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On December 12 2023 18:22 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2023 18:15 marvellosity wrote:On December 12 2023 18:01 Palmar wrote:
I'm going to look into how and why people voted the way they did last night as I have time through the day.
Marv just left his vote on Sandroba, was happy with the Vivax lynch but didn't actually push his own idea for a lynch very much. I know Sandroba eventually tied but that wasn't really thanks to marv. Standing by leaning null to scum.
DP's switch, and the reasoning for me (why is Vivax calling me mafia when he doesn't need to) and the fact that he actively tried to get his lynch done looks pretty good. Standing by lean town. And actually I had really, really good reasons for sandro lynch that are in my filter. And you’re right, I did push it too late. But I was happy with the Vivax lynch right up to near the end, which is when I started pushing my sandro stuff more. It really is as simple as that. There were good reasons to lynch Sandroba. I don't disagree with that. You barely pushed although you did not move. Vivax only started playing after you went to sleep and you did claim to be somewhat happy with the lynch. I don't care honestly. I'm probably gonna think you're mafia all game but I can actually work with that. It's just going to be super annoying for you.
Vivax was playing in the couple of hours before I checked out.
That’s literally the reason I left my vote on sandro having said earlier I would consolidate - because I had enough doubt at that point
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On December 12 2023 18:22 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2023 18:15 marvellosity wrote:On December 12 2023 18:01 Palmar wrote:
I'm going to look into how and why people voted the way they did last night as I have time through the day.
Marv just left his vote on Sandroba, was happy with the Vivax lynch but didn't actually push his own idea for a lynch very much. I know Sandroba eventually tied but that wasn't really thanks to marv. Standing by leaning null to scum.
DP's switch, and the reasoning for me (why is Vivax calling me mafia when he doesn't need to) and the fact that he actively tried to get his lynch done looks pretty good. Standing by lean town. And actually I had really, really good reasons for sandro lynch that are in my filter. And you’re right, I did push it too late. But I was happy with the Vivax lynch right up to near the end, which is when I started pushing my sandro stuff more. It really is as simple as that. There were good reasons to lynch Sandroba. I don't disagree with that. You barely pushed although you did not move. Vivax only started playing after you went to sleep and you did claim to be somewhat happy with the lynch. I don't care honestly. I'm probably gonna think you're mafia all game but I can actually work with that. It's just going to be super annoying for you.
Also I have long made my peace that I am way better at reading you than you are me. 
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On December 12 2023 18:26 Palmar wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2023 18:25 marvellosity wrote:On December 12 2023 18:22 Palmar wrote:On December 12 2023 18:15 marvellosity wrote:On December 12 2023 18:01 Palmar wrote:
I'm going to look into how and why people voted the way they did last night as I have time through the day.
Marv just left his vote on Sandroba, was happy with the Vivax lynch but didn't actually push his own idea for a lynch very much. I know Sandroba eventually tied but that wasn't really thanks to marv. Standing by leaning null to scum.
DP's switch, and the reasoning for me (why is Vivax calling me mafia when he doesn't need to) and the fact that he actively tried to get his lynch done looks pretty good. Standing by lean town. And actually I had really, really good reasons for sandro lynch that are in my filter. And you’re right, I did push it too late. But I was happy with the Vivax lynch right up to near the end, which is when I started pushing my sandro stuff more. It really is as simple as that. There were good reasons to lynch Sandroba. I don't disagree with that. You barely pushed although you did not move. Vivax only started playing after you went to sleep and you did claim to be somewhat happy with the lynch. I don't care honestly. I'm probably gonna think you're mafia all game but I can actually work with that. It's just going to be super annoying for you. Also I have long made my peace that I am way better at reading you than you are me. Neat, so we agree I'm supertown?
Unfortunately you are one of my top couple of townreads.
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On December 12 2023 18:25 Palmar wrote:
The more I think about it the more I want to kill HF.
rayn also just kinda fucked off, but at least he confirmed me town.
Yes re - rayn, but I was not upset with any of the posts he actually made.
Normally when he is mafia I get upset with what he is pushing.
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On December 12 2023 18:37 DarthPunk wrote:
@palmar I think it’s probably good to operate under the assumption that Marv is town for a bit and see what he does.
That’s my plan anyway.
All I am going to do is try to kill sandro with fire.
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On December 12 2023 18:45 DarthPunk wrote:
I wonder if trfel would open with a bus on his own teammate.
That whole thing was really weird and forced.
And then it kind of disappeared. Like for how aggro trfel was at the start on sandro, he dropped that whole thing and then he dropped the stuff with me too.
It’s almost like all the proactivity at the start ended up with nothing.
And at the end he just flipped onto vivax.
I’ve wondered this too. I stil don’t think it’s likely, but I think it’s likely enough to consider seriously
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On December 12 2023 18:48 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2023 18:45 DarthPunk wrote:
I wonder if trfel would open with a bus on his own teammate.
That whole thing was really weird and forced.
And then it kind of disappeared. Like for how aggro trfel was at the start on sandro, he dropped that whole thing and then he dropped the stuff with me too.
It’s almost like all the proactivity at the start ended up with nothing.
And at the end he just flipped onto vivax. I’ve wondered this too. I stil don’t think it’s likely, but I think it’s likely enough to consider seriously
Also sandro’s waffling on Trfel is REALLY WEIRD
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On December 12 2023 19:27 Holyflare wrote:
If trfel is mafia is the first quote a slip? I just don't get it. "No way DP would take such a one-sided approach favoring a partner in the exchange between me and trfel".
Rayn's point was that DP and Sandroba probably weren't mafia together so how does "favour a partner" apply to this? Is it that he thought trfel was mafia at this point? That rayn thought trfel was mafia?
Either a slip or not something I think sandro would say about an actual mafia partner (trfel).
Can you quote this so I can try parse what you’re saying?
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On December 12 2023 20:04 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2023 02:47 sandroba wrote:On December 12 2023 01:56 marvellosity wrote:
Also, re: sandro.
He asked me to engage, and gave me some bleh nonsense about not liking Trfel’s vote on him, but could not come up with a way he would expect Trfel to vote as a townie.
In his filter though, he does quote a post from Trfel and goes to quite some length to explain how townie a post it is.
I don’t believe he goes from the first post explaining to why Trfel is likely town, to a complete nothing post shovelling suspicion on Trfel.
I would provide the 2 quotes but as usual these days I am not in a laptop so it’s too difficult. But if you’re reading this dear town, please do take a look and see what I mean. I quoted a post I would 100% expect you to agree on and find it suspicious. Nobody else had mentioned that post and I was expecting you to have some commentary, but instead you just dismissed it and asked me something irrelevant like what I think Trfle would post like if he was a towny voting. I dunno, like something I read and don't think sounds forced? I'm not comparing it to an imaginary trfel post, just reading it along with his filter and feeling it's off. Not sure why you would ask me to imagine a townie post instead of reflecting on the actual post itself. Such a fire post, maybe one I'd be inclined to town read sandro on. Annoyingly followed up by a self-critical backing off. Maybe wary that a town marv could snap back at any second? Show nested quote +On December 12 2023 02:57 sandroba wrote:
Or maybe I just suck while thinking I'm onto something and expecting you feel the same but actually you are just right and good while I'm bad? A harder pill to swallow but I guess could be true
I find it really hard, knowing what I do of sandro, to believe he backs off so submissively as town.
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Can you actually explain this Trfel partner slip thing to me like I’m 5?
With quotes if possible?
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On December 12 2023 20:20 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2023 20:13 marvellosity wrote:
Can you actually explain this Trfel partner slip thing to me like I’m 5?
With quotes if possible? I did originally write a whole wall when I was engaging sandro about all the possibilities but I felt confused myself about all the different scenarios so bear with me.
Thank you. I did try to go back to understand what you were saying but I failed. But I really want to understand as it might be really important
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I read it as 2) above, but I thought your post above that one explained why it wasn’t a slip, which I believe, but you seem to be saying again that it is?
I think I agree with your final conclusion though
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Honestly for me its a bit of a wash as I don’t think that’s what makes sandro mafia (or town)
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Because while I agree with you that the post isn’t necessarily right, you are a very smart person, Hf, and you know DP a lot better than sandro. And I don’t think it’s an outrageous stand alone thought, to assume a mafia partner wouldn’t ride to a buddy’s defence so hard and so early.
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On December 12 2023 20:56 DarthPunk wrote:
The reason its a slip is because he shouldn't really be drawing a conclusion about my alignment from that post from rayn.
The natural thought is "well I know I am town so therefore rayn is correct, we can't be mafia together."
The fact that he says that rayn is right and I am town based on that Idea is fucking weird.
Because if sandro is town then he can’t come to the conclusion about protecting a mafia buddy? Is that the idea here?
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On December 12 2023 20:56 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2023 20:49 marvellosity wrote:
Honestly for me its a bit of a wash as I don’t think that’s what makes sandro mafia (or town) Not so much as a slip as outright calling himself mafia but more a lapse in thought process where you forget you're supposed to be pretending you're town so go out and justify other people's reasoning as being good by forgetting what your alignment is supposed to be. I agree, there's much better points to go for. I think he has had no conclusive push this game. His scum reads and middling reads are really bad and lazy. Somehow I went from being a potential mafia read to neutral despite me basically posting nothing since he called me suspicious. I don't believe his vivax or trfel progressions and I don't think he would be this meek as a town that thought he caught a mafia marv. Especially so given that he shares that sentiment with Palmar and it would be an easy avenue to bolster Palmar's ego for. Somehow trfel drops to one of his top 3 scum reads because of one post that "really sets off alarms" Show nested quote +On December 12 2023 00:19 sandroba wrote:On December 11 2023 16:57 Trfel wrote:On December 11 2023 13:41 DarthPunk wrote:
Trfel are you around?
Can you give me your updated reads now you are voting vivax I'm asleep. I think Vivax is the best chance at mafia. His play is very underwhelming and uninspired, in contrast to his town play where he is capable of being a very strong player. He also seems to not care about his relatively poor performance/lack of investmemt. Sandroba and Koshi might be worth considering but I think I like lynching Vivax more by a decent margin. Trfel I had been leaning town from the burst of engagement, but this post really set off some alarms for me. Vivax mentioned that he was weary from the bottom feeders on his wagon, and if I was town Vivax I would definitely be all over this post in particular. The wording, tone and reasoning on this post don't seem to match the rest of his filter. Seems like a formal way to justify a vote, looks like it's fabricated and a chore. but sandroba scum reads vivax too so it's a weird avenue of thought to go down I do agree with sandro though (potential for a bus situation) that the trfel post in particular is really lazy and just phoning it in so maybe need to look at trfel a bit more
Agree it’s worth looking into.
It’s quite the play for Trfel to savage sandro so early in the game though. It’s possible, but it requires organisation or a level of ‘go it alone’ that I’m not sure Trfel is likely to do?
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I have really enjoyed this, though
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On December 12 2023 22:37 raynpelikoneet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 08:31 marvellosity wrote:On December 11 2023 08:13 DarthPunk wrote:On December 11 2023 08:11 DarthPunk wrote:On December 11 2023 08:08 marvellosity wrote:On December 11 2023 08:05 DarthPunk wrote:
I'd like to see what holyflare has to say, I don't really agree with rayn that he is obs mafia for the slip up he had, but I tend to think it is a good idea to listen to rayn when he feels strongly about things.
I'd really like to lynch trfel, but I can see that is not gonna happen today, so I will just take solace in saying 'i told you so' at the end of the game.
I think Slam is 100% town.
I think rayn is town
I thought marv was town until recently but I think slam picked up some good stuff, so maybe not so much anymore.
the rest is a quagmire.
Not sure about Koshi, I think I see glimpses of smart town koshi in the mess somewhere. Don’t understand how you can possibly think it shifts the needle on my alignment, DP I'll tell you after the game if you want. Or if I try to lynch you, but we aren't in that territory atm. To be clear, you are in my top 3 town list, so it's not that bad, there was just enough in it to move you back out of the 99% club. Can you tell me what you think of HF and Palmar right now? Lean town on both I have honestly no idea how marv thinks HF is town at this point of the game.
Why is he mafia though, then?
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