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We need more hairless ones. They know the way of wisdom and come first in BRICS
they also have best toke and fancy woman festival OK I SHUTTING UP
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On December 13 2023 08:12 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Marv i have a weird question.
Last game, how did your team feel about posting on night 1?
Can’t honestly remember bud
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On December 13 2023 08:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
If i die murder DP for that post though.
Lol
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On December 13 2023 12:02 Grackaroni wrote:Day 2![[image loading]](https://i.ytimg.com/vi/iJzsxaJWRdk/hqdefault.jpg) DarthPunk the Doctor has been killed.
Day 2 begins. The day ends on Friday, Dec 15 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
Well played my friend.
I’m super sad we didn’t get a vig shot off here.
Really thought hat would be the balance for minus 1 townie as hitting a town doesn’t lose town a ML.
Sigh.
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##vote: sandro
Frankly he’s still very likely to be mafia here. Although I do like a couple of his posts so I am prepared to untunnel if I really have to, I just don’t want to.
I’m fancying a vote on Trfel more and more but I haven’t properly read him yet.
So for now, a statement of intent.
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DMB is mafia.
1) She is flying under the radar.
2) I think she voted Vivax because he is a threat to her. And because Vivax posted a good list.
On December 11 2023 11:16 die_meatbaby wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 11:07 Vivax wrote:On December 11 2023 10:56 DarthPunk wrote:On December 11 2023 10:54 Vivax wrote:On December 11 2023 10:50 DarthPunk wrote:On December 11 2023 10:44 Vivax wrote:
I'm not sure that Palmar's is a genuine effort to read me over some egotistical push. I think you are failing your own town litmus test. Where you are usually more engaged as town. Should have done enough to display my current thoughts. I'm hoping for wagons and vote accordingly. You haven't though. I can tell you who isn't in the clear for me: And that's a majority but I can't do much about it with my current degree of certainty. You, marv, dmb, Chez, Palmar, HF. Sandro, Trfel. I'm wondering if I should bury my sandro + Trfel approach and just assume it's two townies starting the game off like that. ##Unvote Okey what kind of wagon are you trying to build here. Like i really really try to see it but now you making my opinion on you even worse #vote vivax
3) Last one to move from Vivax to Sandroba. Even though she was moving with thread sentiment to a more Vivax is not mafia 30 mins prior.
4) Dont think she made 1 good post so far. Very bad of Palmar to make her so townie after that 1 "independent research" Vivax vote. Because really... That isn't that good at all.
Anyway. Start putting her in your PoE people.
##Vote Sandroba
(Last game I was mafai and I made a case on somebody and voted somebody else)
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On December 11 2023 21:20 Holyflare wrote:
Slam
Palmar
Koshi
DarthPunk
die_meatbaby
Trfel
Raynpelikoneet
All of the above have some kind of reasonable series of posts that give them plausible deniability from being mafia, or at least that I think have posted things that I can see as even townie. Some of them even at multiple points (slam, DP etc).
It leaves me with:
marvellosity
Vivax
Chezinu
Sandroba
Sure, there's the chance that you're the town in this 4, and it's actually quite a high possibility(!) but I haven't seen the things comparatively that the other players above have given to cross you off the list. Which is crazy considering koshi and slam are in it.
Vivax's posts are boring, he also has no proper engagement. Sandro similarly, more concerned with trying to look ok than solve the game. Chezinu is whatever, religious nonsense.
Do you remember why you put DMB so high?
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On December 13 2023 00:08 Holyflare wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2023 23:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like he himself appeared to be suspicious of sandroba at that point, but for some reason he votes for me when my post that is most solving in the game is questioning the player he is suspicious of. Your question was bad. Even if I had read it, acknowledged it and mentioned it I still would have given the same reasons to vote for you. You didn't seem to care about any of it and you were just giving reads I didn't think you would give. It's that simple. Get over it. If you want 2 names, I've given sandro and chez (and highlighted a post where chez breaks character that you should look at) but I can't really give you more than that other than I'm going to investigate trfel when I have some free time. I think you look better purely from Sandro's filter. I think dmb, marv, possibly dp, slam all look better from their actions in the night surrounding the vivax lynch. I think Koshi is a bit misguided but I don't think it's in a bad way, he's actively trying to shut down avenues for wagons. Although his last one he tried to shut down was sandroba which I probably need to get in to but I don't think it was done in an agenda-y way. He also raised the point (and was seemingly the only one to acknowledge at the time) my point about chezinu, which seems like good stuff. Palmar is similar to koshi imo. I don't think his agenda has been malicious and I don't think he's pushing things to get the thread to go after mafia. Starting to highlight me for lack of activity is the proper play here as a townie and I think it's more than just going through the motions in that regard. If I had to make an order it would be: Sandro => Chez => Trfel => You => DP => DMB
How did DMB look better in the night before the lynch? She was not a prominent figure there.
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On December 13 2023 18:08 Koshi wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2023 00:08 Holyflare wrote:On December 12 2023 23:45 raynpelikoneet wrote:
Like he himself appeared to be suspicious of sandroba at that point, but for some reason he votes for me when my post that is most solving in the game is questioning the player he is suspicious of. Your question was bad. Even if I had read it, acknowledged it and mentioned it I still would have given the same reasons to vote for you. You didn't seem to care about any of it and you were just giving reads I didn't think you would give. It's that simple. Get over it. If you want 2 names, I've given sandro and chez (and highlighted a post where chez breaks character that you should look at) but I can't really give you more than that other than I'm going to investigate trfel when I have some free time. I think you look better purely from Sandro's filter. I think dmb, marv, possibly dp, slam all look better from their actions in the night surrounding the vivax lynch. I think Koshi is a bit misguided but I don't think it's in a bad way, he's actively trying to shut down avenues for wagons. Although his last one he tried to shut down was sandroba which I probably need to get in to but I don't think it was done in an agenda-y way. He also raised the point (and was seemingly the only one to acknowledge at the time) my point about chezinu, which seems like good stuff. Palmar is similar to koshi imo. I don't think his agenda has been malicious and I don't think he's pushing things to get the thread to go after mafia. Starting to highlight me for lack of activity is the proper play here as a townie and I think it's more than just going through the motions in that regard. If I had to make an order it would be: Sandro => Chez => Trfel => You => DP => DMB How did DMB look better in the night before the lynch? She was not a prominent figure there.
I have no idea who DMB is or how they play so I only have this game to go on. There's a bunch of associative speculation that they probably weren't bussing sandro and if I had to look more specifically at just their play there's some good posts distrusting Palmar's reasoning for voting vivax and calling him out that I liked. Also defending vivax:
On December 12 2023 11:39 die_meatbaby wrote:
Fuck i don´t have a good feeling on lynch V right now. This looks so Townie just trying to not get killed. Fells like impulsive posts from emotions to keep playing.
when the votes weren't even close to saving him
On December 12 2023 11:17 Grackaroni wrote:
Day One Vote Count
Vivax (9): Palmar, DarthPunk, die_meatbaby, Trfel, sandroba, Holyflare, Alakaslam, Koshi, sandroba, DarthPunk, Chezinu
sandroba (2): Vivax, marvellosity, Vivax
Holyflare (1): raynpelikoneet
marvellosity (0): Koshi, DarthPunk, sandroba
Palmar (0): Vivax
Koshi (0): Holyflare, DarthPunk
raynpelikoneet (0): Holyflare, Vivax
Trfel (0): DarthPunk, DarthPunk, Alakaslam, DarthPunk
With 9 votes, Vivax is currently set to be lynched!
The deadline is Tuesday, Dec 12 3:00am GMT (GMT+00:00), which is in
Not sure if they were the first to say this I can't remember but it certainly started off the train of moving votes and people being more open to swap. You could argue that Vivax was starting to become quite obvious at that point but I think DMB could just shut up if that were the case and sandro was mafia.
This is also partly why I think sandro is just mafia too. There's a whole counter wagon on them that spawned to save a townie and they have put 0 thought into it or said anything about it afaik.
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On December 12 2023 18:47 marvellosity wrote:
Palmar
DP
DMB
Koshi
Rayn
Trfel
Hf
Slam
Chez
Sandro
More of a personal organisation muse.
I can’t see Palmar as mafia atm. I might be wrong (I always equivocate because I’ve been scared for like 10years of finally being fooled by him). He makes smart observations, sees the game from a townie perspective, and he makes me laugh a lot. Classic town Palmar to me.
DMB too high on my list here. Really lazy but without knowing sandro’s alignment for sure this is a lot harder. I don’t disagree with Palmar’s original observation, and she was at least present and interested in d1 lynch. She really did not have to be. So I find it hard to consider her today.
Koshi I’ve been doubting in night phase, I think some stuff feels a little weird, but I’m confirmation biasing it because I’m nervous about who is fooling me. Somehow I’ve fallen off this suspicion a bit and I don’t even know why.
Rayn is crazy but I can follow his crazy, I think he’s playing an incredible game if he’s mafia, I’m struggling to see it.
So for now I’m left with sandro/Chez/slam/hf/Trfel. Means I have to be right on 2/3 sand/hf/trfel else I’m weakly defaulting to two of the more unreadable players being mafia. Tbh with Hf I can follow his thought processes too, I just think he’s more capable of producing that as mafia than any of the players mentioned above
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I'll try harder today so you don't have to think about me. At least I speculatively want to at least lol.
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On December 13 2023 19:01 Holyflare wrote:
I'll try harder today so you don't have to think about me. At least I speculatively want to at least lol.
It’s your punishment for being such a dumb strong mafia player I’m afraid
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On December 13 2023 07:28 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 05:06 Holyflare wrote:On December 11 2023 04:49 Trfel wrote:On December 11 2023 04:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am gonna take a little break. My feet have been cold for like 3 days because of shitty socks, and i just want to go to sauna now that i can. Will be back in an hour.
If anyone would like to have an opinion on Holyflare, and especially on what i said on him, i would appreciate. To be honest I think you are nitpicking a bit. Even if we say you are right and Holyflare isn't, I'm not sure what that demonstrates. It means he messed up in reading the thread maybe, I don't think it makes him mafia. I think that the overall picture of Holyflare's play is much more important.Holyflare, thoughts on DarthPunk? I get that it's night in Australia but he still feels a bit off to me. I don't like his attack on you and I think Palmar perhaps persuaded him off from tunelling you further but he tried to play it off like he came up with that idea himself to appear like he was being reasonable and then said you could be mafia anyway. He also said you weren't inquisitive about finding out information from people, while literally trying to take up all of your time with little questions thus giving you not much time to do that.I don't know what to think of that though because I'm historically bad at reading DP. Not sure I could make a gut read on it but somewhere middle of the pack, possibility of being townie but not outright surprised if mafia. See what he does next given time. Have you made a list post summing up what your current reads are? This exchange feels a bit off to me. The Trfel soft defense of HF, throwing the question to HF about DP and HF's response all sound a bit forced to me. It just looks like they give each other an undue amount of charitability. This feels like mafia on mafia to me.
Can town give their thoughts on this post please?
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On December 10 2023 17:14 DarthPunk wrote:Hey guys, just got back from watching my nieces (they are obsessed with Bluey if anyone knows that show) but have been following along the thread while I was away. Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 12:03 Alakaslam wrote:
Why aren't y'all instant and hanging on every second like my phoneposting ass? I liked Slams entry, seemed keen to be playing, I think slam probably could do that as mafia, but I think his alignment will work itself out along the lines of his engagement levels so wouldn't want to lynch him today. Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 12:03 Trfel wrote:Hi everyone, hope you have been well  Excited for the 12 player game. Increases my chance of finding mafia to 27.2%, higher than my normal 25% average! Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 12:10 Trfel wrote:
Also I should add, I could be wrong, but this seems like a heavy-EU player base in a game where the deadline is late at night for EU. So it's probably going to be important to be more organized and not rely on deadline shenanigans since people (hopefully) won't be around Unless there is some other solution to the Grackaroni deadline that people have discovered in my 3-year-plus absence. Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 12:40 Trfel wrote:
How are you doing, Alakaslam? Anyone else around?
I do find it interesting that there is a mason mechanic this game. Not sure if there is any way to realistically use that to our advantage, but I guess it probably doesn't hurt? As a rule, I tend to associate entry to threads like this with mafia play (setup speculation particularly). Admittedly, it could be a case of a returning player trying to feel his way back into the thread, but the BS detector was going off big time. Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 12:49 sandroba wrote:
Hi everyone, excited to be playing a game after being away from Mafia for so long! I believe I have some familiarity with most if not all players on the list, although I might be very outdated in accessing their meta.
So far we have Alakaslam who I feel is posting within what I expected, not leaning one way or the other based on his initial posts. I like the poking about smiles being sus, but at the same time, it's phrased as a question so there is a bit of avoidance in there as well. Again, not very telling.
For Trfel, some might say I'm nit-picking, but I don't like the self-demeaning tone about his performance right out of the gate. Also, some generic advice and deadlines which sounds like trying to say something just to fit in. This could be understandable because we are mostly trying to generate some content at this point and get the discussion going, but this advice at this point so far away from the deadline doesn't do us much good at face value or as a conversation starter. Leaning suspicious from what I've seen so far. The last paragraph of this post reflected my viewpoint at that point in the thread, I don't really like the slam stuff. Meh. Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 13:25 Trfel wrote:On December 10 2023 12:49 sandroba wrote:
Hi everyone, excited to be playing a game after being away from Mafia for so long! I believe I have some familiarity with most if not all players on the list, although I might be very outdated in accessing their meta.
So far we have Alakaslam who I feel is posting within what I expected, not leaning one way or the other based on his initial posts. I like the poking about smiles being sus, but at the same time, it's phrased as a question so there is a bit of avoidance in there as well. Again, not very telling.
For Trfel, some might say I'm nit-picking, but I don't like the self-demeaning tone about his performance right out of the gate. Also, some generic advice and deadlines which sounds like trying to say something just to fit in. This could be understandable because we are mostly trying to generate some content at this point and get the discussion going, but this advice at this point so far away from the deadline doesn't do us much good at face value or as a conversation starter. Leaning suspicious from what I've seen so far. I guess instead of waiting I'll let the cat out of the bag, I'm impatient. This post seems very wishy-washy, non-committal, and pointless. The first paragraph doesn't really say anything of substance (not that it's wrong per se, just doesn't really contribute anything meaningful to the game). The second paragraph is the same way. To me, he seems to end with exactly no read (and next to no thoughts) on Alakaslam. There's even "I like the poking about smiles, but it's phrased as a question so there is avoidance as well" which seems like aggressive-but-with-a-heavy-grain-of-salt that is easy to say without actually committing to it. "Posting within what I expected" and "not leaning one way or the other based on initial posts" doesn't end up meaning much at all. The other thing I want to note is all of the caveats and grain of salts and backtracking in sandroba's post. Not exactly sure how to phrase what I mean, but see here, in red: On December 10 2023 12:49 sandroba wrote:
So far we have Alakaslam who I feel is posting within what I expected, not leaning one way or the other based on his initial posts. I like the poking about smiles being sus, but at the same time, it's phrased as a question so there is a bit of avoidance in there as well. Again, not very telling.
For Trfel, some might say I'm nit-picking, but I don't like the self-demeaning tone about his performance right out of the gate. Also, some generic advice and deadlines which sounds like trying to say something just to fit in. This could be understandable because we are mostly trying to generate some content at this point and get the discussion going, but this advice at this point so far away from the deadline doesn't do us much good at face value or as a conversation starter. Leaning suspicious from what I've seen so far. He's shying away from saying something, like making a read and then backing off from it. Or giving a reason to doubt what he just said, or placing a limiter on it. For such a small post, it's riddled with it. To me, this comes across as trying to be non-committal and playing the "safe game" while making it look like you are saying things and trying to figure things out. The level 1 analysis of this is that a player is being aggressive early, not afraid to post and that would be good for Trfel. My initial feelings reading the post was that it felt forced, with a lot of generic statements to try and make Sandroba's post seeem worse than it was. I disagree that at the point of the game in which we are right now, that everything said needs to progress the game in a meaningful way. Sure, I would like that to be the case, but I also don't think that someone being non-committal is alignment indicative, in fact, someone being strongly committed early tends to make me lean mafia more than town, Town are trying to figure shit out at the start and are more curious than committed.
Like what if I’m wrong about sandro and this post is just totally correct?
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In the world where sandro is town I have been on his ass all game based on his first post (and yes I have given other reasons which I am going to reevaluate). Of course sandro is pissed off at me here and if I’m town-sandro in that spot I am finding ‘me’ suspicious too.
So I am going to reread sandro today with the filter that his first post isn’t just mafia and see where it gets me.
In my mind though, I think he makes some odd posts about Trfel, it doesn’t feel natural. But that may be confirmation bias I’ve had.
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On December 13 2023 19:18 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 13 2023 07:28 sandroba wrote:On December 11 2023 05:06 Holyflare wrote:On December 11 2023 04:49 Trfel wrote:On December 11 2023 04:42 raynpelikoneet wrote:
I am gonna take a little break. My feet have been cold for like 3 days because of shitty socks, and i just want to go to sauna now that i can. Will be back in an hour.
If anyone would like to have an opinion on Holyflare, and especially on what i said on him, i would appreciate. To be honest I think you are nitpicking a bit. Even if we say you are right and Holyflare isn't, I'm not sure what that demonstrates. It means he messed up in reading the thread maybe, I don't think it makes him mafia. I think that the overall picture of Holyflare's play is much more important.Holyflare, thoughts on DarthPunk? I get that it's night in Australia but he still feels a bit off to me. I don't like his attack on you and I think Palmar perhaps persuaded him off from tunelling you further but he tried to play it off like he came up with that idea himself to appear like he was being reasonable and then said you could be mafia anyway. He also said you weren't inquisitive about finding out information from people, while literally trying to take up all of your time with little questions thus giving you not much time to do that.I don't know what to think of that though because I'm historically bad at reading DP. Not sure I could make a gut read on it but somewhere middle of the pack, possibility of being townie but not outright surprised if mafia. See what he does next given time. Have you made a list post summing up what your current reads are? This exchange feels a bit off to me. The Trfel soft defense of HF, throwing the question to HF about DP and HF's response all sound a bit forced to me. It just looks like they give each other an undue amount of charitability. This feels like mafia on mafia to me. Can town give their thoughts on this post please?
Biased but it feels a bit like TMI to me rather than mafia on mafia. You can see the wording. "messed up in reading the thread maybe" and "I don't think it makes him mafia" are key words that people use to defend people when they know their actions are honest rather than phrasing mafia makes to defend a partner who fucked up something.
And it felt a bit like sandro was setting me up to look bad if trfel does flip mafia because I don't think there's a lot of thought here.
I don't understand how he reaches the point where I sound a bit forced and offer charitability when it should be quite simple to see where I'm coming from here at least. If I agreed with Trfel's attack on Sandroba and I didn't like DP's tunnel of Trfel, what other response would Sandroba be expecting here from a town me?
I also think it completely ignores the Palmar point, which I think was a big factor for the rest of that paragraph. I can elaborate on that more but it seemed apparent to me that (going off memory here so hazy) that Palmar either called out DP on his Trfel push or said trfel was looking better or something and DP backed off and tried to play that off as his own original thought imo. Well, at least it seemed like that at the time. Not sure why I should be less charitable to someone defending me and asking me a question.
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On December 13 2023 19:20 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 10 2023 17:14 DarthPunk wrote:Hey guys, just got back from watching my nieces (they are obsessed with Bluey if anyone knows that show) but have been following along the thread while I was away. On December 10 2023 12:03 Alakaslam wrote:
Why aren't y'all instant and hanging on every second like my phoneposting ass? I liked Slams entry, seemed keen to be playing, I think slam probably could do that as mafia, but I think his alignment will work itself out along the lines of his engagement levels so wouldn't want to lynch him today. On December 10 2023 12:03 Trfel wrote:Hi everyone, hope you have been well Excited for the 12 player game. Increases my chance of finding mafia to 27.2%, higher than my normal 25% average! On December 10 2023 12:10 Trfel wrote:
Also I should add, I could be wrong, but this seems like a heavy-EU player base in a game where the deadline is late at night for EU. So it's probably going to be important to be more organized and not rely on deadline shenanigans since people (hopefully) won't be around Unless there is some other solution to the Grackaroni deadline that people have discovered in my 3-year-plus absence. On December 10 2023 12:40 Trfel wrote:
How are you doing, Alakaslam? Anyone else around?
I do find it interesting that there is a mason mechanic this game. Not sure if there is any way to realistically use that to our advantage, but I guess it probably doesn't hurt? As a rule, I tend to associate entry to threads like this with mafia play (setup speculation particularly). Admittedly, it could be a case of a returning player trying to feel his way back into the thread, but the BS detector was going off big time. On December 10 2023 12:49 sandroba wrote:
Hi everyone, excited to be playing a game after being away from Mafia for so long! I believe I have some familiarity with most if not all players on the list, although I might be very outdated in accessing their meta.
So far we have Alakaslam who I feel is posting within what I expected, not leaning one way or the other based on his initial posts. I like the poking about smiles being sus, but at the same time, it's phrased as a question so there is a bit of avoidance in there as well. Again, not very telling.
For Trfel, some might say I'm nit-picking, but I don't like the self-demeaning tone about his performance right out of the gate. Also, some generic advice and deadlines which sounds like trying to say something just to fit in. This could be understandable because we are mostly trying to generate some content at this point and get the discussion going, but this advice at this point so far away from the deadline doesn't do us much good at face value or as a conversation starter. Leaning suspicious from what I've seen so far. The last paragraph of this post reflected my viewpoint at that point in the thread, I don't really like the slam stuff. Meh. On December 10 2023 13:25 Trfel wrote:On December 10 2023 12:49 sandroba wrote:
Hi everyone, excited to be playing a game after being away from Mafia for so long! I believe I have some familiarity with most if not all players on the list, although I might be very outdated in accessing their meta.
So far we have Alakaslam who I feel is posting within what I expected, not leaning one way or the other based on his initial posts. I like the poking about smiles being sus, but at the same time, it's phrased as a question so there is a bit of avoidance in there as well. Again, not very telling.
For Trfel, some might say I'm nit-picking, but I don't like the self-demeaning tone about his performance right out of the gate. Also, some generic advice and deadlines which sounds like trying to say something just to fit in. This could be understandable because we are mostly trying to generate some content at this point and get the discussion going, but this advice at this point so far away from the deadline doesn't do us much good at face value or as a conversation starter. Leaning suspicious from what I've seen so far. I guess instead of waiting I'll let the cat out of the bag, I'm impatient. This post seems very wishy-washy, non-committal, and pointless. The first paragraph doesn't really say anything of substance (not that it's wrong per se, just doesn't really contribute anything meaningful to the game). The second paragraph is the same way. To me, he seems to end with exactly no read (and next to no thoughts) on Alakaslam. There's even "I like the poking about smiles, but it's phrased as a question so there is avoidance as well" which seems like aggressive-but-with-a-heavy-grain-of-salt that is easy to say without actually committing to it. "Posting within what I expected" and "not leaning one way or the other based on initial posts" doesn't end up meaning much at all. The other thing I want to note is all of the caveats and grain of salts and backtracking in sandroba's post. Not exactly sure how to phrase what I mean, but see here, in red: On December 10 2023 12:49 sandroba wrote:
So far we have Alakaslam who I feel is posting within what I expected, not leaning one way or the other based on his initial posts. I like the poking about smiles being sus, but at the same time, it's phrased as a question so there is a bit of avoidance in there as well. Again, not very telling.
For Trfel, some might say I'm nit-picking, but I don't like the self-demeaning tone about his performance right out of the gate. Also, some generic advice and deadlines which sounds like trying to say something just to fit in. This could be understandable because we are mostly trying to generate some content at this point and get the discussion going, but this advice at this point so far away from the deadline doesn't do us much good at face value or as a conversation starter. Leaning suspicious from what I've seen so far. He's shying away from saying something, like making a read and then backing off from it. Or giving a reason to doubt what he just said, or placing a limiter on it. For such a small post, it's riddled with it. To me, this comes across as trying to be non-committal and playing the "safe game" while making it look like you are saying things and trying to figure things out. The level 1 analysis of this is that a player is being aggressive early, not afraid to post and that would be good for Trfel. My initial feelings reading the post was that it felt forced, with a lot of generic statements to try and make Sandroba's post seeem worse than it was. I disagree that at the point of the game in which we are right now, that everything said needs to progress the game in a meaningful way. Sure, I would like that to be the case, but I also don't think that someone being non-committal is alignment indicative, in fact, someone being strongly committed early tends to make me lean mafia more than town, Town are trying to figure shit out at the start and are more curious than committed. Like what if I’m wrong about sandro and this post is just totally correct?
Or maybe this post is totally right and I am also right about sandro
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On December 13 2023 17:30 Koshi wrote:DMB is mafia. 1) She is flying under the radar. 2) I think she voted Vivax because he is a threat to her. And because Vivax posted a good list. Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 11:16 die_meatbaby wrote:On December 11 2023 11:07 Vivax wrote:On December 11 2023 10:56 DarthPunk wrote:On December 11 2023 10:54 Vivax wrote:On December 11 2023 10:50 DarthPunk wrote:On December 11 2023 10:44 Vivax wrote:
I'm not sure that Palmar's is a genuine effort to read me over some egotistical push. I think you are failing your own town litmus test. Where you are usually more engaged as town. Should have done enough to display my current thoughts. I'm hoping for wagons and vote accordingly. You haven't though. I can tell you who isn't in the clear for me: And that's a majority but I can't do much about it with my current degree of certainty. You, marv, dmb, Chez, Palmar, HF. Sandro, Trfel. I'm wondering if I should bury my sandro + Trfel approach and just assume it's two townies starting the game off like that. ##Unvote Okey what kind of wagon are you trying to build here. Like i really really try to see it but now you making my opinion on you even worse #vote vivax 3) Last one to move from Vivax to Sandroba. Even though she was moving with thread sentiment to a more Vivax is not mafia 30 mins prior. 4) Dont think she made 1 good post so far. Very bad of Palmar to make her so townie after that 1 "independent research" Vivax vote. Because really... That isn't that good at all. Anyway. Start putting her in your PoE people. ##Vote Sandroba(Last game I was mafai and I made a case on somebody and voted somebody else)
So In your world, mafia DMB rolled the dice and tied up the votes, where another vote kills sandro, who you think is mafia?
I don’t understand why DMB chooses d1 lynch time to be most active if she is mafia, it’s just asking for trouble
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On December 12 2023 07:23 sandroba wrote:
I feel like rayn, you and koshi are town.
Lean town on slam, palmar (move to town if vivax is scum)
Neutral on hf, chezinu, dmb
I lean scum on vivax, marv, conflicted on trfel.
This is pre sandro re-read. I don't think anything on this list changed at all other than somehow adding even more people to it.
@Sandroba what is your list now?
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On December 13 2023 07:37 sandroba wrote:
As much as I mirrored Koshi's reads in the beginning, he has been skirting by while not doing much of anything.
We all know for a fact that yesterday lynch was on a townie and the other viable option (me) I know was town too. Mafia had no reason to stick out their necks and do something to sway the lynch.
That makes it more likely that mafia is hiding in the likes of Koshi and Chezinu.
Chezinu's presence and engagement in particular has been a lot lower than other times I played with him and he was town. Normally he will try to interact with people and make weird accusation posts trying to get his point across.
Does the deadline time not factor in to this read? I don't see how you go from loving koshi enough to have him as a town read to it simply being eroded by 1 night. If you agreed with his vivax read and he's one of the OG people to have that read then how do you justify this?
On December 13 2023 07:42 sandroba wrote:
dmb also looks bad
I don't like this. Your mafia list is now over half the game and you aren't trying to clear town reads. Nobody new got added to your town read list and instead your mafia list just grew here:
On December 13 2023 11:56 sandroba wrote:
I think mafia is within HF Trfel Chez Marv Koshi DMB. Would leave the last 3 for last maybe?
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On December 10 2023 21:28 Trfel wrote:Wait, what? I'm gonna need you to explain this one as well.
Does Trfel not feel like his (presumably townie) explanation for his play should be good enough for DP to unvote?
What’s the mindset here?
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