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marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 09 2024 14:38 GMT
#5556
On March 09 2024 23:37 justanothertownie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2024 23:31 marvellosity wrote:
On March 09 2024 23:27 iamperfection wrote:
On March 09 2024 23:24 marvellosity wrote:
This isn’t a democracy

I'll give you one for sure then you give me one. TTS

I think these people are town

DP
Vivax
Jealous
Palmar
Cc
Jsl
Iamp
Koshi
Slam

Poe is the rest. But tbh I would be shocked if all the above are town.

Are you caught up by now? Gotta say that people like CC, Iamp, Jealous and even Koshi at this point appearing here while I don't is starting to annoy me.

*fixed

It’s because I have a very healthy dose of respect for your mafia game, Jat. It’s literally a compliment.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 09 2024 14:41 GMT
#5557
On March 09 2024 05:51 Jealous wrote:
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On March 09 2024 01:56 CopCake wrote:
Jelaous is just pretending to care to have reads, complains about people derailing the thread, but he considered “vivax slapping dumb” a very good answer.

I think he doesnt care about reads but just wants to look “good”

Okay, I'm now just convinced that you have significant reading comprehension issues, so basically anything you say is NAI. This is just such a horrifically bad take that it can only come as a result of your eyes tricking you into believing you know how to read.

Here are points I was responding to:

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Starting a discussion with Dp with my English, his ambition and his never-ending questions get on my nerves. I would never voluntarily start a discussion with him if I didn't have to and the only reason I do it is because he is my main scum read.
Being scum was really fun for me and that would take the fun out of it ergo I can not be scum

^ This was included in my quote for context.

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I put myself under pressure to start that shit with dp. I know i couldn´t handle that as well as I should so why should I do that as mafia? I knew he gonna give me a lot of pressure more then all the other players would, so again why should I start that and not just take someone easyer do try do lynch and go more with the crowd thoughts. Why even start with the master? I would not be that stupid as mafia

^ This is what I was responding to more specifically.

Here is what I said in response to that:

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Okay, now I understand what you were saying before. Thanks for clarifying. I actually kinda like this thought process because at least I get it.


You can tell, because what I am responding to is right above what I wrote. You can see the original post here:
https://tl.net/forum/mafia/621454-a-classy-game-of-mafia?page=187#3731

The part about ass slapping, honestly I just ignored it.

CopCake, I know you're only working with what God gave you. But please, when you think that something doesn't make sense or is funny because it's dumb, try to consider if maybe the problem lies within, not without.

Sorry but I’ve been chuckling for a good minute
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 09 2024 14:42 GMT
#5559
On March 09 2024 06:35 Palmar wrote:
So, I'm going to finally make the case you've all been waiting for.

[b]raynpelikoneet is scum[b]

The entire case hinges on two points. There is some other weirdness in his postings, but those are by far the most important ones

Point 1 - rayn demands, twice and in all caps, that I make a case on Vivax

The reason this is important is because it clearly implies rayn never actually read my filter

Show nested quote +
On March 06 2024 22:55 raynpelikoneet wrote:
WHERE IS YOUR FUCKING CASE ON VIVAX, PALMAR?


Show nested quote +
On March 06 2024 22:54 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On March 06 2024 08:55 Palmar wrote:
I'm finalizing here.

I like a bunch of mafia in:

rayn
jat
rels
mz
tts

then there's gonna be some mafia in the people who should be killed on policy

vivax
trfel
hapa



then there's the people that need constant monitoring and need to improve

iamp
marv
jealous
copcake
slam
ve

and finally we have the people I have somewhere from mild to good reasons to think are town

sandro
oats
dp
dmb
jls
koshi

None of the lists are in any particular order

I don't really think Trfel will flip mafia. It's just a "I believe in people" read that he wouldn't fuck off like that as mafia with the whole "If I get lynched I get lynched" thing. But it's an objectively good lynch so I'm not going to fight it all that hard. Leaving my vote on jat. I've been burned before by placing too much faith in people not doing crazy things as mafia so it's whatever.

where is your case on vivax?


But the problem is, I had explained my stance on Vivax multiple times in the thread. Like I'm actually kinda annoyed with myself for how often I repeated that same point.

Here's a link to a post where I summarized me repeatedly expressing the same stance on Vivax.

https://tl.net/forum/viewpost.php?post_id=28152997

In conclusion. rayn considers me his #1 lynch target but hasn't actually read my filter and doesn't know my stances.

Point 2 - rayn refuses to acknowledge that I don't think and play like him

This one is a little more nuanced to explain, especially to people who weren't involved in the last game we played, but for context here's the gist of it.

On day 3, I am town and kinda think rayn may be town. rayn is however mafia and is tunneling me as an established scumread.

The most significant post here is this:

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On December 16 2023 22:59 Palmar wrote:
On December 16 2023 22:50 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Palmar can you make a post about why it's reasonable to assume i am mafia with (1) sandroba or (2) holyflare?

I don’t make associative reads


In the same way as he does this game for the mason thing, rayn demands a townread because I have other people that aren't him as possible mafia, and then claims it's impossible that they could be scum together.

To me, this is a clear logical fallacy, because it assumes that I'm always right on my scumreads other than rayn. I explain this even further here in the last game.

Show nested quote +
On December 17 2023 01:24 Palmar wrote:
On December 16 2023 23:53 raynpelikoneet wrote:
On December 16 2023 23:33 Palmar wrote:
Rayn, I’m not going to read your entire filter because I don’t hate myself. But I did open it and read from the bottom up. I can’t remember if this is something you normally do but you’re spending almost no effort on forming town reads. The best I could find was like “maybe marv is just town” and something like that.

Like have you at any point in this game tried to argue that someone is town?

Do youthink that's something that makes me mafia?
I mean like its probably the easiest thing to do as mafia, call townies town for correct reasons. I also heavily abuse that fact as mafia.

I dont care if you do associative reads or not.
I find it suspicious that the people who i sm literally the least likely to be mafia with ate the ones you geoup with me being mafia with snd just sit on that.

Also i disagree that i had no influence on the game. Its true i have not been as active as usual. But i was a key factor to almost change the lynch from Vivax to sandroba D1, and i also believe i was one of the key votes to lynch Chezinu.


In order cause phoneposting.

Not necessarily but it’s different from what I do. I said I can’t remember if it’s normal for you.

Again, I don’t think this way. Maybe I’m wrong on something. Maybe mafia is playing lone wolf. I just don’t care at all who is likely to be mafia with who. It has no impact on how I think about any game.

You HAVE been active. You have one of the longest filters in the game. You just haven’t been influential.


So given that we literally had this discussion last game, rayn's claim THIS game that I must be mafia because I refuse to think in associations like he does means he has to be scum himself.

Not because he doesn't know my playstyle, that's actually completely acceptable

he's mafia because he's reminded that I just explained my playstyle to him last game, I play like I always do again, and remind him that's how I think, but he still refuses to listen

This means he doesn't WANT to listen, and his objective isn't actually finding out my alignment, just wants to kill me.

In conclusion: raynpelikoneet





I mean the only other option is that he's a moron.




Omg 😆😆😆
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 09 2024 14:47 GMT
#5560
I really want Rels to be mafia, but does he gloat not once, but twice about his elite read?

Hmm.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 09 2024 14:49 GMT
#5561
On March 09 2024 08:01 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
I'm home, Palmar has utterly disappointed me.

I feel the opposite
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 09 2024 14:51 GMT
#5562
To be honest, with oats flipping mafia, I am a lot less confident in my CC read.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 09 2024 14:54 GMT
#5564
On March 09 2024 09:40 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2024 09:33 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 09 2024 09:28 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
On March 09 2024 09:22 DarthPunk wrote:
On March 08 2024 11:20 Meapak_Ziphh wrote:
The egos people have in this game to sit here and try to talk around probability is absurd. Someone doing it is scum.


If we wanna talk more math that I'm bad at, it's not 1/19 chance of Slam's check vs 1/19 check of a framer (which tbh is what I'm assuming happened), it's 1/slam's reads vs 1/slams read's since he claimed so scum had an idea of where he'd be looking.

Koshi's post about this earlier today was really good on this, I think I've quoted it twice now.


Haven’t you called people not voting for oats mafia for the whole phase?

Only the first half, I spent a while last night trying to figure out why people I was previously townreading were doing things I didn't understand. Spent a bit trying to read the game from a different point of view.

Yes, I am fully aware that this is going to be perceived very poorly by multiple people who think I am scummy. Yes I also believe I'm making the right play. And yes I fully recognize the irony of the ego comment that I made yesterday.

MZ’s behaviour is so blatantly scummy it might be town. Maybe.

Maybe not.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 09 2024 14:55 GMT
#5565
On March 09 2024 10:06 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2024 10:03 DarthPunk wrote:
Just vote oats whats the problem?


Half the playerbase going emo mode that‘s the problem.

Irony
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 09 2024 14:57 GMT
#5567
On March 09 2024 10:57 Oatsmaster wrote:
Town
Vivax: JK no words necessary

Jsl: uncced GS

Slam: I think the abstract sort of confusion that slam has operated in for the majority of the 2 days is very townie and he has expressed very clear opinions and reads of people so I absolutely think he’s lock town. Not to mention cop etc

DP: he’s been actively pushing to lynch me this entire cycle which I don’t think mafia would do here, much safer to just go with the flow and not actively keep pushing. He’s also started actually giving reads this latter half of the day and scumhunting which again, doesn’t make sense for mafia to do.

Iamp: very townie pushes that he felt invested in and actually wanted to see the dead people. Kinda the reverse of dp, he’s been hard on not lynching me here which again makes no sense for mafia to do because it’s super easy to tmi and mess up especially with the day starting the way it did with everyone believing it

Marv: I was hesitant early on day 1 when he was playing mostly in the dm with rayn but I think at this point the Palmar push was good and I see absolutely no reason mafia!marv discloses that rayn told him who he was targeting with his night action. I do also like that he called out mz’s nonsense today.

Cake: this is a read I’ve been flip flopping throughout the game but at this point I’m settled on her being firmly town, I think the jealous thing especially that happened today is townie because it only draws attention to her and it didn’t feel manufactured or plannned.

Koshi: ngl this read has been fading throughout today. The mid part of day 1 I had a really solid townread on him but I don’t like that his activity has dived so much. However I do like that he’s not voting for me so he’s still firmly town.

Jealous: Said earlier today but I think that his scumhunting efforts have been good and he feels like he wants to solve the game and find the mafia.

DMB: same as the last post about her, none of what she’s doing makes sense as mafia, I’m treating the dumb telling as nai and I mean the dp push is misguided but it feels like she cares

Palmar: slow start but he’s posted a fair bunch today. I don’t think mafia Palmar has to capacity do that rayn post and I also don’t think mafia Palmar gets off of me onto VE.

Mafia
Rels: the way that rels has approached today is atrocious. He’s just come in here, stuck his vote on me and left. This is in addition to his day 1 malaise and overreaction in the night.

Mz: Not actually progressing through reads well. The way he approached his cake read was fully odd and not natural with that night post seemingly not to realize that he was literally complaining about his top scum read. I fully expect him to end up on me before the day ends.

Jat: the day 1 super marv sheep without actually reading marv as town was not good and he hasn’t used today at all to advance any of his reads, just content to sit on me and do some waffle

Tts: the insane “I’m a noob idk what is going on” thing is not it and he’s played exactly how I think mafia would play today, just act confused then place a vote

VE: comes into the game terribly saying he’s gonna be active but just doesn’t play. His outrage doesn’t feel real in his posts and he seems like he’s just struggling to actually take an interest in scumhunting

———————-
Do not fucking lynch slam ever no matter if I flip miller or VT or I will end you after this game.

I know it’s entirely wifom. But oats must be putting mafia in the town list here, it’s just human nature. It’s a very similar list to mine except DMB is in it.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 09 2024 15:00 GMT
#5569
On March 09 2024 23:58 justanothertownie wrote:
If VE is mafia what MZ is doing just makes no sense to me. Good reason to still do it of course.

This is why I want to see VE flip more than anything else.

I don’t understand VE’s stupid bravado tbh. VE can get a bit lost or sad or confused as town, especially when he feels he’s on the sidelines. I don’t like his attitude in his recent burst.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 09 2024 15:09 GMT
#5570
The fact this game is so confusing to me really suggests VE is mafia. Because I’m (potentially) townreading too many slots.

I can find reasons for lots of the people not in my town list to be town. MZ, Rels, Jat good examples.

Can’t find a reason for VE or TTS.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 09 2024 15:16 GMT
#5571
Jat and CC probs sit somewhere in between my town and Poe lists tbh
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 09 2024 15:21 GMT
#5573
On March 10 2024 00:19 iamperfection wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2024 00:16 marvellosity wrote:
Jat and CC probs sit somewhere in between my town and Poe lists tbh

And what about meat. Did you see what we talked about after flip.

She’s in PoE list.

She would be the 3rd person I shoot after VE and TTS
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 09 2024 16:12 GMT
#5580
On March 10 2024 00:59 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 09 2024 23:55 marvellosity wrote:
On March 09 2024 10:06 Vivax wrote:
On March 09 2024 10:03 DarthPunk wrote:
Just vote oats whats the problem?


Half the playerbase going emo mode that‘s the problem.

Irony


We kill the roleblocker then we discuss the benefits of me claiming.

What do we make of Dp, Oats and some other dude shenanning to dmb at Eod 1

My memory might be failing but it never seemed realistic?
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 09 2024 16:13 GMT
#5581
On March 10 2024 01:12 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2024 01:03 justanothertownie wrote:
On March 10 2024 01:00 Vivax wrote:
Marv only you can kill jat here if he‘s mafia.
If you die tonight the window closes can you finish the coffin during the night if you think he is scum ?

wat


He needs to tell everyone that you have to get annihilated tomorrow at all costs or he might die and everyone will reincarnate into the new day as a headless chicken.

Unpopular theory: We can just sheep Oats scumreads and win the game.

But that’s not what I think so why would I want to do that?

I’ve said repeatedly what I want :p
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 09 2024 16:17 GMT
#5584
Classic Jat :p
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 09 2024 16:23 GMT
#5590
He has made contributive posts. It’s not fair to say otherwise.

You’re just hyper aware about the mayor stuff
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 09 2024 16:30 GMT
#5597
On March 10 2024 01:28 Vivax wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 10 2024 01:23 marvellosity wrote:
He has made contributive posts. It’s not fair to say otherwise.

You’re just hyper aware about the mayor stuff


It‘s not assertive and unfun.
If he could crack a joke about it ok but he just wants to drag everyone‘s mood into the shitter

The key with enjoying Jat is to imagine all his posts end in a :p

Try it out
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 09 2024 16:45 GMT
#5600
On March 10 2024 01:43 Vivax wrote:
Imagine if every fifth post of mine was calling Hapa terrible for not playing and getting eliminated, but at least it ends with a :p

I don‘t even want to imagine the mindset behind it

I’m lucky, I enjoy jats bitching, even when it’s directed at me. Just makes me smile xD

We are all our own brand of weird.
[15:15] <Palmar> and yes marv, you're a total hottie
marvellosity
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom36161 Posts
March 09 2024 16:48 GMT
#5604
Let’s all just hold hands and murder VE
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