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On November 17 2023 18:58 Palmar wrote: /in Nice. | ||
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On November 23 2023 08:45 die_meatbaby wrote: I need to have Jacobstrangelove in every future game here. I can't play anymore without the short erotic summary after every day I can ask him to play if you want. | ||
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On December 07 2023 11:29 VisceraEyes wrote: /in Not sure if I'm in the Discord anymore Fixed that for you | ||
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On December 10 2023 13:25 Trfel wrote: I guess instead of waiting I'll let the cat out of the bag, I'm impatient. This post seems very wishy-washy, non-committal, and pointless. The first paragraph doesn't really say anything of substance (not that it's wrong per se, just doesn't really contribute anything meaningful to the game). The second paragraph is the same way. To me, he seems to end with exactly no read (and next to no thoughts) on Alakaslam. There's even "I like the poking about smiles, but it's phrased as a question so there is avoidance as well" which seems like aggressive-but-with-a-heavy-grain-of-salt that is easy to say without actually committing to it. "Posting within what I expected" and "not leaning one way or the other based on initial posts" doesn't end up meaning much at all. The other thing I want to note is all of the caveats and grain of salts and backtracking in sandroba's post. Not exactly sure how to phrase what I mean, but see here, in red: He's shying away from saying something, like making a read and then backing off from it. Or giving a reason to doubt what he just said, or placing a limiter on it. For such a small post, it's riddled with it. To me, this comes across as trying to be non-committal and playing the "safe game" while making it look like you are saying things and trying to figure things out. Trfel, what kind of committed position would you reasonably expect sandroba to have at that point in the game? | ||
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On December 10 2023 12:03 Alakaslam wrote: Why aren't y'all instant and hanging on every second like my phoneposting ass? I liked Slams entry, seemed keen to be playing, I think slam probably could do that as mafia, but I think his alignment will work itself out along the lines of his engagement levels so wouldn't want to lynch him today. On December 10 2023 12:03 Trfel wrote: Hi everyone, hope you have been well  Excited for the 12 player game. Increases my chance of finding mafia to 27.2%, higher than my normal 25% average! On December 10 2023 12:10 Trfel wrote: Also I should add, I could be wrong, but this seems like a heavy-EU player base in a game where the deadline is late at night for EU. So it's probably going to be important to be more organized and not rely on deadline shenanigans since people (hopefully) won't be around Unless there is some other solution to the Grackaroni deadline that people have discovered in my 3-year-plus absence. On December 10 2023 12:40 Trfel wrote: How are you doing, Alakaslam? Anyone else around? I do find it interesting that there is a mason mechanic this game. Not sure if there is any way to realistically use that to our advantage, but I guess it probably doesn't hurt? As a rule, I tend to associate entry to threads like this with mafia play (setup speculation particularly). Admittedly, it could be a case of a returning player trying to feel his way back into the thread, but the BS detector was going off big time. On December 10 2023 12:49 sandroba wrote: Hi everyone, excited to be playing a game after being away from Mafia for so long! I believe I have some familiarity with most if not all players on the list, although I might be very outdated in accessing their meta. So far we have Alakaslam who I feel is posting within what I expected, not leaning one way or the other based on his initial posts. I like the poking about smiles being sus, but at the same time, it's phrased as a question so there is a bit of avoidance in there as well. Again, not very telling. For Trfel, some might say I'm nit-picking, but I don't like the self-demeaning tone about his performance right out of the gate. Also, some generic advice and deadlines which sounds like trying to say something just to fit in. This could be understandable because we are mostly trying to generate some content at this point and get the discussion going, but this advice at this point so far away from the deadline doesn't do us much good at face value or as a conversation starter. Leaning suspicious from what I've seen so far. The last paragraph of this post reflected my viewpoint at that point in the thread, I don't really like the slam stuff. Meh. On December 10 2023 13:25 Trfel wrote: I guess instead of waiting I'll let the cat out of the bag, I'm impatient. This post seems very wishy-washy, non-committal, and pointless. The first paragraph doesn't really say anything of substance (not that it's wrong per se, just doesn't really contribute anything meaningful to the game). The second paragraph is the same way. To me, he seems to end with exactly no read (and next to no thoughts) on Alakaslam. There's even "I like the poking about smiles, but it's phrased as a question so there is avoidance as well" which seems like aggressive-but-with-a-heavy-grain-of-salt that is easy to say without actually committing to it. "Posting within what I expected" and "not leaning one way or the other based on initial posts" doesn't end up meaning much at all. The other thing I want to note is all of the caveats and grain of salts and backtracking in sandroba's post. Not exactly sure how to phrase what I mean, but see here, in red: He's shying away from saying something, like making a read and then backing off from it. Or giving a reason to doubt what he just said, or placing a limiter on it. For such a small post, it's riddled with it. To me, this comes across as trying to be non-committal and playing the "safe game" while making it look like you are saying things and trying to figure things out. The level 1 analysis of this is that a player is being aggressive early, not afraid to post and that would be good for Trfel. My initial feelings reading the post was that it felt forced, with a lot of generic statements to try and make Sandroba's post seeem worse than it was. I disagree that at the point of the game in which we are right now, that everything said needs to progress the game in a meaningful way. Sure, I would like that to be the case, but I also don't think that someone being non-committal is alignment indicative, in fact, someone being strongly committed early tends to make me lean mafia more than town, Town are trying to figure shit out at the start and are more curious than committed. | ||
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low effort, even for you :D | ||
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As you seem like the only one here, what are your thoughts on the sandroba, trfel entrances? | ||
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On December 10 2023 17:45 Alakaslam wrote: Early game overreaction by both! They threw suspicion around kinda quick If I saw later it was M/M I would chuckle at the cojones and be unsurprised Do you really think that sandroba and trfel were the same? That's not how i view it at all. | ||
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Yes. Yes it is. Vote: Trfel | ||
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On December 10 2023 18:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: Palmar pros town here. But what are you? What do you make of trfel? | ||
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On December 10 2023 18:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: Probs* The first one was correct. | ||
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Yeah I always do this  . Also sometime people are just scum (like cupcake read in one of the previous games) and trfel is fitting that bill for me. | ||
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On December 10 2023 19:19 marvellosity wrote: Don’t understand anyone who thinks Trfel is suspicious for calling out a pretty terrible first post from sandro tbh That's funny, I feel pretty much the exact opposite. | ||
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On December 10 2023 20:04 Trfel wrote: This is particularly interesting, didn't you literally call Sandroba's first post "meh"? I am saying I don't understand how anyone cannot find you suspicious for your post calling out sandro. | ||
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On December 10 2023 19:47 Trfel wrote: I'm not expecting some huge commitment or 100% certain reads or anything like that. But I think it's reasonable to expect something of substance. Sandroba failed to provide that. I understand people wanting to share thoughts, even if they aren't sure about the conclusions, but at the same time it's a game of mafia where the conclusions about people's alignments is ultimately what matters. My point about sandroba isn't that he didn't have any strong conclusions, it's the amount of thoughts he shared without any conclusions whatsoever and the way that he seemingly undermined any conclusion he could have made with doubt and take-backsies or whatever you want to call it. I don't think that everything needs to progress the game necessarily, or have a distinct purpose, it's that sandroba's post is the type of post that should have a purpose but just doesn't. What kind of substance are you expecting? he literally posted the 10th post of the game? | ||
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Lol why are we always like this hahaha. | ||
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On December 10 2023 20:18 Trfel wrote: I think DarthPunk is focusing more on the way I brought up suspicion about sandroba's post rather than just that I did it, but I could be wrong?If you go back to that quote I made with the red and take out the stuff in red then it would have had substantial conclusions. How confident would you say you were of sandroba's alignment when you wrote that post? | ||
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On December 10 2023 20:22 marvellosity wrote: This might just be a reflection on just how poor I thought sandro’s opening post was, though. Maybe. I don't think it was as bad as you seem to FWIW. | ||
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On December 10 2023 20:24 DarthPunk wrote: How confident would you say you were of sandroba's alignment when you wrote that post? Can you respond to this please. | ||
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On December 10 2023 20:31 Trfel wrote: I thought I did? Oh you did my bad. | ||
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On December 10 2023 20:29 Trfel wrote: I mean I don't like that DarthPunk is disagreeing with me, I don't know if that makes him mafia though. Townies disagree about things fairly often. I can still stand by my view of sandroba and not be sure about DarthPunk, no? Of sandroba's alignment? Not very. His opening post felt very suspicious, but it's just one post. That could just be the way he thinks and communicates his thoughts. I'm very interested to see how he follows it up. What -is- your view of Sandroba then? | ||
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Now fair enough, sandroba hasn't been around so you haven't been able to pursue things further. But your level of aggression just didn't really match with what was going on in the thread at the time, which you kind of acknowledge at the start of said post. On December 10 2023 13:25 Trfel wrote: I guess instead of waiting I'll let the cat out of the bag, I'm impatient. It's almost like an apology, like what were you waiting for? And now you are kind of backtracking, which also doesn't match with the way you lead out originally. it's all quite jarring to me. | ||
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On December 10 2023 21:06 Trfel wrote: DarthPunk, care to explain this? What exactly do you want me to explain about it? | ||
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On December 10 2023 21:18 Palmar wrote: Mafia don’t get impatient to post their trash takes in the thread DP. They’d rather not post them. Everyone here is better than this IMO. I agree on a basic level, but play develops beyond that point after a while. I tend to think townies are unapologetic and outraged when they detect some bullshit. Which is why I pointed it out, it speaks to a level of self-awareness of how he is viewed in my opinion. | ||
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On December 10 2023 21:28 Trfel wrote: Wait, what? I'm gonna need you to explain this one as well. I applied pressure, you held up well to the pressure, I am less inclined to lynch you now. | ||
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On December 10 2023 21:41 Vivax wrote: Palmar a bit too sure of himself in tone for my liking. Like he's got somebody lined up to be gifted a pair of shiny concrete boots, maybe a weak teammate under threat (which could be sandro). He's very conscious of the Trfel/Sandro dichotomy here but not as motivated to deliver much explanation of his own as he is to appear motivated to lynch into it. Good post. | ||
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On December 10 2023 21:49 Trfel wrote: So did you not think I was mafia? I think you could be, but I am less inclined to try and lynch you right now because: 1.) you are active and engaged in the thread, and 2.) transparent about your thought processes and reasoning | ||
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On December 10 2023 21:59 Trfel wrote: I see, that makes a little more sense. I was finding it suspicious that you seemed so sure of me being mafia (see here for example) and then call it a pressure and back off. Conveniently after people such as marvellosity and Vivax also show suspicion about sandroba's opening post and your push onto me didn't seem to get much support. It feels like you're giving up really easily, for being so certain, unless it was just a pressure, but it doesn't read like a pressure to me? Or maybe that's the point of the pressure. Regardless though, the timing feels rather convenient. Pretty much that, except it wasn't just pressure. I don't care about the timing or what it looks like, I would tunnel you regardless of what anyone else thinks if I thought it was the best way to solve the game, but it had run its course, and we were about to start going in circles. | ||
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On December 10 2023 22:02 DarthPunk wrote: Pretty much that, except it wasn't just pressure. I don't care about the timing or what it looks like, I would tunnel you regardless of what anyone else thinks if I thought it was the best way to solve the game, but it had run its course, and we were about to start going in circles. It still feels to me like you are kind of just forcing yourself to scum hunt instead of being naturally curious about people's alignment, but maybe that's just your style. | ||
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The first sentence and last paragraph yes. I was thinking along the same lines. I really respect Palmars play and wanted more than cocky one liners at around the same time that vivacious posted that. | ||
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Not really. I remember watching an analysis video he posted. That’s about it. | ||
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On December 10 2023 22:59 DarthPunk wrote: Not really. I remember watching an analysis video he posted. That’s about it. the reason I thought vivax’s post was good was because it had a thought process I could empathise with. (Mostly) | ||
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On December 10 2023 23:03 marvellosity wrote: Crash course. He’s smart and insightful (something I like about him), but a lot of the time in he thread he’s cocky and useless (something else I like about him) and he likes to get a rise out of me (something I don’t like but secretly do). What I’m saying is his posting so far is pretty normal. He doesn’t have to be town of course but it’s well within normal tolerance. I can’t really remember how I’m supposed to read him, other than whether I believe the agenda he’s pushing. Which is fine atm. Ok I’ll take that as face value. But do you think vivax should have know that about him? | ||
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Sandroba also looks good to me when he posts, so again, don't understand the scum reads on him. I'm going to make a catchup post now but will also be around ITT to interact. | ||
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On December 11 2023 05:45 Trfel wrote: But Chezinu, what color are you? This is banned. | ||
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Basically because in isolation his posts resonate with my own thinking in some way. I do think you had one of the best reasons to call him mafia though, which I hadn't read when I made that post. But I still don't think I would lynch him at this point. | ||
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On December 11 2023 05:59 raynpelikoneet wrote: Are you comfortable on his position that "Interesting position in that he suspects you.", Trfel? Why do you just leave it like that? He really walked back that vivax suspicion. | ||
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On December 11 2023 05:58 sandroba wrote: Something is off about the way he says "his first terrible post", seems needlessly antagonistic, a bit too assertive about maybe the contents of the post being terrible? Doesn't explain much about why such post was "terrible" or even if terrible means suspicious. The rest of his content just seems a bit of stirring the pot, but not in a way to actually talk about something suspicious, but instead to keep people nit-picking on each other in circles. Like I agree with the observations in this post, while I disagree with the conclusion. It makes me feel like he is reading the thread closely and thinking about what things mean, I think that is hard to fake as mafia. I also tend to think that with the pressure that Sandro has been under picking a fight with marv seems like a terrible play as mafia, so it feels genuine to me. | ||
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On December 11 2023 06:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: basically that's my concern above anything else do you think marv is mafia? I don't think marv is mafia. | ||
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On December 11 2023 06:10 raynpelikoneet wrote: it's not even like CAN marv be mafia, but like... marv is mafia here now in this game, one of the most mafia reads.. rly? I mean I understand that, but I also think I could see it from Sandro's perspective, I don't see how making this accusation actually does anything positive for Sandro's agenda if he is mafia. I also tend to think that townies will make really dumb reads a lot, but as long as I feel like I can understand the reasons for the read in some way, it's fine. With his marv read the observations are correct to me, I just think the conclusion is wrong because marv tends to be more of a jerk (in the nicest possible way) as town and more conciliatory as mafia. But I don't expect Sandro to have that information or arrive at that conclusion based on how long he has been away. | ||
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On December 11 2023 06:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: I mean like, you ask Vivax if he has any thoughts on DP. I messed up the whole quote chain, but this still makes no sense tbh. Hard agree, particularly as I am just re-reading that part of the thread. | ||
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On December 11 2023 06:30 Trfel wrote: Two things. First is that after you unvoted me you seemed content to have no strong suspicion or push or thread presence, though I may be underestimating the impact of it being nighttime in Australia. Second thing is that some of your reasoning really doesn't line up. For example, what raynpelikoneet mentioned, your reason to townread sandroba being that he was suspicious of marvellosity. He didn't engage marvellosity or push for his lynch, he's wanting to lynch Vivax, it's easy to say "this person is mafia" and not back it up or push it at all. Do you expect me to post in the middle of the night? I was away from the thread for 6 hours, does that change your read at all if that is the first reason to find me suspicious? Where did I say that I town read Sandro for being suspicious of marvellosity? | ||
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On December 11 2023 06:36 Trfel wrote: Here @DarthPunk ??? Is that a town read? | ||
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On December 11 2023 06:35 Trfel wrote: I think at this point I'd be okay with lynching Koshi (if he is going to play like this), and potentially okay with lynching DarthPunk. Sandroba's recent set of posts were more interesting to me, I didn't necessarily agree with everything he was saying but it helps me to put together his mindset/approach. Holyflare's point that he's focusing on defending himself from presumed incorrect accusations instead of actually finding mafia or being productive is strong, now that he's actually shared suspicions I look forward to him coming back tomorrow. Vivax I could definitely see being mafia but I don't think I want to lynch him as much as Koshi or DarthPunk at this point. Wait wtF?!? I am your second biggest lynch candidate because: 1.) I stopped posting for 6 hours in the middle of the night and 2.) for saying pretty much exactly what you are saying about sandroba's recent posts??? That doesn't make any fucking sense. Are you for real right now? ##vote: Trfel | ||
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On December 11 2023 00:04 Koshi wrote: Took me 3 minutes to skim the thread. Not gonna lie. It took me 2 mins for first 4 pages to decide marv is mafia. Then 1 more to pretend the other 2 pages. I cant do more or I might say something smart and not get lynched. ##Vote marv Again (like last game) I'm ok to just lynch koshi if he is allowed to play like this. On December 11 2023 01:14 raynpelikoneet wrote: Finally arrived home. Reading until here so i don't miss anything: This: Now at the time my position was sandroba doesn't look good (for reasons -- not exactly for his opener), Trfel looks nothing out of ordinary. However i am not the only player in the game, so i decided to see how Trfel deals with DP questioning him, without interfering at that point. I like this from rayn, it's smart. On December 11 2023 01:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: Idk, i would think Palmar would hide under "no play during weekends" esp since most of the players should know that, rather than post basically anything other than "it's weekend bye!" The stuff he said is also okay. It's not that i even think Vivax is mafia, probably opposite tbh, but his read on Palmar is based on wrong premises imo, if Palmar and sandroba would be both mafia, that would definitely not be something Palmar does in my opinion.Oh i also think DP and sandroba are not both mafia, now that i remember. And this. On December 11 2023 01:57 raynpelikoneet wrote: Trfel is basically a synonym to wishy-wasy when he is town. He makes very good points and then keeps doubting himself on them over and over again which makes other people questioning him which makes himself questioning himself even more. I don't think there is basically anything "wrong" (or scummy) with his play here. I don't really see the doubt you are describing, or the very good points TBH. On December 11 2023 02:18 raynpelikoneet wrote: Because it's not like he is asking Trfel if Trfel thinks he could share better view on that Slam's smiley thing, he is basically telling Trfel to have an opinion on it because it's alignment indicative, but he doesn't have one his own. If you get what i am saying This is the best argument made all thread for Sandro being mafia. On December 11 2023 03:20 Trfel wrote: Looking at it a third time I guess it's less than I thought. Mostly here, where Vivax jumped ahead to get the top quote from marvellosity. Otherwise, his catch-up is in chronological order and reasonably focused (if slightly uninspired imo). This strikes me as odd though, it makes it feel like he's already caught up with the thread while the surrounding posts (here and here suggest that he's posting as he's catching up. Not a huge thing, honestly his lack of thread presence at this point is probably more indicative. The Vivax I remember is a very strong player, and he just hasn't seemed invested so far. Side note, I feel similarly about DarthPunk though (lack of thread presence), since he dropped his push on me he seems content to not do too much. Time zones are a thing... Does anyone else feel like this post from Trfel is deflecting though? Like he stated On December 11 2023 03:04 Trfel wrote: The other thing was that Vivax's posts didn't seem to have any order, he pulled quotes from seemingly random points in the thread. I can't follow the thought process that leads him to bring up the things he did, and especially not in that order. Which is a fairly strong reason to have a read. But when questioned about it it's really weak and then he starts soft pushing me about 'thread presence'. It's like his read doesn't really make sense to himself after he had to explain it. On December 11 2023 03:29 Trfel wrote: Possibly, but the posts before and after are well before marvellosity's post. It just shows that most likely he was reading some more current posts while also catching up. That doesn't necessarily mean he's mafia, just strikes me as odd and I'm not quite sure what to make of it. Now that I reread it, I think it's not that helpful, and the point about his lack of involvement is much more meaningful. I don't like that he is playing down what was a strong reason for an accusation when he has to explain where it comes from and cannot. On December 11 2023 04:32 Holyflare wrote: voting koshi is a good first step though, we should all be doing it I think this is right. On December 11 2023 04:49 Trfel wrote: To be honest I think you are nitpicking a bit. Even if we say you are right and Holyflare isn't, I'm not sure what that demonstrates. It means he messed up in reading the thread maybe, I don't think it makes him mafia. I think that the overall picture of Holyflare's play is much more important. Holyflare, thoughts on DarthPunk? I get that it's night in Australia but he still feels a bit off to me. On December 11 2023 04:35 Trfel wrote: Vivax, curious if you have any thoughts on DarthPunk? This recruitment drive is sus. On December 11 2023 05:56 Trfel wrote: I don't know, I am not that confident in anyone. My best guesses would be you, DarthPunk, Koshi, and sandroba (not in any particular order). @Holyflare, I have not made a reads list. The above people are the ones I'm most interested in currently though. @Chezinu, what happened to the house of brown? I can't figure out his read on me, or where it comes from. it seems to originate from my lack of thread presence after I pressured him at the start of the game, but then he also acknowledged that I was asleep, but doesn't really let it go at that point. There is weirdness about his interactions with vivax too. like making a strong statement about his post being in the wrong order and then not really being able to substantiate it in a way that was a strong as he represented initially. To me there is a disconnect between his accusations and the thinking that he takes to get there. The stuff at the start of the game (setup speculation) looks really bad as well. I held off posting this for a bit because I wanted to give Trfel the chance to make sense of his suspcions ITT first. But it doesn't sit right with me at all. I also think his posting is too 'clean' for lack of a better word, it is careful, structured, boring. It doesn't seem like he is having fun. Take that with as many grains of salt as you like. also: On December 11 2023 06:40 DarthPunk wrote: Wait wtF?!? I am your second biggest lynch candidate because: 1.) I stopped posting for 6 hours in the middle of the night and 2.) for saying pretty much exactly what you are saying about sandroba's recent posts??? That doesn't make any fucking sense. Are you for real right now? ##vote: Trfel This. | ||
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On December 11 2023 06:41 Trfel wrote: I never said I thought Holyflare was town (or mafia for that matter), I just agreed with that one point. Can I not agree with something that someone said without knowing their alignment?If it's not a townread then what is it?? What exists in the space where you feel someone is genuine in their posts but you aren't solid on their alignment yet? Maybe something like On December 11 2023 06:35 Trfel wrote: I didn't necessarily agree with everything he was saying but it helps me to put together his mindset/approach. H Or here where I explained exactly what I thought, while not calling him town at any time, just giving the benefit of the doubt. On December 11 2023 06:21 DarthPunk wrote: I mean I understand that, but I also think I could see it from Sandro's perspective, I don't see how making this accusation actually does anything positive for Sandro's agenda if he is mafia. I also tend to think that townies will make really dumb reads a lot, but as long as I feel like I can understand the reasons for the read in some way, it's fine. With his marv read the observations are correct to me, I just think the conclusion is wrong because marv tends to be more of a jerk (in the nicest possible way) as town and more conciliatory as mafia. But I don't expect Sandro to have that information or arrive at that conclusion based on how long he has been away. | ||
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On December 11 2023 06:41 Trfel wrote: I never said I thought Holyflare was town (or mafia for that matter), I just agreed with that one point. Can I not agree with something that someone said without knowing their alignment?If it's not a townread then what is it?? So explain to me Trfel, why us agreeing on sandro's recent posts is one of the top 2 reasons you think I am mafia. | ||
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On December 11 2023 06:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: DP did you ever look into what i saidon HF? Im looking at it now, I was distracted by the stupid shit trfel was doing. | ||
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On December 11 2023 06:50 Trfel wrote: It's literally not my reason, are you reading my posts at all? On December 11 2023 06:30 Trfel wrote: Second thing is that some of your reasoning really doesn't line up. For example, what raynpelikoneet mentioned, your reason to townread sandroba being that he was suspicious of marvellosity. He didn't engage marvellosity or push for his lynch, he's wanting to lynch Vivax, it's easy to say "this person is mafia" and not back it up or push it at all. Ok then what do you mean by this? | ||
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On December 11 2023 06:53 Trfel wrote: Here, I'll quote it again. Quoting it again doesn't magically make it worthwhile. 1.)I didn't call sandro town. If I think someone is town I will say they are town. 2.) You said basically the same thing about sandro as me regarding his posting revealing his mindset. 3.) I left the thread in the middle of the night. Therefore I am mafia. | ||
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On December 11 2023 06:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: DP did you ever look into what i saidon HF? Is it the stuff about not reading the post? If that is what you mean, then I can't really state with confidence that it makes him mafia, because It was pretty obvious to me that he was skimming the thread. I need to read his filter to really get a grasp on him, the last time I played with him he death tunneled me every game regardless of alignment so this is new. I will take a look though. | ||
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On December 11 2023 07:01 Trfel wrote: 1 - Okay, I'll leave this post:to stand for itself. If people choose to believe that you don't think sandroba is town and yet you made these posts, then whatever. 2 - So? I don't care. That's not why you are mafia. You can agree with me on something and still be mafia. 3 - We discussed this. Please stop being intentionally obtuse. I don't care if you think I am mafia, but the constant badgering with questions, ignoring the answers, and then misrepresenting me is getting really annoying really quick. Gotta head out for a bit, going to clear my head. Yeesh. Why does me making those posts about Sandro make me mafia when you also feel better about Sandro based on ostensibly the same posts? | ||
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On December 11 2023 07:01 Trfel wrote: 1 - Okay, I'll leave this post:to stand for itself. If people choose to believe that you don't think sandroba is town and yet you made these posts, then whatever. 2 - So? I don't care. That's not why you are mafia. You can agree with me on something and still be mafia. 3 - We discussed this. Please stop being intentionally obtuse. I don't care if you think I am mafia, but the constant badgering with questions, ignoring the answers, and then misrepresenting me is getting really annoying really quick. Gotta head out for a bit, going to clear my head. Yeesh. Why are you talking to me like I am town? | ||
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On December 11 2023 07:07 raynpelikoneet wrote: I think you're calling Trfel mafia, not the other way around here? It's not like you're being tunneled by Trfel DP, is it? Now i don't know why you think Trfel is mafia, where did he lie, or did any of those dubious things that might make them mafia? Bullet points please. Also look at what HF did: - rayn is scum because palmar - rayn posts - palmar didnt post when hf voted Trefel has me in his top two lynch candidates, why would he do that and then talk to me like I'm town. - Trefel formed a "scum" (without actually calling me scum) read on me based on 'lack of thread presence' - Trefel then acknowledged that it was the middle of the night and that may explain the lack of thread presence -Trefel then proceeds to try and get several others to post their thoughts on me -Trefel then says I am suspicious based on lack of thread presence (which should be discounted based on timezones) and the fact I called sandroba town. -Trefel then says Sandroba looks better based on exactly the reasoning I gave for not finding Sandroba suspicious. Basically his justifications for his top 2 lynch candidate read on me is farcical. Regarding Holyflare: Did he actually try and justify that vote on you from the start of the game? Cause that does look bad. | ||
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On December 11 2023 07:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am a bit drunk maybe, i dont think trfel is mafia, DP might be but maybe not because he is all fucking in on this, and i dont understand any of this shit... I only know for like 90% that he is wrong because Trfel is not mafia. Maybe 10% but no. It would be really funny if Trfel is mafia though, cause that would be twice in a row :D | ||
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On December 11 2023 06:35 Trfel wrote: I think at this point I'd be okay with lynching Koshi (if he is going to play like this), and potentially okay with lynching DarthPunk. Sandroba's recent set of posts were more interesting to me, I didn't necessarily agree with everything he was saying but it helps me to put together his mindset/approach. Holyflare's point that he's focusing on defending himself from presumed incorrect accusations instead of actually finding mafia or being productive is strong, now that he's actually shared suspicions I look forward to him coming back tomorrow. Vivax I could definitely see being mafia but I don't think I want to lynch him as much as Koshi or DarthPunk at this point. | ||
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On December 11 2023 07:07 DarthPunk wrote: Why are you talking to me like I am town? | ||
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On December 11 2023 07:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: Am i mafia with sandroba because i scumread him and i talked to him like he is town, just because i dont have encounters with him, and i also wanted to be nice because of it? No, but that’s not the only reason I think Trfel is mafia. But let’s do this another way. Why is trfel 90% town? | ||
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On December 11 2023 07:36 Holyflare wrote: This isn't even correct lol. DP/trfel plz just sum up your points on each other into a couple of bullet points and then move on to anyone else please. Just arguing amongst yourselves at this point and I can't piece together any of it. I already did this multiple times | ||
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On December 11 2023 07:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: fuck, why cant they get it? someone help? I really tried to see it but I don't get it either. | ||
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On December 11 2023 07:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: fuck, why cant they get it? someone help? OK I get it. I'm not sure it makes him mafia though. | ||
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On December 11 2023 07:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: yeah but you know he was asking, and if i dont answer it's all DP going full shit on rayn for some shit like you didnt give a shit about koshi when you hsould have, i dont have time for that. thanks I laughed but also felt guilty. My bad | ||
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I can see why he wants to do this. I think we should lynch him for it TBH. Doesn't hurt that its closer to his scum meta than his town meta based on an incredibly large sample size of 3 games or something. | ||
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On December 11 2023 07:52 marvellosity wrote: Why didn’t I mention what? I can’t say I’m enjoying this exchange, I’m just getting confused :p Careful marv. | ||
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I'd really like to lynch trfel, but I can see that is not gonna happen today, so I will just take solace in saying 'i told you so' at the end of the game. I think Slam is 100% town. I think rayn is town I thought marv was town until recently but I think slam picked up some good stuff, so maybe not so much anymore. the rest is a quagmire. Not sure about Koshi, I think I see glimpses of smart town koshi in the mess somewhere. | ||
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On December 11 2023 08:05 Holyflare wrote: My thinking is we should just vote koshi and force him to actually do things instead of pretending to do things and waiting 24 hours. I agree with that. ##Vote: Koshi | ||
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On December 11 2023 08:08 marvellosity wrote: Don’t understand how you can possibly think it shifts the needle on my alignment, DP I'll tell you after the game if you want. Or if I try to lynch you, but we aren't in that territory atm. | ||
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On December 11 2023 08:11 DarthPunk wrote: I'll tell you after the game if you want. Or if I try to lynch you, but we aren't in that territory atm. To be clear, you are in my top 3 town list, so it's not that bad, there was just enough in it to move you back out of the 99% club. Can you tell me what you think of HF and Palmar right now? | ||
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On December 11 2023 08:24 Alakaslam wrote: Leaning toward a hard yes but can't give a hard yes yet. He is no fool, but he can fool... Any other reads?> | ||
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Why do I have strong maf reads and then no one can follow along, I think I need to improve how I push suspicion in the thread. Happened with Copcake too. | ||
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On December 11 2023 08:41 Alakaslam wrote: Largely due to Marv. I think the problem is you don't vote your read and promote that with conviction. You vote after others suggest it. That is low key scummy but not damning (many players do this) so it doesn't get you SR outright but it also makes your efforts to convince others kinda feckless. That or I missed your earlier vote with conviction. Maybe you did that with Trfel but in that case, it would be due to "wrong target" as too many town read him at the time/weren't in the mood to throw down votes yet. I'm talking about trfel, he is my only strong scum read right now. Koshi is closer to voting against the meta abuse. | ||
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On December 11 2023 03:20 Trfel wrote: Side note, I feel similarly about DarthPunk though (lack of thread presence), since he dropped his push on me he seems content to not do too much. On December 11 2023 04:49 Trfel wrote: Holyflare, thoughts on DarthPunk? I get that it's night in Australia but he still feels a bit off to me. On December 11 2023 06:30 Trfel wrote: Two things. First is that after you unvoted me you seemed content to have no strong suspicion or push or thread presence, though I may be underestimating the impact of it being nighttime in Australia. Second thing is that some of your reasoning really doesn't line up. For example, what raynpelikoneet mentioned, your reason to townread sandroba being that he was suspicious of marvellosity. He didn't engage marvellosity or push for his lynch, he's wanting to lynch Vivax, it's easy to say "this person is mafia" and not back it up or push it at all. | ||
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On December 11 2023 08:49 marvellosity wrote: I think you may be misunderstanding 3rd post? What do you think Trfel is saying there? The problem is two posts later he says On December 11 2023 06:35 Trfel wrote: Sandroba's recent set of posts were more interesting to me, I didn't necessarily agree with everything he was saying but it helps me to put together his mindset/approach. When I had said the following prior to him explaining the sandro stuff as a primary read on me. (it's essentially the same sentiment) On December 11 2023 06:21 DarthPunk wrote: I mean I understand that, but I also think I could see it from Sandro's perspective, I don't see how making this accusation actually does anything positive for Sandro's agenda if he is mafia. I also tend to think that townies will make really dumb reads a lot, but as long as I feel like I can understand the reasons for the read in some way, it's fine. With his marv read the observations are correct to me, I just think the conclusion is wrong because marv tends to be more of a jerk (in the nicest possible way) as town and more conciliatory as mafia. But I don't expect Sandro to have that information or arrive at that conclusion based on how long he has been away. | ||
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On December 11 2023 01:23 die_meatbaby wrote: Hello nice do play again. Didn't post anything and there are already votes. I will catch up in a few hours as soon as my shift is finished | ||
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On December 10 2023 21:27 Trfel wrote: You said that being aggressive early is good, right? I assume good meaning town-indicative, as opposed to mafia-indicative. So why then is someone being strongly committed a mafia trait? Does that mean that if someone is aggressive early but not committed then that indicates town? That doesn't make much sense to me, why would someone be aggressive without commitment, in fact how is that even possible? I forgot to respond to this. Essentially, when you are playing with people who are new, aggressiveness signals confidence in prosecuting a scum hunting agenda, townies are less refined in what they are looking for, and will see something that is potentially scummy and attack. This is why on a surface level *level 1* early aggression is a town trait, and I think this holds true for newer players. What I think is that as people develop in skill and understanding, aggression becomes a *tool* that is wielded, either by town to determine alignments or by mafia to hide in plain sight and push mis lynches in a way that is *too obvious to be scum* The general differentiator in my opinion, is that town aggression tends to be built on curiosity and inquisitiveness, and mafia aggression tends to be built on decisions that have already been made. Therefore, when I said you were too committed early, I was saying that you were aggressive in a way that seemed like you were prosecuting an agenda to find Sandro scummy, rather than curious about the reasoning behind his post. Essentially, town want to find truth without agenda. Scum wants to advance their agenda without in spite of truth. The reason I find you scummy is that you are aggressive without curiosity. And what follows are pushes without foundation. | ||
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On December 11 2023 09:18 Vivax wrote: Rayn has made a few observations I could see coming from town. I don't want to read DP either way yet. Or at least I don't think I can. Discussing HFs alignment on D1 is pointless you either lynch him because he's HF or you don't, but not because he's town. Palmar + Slam lists looked reasonable to me, mostly. + Show Spoiler + On December 11 2023 02:10 Palmar wrote: Quick list post: Slam Palmar Marv Rayn Trfel DP Sandroba Haven't thought about Vivax, and Koshi, die_meatbaby (I need a shorthand for that...) HF and Chez haven't really said anything. It is a little suspicious that Chez hasn't tried to form a multinational corporation hellbent on world takeover though. On December 11 2023 08:31 Alakaslam wrote: Yes. Koshi town. You (DP) town. Rayn town. Palmar town. Holyflare possible scum but 1. I have a fear negative bias out of respect for his scum play and 2. He has been culling that in me, but 3. 1 makes this wifom. Trfel possible scum. The rest are unclear enough for me to not provide reads. When reading Sandro, I don't see it explained why he assumes that I'm his worst voter. DMB? Trfel? Marv? | ||
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On December 11 2023 09:30 Alakaslam wrote: And I remember how early this was. ##Vote: Trfel Let's fucking go! ##Vote: Trfel | ||
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On December 11 2023 09:46 Vivax wrote: Idk what you meant here and with the perceptive thing. Koshi spent 99% of his effort so far in trying to explain that Trfel is not mafia. He meant time stamps of posts on pages 4 and 5 | ||
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On December 11 2023 09:50 DarthPunk wrote: He meant time stamps of posts on pages 4 and 5 That is important imo | ||
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On December 11 2023 10:02 die_meatbaby wrote: *(I don´t want do hurt fellings with what I ever think or right about somebody here) We are all grown ups, and I was toxic as fuck back in the day. I think I can comfortably say for all of us, that we would rather have you post freely than worry about upsetting anyone. especially when you only have 3 posts or something | ||
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On December 11 2023 10:05 Alakaslam wrote: Palmar has earned the confidence. He is hiding something and I'm hiding it with him. I'm outing it. Filter Grackaroni. Did you get his permission to do this? | ||
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On December 11 2023 10:10 Alakaslam wrote: Wait would I need host permission? I meant palmar's | ||
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On December 11 2023 10:10 die_meatbaby wrote: sorry getting active now. The thing is i don´t like how Koshi is just like 100% sure that Trfel is Town and just almost every post from him is like trying to save him. But also if Koshi is mafia he wouldn´t be that activ. Koshi can be fallible (as can I) | ||
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On December 11 2023 10:11 Alakaslam wrote: Ok then no but effectively yes Well if you are saying what I think you are saying, that helps. Thanks. | ||
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On December 11 2023 10:16 Alakaslam wrote: Hijole don't ruin health don't ruin career augh augh! All good, I can rush to meet a deadline | ||
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On December 11 2023 10:30 Palmar wrote: Jesus it’s so bad. Pointless commentary, terrible questions. Lots of nothing and very boring to boot. I didn’t laugh once. We found our first mafia boys. Get in while it’s still cool You are not wrong, but I think it's not outside of the scope of his town play. | ||
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Vivax is in that group for sure. I just read the start of his town game from Endures 1. It's a lot better. Also Rayn hasn;t called Vivax town yet, so you know things are looking bad at that point. I still really like a trfel lynch but I am happy to move my vote around a bit, ##Vote: Vivax | ||
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On December 11 2023 10:41 Vivax wrote: Where? In thread or in discord? Really weird thing to say. No it's not. | ||
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On December 11 2023 10:39 die_meatbaby wrote: You frequently exhibit an air of superiority. It's old meta, we all used to do it. | ||
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On December 11 2023 10:44 Vivax wrote: I'm not sure that Palmar's is a genuine effort to read me over some egotistical push. I think you are failing your own town litmus test. Where you are usually more engaged as town. | ||
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On December 11 2023 10:54 Vivax wrote: Should have done enough to display my current thoughts. I'm hoping for wagons and vote accordingly. You haven't though. | ||
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On December 11 2023 10:54 die_meatbaby wrote: Why is Palmar so confident about his opinion on who is scum. It´s D1 and this dude things he can just read everybody and knows thats scum. Is he like god of this game or why i nobody suspect about his conidence here? There are reasons to think he is town IMO. | ||
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Cause that is exactly what he did in his last scum game. | ||
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On December 11 2023 13:35 sandroba wrote: I don't see anything wrong with Koshi, I like all of his reads Half of them were not sincere IMO | ||
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On December 11 2023 14:11 sandroba wrote: Agreed good post, but I think this applies much more to marv's posts about me. What do you think DP? I just read his filter and don’t think much of it tbh. I Think Palmar is right he either catches mafia or hangs. Can you explain why you think trfel is town? Because to me I can kind of see it. But also I don’t think it stands up to any kind of scrutiny | ||
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On December 11 2023 14:53 sandroba wrote: His thought process, although I'm not in agreeance with it, kinda feels natural to me. He is pretty much going against the people who have found him suspicious, or who are going against what he believes is the narrative that makes sense. He moves on eventually to other people, it does look like he is trying to figure out the game. His post here on Vivax is pretty spot on and also my issue with Vivax: Correctly points out that Vivax is not following the thread, missing some key points and explanations and just assembling together some quotes to justify a vote. He then fails to see how this is mafia indicative, but just the fact that he called this out gives him lots of townie points. It is indeed mafia behavior because of how Vivax is trying to blend in with thread sentiment, appearing to be putting in effort, but struggling to justify something he knows is not true. | ||
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On December 11 2023 16:45 Palmar wrote: Koshi’s filter is great btw. Got time for a list post great one? | ||
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That's a terrible answer. Even worse is that you were obv lurking the thread and you weren't doing anything. You are smart enough to know how bad your filter looks right now, I'm worried because you don't seem to be doing town Marv things. In fact, the opposite. Please make everything ok so I don't have to try and lynch you again. | ||
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The last two games Marv has rolled scum. I played in those games with him for days and days. In those games I gave Marv the benefit of the doubt, I waited patiently for him to find scum or to pursue a scum hunting agenda. I saw flagging activity levels and a lack of serious engagement with the game and the thread. Instead of sharp and opinionated I saw a feigned confusion and disconnection with the thread. I really hope I am wrong but I am seeing the same things in this game. The crux of the matter is that Marv is really not engaged with the thread, it happened a few times and it bothered me starting with: On December 10 2023 20:21 marvellosity wrote: Yes, he is, but I don’t understand why you’d legitimise the attack on what, I would assume, would be your legit read on sandro’s post. Now I don’t like any of you :/ I actually thought this was a promising start from Marv, he didn't like either of us, we were going at each other and there was stuff happening. On December 11 2023 01:35 marvellosity wrote: Also maybe, but I’m more interested in what happened so far than I usually am from the first few pages of a game But he just kind of said things, ostensibly interested but actually not commenting at all On December 10 2023 23:12 marvellosity wrote: I’m on the fence. It’s made me interested though On December 11 2023 01:35 marvellosity wrote: Also maybe, but I’m more interested in what happened so far than I usually am from the first few pages of a game See I have this problem, Marv is -sharp- he knows what is happening when he is engaged with the game, which he says he is, even more so than usual. On December 11 2023 06:49 marvellosity wrote: I admit I can’t make much of any of it… This is something I noticed the past few mafia games, marv really likes to play dumb, unsure or confused. He can do that and comment on the things that are passing by without ever adding anything, Case in point: On December 11 2023 06:49 marvellosity wrote: I admit I can’t make much of any of it… Rayn asks for an opinion on holyflare. Marv is.... Non-commital. On December 11 2023 07:34 marvellosity wrote: Not sure I agree, I can follow his thoughts Two unrelated posts later. Marv thinks holyflare is town, or at least not mafia because he can follow his thoughts. Why does Marv not say that in the first place? Why does he say nothing at all when it is clear he in fact has something to say? I went and checked in the thread between those posts, holyflare had not posted anything. and then its back again to nothing at all. Having happily quelled any progress in rayns read. On December 11 2023 07:43 marvellosity wrote: Keep what going? I haven’t addressed DP/Trfel at all? More do you remember where marv said On December 10 2023 20:21 marvellosity wrote: Now I don’t like any of you :/ Meaning myself and Trfel On December 11 2023 01:35 marvellosity wrote: Also maybe, but I’m more interested in what happened so far than I usually am from the first few pages of a game and this about how engaged he was? On December 11 2023 07:43 marvellosity wrote: Keep what going? I haven’t addressed DP/Trfel at all? Isn't that weird to any of you, usually marv would be the thread police, telling me I am dumb or scummy or calling us both town, but he just didn't get involved at all, does that seem like something town marv would do when he doesn;t like either of the players and was -particularly- engaged? On December 11 2023 07:48 marvellosity wrote: Still don’t understand, but I was catching up a bunch of pages and it was a lot of DP Trfel. Which I’ve still not talked about. So I still don’t know what’s going on tbh It's a big red flag when marv keeps not knowing what is going on by the way, because. 1.) it speaks to his lack of engagement which is a big tell for him and 2.) he does it as mafia to avoid committing to unwelcome positions. On December 11 2023 07:52 marvellosity wrote: Why didn’t I mention what? I can’t say I’m enjoying this exchange, I’m just getting confused :p Again, can't overstate how much this bothers me, understating his comprehension when, as town, marv usually is explaining and interpreting things for others On December 11 2023 17:37 marvellosity wrote: Will happily murder Vivax with a pole. Although it seems a lot easier than sandro. Let’s see as the day rolls on. Marv just jumped on the Vivax lynch btw. On December 11 2023 07:38 marvellosity wrote: Well. I think he is mafia still. Of course he dropped some posts that made sense and sounded smart. Because he is smart. ##vote sandroba Despite, kind of randomly hopping on Sandro when rayn mentions the lack of a wagon. Then not mentioning him or trying to convince anyone to lynch him for 12 hours. Engagement low. On December 11 2023 18:00 marvellosity wrote: Oops. Post was still showing as written but not sent so I pressed post again. Also fair warning, I have a chess match this evening so activity will be super patchy IRL excuses. Another classic Marv red flag. Now I don't doubt that marv is actually playing chess, but what I have noticed and believe to be true, is that marv will make excuses for his activity as mafia more than town, and I think it is because he has self awareness and inherent guilt about his engagement tells as mafia, as town, he is more engaged, and he isn't thinking of it, so he just doesn't inform us when and if he will be posting. This basically was the nail in the coffin for me regarding marv's alignment at this point. I even begged him to start fucking trying so I would not have to do this. On December 11 2023 18:43 marvellosity wrote: Actually I just happened to press refresh after my meeting, but okay. Yawn to the rest, there is nothing wrong with my filter. But he doesn't care. and there is a lot wrong with his filter. Taking Q+A in the thread for the next couple hours, but I am pretty sure this is the right lynch today, and I don't think we need to keep giving him time, when his alignment is clear to read through his filter. | ||
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On December 11 2023 20:16 marvellosity wrote: Skimmed the whole thing. Only thing I want to say is re: Vivax. The 6th post of my filter (p1 somewhere anyway) is asking Trfel about Vivax, and not far down the 2nd page I am calling Vivax out. This was yesterday. Let’s not pretend I am suddenly randomly thinking Vivax is mafia out of nowhere, eh? Except you are because you wanted to lynch Sandro, then did nothing to progress that, and then jumped on the band wagon. This is distinct from for example, endures 1 where you were town, and you kept reminding and brining people back to your lynch of choice: MZ. | ||
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On December 11 2023 20:27 Holyflare wrote: Agree with your case probably meaning something DP with the caveat that idk how new marv plays anymore because we're all old and have little involvement with the game to the same extent as we used to so not sure how old meta really applies here. Have you seen new marv be town? Yeah, I have played 3 1/2 games here since I came back, marv was town in 1 and a half of those, (one game was aborted after the scum team was leaked) we went to almost the endgame together each time. It's a small sample size in a way, but its also a lot of time playing together. I am not using old meta that much, more what I noticed during the past few games and his lack of engagement, direction and proactivity as mafia. | ||
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On December 11 2023 20:26 marvellosity wrote: Actually much more similar to day 2 where I was happy with a VE Lynch and just hopped on that bandwagon. Sometimes it’s just a normal thing to do. It's a death by a thousand cuts though sadly, there is just no real example of you doing really much of anything, and lots of examples of you actively not doing something. I think it's hard for you, because as town you have a presence that you may not even be aware of, but others are and it's probably really hard to fake. | ||
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This is a snapshot. a pretty egregious case of incongruence: Rayn asks for an opinion on holyflare. Marv is.... Non-commital. On December 11 2023 04:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: I am gonna take a little break. My feet have been cold for like 3 days because of shitty socks, and i just want to go to sauna now that i can. Will be back in an hour. If anyone would like to have an opinion on Holyflare, and especially on what i said on him, i would appreciate. On December 11 2023 06:49 marvellosity wrote: I admit I can’t make much of any of it… Two unrelated posts later. On December 11 2023 07:34 marvellosity wrote: Not sure I agree, I can follow his thoughts Marv thinks holyflare is town, or at least not mafia because he can follow his thoughts. Why does Marv not say that in the first place? Why does he say nothing at all when it is clear he in fact has something to say? between those posts, holyflare had not posted a thing. | ||
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On December 11 2023 20:13 marvellosity wrote: I’m looking forward to this! Match with this: On December 11 2023 20:16 marvellosity wrote: Skimmed the whole thing. Only thing I want to say is re: Vivax. The 6th post of my filter (p1 somewhere anyway) is asking Trfel about Vivax, and not far down the 2nd page I am calling Vivax out. This was yesterday. Let’s not pretend I am suddenly randomly thinking Vivax is mafia out of nowhere, eh? Not really. | ||
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On December 11 2023 20:23 marvellosity wrote: Same difference. I don’t happen to have more chess matches as mafia. I will mention something that takes me away from the game at end of day cycle 100% of the time as either. It's actually really different. On one hand I am lying in order to make you look bad, the other I am making an observation of your, perhaps unknown, tendencies. | ||
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On December 11 2023 21:09 marvellosity wrote: what it means, DP, is that I could not make much of the shit rayn was throwing at HF. Following up with leaning town on Hf is entirely consistent with this The truth is rayn asked for reads on holyflare, he was trying to invite you into a dialogue and you failed to mention that you were leaning town on him for some reason, until two posts later you did. You know what I did? I went back and tried to figure out wtf rayn was going on about, I read his filter, and I realized the point he was trying to make. You are not engaged with the game, that is the primary point. | ||
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On December 11 2023 21:20 Holyflare wrote: Slam Palmar Koshi DarthPunk die_meatbaby Trfel Raynpelikoneet All of the above have some kind of reasonable series of posts that give them plausible deniability from being mafia, or at least that I think have posted things that I can see as even townie. Some of them even at multiple points (slam, DP etc). It leaves me with: marvellosity Vivax Chezinu Sandroba Sure, there's the chance that you're the town in this 4, and it's actually quite a high possibility(!) but I haven't seen the things comparatively that the other players above have given to cross you off the list. Which is crazy considering koshi and slam are in it. Vivax's posts are boring, he also has no proper engagement. Sandro similarly, more concerned with trying to look ok than solve the game. Chezinu is whatever, religious nonsense. Good post. | ||
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On December 11 2023 21:38 Holyflare wrote: I don't think this is as strong a point as you're making it out to be btw. He says he can't make much of Rayn's points about me and then denies rayn calling me mafia by saying he can follow my thought process (something you say you use to see if someone is townie too). Context is important here. OK I can see how that works. | ||
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On December 11 2023 22:00 Vivax wrote: It's hard to explain but town DP usually glows intensely and is very conscious about steering the thread to where he wants to (which usually isn't a bad direction), here he's more of a bystander who croaks at everything, tone-wise. The way he treated me I find his vote not being on me scummy and out of character. Holyflare always plays pro-scum no matter the alignment so him hopping onto my wagon with Trfel is NAI at best. Just got up to rant and give a few unripe thoughts. But having a wagon on myself is helpful in that I know it has to be at least partially mafia driven. What exactly is scummy about my vote not being on you, considering: A.) it was B.) the massive push i made on marv and C.) what do you mean by the way I treated you? | ||
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On December 11 2023 22:03 marvellosity wrote: By the way Palmar, or anyone who cares to read. The reason for my responses to DP being low energy is that basically every game we played this year DP has made a mega case on me pointing out inconsistencies and incongruities (that aren’t true) and twisting my entire filter into a scummy narrative. The thing is, if he does this to me every time we play, sometimes I’m town, sometimes I’m mafia, but DP is only right sometimes because I am sometimes mafia. A broken clock is right twice a day. It is tiring hearing the same case over and over, as nothing in it ever makes me mafia, he has no idea how to read me, he just makes the same case every game. It’s tedious that that becomes the focal point of my attention, rather than happily bumbling along with my suspicions on sandro and Vivax. This is not really true. Last game you were mafia, I didn't really make a case on you. (I turned on TTT remember) and then you resigned. The game before you were mafia and it was more about inconsistent reads (or reads for no reason) than really activity or engagement. I also avoided making a case on you, and didn't do so until late that game because I was cautions having mis-lynched you the previous game. The game before that you were town and I did mislynch you. :Shrug: Yea I was wrong. I don't think it's really a fair representation of what happened, although you could certainly feel that way, I do think in your two mafia games I was pocketed by you for a large portion of the game. Anyway. That is my 2 cents about that. If I am wrong this time, I will probably just dump you back in the two hard basket for a while and give you some peace. | ||
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On December 11 2023 22:04 marvellosity wrote: I already explained this. Thanks for ignoring that and responding to Hf though. Sometimes it takes two :D | ||
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On December 11 2023 22:06 Vivax wrote: When Palmar initiated the wagon yesterday you were keen on burying me even when I was adressing DMB for example (you defended her post instead). It's something you do on a level of confidence that doesn't match you just casually switching to marv. Even a look at the votecount made me sus of you. I don't think I 'casually' switched to marv, the marv stuff was bothering me for a while. I also think you are mafia FWIW. Particularly after this dramatic entrance. | ||
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On December 11 2023 22:16 Vivax wrote: It's not me you have to tell that to. It's a shit wagon on the wrong player This is where you can already start judging who jumps on it. Palmar is probably town in this case. It's the bottom feeders latching to it that are more interesting. You are saying that your wagon is shit and on the wrong player? Who do you think is the right player then? | ||
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Ill check in prior to deadline as always. | ||
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So based on a simple straightforward worldview, without crazy conspiracy theories shall we talk about the game for a bit? | ||
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Marv has done better since my case, and it doesn't have any traction regardless. But please don't let marv be lazy later on. | ||
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On December 12 2023 06:47 marvellosity wrote: Was hoping to come home to more than 5 posts tbh, bit dull. I like this marv. What do you think of Vivax at this juncture, there are things that he has said that made me think he claimed scum, and also things that stand out to me as kind of aligning with the resentment of being town on an inevitable march towards oblivion. Also if you removed your expectations of Sandro, does that change your read on him at all. | ||
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On December 12 2023 06:50 Palmar wrote: It was a good case, almost as good as my oneliner. No need to feel discouraged. I'm not, I didn't think it was good enough to actually get him lynched day one | ||
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On December 12 2023 06:46 marvellosity wrote: Agree, less… something than previous games. Dunno what. I mean in the other games he actually posted reads day one. I have found him to be generally readable and contributory in every game. This game he hasn't done anything, I couldn't tell you one position he holds. | ||
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You need some affirmation? just seemed more engaged, and said some smart things. That's all I really want from you at this point. Just to be clear, I am not calling you town | ||
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On December 12 2023 06:56 marvellosity wrote: I think of Vivax almost exactly what you just said. Tbh I don’t think it’s 100% but I don’t think the lynch is changing at this point. I know I said I’d consolidate, but tbh I won’t, if there are shenannies anywhere I wouldn’t mind them on sandro. Of course that also leaves shenannies open on me, but that’s a fun dice roll. I don’t know how to remove my expectations of sandro. I go back to his first post, and he waffles hilariously on Slam, and it’s all just so bland. All his posts since have been mostly fine, he’s an astute person so he can make decent sounding posts. I don’t see any drive to solve the game, I really don’t know what he was doing with Trfel, I don’t understand his read progression on him generally. I dunno, feels like he’s ‘analysing’ things but without any endpoint. Which (my expectations or not) I don’t think is very townie. I had zero expectations of Sandro or Trfel (can't really remember playing with them) I think sandro doesn't look great, but he has also been on the back foot since his first post in the game. I also don't think he has done anything that clearly makes him mafia. I think it might be valuable to give him some space and let him kind of feel his way back into things. You know my theory on shenanigans, they are good for the soul. But if vivax leaves things as they are I am fine with him dying. If he started trying to make sense I would perhaps entertain something. | ||
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On December 12 2023 02:57 sandroba wrote: Or maybe I just suck while thinking I'm onto something and expecting you feel the same but actually you are just right and good while I'm bad? A harder pill to swallow but I guess could be true Like I kind of felt this was genuine. | ||
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On December 12 2023 07:08 marvellosity wrote: And tbh, it’s not like I’ve been hounding him so all he’s had to do is defend himself. Quite the opposite, he moaned I wasn’t engaging with him. He’s had his space Sure from you, but I think he was copping flak from a lot of the thread. Also the moaning kind of struck me like he was disappointed that you were not reading him correctly. Emotional congruence and all that. | ||
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On December 12 2023 07:12 marvellosity wrote: I mean you could absolutely be right DP, I just don’t think you are. You often don't. So i'm not fussed | ||
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On December 12 2023 07:14 sandroba wrote: @marv waffling on slam is the whole reason you think I'm suspicious? At that point in the thread, we only had very few posts and I did the best with what I had to get some alignment discussion going, while trying to be transparent with my thought process. Even after this whole day I would probably waffle on Slam if I'm being honest as I find him and chezinu pretty much wild cards. Just seems like a low-effort crutch what you are doing to justify your position on me. Can you post a list post so I can kind of feel out where you sit on everyone. | ||
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On December 12 2023 07:23 Vivax wrote: But I get it the mafia is so baby seal like that you have to lynch town terminator for this to be a fair game. The rabble is afraid of having their spotlight stolen. LoL. | ||
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On December 12 2023 07:32 Vivax wrote: When I habe a feeling that the outcome is linked to my analysis I might put in effort but don‘t try to den. that this is a meme wagon with the purpose of bullying. I am sorry if you are town and really feel that way. | ||
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On December 12 2023 10:31 die_meatbaby wrote: i really don´t know who else should get voted here, because nobody looks so scum as he do atm. On December 12 2023 10:32 Chezinu wrote: Hey guys, just got back from the Citadel. | ||
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On December 12 2023 10:50 Vivax wrote: Trfel sounds to 70% maybe like Iawy from MU btw Keep going with your reads, I am paying attention. | ||
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On December 12 2023 10:57 die_meatbaby wrote: okey i love a chez lynch before he starts to meme up the thread and confuse me or creep me out with his strange post, but why is he scumy for you he was not posting much here. How can we read him? I can not soul read him as i do often in here espescially with players I already played. Feeling like gambling to vote on him and even if he flips red I can not see who would be with him. I am still sure he is not human. He is AI player which Grack is puting in the game for his on satisfaction to see us or def. me struggling to not. But I am open for an Chez lynch just not looking so scumy as V He usually contributes in his own way, stories, observations, etc. this game has been nothing, he is not engaged in the same way. Usually I like to keep him around cause he is productive enough, last game I even tried to stop him getting lynched day 1. There is no reason to think Chez is town, and usually there is. | ||
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Unless the reason I think that becomes unsubstantiated. | ||
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I think this is really a result of this forums unhealthy obsession with meta. Not really alignment indicative. Do you still think sandro is scum? | ||
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On December 12 2023 11:39 die_meatbaby wrote: Fuck i don´t have a good feeling on lynch V right now. This looks so Townie just trying to not get killed. Fells like impulsive posts from emotions to keep playing. Yeah no shit. | ||
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Vote: Sandroba | ||
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Sandro lynch?? | ||
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On December 12 2023 11:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: Sorry i am really busy with work today and was yesterday. Quick, vote sandro. | ||
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On December 12 2023 11:47 Alakaslam wrote: Euros are asleep, can we actually move this? Yep | ||
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On December 12 2023 11:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: What's going on? We probably about to mislynch Vivax. | ||
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or someone to be sleep walking. | ||
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On December 12 2023 11:53 die_meatbaby wrote: ##unvote ##vote sandroba Remember to put it into the vote thread. | ||
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On December 12 2023 11:59 die_meatbaby wrote: You can not fake that as mafia. I was reading all mafia games from him. Never ever what he risk to call the people scum who could save his lnych Exactly. | ||
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On December 12 2023 12:13 raynpelikoneet wrote: Well.. I hate that i have this shit schedule, i have basically more work than everyone else combined in our production.  Thankfully starting tomorrow i am not working anymore this year.Time to carry :D Grats on finishing up. | ||
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ok, then the major assumption I was making is wrong. | ||
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On December 12 2023 12:56 Alakaslam wrote: I masoned HIM, not the other way around It is gone now Ahhh, fuck. I got it the other way around. | ||
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On December 12 2023 12:57 Alakaslam wrote: So why were people suspicious of Sandroba? you mean why did the wagon form there? | ||
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Essentially: Math, it was him or holyflare that could work at the time I was counting votes, and I thought Sandro looked worse than HF or Vivax (when vivax was spewing town) The second part was that Sandro had been discussed so much and a lot of positions taken on him that his flip would give a lot of info. | ||
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On December 12 2023 13:06 Alakaslam wrote: Ok. I never suspected Sandroba but I felt Vivax was obvious town. Yeah probably others felt that way, it is what it is. | ||
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On December 12 2023 16:15 Koshi wrote: When I woke up I felt he was probably town. Should have kept my vote on marv. Then you could have lynched sandroba. Meh. Overthinked it yesterday. It’s fine. Lots of information and positions in the thread. I believe in smart koshi. | ||
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On December 12 2023 16:34 marvellosity wrote: People thinking I’m mafia for not enough investment? Bitch please. I really am glad I lit a fire under you 😛 cranky Marv best Marv? | ||
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On December 12 2023 16:45 marvellosity wrote: I am going to have to ride with DP as my townie here, which is always a little unfortunate, else I don’t know how to navigate this game now. Oof. Right in the ego. | ||
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On December 12 2023 16:52 marvellosity wrote: You won’t have my vote. But yes he is useless. Even more than usual. I don’t like playing with him, frankly. It’s not like the other games tho. I legitimately think he is mafia this game. | ||
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On December 12 2023 16:54 marvellosity wrote: Yeah I understand sandro is mafia though. Lynch was like 10pm for him. He afked the thread once enough. It’s piled up on Vivax. Didn’t care. He actually ninja invited you and onto vivax. I didn’t like that. On the other hand, he was the other wagon. | ||
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On December 12 2023 16:54 marvellosity wrote: Yeah I understand sandro is mafia though. Lynch was like 10pm for him. He afked the thread once enough. It’s piled up on Vivax. Didn’t care. But yeah this is true. I mean I did just try really hard to lynch the guy. So I’m not opposed to it or anything. Just need the next couple to be super high EV | ||
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On December 12 2023 17:15 marvellosity wrote: Been thinking about this though. I still think Palmar is town. Just needed to say so. Yeah so do I. | ||
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On December 12 2023 17:56 Palmar wrote: Also this is why people need to think about the deadline. Half the thread is gone to sleep when shit is happening. It's important we lock shit in early. If we were gonna move to Sandroba, that needed to get done ages ago. Truth is born from crisis | ||
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On December 12 2023 18:19 marvellosity wrote: Chez only. We can get there on Slam. I think my concerns are valid though I think you are both wrong that either of them are unreadable fwiw | ||
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On December 12 2023 18:18 marvellosity wrote: Re: DMB. I have been thinking about her. She was really looking forward to playing mafia, and actually I can really believe that she posted that stuff about you being a god but having her own reasons to lynch Vivax. I feel like this is a level of fun she could have as a scum player. But if sandro is mafia I don’t think it makes sense that DMB is mafia. She started hard pushing against the lynch. If sandro is town, that would fit into the DMB having fun as mafia. I just don’t think it’s the likely explanation atm. I think dmb is very very likely town | ||
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On December 12 2023 18:27 Palmar wrote: You can get there, but the effort is just not worth it. It's much easier to shoot trolls than to worry about them. Reading comprehensible people is a way better use of my time. Leave it to me then. | ||
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That’s my plan anyway. | ||
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That whole thing was really weird and forced. And then it kind of disappeared. Like for how aggro trfel was at the start on sandro, he dropped that whole thing and then he dropped the stuff with me too. It’s almost like all the proactivity at the start ended up with nothing. And at the end he just flipped onto vivax. | ||
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On December 12 2023 18:51 marvellosity wrote: Also sandro’s waffling on Trfel is REALLY WEIRD Yeah agree they waffle on each other. Which is kind of ??? Based on how they started. | ||
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Not Holy flare. I think that is a slip, he is speaking like he himself is mafia, when that observation from rayn should apply to himself as town. (which is how I read it) | ||
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On December 12 2023 20:47 marvellosity wrote: I read it as 2) above, but I thought your post above that one explained why it wasn’t a slip, which I believe, but you seem to be saying again that it is? I think I agree with your final conclusion though I read it as 2 as well. | ||
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The natural thought is "well I know I am town so therefore rayn is correct, we can't be mafia together." The fact that he says that rayn is right and I am town based on that Idea is fucking weird. | ||
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On December 12 2023 21:12 marvellosity wrote: I have really enjoyed this, though I’m sure. 😛 | ||
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On December 13 2023 05:11 raynpelikoneet wrote: DP wake up. I’ll be around in about an hour. Getting ready for work | ||
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On December 13 2023 06:20 raynpelikoneet wrote: marv, it was marv. about 36 hours ago. your read on holyflare is based on a list post he made 36 hours ago? okay i am just going to wait for DP. Im here. Whats up? | ||
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On December 13 2023 06:56 marvellosity wrote: Bleh is all I can say to this passage of play agree. | ||
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On December 12 2023 22:37 raynpelikoneet wrote: I have honestly no idea how marv thinks HF is town at this point of the game. Im guessing it's because he is being reasonable? Marv also said not that long ago that HF could easily be mafia in this spot so its not a very strong position at least. If we take the following group: Koshi HF DP Palmar Rayn Marv im thinking that holy flare is probably the most likely out of those to be mafia at this stage. | ||
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On December 13 2023 07:05 raynpelikoneet wrote: I guess night is troll phase so i think i am going to sauna. Cya in a while. I only just arrived | ||
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On December 13 2023 07:04 Palmar wrote: Your skull is so thick. I'm essentially just trying to point out that some people worked hard to get shit done. Other people worked less hard to get shit done. The first is a town trait, the second is a mafia trait. It's not a 100% tell (or mafia would be easy). By this metric you are basically calling yourself mafia LMAO. | ||
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On December 12 2023 23:08 marvellosity wrote: Look at it another way rayn. You may be right about HF (you may not). But your argument about this timestamps thing has been in the thread a while and you discussed it over a few posts. There are 9 townies in this game and none of them have ridden with the argument. That means even if you are right, it’s not the argument that is making you right. I tend to think that it means 'something' but what exactly it means is largely based on expectations of what HF should do and not what he actually did, which means it appeals to some individuals more or less than others. But with good players you need to pay attention to the small things, because that is all you might ever have. | ||
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On December 13 2023 07:07 marvellosity wrote: Can I just delicately note Trfel has not been seen in quite a while No need to be delicate about it. | ||
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On December 13 2023 07:08 Palmar wrote: Oh I see what you're going at. Thing is, I worked harder than anyone else in the thread because I directed town on day one. Now I didn't objectively have to post a lot because a page of oneliners from me is worth like 3 pages of bullshit from other people or more. Still makes me the towniest. This is straight nonsense, and actually fairly scummy. | ||
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On December 13 2023 07:11 marvellosity wrote: It’s exactly shit like this why I’ve had to save Palmar from like 20 day 1 lynches. Im not even kidding. Don't worry I am not going to try and lynch him tomorrow. .... Or am I | ||
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On December 13 2023 01:02 raynpelikoneet wrote: i still don't know about Koshi thoguh, there was one post i thought was really townie, but aside from that it's just meehhhh, all game just mehhh.. He comes across as super townie to me at times in the thred for some reason, but then I read his filter and it looks a lot "less." | ||
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On December 13 2023 07:17 Palmar wrote: 1) I worked harder than anyone else in the thread because I directed town on day one - this one is self-evidently true. Clearly only the person who leads the lynch is working the hardest (or smartest). Work is literally the effort portion towards an outcome. The outcome we work towards as town is lynching mafia, We lynched a townie (quite clearly town by the end) You may have got your lynch, but the amount of work you put in was low, and you may have 'worked' with the mafia team. On December 13 2023 07:17 Palmar wrote: 2) Now I didn't objectively have to post a lot because a page of oneliners from me is worth like 3 pages of bullshit from other people or more. - This is also true. I have a shorter filter because my contributions are very good and effective at directing town. But I guess you can contest this a little bit I think you have a gift of saying things succinctly, but I also think you had some inherent privileges at the start of the game that cause people to pay more attention to what you say than is perhaps warranted based on solely your contributions from the game we are playing. I also think you pointed things out with vivax that were self-evident at the time so people didn't really need to be convinced. On December 13 2023 07:17 Palmar wrote: 3) Still makes me the towniest - This is the one you can call bullshit. But please give me the three towniest people in the town then just so I know where you're at. I still thought you looked pretty good, until you started messing with rayn. I like it when you actually play and remove the trolling ego, I think you have played well in relation to marv and some of your town reads are good. I think you have started looking worse recently, as if you aren't keeping up with the new info in the thread (maybe you need to work a bit harder )I Like Rayn, Marv, Koshi, Slam, DMB and Yourself as town at this point in no particular order. I certainly do not think you stand above them as 'more town' in any reasonable way. | ||
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On December 13 2023 07:31 marvellosity wrote: I’d forgotten how bad that was. Like the expectation he should be playing in the middle of the night somehow. Bizarro at best. FINALLY. THANKYOU. | ||
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On December 13 2023 07:27 Palmar wrote: Dude I'm shit as mafia lol This is true, lol. I remember. | ||
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On December 13 2023 07:37 marvellosity wrote: I’m really nervous that if Trfel is maybe mafia that I might be wrong on sandro. I know it’s possible they attack each other early in the thread but it’s definitely not the percentage viewpoint. Ugh I think they are maybe both mafia. | ||
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On December 13 2023 07:40 raynpelikoneet wrote: I know you think Palmar is town and i know what youre going to say, but like for a fucking second entertain this? No? Okay. What are we entertaining? Palmar as mafia? | ||
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On December 13 2023 07:41 marvellosity wrote: You think they do that play right at the start of the game? I really want the answer to be yes because I’d like to stay sure on something for once It's very possible. Sometimes mafia don't know how to lie about townies looking scummy, but they know their partner is scummy so they just point out the truth. The fact they both kind of didn't do anything with the initial conflict with each other, Trfel kind of pivoted onto calling me mafia for leaving the thread to go to bed, and then both limp dicked their vote onto vivax for ??? reasons makes me sus on both. I'd like to leave all the unflipped associative stuff out of my decision making (its a bad habit we have been indulging in this game.) But I think trfel should be considered, I think Sando should be and I think there is no reason they can't be mafia together. | ||
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On December 13 2023 07:45 marvellosity wrote: Christ I can. On that note I’m going to bed. Yeah I also can. | ||
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On December 13 2023 07:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: can you give me a nice team of 3 then, because i cannot come up with one? Trfel - Sandro - Chez Trfel - Chez - HF Sandro -Chez - HF Trfel - Chez - Koshi Trfel - Sandro - Koshi Probably there is a mafia somewhere looking town, but off the top of my head, I think all the above are reasonable in some way. | ||
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On December 13 2023 07:42 sandroba wrote: dmb also looks bad Why? | ||
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On December 13 2023 07:47 raynpelikoneet wrote: yeah i know you can give a team of 6 if asked and argue for it. Hahahaha true. | ||
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On December 13 2023 01:47 marvellosity wrote: Finding it hard to envisage 3 mafia outside of sandro though. Unless it’s both Slam and Chez which would just make this game really, really irritating. FWIW I think chez would be more engaged if slam was on his team. | ||
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On December 13 2023 07:51 raynpelikoneet wrote: Why not HF and Koshi mafia together? Also possible. Just less likely because chez sandro and trfel look so bad i can;t really agree that only one of the three is mafia. | ||
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On December 13 2023 07:54 raynpelikoneet wrote: or do you mean chez is mafia BECAUSE slam is not in his team? That is a bit reaching imo. No the first one. | ||
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On December 13 2023 02:48 raynpelikoneet wrote: more stuff or list is the key to correct answer. I agree with this | ||
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On December 13 2023 07:58 raynpelikoneet wrote: well slam is not mafia anyways Yeah I know that. I’m more pointing it out for people like Palmar who have yet to draw that conclusion | ||
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On December 13 2023 08:01 Koshi wrote: How am I whiny. I just need to be lynched. And I am letting you giys know. I prefer the koshi that was smart and who flamed me. Weird I know. | ||
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Can you address this please Koshi. | ||
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On December 13 2023 08:10 DarthPunk wrote: Koshi who do you currently have as mafia? | ||
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What does that mean? | ||
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On December 13 2023 08:22 Holyflare wrote: I already said I'm shooting sandro and I'm hard claiming this now. Why are you claiming now? | ||
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Tip top town: Marv Rayn Town: Palmar DMB I would be really surprised if mafia in this group. | ||
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On December 13 2023 08:28 raynpelikoneet wrote: What's the point? He is confirmed one way or another after night falls. Mafia Roleblocker (Each night you can roleblock one person. You cannot roleblock yourself) | ||
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On December 13 2023 08:30 raynpelikoneet wrote: Do you know there is a roleblocker? No, but we don't know there is not one, and its a pretty common role. Why risk it? he can claim after the shot goes off like normal. Doesn't make sense. Makes sense as a fake claim though. There is literally zero reason that I can see that he should claim that shot now if he is actually a vig. | ||
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I don't know, doesn't really make sense in either direction TBH. I'm struggling to understand why it was made in the first place. Can you explain why the vig would claim 2.5 hours before deadline, so they can get roleblocked and lose their shot in any set up with a mafia roleblocker? Why not just claim at the start of day 2? | ||
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On December 13 2023 08:35 raynpelikoneet wrote: Does Koshi's stuff make sense to you? His reads align with thread sentiment, I don't know why he thinks you are mafia, but he could just be better at reading you, In my mind you are a strong player as either alignment so maybe I am not giving your scum game enough credit here. I hate the way he is playing. What do you think? | ||
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On December 13 2023 08:42 raynpelikoneet wrote: I don't like this. I know i sometimes don't like your stuff but this is really like i dont like this. It looks like mafia. Can't trust a compliment hey? | ||
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On December 13 2023 08:52 raynpelikoneet wrote: I can tell you something now that i have figured out. Why i find you scummy at times in games is you try to do too much stuff. Idk if you do that as mafia as well, but definitely you do that as town. Look at the votes this game D1, you are on every reasonable wagon. How am i supposed to discern if youre town or mafia? If you like that, it's fine, you have even had good results with this thing as i guess either alignment. It's just that.. i don't like that i go to bed at 12am and 3am DP has changed the lynch to something he wanted to, every single game. It's my way of doing what Koshi is trying to do, balance my town and mafia play, while still posting and being engaged. It also helps me find mafia, cause mafia are slow to react to changes in the thread. It's not a coincidence that Marv, HF, You all really strong players, all have trouble reading me. I know that people will try and justify shit play as some kind of strat post hoc, but I genuinely try to encapsulate an element of chaos into my play, for a lot of different reasons, I even make cases I don't believe in or which serve an agenda as town to get a reaction, motivate people who are lazy, or just, see what happens. It's planned and intentional, my only regret is if it makes the game unenjoyable to play for others. | ||
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On December 13 2023 09:02 Holyflare wrote: why do people make their town games shit so their mafia games are better just play better as both I'm trying to do that :D I also don't think I am shit as town, but you are free to disagree. | ||
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Because I think its important? | ||
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I remember that happening back in the day, it was really shit. Also I tend to like the fact that mafia tend to suicide into me every game trying to get me mislynched. | ||
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And in return I have to deal with a moderately increased level of suspicion throughout the game, that ends up helping me generate reads. | ||
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On December 13 2023 09:12 raynpelikoneet wrote: If your commitment though, is like 10x than anyone else combined, it will fail, or you'll be basically playing by yourself. I face a lot of shit when i am "not engaging", then i look like "dude i have 15% of all the posts", but if it is i am supposed to have 30% who cares? :D Don't worry, you're just fine as you are, let's see if you're mafia or if i am or who the fuck is, okay? sure, lets move on. | ||
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On December 13 2023 09:16 raynpelikoneet wrote: trfel trfel... can trfel be mafia with sandroba? Yes. Easily. Y ou and I could do that. I am pretty sure we did do that in our game with artanis. | ||
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On December 13 2023 09:18 Trfel wrote: Sorry things have been busy. Will try and catch up, but not likely before late tonight or tomorrow. He knows he will survive.... | ||
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On December 13 2023 09:21 raynpelikoneet wrote: so you think sandroba + trfel is plausible? Yes. | ||
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It actually makes a lot of sense to me. | ||
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And sandro. You should both be here. | ||
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On December 13 2023 10:32 Alakaslam wrote: Does a student so easily motivate his teacher? You can't drop off so hard from your day one play slam. Surely you have an opinion on chez. | ||
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On December 13 2023 10:46 Alakaslam wrote: Finally caught up. I want to read rayn but I also want to be present for DP Go ahead. IM working. | ||
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Sandro more like 65-75 times out of a 100. | ||
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