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But this time of the year is more like..... | ||
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On November 17 2023 18:58 Palmar wrote: /in Nice. | ||
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On November 23 2023 08:45 die_meatbaby wrote: I need to have Jacobstrangelove in every future game here. I can't play anymore without the short erotic summary after every day I can ask him to play if you want. | ||
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On December 07 2023 11:29 VisceraEyes wrote: /in Not sure if I'm in the Discord anymore Fixed that for you | ||
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On December 10 2023 13:25 Trfel wrote: I guess instead of waiting I'll let the cat out of the bag, I'm impatient. This post seems very wishy-washy, non-committal, and pointless. The first paragraph doesn't really say anything of substance (not that it's wrong per se, just doesn't really contribute anything meaningful to the game). The second paragraph is the same way. To me, he seems to end with exactly no read (and next to no thoughts) on Alakaslam. There's even "I like the poking about smiles, but it's phrased as a question so there is avoidance as well" which seems like aggressive-but-with-a-heavy-grain-of-salt that is easy to say without actually committing to it. "Posting within what I expected" and "not leaning one way or the other based on initial posts" doesn't end up meaning much at all. The other thing I want to note is all of the caveats and grain of salts and backtracking in sandroba's post. Not exactly sure how to phrase what I mean, but see here, in red: He's shying away from saying something, like making a read and then backing off from it. Or giving a reason to doubt what he just said, or placing a limiter on it. For such a small post, it's riddled with it. To me, this comes across as trying to be non-committal and playing the "safe game" while making it look like you are saying things and trying to figure things out. Trfel, what kind of committed position would you reasonably expect sandroba to have at that point in the game? | ||
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On December 10 2023 12:03 Alakaslam wrote: Why aren't y'all instant and hanging on every second like my phoneposting ass? I liked Slams entry, seemed keen to be playing, I think slam probably could do that as mafia, but I think his alignment will work itself out along the lines of his engagement levels so wouldn't want to lynch him today. On December 10 2023 12:03 Trfel wrote: Hi everyone, hope you have been well  Excited for the 12 player game. Increases my chance of finding mafia to 27.2%, higher than my normal 25% average! On December 10 2023 12:10 Trfel wrote: Also I should add, I could be wrong, but this seems like a heavy-EU player base in a game where the deadline is late at night for EU. So it's probably going to be important to be more organized and not rely on deadline shenanigans since people (hopefully) won't be around Unless there is some other solution to the Grackaroni deadline that people have discovered in my 3-year-plus absence. On December 10 2023 12:40 Trfel wrote: How are you doing, Alakaslam? Anyone else around? I do find it interesting that there is a mason mechanic this game. Not sure if there is any way to realistically use that to our advantage, but I guess it probably doesn't hurt? As a rule, I tend to associate entry to threads like this with mafia play (setup speculation particularly). Admittedly, it could be a case of a returning player trying to feel his way back into the thread, but the BS detector was going off big time. On December 10 2023 12:49 sandroba wrote: Hi everyone, excited to be playing a game after being away from Mafia for so long! I believe I have some familiarity with most if not all players on the list, although I might be very outdated in accessing their meta. So far we have Alakaslam who I feel is posting within what I expected, not leaning one way or the other based on his initial posts. I like the poking about smiles being sus, but at the same time, it's phrased as a question so there is a bit of avoidance in there as well. Again, not very telling. For Trfel, some might say I'm nit-picking, but I don't like the self-demeaning tone about his performance right out of the gate. Also, some generic advice and deadlines which sounds like trying to say something just to fit in. This could be understandable because we are mostly trying to generate some content at this point and get the discussion going, but this advice at this point so far away from the deadline doesn't do us much good at face value or as a conversation starter. Leaning suspicious from what I've seen so far. The last paragraph of this post reflected my viewpoint at that point in the thread, I don't really like the slam stuff. Meh. On December 10 2023 13:25 Trfel wrote: I guess instead of waiting I'll let the cat out of the bag, I'm impatient. This post seems very wishy-washy, non-committal, and pointless. The first paragraph doesn't really say anything of substance (not that it's wrong per se, just doesn't really contribute anything meaningful to the game). The second paragraph is the same way. To me, he seems to end with exactly no read (and next to no thoughts) on Alakaslam. There's even "I like the poking about smiles, but it's phrased as a question so there is avoidance as well" which seems like aggressive-but-with-a-heavy-grain-of-salt that is easy to say without actually committing to it. "Posting within what I expected" and "not leaning one way or the other based on initial posts" doesn't end up meaning much at all. The other thing I want to note is all of the caveats and grain of salts and backtracking in sandroba's post. Not exactly sure how to phrase what I mean, but see here, in red: He's shying away from saying something, like making a read and then backing off from it. Or giving a reason to doubt what he just said, or placing a limiter on it. For such a small post, it's riddled with it. To me, this comes across as trying to be non-committal and playing the "safe game" while making it look like you are saying things and trying to figure things out. The level 1 analysis of this is that a player is being aggressive early, not afraid to post and that would be good for Trfel. My initial feelings reading the post was that it felt forced, with a lot of generic statements to try and make Sandroba's post seeem worse than it was. I disagree that at the point of the game in which we are right now, that everything said needs to progress the game in a meaningful way. Sure, I would like that to be the case, but I also don't think that someone being non-committal is alignment indicative, in fact, someone being strongly committed early tends to make me lean mafia more than town, Town are trying to figure shit out at the start and are more curious than committed. | ||
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low effort, even for you :D | ||
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As you seem like the only one here, what are your thoughts on the sandroba, trfel entrances? | ||
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On December 10 2023 17:45 Alakaslam wrote: Early game overreaction by both! They threw suspicion around kinda quick If I saw later it was M/M I would chuckle at the cojones and be unsurprised Do you really think that sandroba and trfel were the same? That's not how i view it at all. | ||
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Yes. Yes it is. Vote: Trfel | ||
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On December 10 2023 18:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: Palmar pros town here. But what are you? What do you make of trfel? | ||
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On December 10 2023 18:01 raynpelikoneet wrote: Probs* The first one was correct. | ||
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Yeah I always do this  . Also sometime people are just scum (like cupcake read in one of the previous games) and trfel is fitting that bill for me. | ||
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On December 10 2023 19:19 marvellosity wrote: Don’t understand anyone who thinks Trfel is suspicious for calling out a pretty terrible first post from sandro tbh That's funny, I feel pretty much the exact opposite. | ||
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On December 10 2023 20:04 Trfel wrote: This is particularly interesting, didn't you literally call Sandroba's first post "meh"? I am saying I don't understand how anyone cannot find you suspicious for your post calling out sandro. | ||
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On December 10 2023 19:47 Trfel wrote: I'm not expecting some huge commitment or 100% certain reads or anything like that. But I think it's reasonable to expect something of substance. Sandroba failed to provide that. I understand people wanting to share thoughts, even if they aren't sure about the conclusions, but at the same time it's a game of mafia where the conclusions about people's alignments is ultimately what matters. My point about sandroba isn't that he didn't have any strong conclusions, it's the amount of thoughts he shared without any conclusions whatsoever and the way that he seemingly undermined any conclusion he could have made with doubt and take-backsies or whatever you want to call it. I don't think that everything needs to progress the game necessarily, or have a distinct purpose, it's that sandroba's post is the type of post that should have a purpose but just doesn't. What kind of substance are you expecting? he literally posted the 10th post of the game? | ||
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Lol why are we always like this hahaha. | ||
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On December 10 2023 20:18 Trfel wrote: I think DarthPunk is focusing more on the way I brought up suspicion about sandroba's post rather than just that I did it, but I could be wrong?If you go back to that quote I made with the red and take out the stuff in red then it would have had substantial conclusions. How confident would you say you were of sandroba's alignment when you wrote that post? | ||
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On December 10 2023 20:22 marvellosity wrote: This might just be a reflection on just how poor I thought sandro’s opening post was, though. Maybe. I don't think it was as bad as you seem to FWIW. | ||
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