are you gonna start two trains out of thin air like with Tfrel and JAT? Can we park the whole CC DP business. At least till day 3 That goes to both of you
I'll post what I want.
I am not hyper tunnelling her right now, she is responding to a post clearly directed at you as a response to a question from you.
I posted shit from rayn I thought needed to be brought to the attention of the thread. That's it.
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Like clearly one of us has been trying to provoke the other from her first real post of the game.
Im just trying to figure shit out this phase.
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On March 08 2024 17:53 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 17:38 Koshi wrote:On March 08 2024 17:21 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2024 17:18 Koshi wrote:On March 08 2024 17:12 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2024 17:11 Koshi wrote:On March 08 2024 10:32 DarthPunk wrote:
Vivax I helped you become mayor, so I feel I have a responsibility to keep you on track.
So when you do dumb shit I am going to block you every time until I die.
If you don't want to lynch Oats today that is fine, I will lynch Cake who is confirmed fucking mafia and then we can lynch oats tomorrow.
You may be mayor right now but i am in control of this fucking thread. CC is not mafia. Worst case she is traitor and played very cool D1. Koshi talk to me, where are you at right now You have to die because I am too time constrained to reread and get invested. I am quite clueless this game. Those names I posted earlier are my choices but I dont have good reasons. It's more PoE. MZ I think is mafia. Really think he is faking activity when he is here. And he has some towntells he didnt show. (Rage after lynch) Rels is playing a safe scumgame and will be very hard to lynch. Is Jacob confirmed blue gunsmith? Because I also think he might be mafia. Bit if he is blue that is wrong ofc. My townreads are pretty solid I think. (Yes I realise my only towncase this game was on a redcheck) So VE, Dmb, Palmar left (cuz rayn) And then TTS who could be anything. Just saying your reads are almost exactly the same as mine lol Ok, I am a bit behind so cant factcheck but I am voting VE. I hope people stop being stupid and dont lynch you. Me too Here’s my read list Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 09:47 Oatsmaster wrote:
Okay here’s a short read list while I have some time
Town
Koshi
Vivax
Slam
Jsl
Cake
Dp
Marv
Iamp
Mafia
Dmb
Mz
Jat
Tts
VE
Although I’d move dmv out of mafia and put Palmar in
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On March 08 2024 21:27 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 14:43 Oatsmaster wrote:Okay so I was quoting a bunch of mz posts but I fucked up somewhere and the post is gone. Anyway let me try again On March 05 2024 00:59 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 18:28 marvellosity wrote:On March 04 2024 12:32 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 04 2024 12:28 DarthPunk wrote:
If we vote for the tip top town to be mayor, why can't we trust them with a vig shot?
Sure make suggestions and stuff, but I know if I was the mayor I am just going to back myself, because I know I am town and can make a smart shot.
But I don't know if you're town and I'm still not trusting my tip top town with a shot on D1. Sorry MZ, you’d trust a collective town with all sorts of levels of play, and containing multiple mafia, to make a better choice than your best town read? On D1? Yes. Outside of people like Ver or Ace or incognito, I don't think there's anyone on TL who I'd trust over my own reads on D1. I know trfel and I kinda beat the whole mayor kill thing to death in the first few pages but I just think using it as a town double lynch has a way higher chance of hitting scum than one guy taking a gut shot. So mz here says that he trusts his own reads above everyone else in the game but then somehow twists that to having town choose the mayor kill being ideal which would give mz the benefit of mayor without the drawbacks of the responsibility to actually carry out the kill. Scummy I don't think this is alignment indicative, I agree with what sandro? says about this being an old-school approach, and I can recall other townies suggesting this in older games. Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 14:43 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 05 2024 11:09 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 05 2024 06:45 sandroba wrote:
I mean I can see you not confident rayn is town, being maybe null on trfel and leaning scum on marv. But pushing to lynch into these 3 now is just ridiculous as town, you are sowing doubt and with no actual town goal. I'm pretty convinced koshi is scum Is he scum or frustrated by the mason circle and trying to force a case to justify his emotions? Mz then goes through koshi and flip flops a couple of posts about koshi and right after that does this weird defending post to Sandro where it seems like he has a really firm townread on koshi which wasn’t a natural progression. He does this earlier with dmb too, in a very unnatural way. I think town are more likely to be fluid in their reads, I can see what Oats is saying here but I don't agree it is scummy, and it didn't really strike me as unnatural over being open minded. Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 14:43 Oatsmaster wrote:MZ also spends most of the day tunneling copcake and writing posts that he never follows up on about the people that “thought vivax was town but didn’t want him to be mayor” However come to right after the lynch, mz posts this On March 06 2024 12:26 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:On March 06 2024 12:15 Vivax wrote:On March 06 2024 12:14 CopCake wrote:On March 06 2024 12:12 DarthPunk wrote:On March 06 2024 12:12 CopCake wrote:
In before, cake why were you so sure Tfrel was town? Only mafia can be like that 🧟♀️
I wasnt sure, but I stated why Tfrel is a good player AND it was probably his real birthday today, we saw a birthday cake in his username and he said he was unaware, so if he id mia maybe it is because of the celebration. You wasted your vote, so you can't be mad if you are town. I didnt wasted my vote, I was sleeping. And spent yesterday part of the day praising Tfrel. You saying this is unfair. And a bad player. You put your alarm at 1 minute after deadline ? lmfao I missed this, I had the exact same thought. I always hate when people come strolling into the thread after a lynch and talk about how bad everyone was for lynching a townie when their vote is on some rando with no real chance of dying and they weren't around at the deadline. As if the person he’s talking about isn’t his top scumread throughout day 1 and just some rando. Again makes no sense for a townie to think like this. Pretty sure he is mistaking Vivax for Cake in this point. Show nested quote +On March 07 2024 14:43 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 07 2024 11:06 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
OK I'm caught up. No way scum shoots me with everyone who decided it was time for the D2 MZ scum read a little early but in case someone was inspired to vigi me I've got the following for scum in order of confidence:
JSL for stuff I've previously posted about
VE for completely fucking off from the game when the pressure let up from him
TTS for also completely fucking off
Marv based on vibes and his refusal to interact with the thread outside of the mason group.
JAT (but this is a weak read since my vote on him was more because I thought he was scummier, worth a revisit for me)
I'm no longer scumreading cop but I just wish she would answer my questions about JSL
Town reads who I'm never gonna lynch are:
Sandroba
Vivax
DP
Koshi
Randomly now townreads her even though he previously said how he hates her play, there’s no explanation here as to why he flips. Overall, it just doesn’t seem like mz has natural progressions and is not trying to find mafia I don't think this means he is town reading cake. He just has her as null rather than scum cause it seemed like JSL pinged him hard at the time, again, reevaluating reads isn't scummy to me.
Thanks. I do appreciate this.
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On March 08 2024 21:27 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 21:25 CopCake wrote:
Go ahead big boi, lynch me.
This is your town, no?
Or are you gonna start two trains out of thin air like with Tfrel and JAT? Can we park the whole CC DP business. At least till day 3 That goes to both of you
He spent 5 hours talking about me when I was at work.
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On March 08 2024 21:23 marvellosity wrote:
Hahahah how do you have 36 pages of filter DP. Fuck me.
Probably because I keep posting after I should stop 
Like right now.
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On March 08 2024 11:54 Oatsmaster wrote:Show nested quote +On March 08 2024 11:50 CopCake wrote:On March 08 2024 11:46 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2024 11:42 CopCake wrote:On March 08 2024 11:39 Oatsmaster wrote:On March 08 2024 11:36 CopCake wrote:On March 08 2024 11:33 CopCake wrote:
I have a question
What is more likely to happen?
Assume I am town (I am)
- DP has a gun
- Vivax JK
- Slam cop
- Jacob smith
In the imaginary world DP is town and I am mafia, I think it is obvious they would block DP. (Maybe)
Because then, they have a JK, cop and gunsmith free.
But i know I am town, so mafia WONT block DP,
So, if mafia considers Vivax/Slam or Jacobs actions less important, they are in dip shit because slam can get results, vivax can protect/roleblock and jacob can give guns.
So mafia definetly cant waste their roleblock on DP. Sorry this might be written weirdly, but just assume is next night. What happens if I am alive during the day? :D We should be getting a report at least from two of the three blue roles (vivax/jacob/slam) Because mafia stopped the vig shot. I need to stop this train of thought. 1. Jsl has no night actions, he’s a 1 shot gunsmith and he’s given it out 2. If vivax JKs slam, slam doesn’t get a check making his role useless So mafia absolutely can use their rb on dp in this scenario Oh <~< I believed it was a every night action, nevermind Let’s get focused here, What would you like to see from me before I get lynched. How can I help you I think it is better if you ask from “more experienced” players. My playstyle is not exactly the best cup of tea. I wanna know what I can provide for you lol
pretty sure this means oats town reads me but I think he should answer.
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