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On December 12 2023 02:57 sandroba wrote: Or maybe I just suck while thinking I'm onto something and expecting you feel the same but actually you are just right and good while I'm bad? A harder pill to swallow but I guess could be true 🙄 lol
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On December 12 2023 03:13 sandroba wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2023 03:06 marvellosity wrote:On December 12 2023 02:55 sandroba wrote: Nah, I don't buy that you think that. Either tmi or agenda sounds more reasonable Are you nuts? You haven’t explained in any way how the post you quoted was different from the rest of Trfel’s filter…?! I don't think I need to explain, I think the post and filter speak from themselves Well, it would be nice if you’d explain for yourself
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On December 12 2023 03:26 Koshi wrote: ##unvote ##vote Vivax The vote on palmar kinda did it for me. Claiming that was tje first vote on mafia. Just silly and mafia Vivax is silly balls to the wall.
Before that realisation I took a better look at DMB. Because 14 > 15 but doesnt make it impossible. I was still not convinced.
So Palmar can read DMB town and I will read sandroba town. Maybe we can talk about that tomorrow. Yeah I agree with this
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On December 12 2023 03:47 Koshi wrote: Btw marv. I am 100% mafia on you but in case you are not.
Is it not funny how Vivax pleaded and cursed at almost the entire playerbase in this last flurry of post but didnt mention you once.
But imagine you are both town. Town!vivax not mentioning a town!marv in his tirade.
At least I got a shoutout and I am actively lurking this game. 100% is a lot of percent
Is this why you’re town on sandro?
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On December 12 2023 06:02 DarthPunk wrote: Wtf is chez doing btw Agree, less… something than previous games. Dunno what.
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Was hoping to come home to more than 5 posts tbh, bit dull.
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On December 12 2023 06:47 DarthPunk wrote: ##unvote:
Marv has done better since my case, and it doesn't have any traction regardless. But please don't let marv be lazy later on.
I have? Do tell.
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On December 12 2023 06:49 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2023 06:47 marvellosity wrote: Was hoping to come home to more than 5 posts tbh, bit dull. I like this marv. What do you think of Vivax at this juncture, there are things that he has said that made me think he claimed scum, and also things that stand out to me as kind of aligning with the resentment of being town on an inevitable march towards oblivion. Also if you removed your expectations of Sandro, does that change your read on him at all. I think of Vivax almost exactly what you just said. Tbh I don’t think it’s 100% but I don’t think the lynch is changing at this point. I know I said I’d consolidate, but tbh I won’t, if there are shenannies anywhere I wouldn’t mind them on sandro. Of course that also leaves shenannies open on me, but that’s a fun dice roll.
I don’t know how to remove my expectations of sandro. I go back to his first post, and he waffles hilariously on Slam, and it’s all just so bland. All his posts since have been mostly fine, he’s an astute person so he can make decent sounding posts. I don’t see any drive to solve the game, I really don’t know what he was doing with Trfel, I don’t understand his read progression on him generally.
I dunno, feels like he’s ‘analysing’ things but without any endpoint. Which (my expectations or not) I don’t think is very townie.
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On December 12 2023 06:51 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2023 06:50 Palmar wrote:On December 12 2023 06:47 DarthPunk wrote: ##unvote:
Marv has done better since my case, and it doesn't have any traction regardless. But please don't let marv be lazy later on.
It was a good case, almost as good as my oneliner. No need to feel discouraged. I'm not, I didn't think it was good enough to actually get him lynched day one  The problem is you’re not right enough, not that you’re not good enough. xx
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On December 12 2023 06:56 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2023 06:46 marvellosity wrote:On December 12 2023 06:02 DarthPunk wrote: Wtf is chez doing btw Agree, less… something than previous games. Dunno what. I mean in the other games he actually posted reads day one. I have found him to be generally readable and contributory in every game. This game he hasn't done anything, I couldn't tell you one position he holds. Yes
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On December 12 2023 06:57 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2023 06:47 marvellosity wrote:On December 12 2023 06:47 DarthPunk wrote: ##unvote:
Marv has done better since my case, and it doesn't have any traction regardless. But please don't let marv be lazy later on.
I have? Do tell. You need some affirmation? just seemed more engaged, and said some smart things. That's all I really want from you at this point. Just to be clear, I am not calling you town  No, I want to see if I agree with your reasons or not. Unsurprisingly I don’t need affirmation of my alignment
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On December 12 2023 07:05 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2023 06:56 marvellosity wrote:On December 12 2023 06:49 DarthPunk wrote:On December 12 2023 06:47 marvellosity wrote: Was hoping to come home to more than 5 posts tbh, bit dull. I like this marv. What do you think of Vivax at this juncture, there are things that he has said that made me think he claimed scum, and also things that stand out to me as kind of aligning with the resentment of being town on an inevitable march towards oblivion. Also if you removed your expectations of Sandro, does that change your read on him at all. I think of Vivax almost exactly what you just said. Tbh I don’t think it’s 100% but I don’t think the lynch is changing at this point. I know I said I’d consolidate, but tbh I won’t, if there are shenannies anywhere I wouldn’t mind them on sandro. Of course that also leaves shenannies open on me, but that’s a fun dice roll. I don’t know how to remove my expectations of sandro. I go back to his first post, and he waffles hilariously on Slam, and it’s all just so bland. All his posts since have been mostly fine, he’s an astute person so he can make decent sounding posts. I don’t see any drive to solve the game, I really don’t know what he was doing with Trfel, I don’t understand his read progression on him generally. I dunno, feels like he’s ‘analysing’ things but without any endpoint. Which (my expectations or not) I don’t think is very townie. I had zero expectations of Sandro or Trfel (can't really remember playing with them) I think sandro doesn't look great, but he has also been on the back foot since his first post in the game. I also don't think he has done anything that clearly makes him mafia. I think it might be valuable to give him some space and let him kind of feel his way back into things. You know my theory on shenanigans, they are good for the soul. But if vivax leaves things as they are I am fine with him dying. If he started trying to make sense I would perhaps entertain something. We’ll, there’s very few people who do something that clearly makes them mafia d1. That’s not the burden of proof here.
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And tbh, it’s not like I’ve been hounding him so all he’s had to do is defend himself.
Quite the opposite, he moaned I wasn’t engaging with him. He’s had his space
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On December 12 2023 07:09 DarthPunk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2023 02:57 sandroba wrote: Or maybe I just suck while thinking I'm onto something and expecting you feel the same but actually you are just right and good while I'm bad? A harder pill to swallow but I guess could be true Like I kind of felt this was genuine. Felt too submissive to me
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I mean you could absolutely be right DP, I just don’t think you are.
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On December 12 2023 07:14 sandroba wrote: @marv waffling on slam is the whole reason you think I'm suspicious? At that point in the thread, we only had very few posts and I did the best with what I had to get some alignment discussion going, while trying to be transparent with my thought process. Even after this whole day I would probably waffle on Slam if I'm being honest as I find him and chezinu pretty much wild cards. Just seems like a low-effort crutch what you are doing to justify your position on me. You know I said stuff that wasn’t just that first post right?
Saying it’s the whole reason is clearly disingenuous
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On December 12 2023 07:22 marvellosity wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2023 07:14 sandroba wrote: @marv waffling on slam is the whole reason you think I'm suspicious? At that point in the thread, we only had very few posts and I did the best with what I had to get some alignment discussion going, while trying to be transparent with my thought process. Even after this whole day I would probably waffle on Slam if I'm being honest as I find him and chezinu pretty much wild cards. Just seems like a low-effort crutch what you are doing to justify your position on me. You know I said stuff that wasn’t just that first post right? Saying it’s the whole reason is clearly disingenuous Just want to repeat this. sandro trying to reduce what I’ve said so he can attack that aspect of it in isolation.
Anyway, let’s hope the flip goes okay.
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Should’ve gone with my lynch, eh boys?
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On December 12 2023 10:31 die_meatbaby wrote:palmar is simply trying to convince everyone here that they should vote for Vivax. But he is doeing it just in a strange way Show nested quote +On December 12 2023 00:45 Palmar wrote:On December 12 2023 00:44 sandroba wrote:On December 12 2023 00:32 Palmar wrote:On December 11 2023 23:52 sandroba wrote:On December 11 2023 22:47 Vivax wrote: There's nothing exonerating Sandro in his filter. It's mostly just generic reasons to call me mafia and he can't even find the text pieces to prove what he's saying. I've been far from a blend-in playstyle. This post here also shows a mafia mindset, not arguing against the substance of what I'm saying, which is that his first post he did not read the thread and tried to reach a conclusion about my alignment, but instead he followed thread sentiment and quoted I few things from my post to appear to be contributing. In the post above he dismisses it as generic and quibbles about me not finding text pieces, which is classic mafia sentiment for "you are accusing me for the wrong reasons" This btw is a genuinely very scummy post. Not because of it's context but because of the thought process behind it. Sandroba can easily just say "well Palmar looks town so I go murder train on Vivax", but instead he does "independent research" and comes to the same conclusion to justify his vote. It's forced "case". This is a scummy post if Vivax flips mafia and it's also scummy if Vivax flips town. But the good thing is that it locks in Sandroba's vote on Vivax so I don't care for now. Can only lynch one dude today. The main reason I though you looked town is that you were trying to get traction on vivax, who I thought was likely mafia - not that you were super town and because of that vivax should be mafia - that doesn't make any sense, and I wouldn't trust you without being convinced myself even if I though you were town. Sharing my reasoning there helps me clarify and reassess my thoughts, get feedback from the thread which helps my read and getting reads off others and also helps to convice other players of my desired lynch, all pro town things. The way you are trying to set this up and your reasoning is not making any sense, it feels either like pushing mafia agenda or if you had a pre conceived notion that I must be mafia, which I'm trying to get to the bottom of shush the town people are talking. Be a good boy and keep your vote on Vivax. I mean for sure right know it´s the best option to vote on him because his start in the game was so scumy, but when he rolled mafia in older games he just posts random stuff like memes, strange one liners for a laugh and didn´t really try to make wagon like he did here. Like this last posts he made, feeling like me at my second game where I got lynched as a Doctor on D1 and tried just to convince them so strong that I am town and blue. On the other side i really don´t know who else should get voted here, because nobody looks so scum as he do atm. Sandroba. It’s not a secret.
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On December 12 2023 11:16 Vivax wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 05:11 Holyflare wrote:On December 11 2023 05:07 sandroba wrote: I understand your point about feigning certainty as a strategy but fail to see how that makes me suspicious still. Are you saying that although my post had good observations and moved the game in a pro-town manner because I didn't do it like you would have done it is suspicious? Not sure I buy that completely from your perspective. Definitely not something to hinge a whole narrative on and derive reads from. Especially when your own post is full of tentative language and demonstrations of uncertainty regarding palmar's posts. I don't think you moved the game in a pro-town manner. Good observations are easy for anyone to make. A pro-town manner would have been outright saying those things and seeing how people reacted to that information and then compounding those reads and coming up with more reads. You just put out reads, second guessed yourself and left the options open. What did that achieve? I can only go on what you've posted and base things off common patterns. If you aren't mafia then post your way out of it and get me to not think it anymore, pretty simple. This is HFs post to Sandro, notable that he gives himself an out from his suspicion on his own. Also notable that Sandro didn't include a quote to figure out he was replying to HF in that post. In the room (P.18) this is a conversation happening in parallel over other folks discussing other matters. Show nested quote +On December 11 2023 05:25 raynpelikoneet wrote:On December 11 2023 05:07 sandroba wrote: I understand your point about feigning certainty as a strategy but fail to see how that makes me suspicious still. Are you saying that although my post had good observations and moved the game in a pro-town manner because I didn't do it like you would have done it is suspicious? Not sure I buy that completely from your perspective. Definitely not something to hinge a whole narrative on and derive reads from. Especially when your own post is full of tentative language and demonstrations of uncertainty regarding palmar's posts. I think you should start raising suspicions, or at least having reads, in case you're town, but then again i don't know if i need to tell you this. People suspect you, if you're town, get over it, stop defending and start producing something of substance (because people suspect you as you don't produce anything of substance -- right or wrong) Rayn also engages. Main difference: HF voices suspicion and doesn't accept the explanation, tells him to post it up. Rayn just tells him the latter. Assuming Sandro is mafia, HF is more likely to be partnered based on this interaction. HF can easily be mafia here.
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